You should have been able to exchange it under 30 days - you're located in the states?
--fibo
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You should have been able to exchange it under 30 days - you're located in the states?
--fibo
Nope, Sweden...
We've got 14 days to return the merchandise after we paid for it. 25 days has passed (yes, dumb, but I thought I'd be able to bump the speed more). The only thing I can do is to "break" the card in some way and return it for warranty, but that's not really something I'd do unless it really breaks.
I guess I'm stuck with this card until it's time for another upgrade. And it's not really fair to complain, I can run it past 4400 speeds, and I doubt I'd notice enormous difference (unless I could bump the core to 330+ and the memory to 700+). Stock 4200 speed is 250/500 (250/444 for 128mb), and I run mine at 300/575 without any mods (except the loud OTES system). Perhaps there's a need for more voltage or something, I don't know.
The reason why many of us can't get good oc results is not psu or agpvolt related. It's simply due to the fact that Albatron later used different components to manufacture the 4200p turbo card, specifically the ram.
The response written by Roger Chien to Dissolved isn't exactly true:
Thank you for choosing Albatron product.
In regards to your issue, we manufacture all the Ti4200P Turbo video cards in the same standard and configuration, there is no special or different batch among these cards...
Sincerely,
Roger Chien
---
I, like many of you, bought a 4200p turbo from newegg.com, hoping that it'd perform as well as the ti4600. But when I received it, I noticed that it wasn't the same card being reviewed on all of the websites. The main difference on mine is the absence of the hole and different design of the front ram heatspreaders. On all the review sites, http://www.neoseeker.com/Hardware/Pr...P/reviews.html, all of the cards have front heatspreaders with the hole.
I decided to investigate a little further by prying one of the heatspreaders and found what may be the key reason why many of us can't get good overclocking results. The ram used on my card without the holed heatspreader is 128 mb Samsung 238, K4D26323RA-GC33 300MHz 600Mbps/pin SSTL_2 (VDD/VDDQ=2.8V) 144-Ball FBGA
I don't exactly know much about this ram, except that it's also used on the Geforce 4 MX440 8X. Go to the bottom of this page http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/v...x4408x/1.shtml.
Now, the ram used on the cards with the hole is Etrontech, http://www.guru3d.com/review/albatro...g/DSC00842.JPG. Notice the difference.
So my guess is the Etrontech ram has a huge influence on the overclockability of the card. Note that the revision on my card is A3, same as the card that was reviewed at Guru3D and perhaps all the other sites.
grapeape,
Welcome to Xtreme :)
Great first post...used to watch that cartoon religously back in the day BTW ;)
hi n8. thanks for the kind welcome.
ya grape thanks for that info.
Quote:
Originally posted by grapeape
The reason why many of us can't get good oc results is not psu or agpvolt related. It's simply due to the fact that Albatron later used different components to manufacture the 4200p turbo card, specifically the ram.
The response written by Roger Chien to Dissolved isn't exactly true:
Thank you for choosing Albatron product.
In regards to your issue, we manufacture all the Ti4200P Turbo video cards in the same standard and configuration, there is no special or different batch among these cards...
Sincerely,
Roger Chien
---
I, like many of you, bought a 4200p turbo from newegg.com, hoping that it'd perform as well as the ti4600. But when I received it, I noticed that it wasn't the same card being reviewed on all of the websites. The main difference on mine is the absence of the hole and different design of the front ram heatspreaders. On all the review sites, http://www.neoseeker.com/Hardware/Pr...P/reviews.html, all of the cards have front heatspreaders with the hole.
I decided to investigate a little further by prying one of the heatspreaders and found what may be the key reason why many of us can't get good overclocking results. The ram used on my card without the holed heatspreader is 128 mb Samsung 238, K4D26323RA-GC33 300MHz 600Mbps/pin SSTL_2 (VDD/VDDQ=2.8V) 144-Ball FBGA
I don't exactly know much about this ram, except that it's also used on the Geforce 4 MX440 8X. Go to the bottom of this page http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/v...x4408x/1.shtml.
Now, the ram used on the cards with the hole is Etrontech, http://www.guru3d.com/review/albatro...g/DSC00842.JPG. Notice the difference.
