There should be an AGP/PCI Frequency option in the BIOS.Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
How can I tell if the one I have supports locks or not?
http://www.amdzone.com/pics/motherbo...agppcilock.jpg
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There should be an AGP/PCI Frequency option in the BIOS.Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
How can I tell if the one I have supports locks or not?
http://www.amdzone.com/pics/motherbo...agppcilock.jpg
even if your board doesnt support it you will still get the option on the 1005.020/.021 bios. Know several people that got the option but didnt boot with it enabled.
Mine boots with it enabled no problem. It's just extremely unstable with or without the locks enabled. I'm leaning toward it being a dimm voltage thing like xgman suggested. It's only unstable when I am 3D benching.
how high are you tweeking it?? also have you run clockgen to see if the locks are working??
might drop the hypertransport to 800mhz if your FSB is real high.
Can't even run stock without instability. I am going to do a lot more testing this weekend, but it doesn't look good. I'm gonna go shopping for a new S939 board as well.
have you tried the 1003 bios?
Not yet but I will when I get home.
I may get a version 2.0 A8V, But I Sure would like to try out a DFI LanParty nF3 Ultra-D!
Mmmmmmmmm...3.1v in Bios. :p:
Who Knows, My OCZ Booster may even work in That!
:cool:
If it doesnt run on the 1003 bios stock RMA time unless your testing someone else's board. It may not be up on the asus site anymore since the 1006 has been released. lemme know and i'll rip it off the CD if your board came with the 1006 or you dont have the asus cd..Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
Not yet but I will when I get home.
No, this board is a POS. Maybe I just got a bad one but this is about the 5th board I've seen that was crap! I'm picking up the Gigabyte in the morning.
Sounds like it, you can get the MSI k8t800pro board. :stick:
its in stock at zzf.com
Well, I was able to sort out some of the stability problems, enough to run a bench or two. (see sig...)
Still, ASUS says the VIA chipset has issues with the locks enabled and I believe them. I also believe that any board with the VIA K8T800 Pro chipset is suspect so I will not be recommending them. I'm testing the same board that pkrew and OPP have taken to the top of the 2k1 ORB as I write this. I hope it is as solid as the K8NS Pro. If so it looks like Gigabyte is the one to beat, at least until the others get it together. MSI, Asus and DFI are all coming out with their S939 NF3 250 boards soon. Should be interesting.
well hopefully the a8n has a better launch than the thus far lackluster k8n board. Msi could go under and it would effect me any but the DFI needless to say.....:slobber:
Also expect to do mods on the gigabyte, so far from people who've used both the asus and the gigabyte i hear the GB does better on the Htt and a tad better on memory but doesnt overclock the processor as far unmodded. Kinda like the LPB/Infinity vs nf7-s comparison for the axps.
That's because the GB only has 1.7v on the core!
unless i misunderstood them it didnt overclock as well for 1.7vcore not because of.
We'll see.
serves me right i guess.
Have fun.
No offense, but I don't take anything I read anywhere as absolute truth. I test the stuff myself.
Rubbernecking? Haha! Yep, I made it to the top 10 (#10 thanks to PC Ice!!!) of the 2k1 ORB by rubbernecking. You kids are too much!:lol:
thats fine, but it was not present as absolute truth nor should it have even been considered that way given the fact that it was presented as 2nd hand information. Was actualy given as a friend heads up but what do i know, im not in the top 10 on the orb.
If you so choose to measure yourself and tune your actions and your attitude around your 3dmark score thats fine. Ive had enough, you win. Your a much bigger fish in your little pond than I could ever hope to be in mine. Forgive me for presuming that you hadnt allready known everything about everything. I castrate myself before your Orb score.
That's pretty Xtreme, don't ya think? What's with the drama?
i just had a epiphany.
Your right, the value of anything and anyone can be solely determined by there Orb standings and should be treated accordingly. Ya know, damn and there i was going to go about the rest of my life judge'n people whether they were jerks or not. Silly me.
Sarcasm is such a lost art form on the internet.:rolleyes:
This isn't the "find love" forum. It's about overclocking and benching. If you're not interested in that perhaps you are in the wrong section of the web.
I'm judging hardware, not people.;)
according to sandra 2004, when set to 1000, it's already dropping to 800 for some reason.Quote:
Originally posted by iboomalot
how high are you tweeking it?? also have you run clockgen to see if the locks are working??
might drop the hypertransport to 800mhz if your FSB is real high.
Good luck with the Gigabyte board. I hated it though. I feel like it will come down to the DFI, maybe the MSI, and then the A8V 2.0.
