http://www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2005/129
Stores will have it soon ;)
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http://www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2005/129
Stores will have it soon ;)
mate i know testing it expensive over there, so i propose you send me ALL Your memory modules and ill personally test each one of them and then sell.... eh send them back to you :cord:Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
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Originally Posted by bigtoe
Great news !
But warranty up to 2.8v max for BH-5 is quite low ?!
FYI: here's the PN from the product page above: OCZ4001024ELDCGE-K OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Dual Channel Gold
The warranty is for 3.0V +/- 5% = 3.15VQuote:
Originally Posted by Nanobot
My bad :doh: I read the left tree info,didn't see the small caption at the bottom.
3.0v is still low for BH-5.
Why give VX gold 3.5V ± 5% and give BH-5 only 3.0v ± 5% :confused:
Must be because of a new smaller winbond die ?
Making computer parts in the U.S.? That's just silly. Nobody does that... :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by chinkgai
Besides, if they're going to make enthusiast-grade parts, at least do it right. Nobody wants crappy BH-5.
where do i get these "Value VX"?!
and i also didn´t find any product page of them at ocz website...
omg... new PCB?
still choosing between 3200vx or 4000vx ... now i have to add 3200gold and "wonder pcb" into account.
damn
OCZ guys, how does this new "BH" ram perform at high voltage say, 3.4+? Is it still hit and miss performance like BH-5 was?
I'm guessing something that will implement their ZB chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by babyelf
I heart OCZ, when a lot of mem companies are shifting focusing on ddr2 ram, ocz is still keeping it real and recognizing the huge market the ddr1 that is here and will continue to be here for a while... And I'll def be anticipating ur new wonder pcb... :slobber:
i would like to know aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaZeR
Hi all,
I have a quick question (especially to ryan because he started this thread). I also asked this question in the new ram list thread but I couldn't get an answer.
Can you also give some expectations-estimate speeds-with volts around this ram: http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...0+Dual+Channel
Is this same as "value vx"? I believe this particular module is using UTT, however I'm not sure... Thanks for your time.
Regards
Don't forget OCZ is teh own4g3 for DDR2 as well :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by wfarid
If these guys outperform my VX for less money steam's gonna come out of my ears. :hehe:
Did I miss the MSRP of the 3200 gold?
I am not sure the top speed on the EL 3200 sorry
once again my question, are value and value vx the same and if not, where do i find the vx to buy and a productsite ... thx!
the value VX has a different part number / and is different
here you can find it here
http://www.atacom.com/program/print_...C2&USER_ID=www
I've got some of this, when I bought it, it was Hynix, but it could have changed by now. I can do 218mhz 2.5-3-3-10 with 2.8v,Quote:
Originally Posted by ooztuncer
jjcom
thanks ryan, but how do i find out which one i´m going to buy?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
what´s the special part number for vx?
i´m living in germany so i would prefer to order them here.
but i just found this here
http://www.cheeep.com/chips.php?op=m...213&SectionID=
may you have a look and thanks again for your help!!
This isnt the Value VX thread Navahoo (cool name :up: ), that thread is over here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=54168
And thats where u can also find how to identify Value VX chips. Secondly, OOZTUNCER, you can check out the "New Ram List !!!" Sticky Thread in the Xtreme Bandwith forum where in the first posts there is info on all types of ram and any future questions you have about any particular ram can be answered there by the likes of Punisher et al.
More specifically, there is Mushkin Blue Line UTT and Twinmos SP UTT at lower prices than some value ram that will be cheaper than OCZ EL 3200 however, that is why there is Value VX ;) If you're not overclocking though, thats prolly pretty good ram.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW is whats the low down with the 3200 Gold...as in when is it coming out and will it have the same rarity as the Value VX ?