So my guess is the Etrontech ram has a huge influence on the overclockability of the card. Note that the revision on my card is A3, same as the card that was reviewed at Guru3D and perhaps all the other sites.
gawd damn, thats EXACTLY what i wanted to hear! Now i gotta find one of these cards with that memory..
I'll be back in 1 hour, I have some ideas that I think we need to try, but I wanna research them a bit.
hmmm, Sounds interesting.. your first post.. I cant WAIT! lol..Quote:
Originally posted by Radelon
I'll be back in 1 hour, I have some ideas that I think we need to try, but I wanna research them a bit.
ive opened up the bios, and nothing is disabled, So at Least we know the Bios is fine.
Radelon,
Welcome to Xtreme :)
Ok first off, we have identified that there is a difference. Now, on that note, we need to see if we can solve the problem.
Here's the theory:
1. Newer Cards (Samsung Ram): These cards use a different HS on the ram than the original version. These cards also are only able to hit 640mhz max before having problems. This also seems to effect the core on this version, as the cores cannot get the numbers from the original version. This can all be related to the fact that maybe the Samsung ram requires more power to run than the original ram. Because if the ram being power hungry it could be trying to rob power from the core therefore resulting in an all together lower speed. Now, with that in mind, I did a little research on the Samsung Ram. It seems that on any card the Samsung ram is power hungry. But it also seems that if you give the ram more juice, it will perform better, it just needs more power.
2. Older Cards (Etrontech Ram): The cards use a hs with 2 straps in between the HS. These cards are the cards that everyone wants but just can't seem to snatch up. Now, investigating the matter I found that this Ram may still be robbing the core of voltage when they start to hit around 715mhz.
Ideas/Solutions:
1. Bios extraction: We need someone with each card to backup their current VGA bios so that we can compare them for differences. This could lead to a resolution (most likely won't, but it's a valid shot).
2. VMOD Memory: Now, this is tricky but I'm sure that some people could handle it. I really want to see what happens if you up the Memory Voltage on the Samsung version up about .2v and see if you get an overall increase in both core and memory speeds. If so, we would be able to conclude that the Memory does need more juice and the reason that as a whole, the Samsung version of the card clocks way less is due to a low voltage such that the ram needs more voltage to run and starts to rob the core, therefore causing everything to be slower. If in fact, this does allow for higher clocking on both the core and ram then we also might try the same on the Etrontech version. The cores on these should easily hit 340mhz (my MX420 core hits 350mhz). Maybe the reason the cores can't reach the higher speeds is that in both versions the ram is robbing the core of voltage therefore making the max oc lower.
I hope you all understand my theory, and for the sake of many, I really hope that my theory is correct. If so, we will all be happier.
It's not the disabled part I'm worried about, I'm worried that maybe there's different ram timings, or something of that nature.Quote:
Originally posted by Dissolved
hmmm, Sounds interesting.. your first post.. I cant WAIT! lol..
ive opened up the bios, and nothing is disabled, So at Least we know the Bios is fine.
well Albatron has the bios on there website..Quote:
Originally posted by Radelon
It's not the disabled part I'm worried about, I'm worried that maybe there's different ram timings, or something of that nature.
Do you have aim/icq/msn?
i looked through the bios, and i cant find ram timmings?
i can confirm what rade is saying. More messing with my card has resulted in 250/640 stable on the memory side while on the core side 285/552 seems to be the max.
The weird thing is the video lag everyone is describing, I have it to and i dont know why. I mean i have overclocked my friends msi 4200 64mb card and my other friends visiontek 4400 128mb card and when your upping the core the only thing you will see is video lockup. Now i get the freeze and go type lag of video, it doesnt make sense.
Quote:
Originally posted by kap
i can confirm what rade is saying. More messing with my card has resulted in 250/640 stable on the memory side while on the core side 285/552 seems to be the max.