OPP and pkrew seem to be having good luck with theirs so maybe since I got mine from the same place OPP got his mine might be a good one. I hope???
yes , the giga is a good M/B , the best actually.
if i could have a FX53 i'll complete the gigastrike.
but for the moment i could'nt play with you , i can't hit a good frequency with 3500+ and coeff 11x :(
It's not just that. The cache thing would kill your 3D scores. You need the FX more for the cache than the multis.
I personally don't think 512K of cache makes as big a difference as you make out.
if that was true why do Bartons with 512K need to have 200-300 mhz more to even get close to a a64-3500+ with the same level of cache.
also why at stock speeds does a 3500+ and 3800+ bench the same if not faster than the 754s?? ooh ya I forgot its a conspiracy by the reviewers :rolleyes:
Also not everybody can pay for the FX :( so 3500+ is a fast, cheap S939 solution.
Too bad computer programs (3DMark in this case) don't care what you think "personally". Maybe your hi-powered rig would have beaten my old Athlon XP score from 2 years ago...lol.
Sorry Mariachi, no such thing as "a cheap S939". That's like saying "a fast P4"...lol...j/k
Seriously though, the S754s kick the DC Newcastles butts and do it for less dinero!:D
Buying a 3500+ rig is like buying a Mercedes SL600 with a 6 banger in it. It just shouldn't be done.;)
maybe it isn't cheap, but certainly cheaper than the FX ;)
anyway if the 3600+ really comes out i'll get it.
Good for you!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Mariachi
maybe it isn't cheap, but certainly cheaper than the FX ;)
anyway if the 3600+ really comes out i'll get it.
for a business man why are you on here b!tching about how crappy the NewCastles are instead of getting your web page working properly???
I sure hope some kid doesn't come to you for help or a setup and has a 3500+ or 3800+. I would feel sorry for him after you get done blasting him.
Oh don't be such a baby. This is all in fun, and you are not the first person in the world to overpay for hardware. I do it all the time.;)Quote:
Originally posted by iboomalot
for a business man why are you on here b!tching about how crappy the NewCastles are instead of getting your web page working properly???
I sure hope some kid doesn't come to you for help or a setup and has a 3500+ or 3800+. I would feel sorry for him after you get done blasting him.
sorry forgot my wink ;)
Just glad I didn't pay 500+ for it like others did. And I got a decent deal for a mobo even if it fried two WD740GBs before I got the Bios updated.
***goes back to sucking thumb*** :D
How did it fry them?
ok , we have to compare , clock to clock.
Set your 3700+ at 2800mhz with good FSB.
Set stock clocks on X800Xt Pe.
win XP sp1, cata 4.6 , Dx 9c. 3DM2K1
I will do the same with my 3500+ and we ll know really.
It will be interresting.
If you are ok i ll done that tomorrow :toast:
Did you get your card?
yes it's a giga pro vivo@XT PE but with 1,6vgu :(
Edit :in fact, i decide to beat you on the ORB with 3500+ and Pro card; it will be better.
if i beat you you're wrong :rolleyes::stick:
he is going to beat 33804 with a 3500+ and X800pro ???
welll ummmm well ummm good luck and God be with you.
How did it fry them?
locks weren't working put the system at 225 mhz FSB and loaded windows fine, loaded my programs started folding, went to bed. Got up next morning and @home was down. Tried to reload @home and system had a small crash. I rebooted and when it got past POST said something like Write error or unable to read drive. and thus toasted the drive.
first time this happened on a refurbished raptor i got off ebay. Was supposed to be new but NOOoo. bought the second one local and fried as described above and got it warrantied. Sold the second working drive on ebay for 118.00 shipped to some kid in cali and he is happy as a clam.
so basically
2 drives off ebay 350.00
1 drive from PC club 234.00 (god I hate taxes)
118 -(4.00 paypal fee 8.00 fedex ) <106.00>
total a$$rape = 478.00 and all I got was this lousy WD7400GB and T-shirt.
ok, no t-shirt just a WD740GB paperweight.
god is my friend sometimes :rolleyes:
but it's not 33800 i have to beat, but his best with 3700+ , Fx53 is too much powerfull of course :)
Storm what was your XT's frequency for yours runs ?
How could you be so cruel, your orb score just makes me so hot! Give me the time of day and i'll worship the dirt beneath your feet. Your a god above all other benchmarking men, the rest of these flea's should bow there heads when you walk by. I mean really, anyone that self important must actualy be that important right?Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
This isn't the "find love" forum. It's about overclocking and benching. If you're not interested in that perhaps you are in the wrong section of the web.
I'm judging hardware, not people.;)
Storm you're beaten at 2K3 with a poor 3500+ NC and Pro :D.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2876729
I already know what´s coming:Quote:
Originally posted by misteroadster
Storm you're beaten at 2K3 with a poor 3500+ NC and Pro :D.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2876729
3DM2k3 result is not so much depending on the rest of the hardware, it´s mostly the vidcard. And if he ever gets xtreme cooling on his card, you´ll see his back from far behind...