Perkam
would ZB = zero bandwith? jks :DQuote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
Those are not the correct modules. I think it should be available at the link below soon, but it's in the Netherlands. Still closer than buying from the US though :)Quote:
Originally Posted by navahoo
http://www.icomputers.nl/product_det...776&SSS_ID=774
Hope this helps.
-Eric
Thanks for the reply, though this is from my first post:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
QUOTE: I also asked this question in the new ram list thread but I couldn't get an answer. QUOTE
Punisher also doesn't know, however perhaps you are correct I shouldn't ask this question here... BTW, thanks for the information jjcom...
continue...
Hey Ryan, you know when we should have more info about Zero Buffer technology and what will be the first models to be built on that tech? And will you be selling that PCB design or keep it for OCZ alone?
Thanks,
Mathieu Aucoin
I will look into it and let you know
any info on the when to expect it too?
He said he will look at it;)
lots of thank to everyone who gave me a helping hand! :thumbsup:
Looks like ZB is still in the tweaking phase , so the ETA is unknown , I know a few beta testers were working with the engineering team on it :-)
So, that's the wonder PCB you were talking about earlier?
coolQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
thanks for the info ryan
Thanks Ryan, I appreciate.... Since it is still in the tweaking phase they wont be out till around 2-3months I assume?
iddqd : The wonder PCB is ZB... Zero Buffer.... It is also known under another name that starts by P, but I dont remember.... There is a thread about it.... But they dont explain the tech for patent purpose I think....
Hey guys,
We try and move fast to stay ahead or on top of the market. This can mean that products seem to "overlap". We price our products according to the testing and basic component price. To fully test and gurantee speeds takes more time and costs more. We also try and work prices down for you. The alternative would be to keep prices high and not pass any savings on to you. We aplogize if prices fall, but such is the way of the RAM market (at least for OCZ ;)).
As you know, yields can vary with week codes and the only way to really discover this is to build and test. We also see that some chips are benefiting form "burn in". Without actually burning in each VX or BH product for a few days (resulting in a 400.00 kit of RAM) we have no idea other than our speed testing at set speeds what these individual BH and VX kits will ultimately do. We know what the kits we have burned in do, and these results vary, but do improve.
You see, nothing has changed in the 7 years that I have been overclocking. Some CPU's run faster, some motherboards clock better and some RAM does higher speeds. I don't see too many of you RMAing a good working CPU because it only does 2600mhz when it's rated fro 2000mhz. Your buddy might get 2750mhz form the same basic CPU and another might get 2500mhz. It's called "Luck of the Draw", just like playing cards.
The bottom line here, is that we really try and give you what you want. The employees at OCZ are overclockers too. We hang out in these forums and watch what you are up to and then try and give you what you need.
Have a good weekend. Don't eat too many hard boiled eggs. Ever see the movie "Cool Hand Luke"? :eek:
andy..ewww.
LoL. You shouldn't really have to explain such things, as they are prety standard issues for every company, but it IS appreciated.
OCZ goes a small step farther...letting us know what sticks to buy to burn in ourselves is great info, and not many manufacturers will offer up that kind of info.
You should seriously consider sourcing out testing tho...alot of us here have literal farms of machines..that would be easily set-up as testbeds. i guess you telling us which sticks to buy, like the value-VX, kinda gives the same result.
my home power bill is upwards of $400 a month with my machines running 24/7, so i totally understand the high costs of memory. But i hav ebeen buying sticks that consistently perform @ 2-3-2-6 up to 433mhz(217) for less than buying a set from you guys would. Not a big deal, due to the lack of support from the company i get them from, and knowing what the average cost in just power alone to test the sticks to ensure stabilty can be quite a bit, never ming having to build the system in the first place to test.
so i have a question for you OCZ guys...how large is your testing facilities, in the number of machines?
