if need any updated bios , let me know!;)
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if need any updated bios , let me know!;)
The DFI doesn't support Bank interleave or it is disabled which helps bandwidth greatly. Other boards usually have this enabled. This is also the reason the DFI is able to clock much higher as when it bank interleave is disabled you have much more headroom to work with. Happenedi with the DFI NF2 offerings. 250 on the DFI was same bench speed as NF7 at much slower.
next time oyu guys bench NF4 wiht sisoftsandra watch that oyu can get really weird results via what multi you use.
on the asus sli
12x200=2400mhz=6200mb/s
13x200=2600mhz=5600mb/s
everytime It was way out of wack not sure if this is what some are seeing on sandra via the new NF4 boards.
on 939 the bandwidth is directly related to cpu speed as well as mem speedQuote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
I have a X800Xt here, 500/500 stock clocks. I never put it on cooling yet. Just got done with mods and I'll be playing tonight. I'll see what I can do at 3.4G on the FX and 1.7V with this NEO4 for now. I can tell you at 264x13 I'm already getting 233 in Lobby High with card at 520/560.Quote:
Originally Posted by Overklokk
Bigtoe
Sorry about off topic. Thats my last post. I'll let you get on with your DFI thread:D
OPP
no 12x200 is faster than 13x200 in sandra ;) I know what it "SHOULD BE"Quote:
12x200=2400mhz=6200mb/s
13x200=2600mhz=5600mb/s
everytime It was way out of wack not sure if this is what some are seeing on sandra via the new NF4 boards.
on 939 the bandwidth is directly related to cpu speed as well as mem speed
I have the bios files m8...they have issue though...ask Oskar as he has been working with Wesley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
This board it seems is tuned pretty much for TCCD which i feel is bad. Many will want to use modules they already have from previous builds. Im sure we will see a few more bios builds during the next 2 weeks.
Its also CPU dependant, my 3800+ gives higher bandwidth than the FX53 i have. I also know the FX55 gives even higher reported bandwidth so its all down to memory controllers.Quote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
DFI has memory interleaving option completely off, EPOX has it on 2 like many manufacturers. Could u please email Oskar and ask him include a memory interleaving option (disable, 2 and 4) in final debut BIOS?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
thank you. :toast:
Bigtoe, I was wondering if you have PDP/Patriot TCCD Rams to test with? I bought 2 Dimms not too long ago and it would be great if the board works well with the RAM that I got.
He already said he can only test with OCZ RAMQuote:
Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider
i wonder why dfi never use bank interleave? they said it doesnt do anything when we asked them
Weren't your results with BH-5 pretty good as well? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Obviously, the A64Tweaker cannot change that?Quote:
Originally Posted by enduracell
My old Winchester 3200+ gave me about 700MB/s more than my FX55 with the same config and mobo. See it here.Quote:
Its also CPU dependant, my 3800+ gives higher bandwidth than the FX53 i have. I also know the FX55 gives even higher reported bandwidth so its all down to memory controllers.
any news on what to expect with OCZ pc4200EL then (2*512mb) ??Quote:
Originally Posted by wicktron
I don't have any 4200EL Platinum here to test although my 3200Plat rev2 does do similar speeds. My hynix based 4200EL is not so hot which is weird as it does 300 or so on other 939 boards i have tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by [G.N.U.]Fragman
Tony, I may have missed it, but how does the LT multiplier scale with the HTT. You said if set at 5X it started to scale down as you increased the HTT. Can you explain what exactly you were seeing and where? Thanks.
Also what was the "sweet spot" for your newer tccd sticks voltage wise.
Same.Quote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
So there is Bank Interleaving issues :(
Can somebody confirm this?
already ordered the sli-DR and a 3200+ winny and a little leadtek gf6800GT pci-e...so soon i will ask you guys about all the new things :)
:D O.K. - am I wrong or are the MOSFETs placed on that board on the right side of the CPU and not as usual on the left ?
:toast:
Also, are the temperature and voltage sensors actually remotely accurate on this board? It's :banana::banana::banana::banana:ING expensive, I expect the sensors to atleast work properly unlike the S754 Lanparty's sensors.
Edit: Damn bananas.
:D BTW - I think we will ask YOU.........., and "soon" also can be many weeks !Quote:
Originally Posted by [G.N.U.]Fragman
:toast:
oi Tony, does the bios support boot from USB Flash Drive? I would like to rid if my floppy if so. Thanks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
ya I can tell..