Wish I could afford 2 new mobos and 2 new CPUs and test it myself...
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/...s/rolleyes.gif
loll , yes for sure.
#1 A Gigabyte VIVO Pro flashed to XT is identical to an XT, so you are running an XT.Quote:
Originally posted by misteroadster
Storm you're beaten at 2K3 with a poor 3500+ NC and Pro :D.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2876729
#2 I don't spend any time at all benching with 2K3 because it is a DX9 test, not a good overall indication of anything else.
#3 P4's do well in 2k3. Does that mean they are faster than A64? I'd say no.
#4 You won't even break 33k unless you freeze the GPU as well as the CPU. All my runs are with an aircooled VC, and I broke 33k even with a terrible run on the 3700+. It could have done much better but I was not able to get the CPU dialed in that day.
Here's my 100% aircooled (yes, VC too) 3700+ bench at only 2569MHz:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2821936
Almost as fast as my PC cooled FX-53 run. What does that tell you?:rolleyes:
I could smash the 2k3 score in my sig if I cared to. Now quit screwing around and show us those huge 2k1 numbers!:ROTF:
Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
#1 A Gigabyte VIVO Pro flashed to XT is identical to an XT, so you are running an XT.
depends if all 16 of his pipelines are operating. :D
is 460.00 shipped for a X800 XT PE a good deal ??
Ok Drama Queen...let's get back to the topic, shall we?Quote:
Originally posted by Mongoose420
How could you be so cruel, your orb score just makes me so hot! Give me the time of day and i'll worship the dirt beneath your feet. Your a god above all other benchmarking men, the rest of these flea's should bow there heads when you walk by. I mean really, anyone that self important must actualy be that important right?
After testing the A8V Deluxe and the GA-K8NSNXP-939 for 3 days I'd say the A8V is the better of the two for most people. The Gigabyte is good for those users who love to solder (board is total crap overclocker without vmods). Also, the Gigabyte BIOS is retarded. It defaults to stupid RAM timings, and when it crashes it crashes hard. The Asus defaults to proper timings, has a much better BIOS (crashproof works very well), much better voltages without modding, has better tools, the RAID is easier to set up and it has more features than the Gigabyte. You MUST run the beta BIOS however, as locks are manditory or you will FRY your SATA drives!!!
The more I play with the A8V the more I like it! That's the sign of a good board, and I've always had luck with Asus boards. The K8V was the first and best board for the S754 for a long time. The SK8V was incredible, and the A8V looks to be a winner also.;)
iboomalot:
JUMP ON IT!!!
:up:
I did shipping aug. 13th
they are getting in 350 units I was one of the 200 backordered.
PCmall has them at 449 + shipping for the PE
glad you got your A8V working. hope you didn't fry a HD like I did
wow, only took 5 days to negate the 6 weeks of bad mouthing that board. Nice selective "i actualy like to test stuff first" attitude. :thumbsup: Guess it shouldnt be avoided like the plague anymore eh?Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
Ok Drama Queen...let's get back to the topic, shall we?
After testing the A8V Deluxe and the GA-K8NSNXP-939 for 3 days I'd say the A8V is the better of the two for most people. The Gigabyte is good for those users who love to solder (board is total crap overclocker without vmods. Also, the Gigabyte BIOS is retarded. It defaults to stupid RAM timings, and when it crashes it crashes hard. The Asus defaults to proper timings, has a much better BIOS (crashproof works very well), much better voltages without modding, has better tools, the RAID is easier to set up and it has more features than the Gigabyte. You MUST run the beta BIOS however, as locks are manditory or you will FRY your SATA drives!!!
The more I play with the A8V the more I like it! That's the sign of a good board, and I've always had luck with Asus boards. The K8V was the first and best board for the S754 for a long time. The SK8V was incredible, and the A8V looks to be a winner also.;)
iboomalot:
JUMP ON IT!!!
:up:
i guess at least you got it working.
My position has not changed. The S754 stuff is a much better deal. The fact that the A8V is better than the GA-K8NSNXP-939 does not mean S939 is better than S754. S939 still has major issues, but the FX-53 is a monster. I still recommend S754 for the best value.
It took me almost 3 days to finally figure out what was causing the problems with the A8V. If I didn't like Asus so much I would probably have given up after the first day. It has issues and unless you REALLY know your $hit or you do not plan to overclock much the A8V should be avoided.
This has always been my position.
congrats, once again sucessfully imposed your opinion on a unrelated topic that no one asked for. its a shame it has nothing to do the discussion at hand. Lets try and stay on topic shall we?