I thought that was painfully obvious? Anyway, G.Skill removed the gamble from memory overclocking. Or at least, narrowed it down to +-10MHz, which is pretty good within itself. Of course, it comes with a price, but I'm (and many others :D) are more than happy to pay it. My question stands: why can't you do the same? I can't be bothered to go RMA 10 sticks of ram to find two that overclock well.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyOCZ
By the way, you can do machine burn-in. I was looking through Mouser's catalog, and they have TSOP dip socket that's rated at 400,000 insertions and the intended use is "test and burn-in". So i'm guessing you can have a contraption that would put the chips in the socket to have them burned it. Or binned. But I'm sure you already knew that.
First, those test machines are far from performing as well as hand test...
Second.... Do you know how much background RMA G.skill did since a few months?If I were you, I wouldn`t even talk about G.skill in this thread... This is an informative thread that the staffs from OCZ did to inform US of what is better to buy by our budget...
And OCZ never had to do a single RMA? In most cases, it's user error, anyway. Like people expecting a 300MHz stable memory on a Winchester. Which doesn't always work :). They blame memory, and go through many RMA's and different brands to find out that the memory controller sucks.
RMA'ing with OCZ is a pleasure, they basically give you your choice of any memory you want, within reason of course. I've done 2 RMA's with OCZ, first was for 2x512MB PC3500 EB, I wanted 2x512MB PC4000 Gold Rev.2 and they gave it to me no problem, second time it was 2x512MB PC3700 EB, I wanted 2x512MB PC3700 Platinum TCCD and again they did it no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
Umm, the two people who posted above me were :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
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Originally Posted by skate2snow
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Originally Posted by iddqd
Yes, and we were discussing the quantity, and by no means the quality. I'm sure both OCZ and G.Skill have very nice customer service, it's just not what we were talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiJon89
I just can't help but tell everyone I see about how OCZ rox0rz my sox0rz :DQuote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
What the? I only see Kingston and G.Skill... and an OCZ PSU, althought those aren't too good for what they do. If anything, I should be displaying my OCZ pride.
Did he said he is using OCZ, no... He said he likes OCZ with some reasons... And about RMA... What you do if your RAM`s arrive and cant even do close to what it is rated, or they arrived damaged, or they died subitly... I`m sure you wont say : I will buy new ones.... You will blame it on the company... And if the company handles it well, THERE you will be happy.
I would like to persopnnaly ask you to not post if you want to post something like post 140... And if you want to put down a company, start a thread... You will see how fast it will be closed if it is irrevelant like some of your posts in this thread.
Thanks
Your post is fair comment Andy, but you guys are your own worst enemies sometimes. I mean, you don't see AMD or Intel reps posting insane overclocks of their latest CPUs here, so people expect buying a Cpu to be a crap-shoot to a degree if they plan on overclocking it.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyOCZ
When you guys have a new brand coming out you usually herald it with a thread showing insane screenies of clocks and/or bandwidth or an overclocking God will start a thread showing what they have done with your ram. Stuff like that does create a level of expectaion amongst customers, so if their memory does not overclock like they expected from your screenies they are bound to be dissapointed and want to RMA.
I'm you already know this though, lol
Can't fault your RMA process though (apart from the lack of joy I had with my booster problems, just as well I won't need it when my DFI NF4 arrives).
I am the only OCZ guy really posting screenies here , and thats not always with our new products , Just me posing my benches as I have been a member here for quite sometime and overclocking is my hobby ,
I am just proud of my OC acomplishments
:-D
Oh and buy the way ... can everyone stop arguing , the purpose of this thread is give people a fair idea what to expect from diferent OCZ speed grades ( I would glady post about any memory , but that might seem biased )
For those looking for the new BH based 2-2-2 3200 gold , its just been listed at atacom but you might wait for the price to stabilize
http://www.atacom.com/program/print_...G8&USER_ID=www
Any advice on burning these sticks? i plan on two pairs, but 2.8v is a bit high for one board.(only looking for 205fsb on that board)
I cant recomend them on boards that cant do at least 2.8 , We dont test them at the lower voltage and that Might cause issues
rgr thanks.
what do you recommend for those timings at lower volts then(underclocking a higher set is doable, if the price is right)
sorry for the q's..but...
any 1gb sticks of bh planned?