The weird thing is the video lag everyone is describing, I have it to and i dont know why. I mean i have overclocked my friends msi 4200 64mb card and my other friends visiontek 4400 128mb card and when your upping the core the only thing you will see is video lockup. Now i get the freezing of video, it doesnt make sense.
i was gammimg at 300/650 and i noticed lag too.. like the frames just craped...
dissolved:
I think by increasing AGP voltage through mobo's BIOS has nothing to do with higher MHz for GPU and Memory. All GF4 cards are designed with built-in power supply & distribution IC (Semtech SC1102 or SC1175). So, when you increase the AGP through mobo bios, the IC will get HOTTER. You need a resistor to increase the Vsense.
I think you should OC your Albatron with voltmod before the whole computer break-down due to crashes, re-booting, on-off, etc.
i dont have a Way to do so on my KX7-333.. the AGP ic chip is right in front of the AGP slot, so the card's hsf blocks the voltages chip. I dont solder and wont ever on voltage mods, so i cannot do that enless i buy a mobo with agp in the bios. And the only better board then mine is the Epox nf2, and that only goes to like 1.8. Which is AGP voltage, From what i know that only powers the SLot, not the actual vgpu/vmem on the card. So id have to do a Card mod.Quote:
Originally posted by asw7576
dissolved:
I think by increasing AGP voltage through mobo's BIOS has nothing to do with higher MHz for GPU and Memory. All GF4 cards are designed with built-in power supply & distribution IC (Semtech SC1102 or SC1175). So, when you increase the AGP through mobo bios, the IC will get HOTTER. You need a resistor to increase the Vsense.
I think you should OC your Albatron with voltmod before the whole computer break-down due to crashes, re-booting, on-off, etc.
ive bought the better Albatron today, and when i get it i plan to modd it. at least the memory. If i keep my pelt block, ill vmodd the gpu.
But for now this card i have with the samsung memory is going back for a full refund.
i volunteer to vmod the memory if someone tells me how to do it.
i have a removable vmod kit i made that is like the one in this article: http://www.liquidninjas.com/reviews....owcontent&id=9
what pins on what chip do i hook it up to? i have 2 of them i made
You will need pomona grabbers for this, i think those clips are too big.
What size VR/Pots do you have?
GPU Mod, Connect to that Pin, and the other wire to Ground.
(this is on the back side of the card)
vmem..
this is where to check the voltages..
dissolved, i definetly can EASILY mod my memory w/ the grabbers i have (the one in the liquidninja article was just an example of somethin like what i have).
however, i still am not sure how to check to voltage of the ram. what do i hook up to the card to see? a multimeter? if so how do i do it w/ the multimeter? (i have one but dont know how to use)
using stock cooling what voltage do you think i should set the memory at?
well, you just hook the RED prob to the positive on the card and black to the negitive.
The multi meter should have a setting for DC voltage set it so it can read up to 5/10/20 volts.
ill talk to my friend tonight, and see if we can make a fully Guide tonight if hes online. i have a multi meter i can show you..
when i get the other albatron ill take some pics for you and clearly point this all out.
thanks for your help dissolved yah i still dont really get about how to check for the voltage.
well i tried uppin the agp voltage from 1.5 to 1.7 and that did NOTHING to help increase stability at high speeds
mobo vagp wont do much i think.. it helped alot on my gf3.. but i think its all on the agp bus, i doubt the vagp voltage will do anything for the card.. Probly only good if you had a high agp bus speed.
well if you can figure it out, when i get my new card, ill make a write up for everyone. my bro might buy this card too, and i might make him vmodd it also..
uggh i hadnt run 3dmark or gamed in a while and now this card wont even do 294/635 like it had been previously! i get artifacts galore now!!!!
rrr i hate this card!
hopefully someone will buy it on ebay cause i am thinkin of sellin it if vmoddin it doesnt work
Quote:
Originally posted by Emericana
uggh i hadnt run 3dmark or gamed in a while and now this card wont even do 294/635 like it had been previously! i get artifacts galore now!!!!
rrr i hate this card!
hopefully someone will buy it on ebay cause i am thinkin of sellin it if vmoddin it doesnt work
Well Dont sell it broken. And if you do state that the card is used. con-ing peeps on ebay isnt cool. But its your call.