What's the matter? You mad because ThreadCrapper420 was already taken? Please STFU!
A8V is a bad overcloaker??
Iam getting nearly a 450 OC and only limits my board has is
2.8vdimm limit not 3.1
275 FSB stability limt
which isn't that bad.
yes, i really did want that name but someone must have taken it:rolleyes: . It is nice to see how you respond to comments extremely similar to what comes out of your own trap. Also nice defensive slandering style you got there, nearly as amusing as you pointing to your 3dmark01 score as if it somehow justifies your behavior. And don't presume that your own level of self importance or your 3dmark score intimidates me enough to not voice my opinions just like cant expect it from you.
I would actually be surprised if anyone thought your opinions had the same amount of value you think they do. Your opinions don't carry any more weight than anyone else(myself included) and less than many others to me yet you toss them out there as casual facts. You denounce the board for 4 or 5 weeks after only seeing it being messed with for a few hours, further that the day you get the board only to change your position 2 days later. If you give up on misbehaving hardware after only 1 day if its not from a brand you happen to like i wonder how many bad decisions you have effected? After 3 days your confident enough to give a generalized evaluation of the a8v as if you have batch tested it and had enough time to solve any teething problems or turn up new problems, disregarding and even arguing other users experiences as it were advice on stock quotes from the homeless guy washing your windshield.
No one ever claimed the a8v was the perfect board. Users who report working boards have seemed to be detached enough to see that enough users were having problems to own up to that fact. You on the other side of the fence could not and claimed it was the devils board or some other cursed example of hardware that should be avoided at all costs up until today, a whole 3 days after you get to mess with one.
Everything that comes out of your mouth needs to be taken with a grain or salt or disregarded as bias/uninformed all together it seems. Your in my opinion proving yourself to be the most dangerous and distracting type of individual who posts on these types of forums. A elitist with infallible knowledge that also has the aparent need to force these opinions on anyone and everyone, if they asked for them or not with disregard to if it had any relevance on the subject at hand or not, completely saturated with there own self importance.
I honestly feel bad for anyone who has been burned because they let you sway there decision making if the pattern you have shown in this case has been consistent in the past.
Im sorry if this is hurtfull or a bruise to your ego. But this is my opinion and presented as such but you haven't done anything to change it, and in fact only strengthened it. My opinion of you personally aside I cant in good conscience not word caution or give a counter opinion about comments like the ones you make on a daily basis when they are blatantly generalized and presented as facts incorrectly, if i didn't i might as well be yet another monday morning benchmarker/ mindless fanboy trolling around.
I give people my thoughts and ideas on things not to tell them what to do but to give them another opinion or avenue of thought and present them as such because in the end even if my way was always the best way and everything i say was right people still need and have the ability to come to conclusions themselves and unlike you i still give people that much credit. That is what these forums are designed for, not mindless boasting of there 3dmark scores or preaching hardware 101 according to them and only them as you seem to think but a collection of ideas, information and opinions to actualy help eachother with this hobby.
Its a shame this forums as such a bad reputation as there are quite a few people on here that have something worth while to say imho but unfortunatly those that dont more often than not speak louder and more forcefully than those that do. In the process turn away people from hanging around long enough to give or ask help. A waste of one of the best information resources on the internet.
I have the Asus A8V with the 3800+ and so far loving it. Overclocks like a raped ape. I really like the adaptive overclock feature.
:banana:
Well show us some 2k1 benches so we can see what a raped ape overclocks like. I bet many here have not seen that.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by thompson5439
I have the Asus A8V with the 3800+ and so far loving it. Overclocks like a raped ape. I really like the adaptive overclock feature.
:banana:
Mongoose420:
As soon as I saw the length of your last post I quit reading and will continue to ignore all future posts by you until you stop trying to hijack threads in order to right the wrong that you are so certain I have done you. Get over it sweatheart...life's too short!;)
I reccommend MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
Thats fine storm, your perfectly entitled to do so. Only the first and last paragraph were for your benefit anyway. The rest of it was for everyone elses. :toast:
Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
I'm testing the Gigabyte this weekend. I won't be vmodding it though. I think as long as the Gigabyte is not modded the mosfets should hold up. DO NOT BUY THE ASUS A8V!!! Remember, I am a huge ASUS fanboy. The original K8V was great! The SK8V is f__king brilliant! The A8V?:down:
Damn I didn't realize you flip flopped like Kerry's voting record :DQuote:
Originally posted by StormPC
The more I play with the A8V the more I like it! That's the sign of a good board, and I've always had luck with Asus boards. The K8V was the first and best board for the S754 for a long time. The SK8V was incredible, and the A8V looks to be a winner also.;)
sorry couldn't resist ;)
serious:: what did you change to make your A8V go from a zero to a hero ??
this afternoon i Was benching , and i heard "tic" in my PC, and freezed.