PC-3200 platnium rev 2
BH dies only comes in 32x8 , its not possible to make a 1gb module based on them , unless you want it double height or stacked.
I don't have the RAM yet (mine is coming), but if the timings were loosend to 2.5-3-2 or some such this might allow lower volts. We don't test this way, so no promises. :)
AFAIK, BH5 doesn`t really like having timings looser... At least at 260MHz I got error at 2.5-3-3 and not at 2-2-2... Possibly a bug, but I doubt...
Quote:
Originally Posted by andyOCZ
it;s the 2-2-2 that i am looking for. I can get OCZ her fairly easily(still ahv eto import, which sucks, but sometimes ya gotta do what you gotta do), but nothing tccd based, which of course would do this.
SO how do i get 2-2-2 in gb modules? i know 2-3-2 is easy to get, but i prefer the extra 15mb of bandwidth due to the lower latencies.
hey ryan.. when u've tested the 3200gold BH ones can u let us know?
How is that possible? If you wire two chips in parallel, they would still act as one chip, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
ther are a few oem's doing doubles, now.
A similar thing happened with the OCZ VX PC4000.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazC
I remember one of the reps saying that the VX PC4000 will be
speed bined somewhere above the 250 point, and it will definitly do
better than the VX PC3200. Suddenly the thread's atmosphere
starts to rock. :rolleyes: I mean everyone saying
"man then I might be able to reach 270-280!", and none of the reps
making comments for those expectations, and just keep saying that
VX PC4000 will be definitly better than PC3200 VX...
I personally had a PC3200 VX that did 260+ and think about it.
After a rep saying that the VX PC4000 will be speed bined somewhere
above the 250 point, any people would think that then the VX4000
would have good chances of reaching 260.
So people with VX PC3200 doing 260+ would sell them
and gamble for a new VX4000 with confident minds predicting that the
VX4000 would reach near atleast around 260. I was one of them, too.
But, know what? to tell the truth now, I had a chance to
test 10 VX4000s(because all of them were sold to me and my friends
here), and the results are 2 sets DOA, and only one set did over 260 with rest
doing around 250-255. Don't ask me if I did nice burnins or the mem controller
issues becasue I, or neither of my friends are not newbies to OCing.
Almost all of my friends here formally had VX PC3200 doing 260+,
so wouldn't they be upset? I bet the batches have turned out a bit bad
as time went on, which happens with a lot of computer hardwares.
Reps should have explained for people with PC3200 VXs doing over
260 should think over before selling them to go buy the new VX PC4000.
(as one of the reps made the statement later)
I don't blame OCZ for this, but there's been too many misunderstandings,
and confusions with the VX3200 and VX4000.
BTW I totally agree on the fact that overclocking is a luck of draw.
(Come on, I've had this OC hobby since 1998. Why shouldn't I know it.)
But from now on, I would appreciate it if OCZ kind of controls
people's nonsense expectations, and their marketing
prior to releasing new products. ;)
P.S
I personally own a lot of OCZ products, and love their customer service.
It's also good that there are nice reps taking care of people's problems and discussions. :)
Just hoping a little bit more out of OCZ. :)
I remember reps saying things about if you already have a good clocking set, then you shouldn't sell and buy the VX4000 thinking you'll be getting better
jjcom
The atmosphere thing and about what the reps said which I mentionedQuote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
was a while before OCZ has told us what you said jjcom. ;)
Lets just have some nice hopes for the feature. :toast:
Either way, any product that OCZ makes is pure own4g3 :)
The CS pin wouldn't be wired together, but connected to seperate selects from the DIMM slot. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
this is a foreign concept to me.