I got 5 bios here already.. :D
hehe please share any differences you are noticing.
I assume a bios saviour isnt needed on this board either like it was on the NF2 right? I may reuse mine anyways just for the heck of it. Better to be safe than sorry and having two different bioses to compare to would be handy as well.
No option to boot from usb in bios although you can chose other devices.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
bah that sucks! I thought people were saying the 250UT had boot from usb flash drive so I was hoping this would too. Much ghettoer mb's are supporting this. I want to rid of my floppy but would still like to be able to flash bioses, run fdisk etc.
BTW... what are the chances of getting OCZ Memtest imbedded into this bios like the 250? That would be awesome.
seems bios is going backwards ? or teething issues ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
can you confirm the 250 had boot from usb flash eva?
i'm vaguely sure :o pc in use so can't reboot now :)
hmmm its not looking good, dfi must do something. Not a bit impresive
Does Cool n Quite working with 2 stick memory? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by metro_oc.cl
The BIG news is that the Ultra chipset can be easily modded to become an SLI. You can see the details just posted at Morphing nForce4 Ultra into nForce4 SLI at http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2322. Once this simple mod is made to the $140 LANParty UT it is 100% nVidia SLI with both slots behaving as x8/x8. There is aslo the additional option of x16/x2 dual-video.
Very nice indeed. Seems incredibly easy to do. I am sure many people are going to be getting this board instead now. I wonder if this is the 'big news' bigtoe said he was going to tell us as soon as the NDA is up?
The performance increase using 16/2 is still a lot better than a single card regardless. In far cry 16/2 is faster than 8/8.
sales of the true SLI DFI is gonna suffer because of this. But then again, they can raise the price of the Ultra chipset.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
anything past 114?
Does anyone know when us "mortals" can order a DFI NF4 DR SLI mobo? I just pulled the trigger on 2 PCI-E 6800 Ultras and want the DFI mobo for them. I can buy it any time....starting from right now!!! :D :D
since all this stuff is coming out so soon, i really wonder why people went thru all the hassle of 939 nf3. better to sit tight on xp-m or 754
you can buy it in aus already its 270$ for the ultra D ~ 200$ usa
but like the 250gb UT i bet the price will go down, it came out at 295, then dropped to 245 which is when i got it and now its 200
wonder if there are bios differences between DFI NF4 SLI-DR, SLI and Ultra-D, wonder what would happen if you flashed NF4 SLI-DR or SLI bios on Ultra-D too heh
bigtoe,
You mentioned that the board is like geared towards TCCD ram :(
The only memory I have is some old school 3700EB which I plan on using when I go to A64. Have you tested this board out with some 3700EB and if you did, how well did it perform? Thanks.
Latest word is January 24th to 28th when they start selling on national retailer.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraggy
Socket 939 K8T890 , nForce4, SiS 756, Radeon Xpress 200 Next Gen Motherboard Pricing and Availability List
The BIOS appears to be the same on both boards. There are still some BIOS issues with certain mode combinations on certain BIOS Rev's, so updates are expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
The boards perform well with TCCD and BH5, but not so great with Hynix memory.
Well guys seems the big secret is out on Anandtech.
If you are wondering I can answer a few questions for you.
1 both the Ultra D and SLI use the same bios.
2 If you mod the chipset both boards are identicle apart from the SI SATA
3 The Ultra will do 16X 2X and 8X 8X dependant on what driver and if you do the chipset mod.
So...Ultra D = SLI...pretty cool eh?
i saw that article earlier and wondered if that indeed was the "big" secret! Well, looks like I was right! That is unbelievable! Where can you get a sli bridge? :banana4:
whats "memory interleaving" ??
also running raid 0 and around 260fsb might cause it to cause some problems on ultra ?
for those of us in the US:
Ultra:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=246486
SLI-DR:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=246485
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cid
I am wondering the same.
I have some 3700EB that my MSI K8N Neo2 hates. Will the DFI play nice with it?
Great news indeed all we now is lower PCI-E card prices heh
seems reports that Prolink and Gainward 6600GT PCI-E cards aren't working in SLI mode on at least A8N-E. Someone over at OCAU forums flashed Gainward 6600GT's bios with MSI 6600GT PCI-E bios and now it works fine in SLI mode!