I was 1,9v gpu. ambient temp 35° C
Look at this : this component desoldered himself :/ and he fall on my SCSI card , i burned my hands and my carpet with it :D
http://pageperso.aol.fr/misteroadster/X800fuked1.JPG
i resoldered it , and it work again :)
I stop my OC for the moment. :rolleyes:
i Had 31970 at 2820 mhz 257X11 , it's not so bad but i thought do better , perhaps My OS was hurt.
VC freq was : 641/634 16P
Gpu looks like voltage: with 1,9v i was able to bench at 652.
But i had to stop , Fu.... component. :mad:
I think the upper 33's is beyond likelihood but a score that matches a good 3700+ would be a result in itself!Quote:
Originally posted by misteroadster
yes it's a giga pro vivo@XT PE but with 1,6vgu :(
Edit :in fact, i decide to beat you on the ORB with 3500+ and Pro card; it will be better.
if i beat you you're wrong :rolleyes::stick:
Another StormPCism:rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
Nobody said it was "heinous", but there you go asking it again. THEY'RE ALL THE SAME CORE. AMD just disables certain features depending on the needs for quantity on certain CPUs. There really is no physical difference between the Opteron, FX, S939 and S754 except for the packages they are in and the features that are enabled. There have been revisions of cores, yes, but the names "ClawHammer and SledgeHammer" do not refer to physical products as much as they define features of the different configurations.;)
Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
No, it's like saying the 3700+ is closer to the FX-53 than the 3800+ because they have the same Clawhammer core, even though CPUz identifies the S939 FX as a Sledgehammer. The 3700+ and S939 FX-53 are Clawhammers. Only the 940 pin chips are true Sledgehammers.
EDIT: should read previous posts better sometimes...
Good job misteroadster. How about some links to your scores?
Wow, almost 32k. Impressive, but nothing compaired to the 3700+. With a much lower FSB, 2T command rate, WAY lower card clocks, and crappy car runs I still pulled well over 33k, and could have done much better.
You want to see the difference cache makes?
This is a 100% aircooled run I just did with my new gaming rig. These are my 24/7 settings. HOLY $HIT!!! A little less than 222x12 running 1:1.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8019914
I think it's the #1 aircooled 2k1 score!
What about your card clocks, StormPC? How much in numbers is "way lower"?
Greetz, Flox
My card is aircooled with no vmem mod, only vgpu (1.55v). Because of this my VC RAM takes a crap at 615 (if i run higher it either crashes or gets a lower score) and I can't run my GPU higher than 625, but the 33800 run is 612/612. The all aircooled run is 618/612. Compare that to his 641/634 (and yes he is running 16 pipes). Thats huge, and compare my FSB (251/2T on PC, 222/1T on air) to his 257. Then there's the fact that he's got 157MHz on my aircooled score. With 2k1 these speed differences really make a difference.
I don't see why nobody seems to understand how bad it is to rip half the cache out of a CPU. Look at the Duron vs XP, Celeron vs P4C, P4C vs P4EE...CACHE IS F@#KING HUGE!!!!
i sense the love in this thread
you know what else is huge... besides cache?
sliced bread, mhmm.
Nice card clocks for air cooling...Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
My card is aircooled with no vmem mod, only vgpu (1.55v). Because of this my VC RAM takes a crap at 615 (if i run higher it either crashes or gets a lower score) and I can't run my GPU higher than 625, but the 33800 run is 612/612. The all aircooled run is 618/612. Compare that to his 641/634 (and yes he is running 16 pipes). Thats huge, and compare my FSB (251/2T on PC, 222/1T on air) to his 257. Then there's the fact that he's got 157MHz on my aircooled score. With 2k1 these speed differences really make a difference.
I don't see why nobody seems to understand how bad it is to rip half the cache out of a CPU. Look at the Duron vs XP, Celeron vs P4C, P4C vs P4EE...CACHE IS F@#KING HUGE!!!!
This is the comparison I wanted to have...with clear statement of clocks.
When you compare 3400+ and 3500+ (didn´t find 3700+ vs. 3800+), they are almost eqal in most benchmarks on most review sites.
But I always wondered which one scales better with increasing clockspeeds...comparing your results, everyone can get his own answer to this.
I had a Duron and I know the impact on performance due to reduced cache...but duron hat no compensation in form of DC...
Greetz, Flox
P.S.:
Macci has 32323 with a watercooled A64@2.66GHz and XT with stock-cooler @610/611...just confirms your result. ;)
here are the links :
2K3 :http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2876729
2k1 :http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8018179
Nice...despite the better S754-results.Quote:
Originally posted by misteroadster
here are the links :
2K3 :http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2876729
2k1 :http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8018179
Anyway...I´ll stick some weeks to my good old TBred and have a look what is behind the speculations about the S939 A64 3600+.