First thing i must just add that OCZ never make or made any suggestions that VX4000 would do 270 to 280 at 2-2-2, what we said is that 2-2-2 at 250 is now guaranteed where with the 3200 it was not.....you guys here were the ones who pushed the 4000 to 280fsb and then had a hard come down when it didn't do that speed.
I see this now every time we launch a new product you all expect it will do some incredible speed even if Ryan or my self try to be cautious with you and tell you just as it is.
The new BH seems to improve with burn in, both Andy and myself do NOT have it yet, as soon as we do we will quietly test then post results. Ryan beleives its a good product and thats enough to tell me it has some promise.
Also again as far as i know its 512's only, 256's may clock higher but we only sell a handfull which means we don't claw our money back on it.Things may change though, so it 256's are made we will report it here.
So to finish , please wait to see reults from our testing or results from beta testers, we will do our best to show the BH doing just what it does at what ever voltage and then you can all make your minds up.
Tony
Outside of saying that the new VX will do 250 right out of the box and pummeling people who post claims that the new memory is the messiah, there's not much they can do. Maybe they should forget about their next Booster or power supply and concentrate their resources on developing a mind control machine. It sure would make thier reps jobs easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
;)
Made some add-ins to my formal comment to express my feelings better.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
Should take a look. :)
BTW controlling expectations and whatsoever is not what I really want.
You should be able to understand how I feel after reading it.
Read through your edited version and you do express your dissapointment better and give a better picture of your personal experience. If I were in your shoes, I'm sure I'd feel the same way. I do recall a rep alluding to a little cushion on thier specifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
My UTT tale of woe is limited to some TwinMos SP (CH-5) i picked up a couple of weeks ago. It flew in over 260 on 100+ loops of memtest #5 but wasn't stable in Windows at that same speed unless I went 2-3-2 at which point it couldn't compete with my TCCD. Those 2 512mb stick are now sitting in a gaming rig doing 2-2-2-6 at 240 and 3.2v. I'll pull them out at some point to give them another try. Not much to complain about but I'm mentioning it to illustrate a point. Even though I had some great TCCD and nice Mushkin BH-5 I gave into to the hype on the UTT. Its hard not to when you're overclocking. In fact I still want to check out the Mushkin Blue at Outpost and wanted to drop $110 (they gone up since) on the 2x512 Geil 2-3-3-6 just becuase I suspected they might be Geil's take on UTT. When the Twinmos SP PC3500 is available in the U.S. I know I'll want to cue up for that as well. Even though I know I should be saving for Venice.
Okay, now I'm just rambling. I had a point when I started ... and I'm still pretty sure its one of the following:
1. OCZ is the devil. :p:
2. The risk/reward/cost formula we use on every purchase isn't perfect and given enough chances we're bound to make a bad call. Try to keep a stiff upper lip in public forums like I did when I got a CBBID 3500+. I only cried myself to sleep for a week. ;)
3. Once that Venice comes out I'll really (no this time for sure) be happy with my gaming rig. :rolleyes:
Peace.
The funny thing is I told many people in the forums, not to upgrade from 3200 VX to 4000 vx is they were getting much above 250,that is was specificaly not worth it, then mentioned it many times after that. Then I figured most people must be not getting it and I posted a thread about it
We are trying to make sure people have fair expectations ,,
Alos I must say that just about anyone getting anything crazy with VX has been getting it after some healthy burn in times
I wonder how many VX-4000 users are burning in
I wouldn't worry too much about 256's. There are plenty available on ebay and FS/FT forums. People don't seem to want them anymore, so they're really cheap too.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
And my idea (ok, I stole it from G.Skill) would fulfill those expectations. Whatever is wrong with that...?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
Sorry Ryan, but me or neither of my friends here got the VX PC4000
before any of the reps mentioning what you said above.
Actually it's because of my post before, that reps have started to tell people
not to gamble for the VX PC4000s if they have VX PC3200 doing 260+.