Best to do is i can call albatron and see if they'll rma it for you. Theres a program that tests for artifacts, not sure whats its called tho, But id like to test my card be4 i send it back. cuz i was having trouble on stock mhz.
You should try different drivers.. my card loves the lastest offical geforce drivers.. i mean damn i havent noticed 1 problem since.
maybe i will try new drivers
the card isnt broken in the sense it wont run stock values. it runs stock fine and it runs 294/606fine as well just the ram has stopped going much higher than 620 for me now so hopefully vmodding it will work but i dont wanna vmod it until i can check the voltages of the card...
also, what do you think a safe voltage for the ram is? is 2.8v still safe on videocards like it is on normal ram (corsair even says 2.8v is 100% safe)
well im not to sure what voltage.. but i think 2.8v is standard. i believe your safe up to 3.0v. you might wanna ask sysfailur.
Last Hour:
hi all guys,my Albatron 4200p Turbo(??) 128
has another type of RAM!
Samsung 4D26323RA GC28 NOT GC33! (overstocking?)
It's the same of the 4600.
Anyway it really sucks,290@620!
This week i'm going to try the Vmod...
salut!
well the vmodd will probly work out a lil better..
Yup, you should definitely be able to get more speed out of that 2.8ns RAM. The GPU is another matter though. It seems like Ti-chips manufactured after a certain date (moved to another machine when the GFFX ramped up?) attained either lower yields or just plain less-clockable chips? Anyway, good luck with the modding, I hope you can increase the performance past Ti4600 specs. :)
its 3.3ns not 2.8ns.
I thought he said: Samsung 4D26323RA GC28 NOT GC33!
That means, unless I'm offtrack, that's the modules on his cards use GC28 parts which should allow for high RAM overclocking.. :)
well These are 3.3ns cards.. theres no way in hell albatron would use 2.8ns on a ti4200.. its just common sense.
Vmodded the memory..
@2.86v 300.4/661.5mhz (low level via riva) Med artifacts.. (is alot worse at 2.8v.
im gonna try higher voltage and see if the artifacts will go away.
EDIT: 300.4/661.5mhz @3.0v Still gets artifacts... So either The memory seriously sucks ass, or maybe its just my luck.
i hope to gawd The card with the better memory wont pull this crap. :(
needed to link this :)
so dissolved, you can run the GPU at a higher speed after you vmodded it or could you always run at 300? i can only do 294/625 now this sucks!
be4 vmem modd 300/650 was my higest w/o artifacts..
i CAN run 310/650 w/o any noticeable artifacts w/ the vmem at 3.0v..
The memory will not do anything higher then 650 even at 3.0v
So i guess this memory really is horrible. Tomorrow, or tonight if i feel like it im gonna vmodd the GPU, and see what i can get.
My Albatron 4200p turbo uses these ram modules:
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?im...8xNF9sLmpwZw==
Are they 3,3 or 2,8 ?!? I think (sure!) 2,8 ...anyway they really sucks!
After the Vmod nothing special??Well, i'll fry it and RMA ! :D
Now time has come for the modification...bye!
salut!
Well the Albatron Should use 3.3ns.. the 28 on the chip could mean something else, im not sure TBH.Quote:
Originally posted by ---sv---
My Albatron 4200p turbo uses these ram modules:
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?im...8xNF9sLmpwZw==
Are they 3,3 or 2,8 ?!? I think (sure!) 2,8 ...anyway they really sucks!
After the Vmod nothing special??Well, i'll fry it and RMA ! :D
Now time has come for the modification...bye!
salut!
But I know the Samsung memory chips on the Albatron cards are not good.
My Memory is the samsung (not sure which model ill have to look tomorrow) It WILL NOT do anything higher then 650mhz even after volt modded @3.0volts. I'll get heavy artifacts at anything past 650mhz.
Heh, that's not even an '8', it's a 'B' ;)Quote:
Originally posted by ---sv---
My Albatron 4200p turbo uses these ram modules:
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html? ...LmpwZw==
Are they 3,3 or 2,8 ?!? I think (sure!) 2,8 ...anyway they really sucks!
After the Vmod nothing special??Well, i'll fry it and RMA !
Now time has come for the modification...bye!
salut!