Not really.Quote:
Originally posted by iboomalot
Damn I didn't realize you flip flopped like Kerry's voting record :D
sorry couldn't resist ;)
serious:: what did you change to make your A8V go from a zero to a hero ??
When you consider it took me 3 days to sort out all of the quirks and issues the A8V has and couple that with the fact that ASUS admits the VIA chipset with locks does not work properly it's not unreasonable to draw the conclusions I did. The problem is that ASUS was not 100% forthcoming with the information. I have since learned that if you set up the A8V in certain ways and avoid doing certain things it is 100% rock solid stable. As a matter of fact the release BIOS is far less stable than the beta with locks when overclocking. Just one of the many things I learned about the board over a 3 day testing period.
It's a great board but not for everyone. I still believe the S754 is the best platform especially for the money. DC is nice but 1MB cache is more important. Only the FX-53 is faster than the 3700+ so far, and it's not what I'd call a lot faster.;)
Well I think the lower 32's are beyond likelihood.Quote:
Originally posted by OC Detective
I think the upper 33's is beyond likelihood but a score that matches a good 3700+ would be a result in itself!
Another StormPCism:rolleyes:
The difference between what I think and what you think is that I am in the top 10-20 benchers in the world and you are not.
Another difference between you and I is that you have not even attempted to help in a single post that I have seen, opting instead to do nothing but quote others out of context in order to make yourself look smart because you are actually not at all.
Try having an original thought once in awhile. And knock of the sarcasm. It doesn't work well on the internet.:shakes:
Aww diddums did your rattle fall out of the pram? Yet again you feel that because you are in the top 20 of the Orb (oh gee lets all bow to the master) your thinking is somewhat different to others? Does this mere achievement somehow expand your brain capability, capacity and cognitive thinking? You merely re-affirm what others say about you in that one sentence! As to helping people - perpetuating the myth that the 3700 (same applies to 3400 v 3500) was somehow superior to the 3800 is erroneous at best. Whilst I will accede that with extreme cooling that may be the case - for those with good air or water that is most certainly not the case in a large proportion of cases. The reason being naturally that extreme cooling systems "level the playing field" in terms of the upper limits of overclocking hence if both a 3700 and 3800 reach the same Mhz then naturally the 3700 wins in 3DM2K1. What seems to be beyond your comprehension is that the majority of users on these fora do not own such extreme cooling systems.
Out of context? - I dont think so - show me where anything has been edited - face it you change like the wind to suit your own personal set of circumstances - I have plenty more "quotes" should you require them. I think you seriously need to get over yourself. No sarcasm required....... NEXT!
You mean my extreme STOCK aircooling? Even my aircooled scores are #23 overall in 2k1 and #14 in 2k3. Yes, my PC cooled CPU scores are slightly higher, but my aircooled 24/7 rig beats most of the PC cooled computers on the ORB.
The second fastest score ever on 2k1 was achieved by OPP with a 3700+. A 3800+ will NEVER get within 2000 points of that score. The 3800+ is considerably weaker. I'm surprised you don't know more about this stuff coming from the overclocking capital of the world (Malaysia).:ROTF:
Congrats! Yet another rediculous and totally useless post from you. :rolleyes:
BTW: Until you actually try Xtreme cooling and do something you have no idea what it takes to accomplish what these guys have. I have only tried phase-change a couple of times and I'm telling you it's not easy at all. That's why I laugh at noobs like you who think you are on equal terms with the top overclockers in the world. YOU ARE NOT! That does not mean you are less of a person, but it DOES mean that your opinions concerning overclocking do not carry the same weight as those of the guys who are actually doing it. This is an overclockers forum, not a psuedo-intellectual psycho-babble forum. :shakes:
After playing with PC a little I have about 1000% more respect for the guys at the top of the ORB than I did before. You should try it and then you'll know what I'm talking about.;)
What No23 air cooled with your 3700+? Or are we talking about the FX - something that I did not even mention? Yet you bring up Opps 3700 - hmm was that air cooled - er no! Try and focus on what I am discussing here - that is general cooled 3800 v general cooled 3700 or is that too difficult for someone like yourself. You seem to wish to ignore the posts on various fora that show the Newcastle will typically clock further than the Clawhammer under such cooling. BTW do you think I am a "noob" based on the number of posts I have here - or is your rationale based on something else? Yet again you show yourself up with such immature statements. As for being on equal terms - are you talking about general knowledge or are you talking specifically about extreme cooling? Does having the ability to use extreme cooling make someone more knowledgable about cpus, systems and general overclocking - or are we talking about a narrow field? Your vast knowledge clearly didnt hold you in good stead when you were :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:ing and moaning about your Asus - talk about impatient and irrational! Does that come naturally when you are so pretentious? I made a clear statement about the 3800+ v 3700+ with general cooling yet you choose to throw in your FX53 and an extreme cooled 3700+ (which I have already accepted will be superior under extreme cooling if you chose to read full sentences - or do you need me to draw a diagram?). I would prefer you gave a more balanced retort to my statement than that unless it is beyond your capability! You once again seem unable to grasp the fact that there are a multitude of overclockers out there who dont use extreme cooling and are looking for a more neutral and considered opinion on the merits of 939 Newcastle v 754 Clawhammer.