As I said before I don't need or never will ask for RMAs,
because the VX PC4000s surely does meet their rated specs,
and I totally understand the fact that OCing is a luck of draw.
BTW me and my buddys did burn in for a long time, and still are burning
the VX PC4000s, but the results are not nice yet.
It's just that I'd like to see some better marketing next time. :)
Cheers.
I think people are just used to OCZ mem going way over spec, no one bought their PC3200 Plat Rev.2 expecting to only get PC3200, no one bought the 3200 VX expecting only to get PC3200. If you think about it, pretty much all OCZ memory made in the Gold or Platinum line OC'ed like woah over spec, the 3500 and 3700 EB's usually hit 260+, the PC4000 Gold could easily hit 260+.I guess people just assumed that if 3200 VX does PC4000, then 4000 VX must do PC4800 :p:
That's definetly not impossible. Say, if you binned out out of a 100 chips for best performance, and then put them on one stick, you could have a stick that can do 280.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiJon89
i thought i explained why it wasnt practical to do so? :confused:
yeah, binning chips like that would take a good amount of time and prices would soar. So now we've got super fast RAM that next to no one can get. Wouldn't be good for OCZ really, since it would cost them to bin the chips, then few people would buy since it would cost a quite a bit.
jjcom
Then why is there a company that does that and is successful? Explain that.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinkgai
We're talking about BH-5 and UTT chips. I know of no company bining those chips to hit 280mhz. OCZ and Gskill have PC4800 of TCCD chips tho, if thats what your getting at.
jjcom
4400le, 4800la, 4800ff. Of course, BH-5 won't do 300MHz, but a 275MHz bin is definetly feasible, as even BH-6 can do those speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
yeah, those are TCCD, but I would wait and see. Winbond "just" came back. The BH die is coming out again so I would wait and see how things turn out.
jjcom
Not necessarily. There are plenty of old BH-5 chips still available on the market. Who knows, maybe OCZ decided to buy them up and see which are good, and which not? There aren't many "overclocking" weeks left, but you could still find some if you looked hard enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
I doubt that a good number of BH5 does 275MHz at any timings. At least, none of my BH5`s got over 276MHz no matter what timings and volts (up to 4.1...). Most were not even gaining 5-7 MHz by loosing the timings...
If we were to test each indevidual IC, then build modules with these IC's we could in theory make PC4400 2-2-2, issue is it would cost huge amounts and i bet we would only ever see 1 or 2 kits sold.
We have the BH IC's now, its called 3200gold BH and it responds well to burn in and does do 2-2-2 at a lower voltage than the VX, issue is we are not sure how high. As usual some will do real well, most will do pretty ok and a few will be disapointed.
Its real hard keeping you lot happy ;)
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Originally Posted by iddqd
jjcom and bigtoe's responses should answer your questions, right? its all about yields and i dont think you understand that ocz knows the yields far better than you or i. obviously tccd yields are better than these winbond chips or pc4400 would already be sold by ocz.
just remember....we're overclockers...and buying them at a certain speed rather than overclocking the heck out of them should be "our game" rather than it being handed to us on a silver platter by cost intensive speed binning
yes i would love to have some pc4400vx guaranteed too :banana:
They don't know yeilds in a particular week until they get the shipment. If anybody know anything about yeilds, it's Winbond. Besides, not too much CH-5 will do 275.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinkgai
I'm pretty sure they can be machine-binned. Otherwise, how can G.Skill do so much binning? It would require a huge staff working around the clock to bin each chip for ... 8 different speeds? And, of course they wouldn't be able to sell pc4400le for mere $275.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
Well there are different chances for a BH-5 to reach 265+(2-2-2)
and a TCCD module to reach 275+(2.5-3-3).
Personally I'd say, TCCD's chance to meet 275+ is way~~~
bigger than a BH-5 to reach 265+.
That's why G.Skill is able to bin their products,
and it's hard for OCZ to bin their BHs.