Anyway, I wonder how the heck you guys can get 650Mhz out of your ram while I can't get past 575/580 with my Hynix 3.3ns RAM on my Abit 4200 OTES without artifacts... Crappy voltage regulators on the card?
I've made the Vmod !
Cazzo fa' veramente cagare 'sta scheda!!
Oooops...sorry this is italian! :p
This is a bloody sh*ttin' card,it is not turbo...it's awful!!
Anyway after the volt mod:
V.gpu:1,765--->310 (295 before)
V.mem:2,965--->640 (620 before)
I'll contact Albatron for change "turbo" into "diesel" ;)
@Scyphe
I supposed ;)Quote:
Heh, that's not even an '8', it's a 'B'
salut!
310/640 is still very low for this card. You should hit alot higher.. maybe try 1.9v gpu, and 3.0v vmem and see what you can clock to?
i hit 310/650 w/o voltage mods..
I've found a review of our loved/hated video card,unfortunately
it's in Greek :mad: anyway I was able to see some interesting things:
-the 4200p turbo in the review uses the old heatspreaders with the hole,but the ram is not Etrontech but Samsung!!
-they were able to overclock the baby 320@710 !!!
AAAAAAAARRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!:mad: :mad:
on top of all that,i'm goin' mad 'cause my ram it's another type,just like 4600's...but suks !!!
I think that our problems might be a bios problem...or not?!? :confused:
Take a look here:
http://www.ixbt.com/video2/albatron-gf4ti.shtml
salut!
The review was done on Oct 22, 2002 which was before we realized the new batches produced a different card not OC'ing as high as before...consistent with the other early reviews, that's all...
I've moved on with that card...I actually got some Leadtek ti4400 which could be OC'ed without pushing at 315/700 for the same price...
--fibo
blah i am not gonna even bother any more.
honestly, benchin isnt everything, if i can play UT2003 smoothly at 1024x728, which i can, why bother doing anything until doom3 comes out (i can barely get 30fps in the alpha).
hopefully the geforce FX price will be lower by then or atleast the 9700pro.
yea, seriously..Quote:
Originally posted by Emericana
blah i am not gonna even bother any more.
honestly, benchin isnt everything, if i can play UT2003 smoothly at 1024x728, which i can, why bother doing anything until doom3 comes out (i can barely get 30fps in the alpha).
hopefully the geforce FX price will be lower by then or atleast the 9700pro.
after adding .04vmem my card has been 100% flawless in hours of gamming at 310/650.. kinda strange..
my card gets here tomorrow so ill see what she'll do stock, then ill vmod her :)
UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i got a new albatron!
the CAPS are Purple! yet the memory is still samsung..
i will have oc results later tonight.
Pics:
My card w/ silver caps:
Purple caps?:
Also another Note:
In talking with sysfailur He told me he had these Purple caps on his PNY 4600, and said that card didnt OC at all..
His card is like the one posted Above (1st post on pg3). But my card has Purple and Black caps.. So i guess its time for testing.. :)
UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!
YAY 4 Purple Caps.. just ran a full 3dmark bench at 310.4/648 Low Level in riva and scored 12,509 3dmark2k1se pts..
i didnt link it, as i wanna try to go higher. :)
Ok, it sounds like you've reached and surpassed Ti4600 speed (at least in core), now lets see if you can take her higher.. :)
Hello
wich bios they are in your new cards ?
because they are a new bios for TI4200P turbo :
ftp.albatron.com.tw/Driver/VGA_Card/BIOS/Ti4200_Series/Ti4200P_Turbo_Ti4200_Turbo/TI42XDM2.zip
I try this now
for my card, with the old bios, it's 285/625 max
sorry for my bad english
with the new bios ,
the same 285/625 ..........
well ill try again tonight, but my new card w/ the purple caps artifacts at (memory) 661mhz (next step up in riva tuner from 648)
So ill try the core, then ill try vmodding the vmem.
If the core wont do more then 310 ill probly try and send it back and get a 4600. This is a waste of money trying to get one that oc's good. ive wasted alot of time as well..
@titi38
It's not a bios problem,but different hardware(maybe).