As for overclocking capital of the world - yup you got me there...... NEXT!
You're not a noob because of your post count, you're a noob because you don't know WTF you're talking about.
WTF is "general cooled"? Is that way better than Captain or Private cooled?:ROTF:
Don't you think you've crapped in this thread enough? Perhaps you should PM me if you want to continue this rediculous babbling. :rolleyes:
LOL...always with the pi...funny! What, no buffered Sandra memory benches?
Nobody disputes the fact that DC helps pi calcs and memory bandwidth, and if that's all you do with your computer then the DC Newcastles are fine. They are still pricey though compared to the S754 Clawhammers and slower in everything that doesn't benefit greatly from DC, like most day to day programs.
You seem to be attempting to prove something but I can't figure out what that is. Is there any way you could just like tell us or something?
I already told you the Cache makes for a small gain.
with equal clocks depending on the test either one can win. Just putting a light on your comments how crappy the DC stuff is.
couple frames in doom3 or 3Dmark doesn't make it a bad chip. Also the NC seems to OC better thus giving it a better overall rating when in normal conditions.
just for balance here is a link showing the cache beating out DC
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2149&p=7
as you can plainly see the 1MB units crushing the DC units by a "HUGE" margin :rolleyes: :ROTF:
oh ya on the prices a 1MB 754 is only 50.00 less than a 3500+ another HUGE difference. I will say the 3700 is a nice buy vs the 3800 but then again the 3400 or 3500 can be overclocked for a nice savings.
A small gain??? Here's my 3700+ in OPP's hands.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postid=511554
You won't be seeing a Newcastle (not even with quad channels) doing this.
I didn't say DC is crappy. I said Newcastle is over-priced and handicapped by a lack of cache. I'm glad you like yours though. My next door neighbor loves his Celeron too.:lol:
assuming the 3400+ is actually not in production in 1MB version, and that the few left around are all there is. Then the CHEAPEST 1mb clawhammer you can get is the 3700+, whereas the cheapest 939 chip you can get is the 3500+. SO why is s754 + clawhammer so much cheaper and teh better option? IN 90% of cases, apps, games the dual channel DOES make up for the lack of cache, and levels the playing field. THough being honest, comparing the 3400+ 1mb and 3500+ the 3500+ is only by a tiny amount, but still, it is ahead in MOST areas. SO if the 3500+ can beat the 3400+ 1MB, then it will be quite a bit ahead when it comes to a 3400+ 512KB. If thats the case then HOW in gods name is it the better platform? Offficially the 3500+ will be $50 more and a noticeably margin faster.
AS for what you were going on about with asus boards. EVERY single person in this thread can see what a completely devoted brilliant overclocker you are, in that it took you days on end to find the "bugs" in the asus board which somehow detered oh Mr Wonderful #23 from doing well.
Funny, plenty of unexperienced overclockers did really well with it straight away, yet you, who knows ever so much more than all of us, being #23 and all, didn't find it as easy?
either way, you clearly had trouble with it, got the gigabyte, had even more trouble, gave up, went back to the asus, finally worked out something and now claim its the dogs bollocks. THough when someone points out you saying its now a great board, you decide to say its not great anymore, just good enough........or something. you'll change you're mind again by the time i look back in this thread, probably two or three times.
wow, its really amazing, you buy all the top gear, costing lots of money, and get a decent score, can't figure out how that one works.
overpriced you say again, with your, what now $550 and was something like $700 cpu? when the 3500+ iswhat $330, was around $450?
How much increase in speed does the 4 pipes give you from pro-xt with everything else equal? honestly don't know, wanna estimate what this rig can do with an xt in.
in opps hands LOL whats the matter can't run your own stuff??
gotta get one of the real OCers to get your stuff fast???
yep I like my 939 Celeron will run circles around your 754 P4 for nearly 1/2 the cost in processing power. I can understand why you hate Pi testing it puts all the power into the CPU.
most of the tests you care about are mainly GPU dependant.
yep you do great things with your GPU it shows in your tests and attitude.