Waiting for the ultra-d (to do the sli mod) :banana:
I've got a pair of ADATA DDR500 on my UT 250Gb, so I'm going to sell them and buy a pair of OCZ but don't know wich ones
1024MB 2x512 Kit Rev.2 OCZ4001024 ELDCPER2-K 284,00 €
or
1024MB 2x512 Kit Voltage eXtreme 263,00 €
Either is good...i actually like low latency over high fsb speeds but either will be real fast.
I have fired an email off to DFI asking for a tweak in the bios to get EB and Hynix based dimms running a little better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lood007
Im sure by the time retail boards hit you will see better perfomance...so i wouldn't worry.
thanks a ton, tonyQuote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
we really appreciate your help and information over here.
thanks again
I second that. Thanks for looking out for us EB users :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lood007
That's good of DFI to make both boards nearly identical... most users wont know abuot the mod or even have the balls to try... but DFI is obviously looking after the enthusiasts here :toast:
Thanks for the info Bigtoe
Guys my EB does 275fsb on the dfi or so but i have seen as high as 290 on other boards so its only a slight issue...nothing to really worry about. i have spoken with the DFI guru's and they are looking into it ASAP...they have the ram so we should see a bios soon.
How much vdimm are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Is DFI planning on releasing a nf4 board with a AGP-slot? (and maybe some pci express slots also)
Tony or whoever one last question. Does this board support the boot menu when pressing esc during post like on the NF2 boards. I found this much easier to change boot devices on the fly instead of always going into the bios before and after a change is to be made.
if I'm not mistaken, NForce4 only comes in PCI-Express flavors.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZaVkE
Nf4 is not Agp compatible
However Dfi told they would release a 939 NF3 After the Nforce4
AGP is dead... throw away your agp card :slap:
get some PCI-X :banana:
PCI-E is for Graphics...PCI-X is used on servers
jjcom
Tony,
Can you give us a screen shot of CPUZ motherboard and confirm that the chipset is a3, and not a2 as it seem on the Gigabyte product.
Hmmm... I think A2 is for nForce4-4x and A3 is for nForce4-Ultra and -SLI?
Killeroy.
Why in the name off god would they bring hypertransport of 800Mhz to the 939 Platform when it is a socket 754 standard? Move defective silicon for nvidia, to save them money so they don't have to toss it in the bin can?Quote:
Originally Posted by Killeroy
I don't get it?? I'm obviously missing something here?? Socket 939 Sempron?
no, as far as I can see they just don't want to throw 'em out. And why should they? I mean 800mhz HT vs 1ghz is nothing. So its not like its killing preformance.
jjcom
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
Lol, would you take the same stand if this was your memory speed we were talking about?
Don't forget we are talking a duplex link here....400 Mhz on the way side, and no I don't like the idea of communicating with my processor at 800 MHZx 2 when it can do 1000 x 2!
no I wouldn't, but 3x vs 4x isn't that big of difference and 5x vs 4x isn't that big of a difference.
jjcom
According to my calculator it is 400Mhz...any which way u look at it. AMD did not design a chip to communicate on an HT of 1000 Mhs just for my blue eyes!Quote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
Moot point, just want confirmation that A03 is used on DFI nforce 4 please
(if only ATI had a solid chipset out...arrggggghhh)
who cares? HT multis are only a hassle to remember to change when ocing
I think my next mem will be VX. Only one prob. My old Enermax 430W doesn't allow 3.3V rail increase so I'll pray for the new mobo to do it well from the 5v rail. If not, then I'll check for a guide to mod the psu and if can't (it would be my first attempt with a vmod) I'll get a booster.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
These PRE-DFI posts with bigtoe and OPP are maybe more addictive than a seasson of 24 (Jack Bauer) lol
:slobber:
anyone know how much space is available between the two pci-e slots? :stick:
Bigtoe
I just got my DFI SLI-DR.
Solid board, Nice and thick heavyduty PCB:)
I have things to do today but I want to hook the board up to my Cascade tonight first thing.
My Question is, which one of these caps do I solder to for the 3.3V mem mod? I want it done before I fire up the board.
Thanks.
OPP
From the bottom of top slot to the top of the bottom slot is 1 1/4"Quote:
Originally Posted by primeX
OPP
I know you are the PRO :D but the DFI have a option too 4v.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
I am sure you know this :confused: I dont understand this.