I've tried the new bios too...always 310@640,bear in mind
that i've changed the core/mem voltage.
salut!
dissolved why not a 9500 pro?
.Quote:
Originally posted by Emericana
dissolved why not a 9500 pro?
Dont like ati. There drivers are worse then anything out there. i'll never go ATI i just dont perfer them.
Next step? You know you can change the accuracy, right? Currently I've got RivaTuner 2.0 in accuracy mode "High". It will give me 1Mhz steps, and it works fine. (on the low-level overclock screen, press "More").Quote:
Originally posted by Dissolved
well ill try again tonight, but my new card w/ the purple caps artifacts at (memory) 661mhz (next step up in riva tuner from 648)
So ill try the core, then ill try vmodding the vmem.
If the core wont do more then 310 ill probly try and send it back and get a 4600. This is a waste of money trying to get one that oc's good. ive wasted alot of time as well..
You are a wise man!Quote:
Originally posted by Dissolved
.
Dont like ati. There drivers are worse then anything out there. i'll never go ATI i just dont perfer them.
i set it to high, and it still does it.. but if i wanted to dial in mhz by 1mhz then id do driver oc.Quote:
Originally posted by Scyphe
Next step? You know you can change the accuracy, right? Currently I've got RivaTuner 2.0 in accuracy mode "High". It will give me 1Mhz steps, and it works fine. (on the low-level overclock screen, press "More").
Hi!
Looking for a thred like this a long time. Im sitting on a Alb, purple caps samsung mems. I bought this after looking on the reviews (310/700) u know that stuff..
Im currently on 305/340, impretty satisfied with that but my prob is this... If im running my core at 250, I can run my mem at 670 w/o artifacts.. But any core over 280+ will get my mem bogin out at 640/650 ish... thats pretty annoying ,,, It feels like something is wrong..
/sb
well i think this memory is crap.. either that or i think ALbatron did something with there bios..
Yeah something is definetly wrong.
Dissolved, have u tried a voltmod on ur new card ??
Im just goning crazy over the thing that i can have pretty nice mem speeds when not o/c the core but eith the core o/c the mem wount do as good...
/sb
Tomorrow ill try. im too tired tonight.Quote:
Originally posted by smb
Yeah something is definetly wrong.
Dissolved, have u tried a voltmod on ur new card ??
Im just goning crazy over the thing that i can have pretty nice mem speeds when not o/c the core but eith the core o/c the mem wount do as good...
/sb
I noticed that the review of the Albatron GF4 Ti4200P Turbo I read at guru3d.com (they reached 310/730 without mods) had pictures of the RAM, and it was definitely not Samsung. Here's a link to the module:
http://www.guru3d.com/review/albatro...g/DSC00842.JPG
I'd say that Albatron moved from Etrontech to Samsung, and that's the reason why the cards clock like crap. Just a guess from my side, but I'd bet that if you found cards with EtronTech-RAM, you'd be able to clock the RAM past 700Mhz.
I'm still bummed that I can't get my RAM to reach even 600Mhz (3.6ns Hynix modules), but that's different card. I can get the core to 310 (I've benched at 325) but the RAM just won't go past 575 without artifacts. Voltmod and ramsinks next on my list.
Yea, a guy found this out a few weeks ago (veiw middle of the thread on page 2.. he has the same thing u just posted)Quote:
Originally posted by Scyphe
I noticed that the review of the Albatron GF4 Ti4200P Turbo I read at guru3d.com (they reached 310/730 without mods) had pictures of the RAM, and it was definitely not Samsung. Here's a link to the module:
http://www.guru3d.com/review/albatro...g/DSC00842.JPG
I'd say that Albatron moved from Etrontech to Samsung, and that's the reason why the cards clock like crap. Just a guess from my side, but I'd bet that if you found cards with EtronTech-RAM, you'd be able to clock the RAM past 700Mhz.