BTW I wonder if my previous thread regarding the VX PC4000 has
been ignored. lol
iddqd, if its as easy as you make it sound..."if they can do this, so can you!"...then people wouldnt have to go to school for business and management and all that other stuff and businesses wouldnt go out of business
The numbers I gave are just examples, I'm not a CEO or anything; they don't have to live with them. It's just an example set to convey the idea I had. Sheesh... I'm sure OCZ can decide what speeds to bin them much better than I can, since they actually have access to the chips. I'm just saying... and I'm just saying, that they should do more accurate binning, so people will know exactly what they're getting. ryanpgroovy(sorry if it wasn't you, I can't really remember) insists that it's only possible to machine-bin for 200MHz, and for anything over, you have to hand-test them... Well, I say it's possible to machine-bin for any frequency.Quote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
i just noticed in your sig that "degreelessness mode" is on
turn it off and get a degree...lol
As far as machine binning , Its not that it cant be done over 200Mhz , its that we feel it was inaccurate over 200Mhz ( though now feel we can be accurate in the 266Mhz range)
also keep in mind if we start bining everything to tightly , we will see increased complaints ( typicaly from people with rigs that arent up to par) , and since we sell such a large quanity of memory and offer such a high level of service that could potentialy clog up our service system
It is a much better strategy to offer most of our product lineups with signifcant overhead , that way , even with the worst rig people will love the product, the problem being the higher the speed bin the less overhead we can offer
woah...you can machine bin @ 266, possibly? then you can at 233 reliably, most likely. that pretty darn encouraging.
Yes and typicaly that means our lower end products end up cheaper and get faster ( than before):-)
"3200 gold BH-5 does 2-2-2 at lower voltage than VX"
these sticks will surely not disapoint :toast:
somewhere in this thread it states that the bh5 wont outrun the vxQuote:
Originally Posted by Jaco
i'd rather have better top speed than lower volts at lower speed, esp since vx is warranted up to 3.5v for life anyways :banana:
i guess this would be good for people that dont have the voltage supply
I'm using OCZ memory kits since last year.
They perform like hell on my systems giving me tight timings and high frequencies :D
I've had a pc 3200 plat LE (bh6) dual channel kit 2x256 that did 245@3.4v and currently I own a dual channel kit 2x256 pc3500 plat LE (bh5) that benches @ 270 2-2-2-5 with 3.5v on my DFI SLI-DR and a pc3200 VX dual channel kit that benches @ 272 mhz with 3.7v :slobber:
So yeah, OCZ RULES :banana: :banana: :banana:
thanks waxman
Well, I suppose that's why G.Skill started using letter designation codes in the first place. But then it kinda ran away to pc4800... :Dhaha. So you could sell the product as pc3200A, pc3200B and people with NF7-S, or a bad memory controller on their Winchester won't have any excuse to RMA, because the product is only "rated" for pc3200 anyway. But the , say pc3200B version is actually binned at 233MHz, and costs $20 more.Quote:
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If you are referring to TCCD memory, this product iis much more predictable and easier to speed bin. It also is much more forgiving in so far as speeds (IE: it typically doesn't run totally stable at 252 and fail all tests at 253mhz like some UTT does).Quote:
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The point is that with UTT you can have a stick that fails at 1mhz over test spec and another that does 15mhz over. So I suppose we could test PC4200 speeds and sell the VX as PC4200 for a stiff premium in price (and extremely limited quantities), but some would be dissapointed that it "only" does 266mhz.
I suppose we could start selling LED fans instead of memory, but I am sure even then some would be dissapointed that the fan only does 2702 RPM when it's speced at 2700. ;)
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Anytime bud :thumbsup:
OCZ guys,
Out of curiosity, what percentage of RMAs turn out to be good? Meaning, the product was good, but the user thought it was bad.
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Just kidding. OCZ get 5 times as much :slapass: even though they have great memory PSUs and customers service.