OPP, no voltmod needed. Just leave the board on 3.3V and crank up the 3.3V line, or give the board a go with the 5V jumper but make sure you cool the top right of the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
I have word there is going to be a new bios to bring the ram bandwidth up...so it may be worth holding off on benches for a day or so.
you guys make me sick! Getting these toys ahead of me :)
NO really! I'm envious as I really want to use that DFI too. I am really drooling over the DFI and some OCZ VX.
OPP,
Seems it's not documented in the pdf manual, here is where that 3.3 to 5 volts bridge is, lower right red circle:
http://www.devilsword.com/lpnf4/lpnf4vdimm.jpg
Wow, the situation seems to be getting better and better each day although the boards themselves are not yet available in retail :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Eagerly awaiting your benches, Opp.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Well as far as benching, I've been waiting for at least a month now due to broken down parts. I won't wait any longer, it's time to bench:D
OPP
Wow, I guess you just move the Jumper over for the 5V?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blindbat
OPP
Can't wait for your results OPP. :) Lets hope this board does what the NF3 754 DFI did for your 3dmark score at the time :D
WOW! BH-5 still the bomb after all these years.
In real world tests that BH-5 you have running right there will destroy any TCCD. A64 prefers LL over bandwidth except in silly synthetics like sisuck.
As I show here:http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...readid=1475190
Course both is ideal. But I'd take LL over bandwidth anyday.
Yip, so it seems. Sadly I don't have a board to confirm 100%, so send me your's and I'll reconfirm...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
yes the circle is what did :D
Oskar wu told me that long time ago...:D
OPB
DFI,, DFI,, :slapass: :slapass:
The Chipset fan is to High for ATI cards:D
Yes If you plan on getting the DFI 939 board and you have an ATI card be prepared to Change the Chipset heatsink:D
They should have sent this board a month ago :ROTF:
I can't believe they never tryed to sick an ATI card in:D
OPP
You're supposed to use two nvidia cards:D...but that's good to know..XTPE I presume.
what the.... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
but if you got sli board, you still have the other one to insert that ati..:D
edit: ooops...I am wrong...still be blocked :(
Rats , I like this magnetic levitation fan...rats....anyway to pound it down..try 3 pounder sledge hammer after all it's only a 6 layers mobo, never know what the 5 pounder will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
let us know ....lol!
On a more serious note however OPP, if one was to use a dremell and chip away the contour of the cooler to the max possible, would it fit then?
Crap now I need to find a chipset cooler...crap !
@OPP:
what are the clearances between the two sli slots? i'm trying to plan out a gpu watercooling setup and need to know if a block with 19mm profile would be able to comfortably fit between the 2 cards. given clearance with stuff from the back of the other card, i'm hoping there's at least 25mm between the 2 slots.
what are the clearances for around the chipset with respect to the graphics card, would a waterblock fit in any orientation underneath installed gfx cards?
Think I heard it was 1.625" spacing on the x16 slots.
OPP... what voltages are you running on your X800 gpu/mem?
No, the fan itself sits to high. You could take away all the Metal and set the fan on the Silicone and it would still be to high. Just kidding:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Blindbat
But no, you can't do it because of the fan.
OPP
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show...993#post674993Quote:
Originally Posted by jikdoc
OPP
%$#&?%$#....i not like bananas...talk about a f*ck up, frankly dissapointing to hear of such a shall i remain polite and say ..error!Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Ok, plan B let's see if we can dremell the new X800 XL...but let's see the result of the dremelling on your X850 PE first OPP, just so I know how to do it on mine.
lol,
thanks opp, that's what i get for jumping to the last page of the thread. sorry for the repeat question.
how tall is the chipset fan that it blocks the ati card? 3rd party chipset coolers probably wouldn't fit if the stock one is too tall, i guess you're stuck with using a low profile waterblock or scavenging a chipset fan from an old board
how about.....
take away the heatsink from the chipset...
and just do....
direct air cooling to the chipset from external fan? :)
Will it burn? :lol:
My lttle blue Asus H/S on it now is frying big time, hot, hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
OPP
Grab a spray bottle and give it a little spritz from time to time. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Man that is a kick in the pants. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
I would go SLI, but cannot afford 2x cards, and when it comes down to single cards vs. single cards I have a very strong preference for ATi. It's really a bummer that these cards are basically on the street, thus no chance for a quick fix.
What are the odds that DFI might make a revision of the board in the near future with an ATi compatible chipset fan?