I'm still bummed that I can't get my RAM to reach even 600Mhz (3.6ns Hynix modules), but that's different card. I can get the core to 310 (I've benched at 325) but the RAM just won't go past 575 without artifacts. Voltmod and ramsinks next on my list.
well i WAS suppose tp get the Etrontech ram, but my hookup sent me the wrong freaking card so im really pissed off :(
I got both nVidia and ATI (6 machines total) and your driver point is non-valid - all of my different ATI run flawessly - drivers are released frequently and ATI people are interacting in the forums at least...Quote:
Originally posted by Dissolved
.
Dont like ati. There drivers are worse then anything out there. i'll never go ATI i just dont perfer them.
The 9500 Pro OC's like mad now - not too far from 9700 pro and given the cost of the card, I see no reason of buying a geforce4 :D
Details here
--fibo
buy why whould i wanna spend another 200 on a vid card?
ati's arent much faster.. not worth the $ to me.
just bec u have had no issues dont mean others wont. the 9700 pro was all messed up when it came out, and peeps still have trouble w/ it.
Hey, I got my part of troubles with my geforce4 - especially with the drivers...Of course, people have troubles, there will always be...why another $200? the 9500 pro can be found at a price close to the TI4200 Albatron POS and the hardware got hella more features...
--fibo
Quote:
Originally posted by Scyphe
---CUT---
I'd say that Albatron moved from Etrontech to Samsung, and that's the reason why the cards clock like crap. Just a guess from my side, but I'd bet that if you found cards with EtronTech-RAM, you'd be able to clock the RAM past 700Mhz.
---CUT---
It's not all true:
http://www.ixbt.com/video2/albatron-gf4ti.shtml
The card of the review is equipped with Samsung.
salut!
That's another review, and it's in russian. Did they do any modding to the card except the fact that they added a fan that blew straight over the card and the ram-sinks?Quote:
Originally posted by ---sv---
It's not all true:
http://www.ixbt.com/video2/albatron-gf4ti.shtml
The card of the review is equipped with Samsung.
salut!
I don't know...i'm from italy... :)Quote:
Originally posted by Scyphe
That's another review, and it's in russian. Did they do any modding to the card except the fact that they added a fan that blew straight over the card and the ram-sinks?
Anyway the card uses Samsung memory,IMHO there are
also other factors for the bad OC of the new card's batch...maybe
caps?...i'm still investigate...
salut!
http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Albatron/Ti4200Medusa/
i dont know if albatron is giving reviewers golden sample cards or what but this is a new review with the good ram....
i allready emailed the reviewer and gave him this thread if others would do the same it would be nice to tell the people on that site the truth...
theres a new bios update.. im gonna try it and see if i can oc more.
Hmmmm new BIOS, please post some feedback cos i am too scared to stuff up my card testing it.
yeah dissolved pls post w/ results
Hey guys, Im tellin ya, RMA them all and go with the Leadtek TI4200 128mb. Mine does 300/600 artifact free and 300/620 with barely noticable artifacts...all with stock voltage settings. Would like to vmod, but no money to replace it if it burns out.
I have no reason to RMA, as I said earlier mine does 300/700 with no probs what so ever. But like anyone here I too would like to go futher.
my card does 310/650 stock. So i dont think rma'ing is a good idea.Quote:
Originally posted by jaawood
Hey guys, Im tellin ya, RMA them all and go with the Leadtek TI4200 128mb. Mine does 300/600 artifact free and 300/620 with barely noticable artifacts...all with stock voltage settings. Would like to vmod, but no money to replace it if it burns out.
OK, i decided to flash anyway, I haven't tried OCing tests just yet, but on default my nature score have gone up from 81fps to 87fps, with the CPU clocked about 150MHz lower so this BIOS does improve performance greatly.
Just to say, my Abit Siluro TI4200 which is very old will do 320/640 stock everything. Why is everyone raving about these Albatron cards? I think N8 and a few others had similar experiences. I imagine their 128mb card will be pretty good as well, think I read it had faster memory than mine.
My "enhanced" Abit Ti4200 OTES has sucky RAM. I can hit 325 and run 3dmark, but RAM won't go higher than 575-580 before showing artifacts. To reach 100% stability I have to run the card at 310/575. The core is ok, it's 60Mhz more than stock Ti4200 speeds (and 10mhz more than Ti4600 ;) but the RAM was a complete disappointment.Quote:
Originally posted by KAIN
Just to say, my Abit Siluro TI4200 which is very old will do 320/640 stock everything. Why is everyone raving about these Albatron cards? I think N8 and a few others had similar experiences. I imagine their 128mb card will be pretty good as well, think I read it had faster memory than mine.
I've got no ramsinks and have made absolutely no v-modding, and I only use a 300W PSU, so conclusion is that it's pretty ok.
Can you guys Stop talking about What other cards can do please?
Stay on topic.
im a bit tired of seeing people posting about other what other cards can do, and half of of you guys 4200/4400 dont even do what my albatron does.
So for gawds sake pls stay on topic!
EXCUSE ME then... It's just that there's more people with Ti4200 based cards, and the common denominator it the Ti4200 chip. But ok, I guess the comparing of several brands and the average quality of their overall OC-possibilites due to new chip revs etc. isn't interesting... I won't soil this thread with any comments from now on...
Quote:
Originally posted by Scyphe
EXCUSE ME then... It's just that there's more people with Ti4200 based cards, and the common denominator it the Ti4200 chip. But ok, I guess the comparing of several brands and the average quality of their overall OC-possibilites due to new chip revs etc. isn't interesting... I won't soil this thread with any comments from now on...
Well im not trying to flame you or anything. But theres probley 30 or so posts in the thread that arent even close to the topic. i didnt mean to have it go that way.
Well, I just recieved my replacement card (rma dead abit)..
Albatron ti4200 Turbo 128meg 8x.
Looks like this card does fairly decent...right now I'm at 300/600 and running great. I will push it further later and post results.
Sorry dissolved I was just putting in 2p worth.
I did have an Albatron, wasn't as good as my Siluro though.
Excellent cards and excellent VFM though!
so does the new bios help anything?
Higher performance?!?Quote:
Originally posted by Emericana
so does the new bios help anything?
If you're lookin' +100points in 3Dmrk,well this bios is for you! :)
If you're thinkin' that it could solve your OC probs (Albatron owner) than...stay away!! :(
I'm very surprised watching the last review about this :D EXCELLENT CARD :D on "vr-zone"...another rockin' card...but it's another batch(3th) or the usually rockin'card for reviever only ! :mad: :mad:
bye!
well its hard to say. i was having windows problems when i swited.Quote:
Originally posted by Emericana
so does the new bios help anything?
i fixed the windows problem (had yo uninstall sp1), and i installed the via 4n1's, then dx6, the the 41.09's and i got a 200 point gain. but that could be due to the reinstall of the drivers and not the bios.
Hi guys!
Here the first *Real* review about our loved card ;) nice results...
http://www.legitreviews.com/Reviews/..._4200p_1.shtml
salut!
I got a rebranded Albatron ti4200P turbo, it's now a Club3d ti4200 gamers edition. Its all the same as the albatron except for the sticker on the fan :cool:
anyway, i can clock my card to 315 / 700 without any problems.
nb, i got the old memory heatsinks, and no special cooling on it yet. Next week i'll have a Vcore and Vmem mod. I will also have my card on a separate waterloop so i can achieve low temps.
my albatron turbo running without mods @332/710 stable
with mods @ 385/780 :slobber:
Which memory does it have?Quote:
Originally posted by SKYNET
my albatron turbo running without mods @332/710 stable
with mods @ 385/780 :slobber:
thanks
3.3ns @ 390 ohm resistor
No whats the Brand name of the memory?Quote:
Originally posted by SKYNET
3.3ns @ 390 ohm resistor
Cuz theres 2 differnt brands this card uses, and one doesnt oc at all.. which is what i have.
I do not have RAM sinks yet the going off abbott
Have any of you updated the BIOS on the chip?? They have a revision for the chip and it gave me about a 10 MHz speed increase on the RAM and a few on the core. I get around 315/720 with stock cooling and thermal paste. I have the 128MB version and its A3.
I love it and sorry you guys are having all of these problems.
You can actually RMA it just because it isnt OC'ing to your expectations? It is still going over what it says if it makes it over 300/650. I get a bunch over that so I have happy.