Kinda funny you are using a FX-53 and X800 and aren't in the top 10 hummm I thought someone who likes to brag so much would atleast be in the top 5.
OPP and I have made some deals in the past. He needed a 3700+ to test the DFI properly so we did some trading. That is HIS 3700+, not mine. OPP runs his own rigs. He doesn't need to run other people's. The fact that he had both the 3500+ and 3800+ and never posted any scores at all should tell even the most braindead moron that they were not even worth his time. Keep in mind that OPP is a MOD on this board. If what I was saying was false I'm sure he would jump on it and correct me, as he rightfully should.
Sorry Masterdrunk, but I only give information to those who wish to know. We've already determined you do not wish to know. We have not determined with 100% certainty that this is the case with iboomalot, but if it is I won't be telling him anything either. That's why I asked what he is trying to prove or determine.
Update:
It has now been determined. Have fun in Fantasyland gentlemen!:wierd:
Storm you give no info sorry I won't ask a third time what you did to fix your a8v
I asked twice and even started a thread addressed to you and NOTHING.
Only thing Iam proving is 754 or 939 both stomp the P4EE in gaming and thus are a great buy either one you get.
no its ok iboomalot, its our fault, we specifically said in our posts don't tell us anything, don't find a review that proves that the 1mb cache beats the newcastle 939 more often than not. I mean why would he link a review, reviews mean nothing, unless you can afford to buy every chip youself and test yourself you won't know anything.
I mean, i ask you iboomalot, reviews are crap, theres simple no point you know that.
On a separate matter Storm, hows the reviewing going?
Storm,
Give it up. Pat yourself on the back and continue the great work you are doing.
What was this thread about anyway????
iboomalot, I'ts alreadly been proven that pifast/superpi only use the CPU clock speed, regardless of cache/dual-channel...clock for clock, S939 is roughly the same as S754.
As for 3DM01, S754 1MB is much faster, and, i've already proven that to you as well. My 1MB S754 @ 2.4GHz (Stock 9800Pro) is only 200pts behind your 3500+ @ 2.6GHz+ (overclocked 9700Pro)
Heck, even DooM III makes use of the extra cache...
And as I pointed out before, the 3700+ is not the only 1MB cache S754, my 3000+ is as well, it's guaranteed to be that way, and was only $226...
How does 3500+ win ? I don't see ...
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Originally posted by LilGator
iboomalot, I'ts alreadly been proven that pifast/superpi only use the CPU clock speed, regardless of cache/dual-channel...clock for clock, S939 is roughly the same as S754.
As for 3DM01, S754 1MB is much faster, and, i've already proven that to you as well. My 1MB S754 @ 2.4GHz (Stock 9800Pro) is only 200pts behind your 3500+ @ 2.6GHz+ (overclocked 9700Pro)
Heck, even DooM III makes use of the extra cache...
And as I pointed out before, the 3700+ is not the only 1MB cache S754, my 3000+ is as well, it's guaranteed to be that way, and was only $226...
How does 3500+ win ? I don't see ...
How did you get a 3000+ processor with 1 MB L2 cache?
it's a mobile cpu , runs at 1.8ghz stock I think
Yup :) the Egg is out of stock of that one at the moment I think ...
the 2800+ 1MB is $175, 3200+ 1MB is only $249 I think.
and he is limited to 2500 mhz or lower because he can't get more than 1.7volts and I can run 2500 mhz with less than 1.6v.
yep your 9800pro with a better R350/360 core at faster speeds outruns my 3500+ using a R300 core GPU
I suppose when you have XT flash that gives 200-300 points + add in the fact you run windows 2000 instead of XP , run only directX 8.1 instead of 9.0 which is worth points and Iam sure that having your FSB at 340+ had nothing to do with it either :rolleyes:
I also posted a higher 01se score at 2550 thats 300ish points more than the 2600 just by lowering my ram timings some more.
I would bet I could match or beat your scores toe for toe with a 9800pro and a mobo thats not limited to 300mhz and same OS and DX8.1 I have no doubt in it.
either way just proves A64 mobile , s754 or s939 all are very close.
saying any of these A64s are much slower or faster is just red!ck. Only thing thats even remotely faster is the FX since it has both cache and DC.
So what's your point ? Talk all you want, but you haven't beaten my score yet.
Heck, you're on water too, forgot to mention that again ;)
XT flash does absolutely nothing for 2K1 score.
Are you saying your overclocked-to-the-max 9700Pro, can't even match a stock 9800Pro ? That's pretty sad...
Memory speed was exactly the same as yours. (220MHz) Same timings.
And even if they are 'close' as you might think, these S754 mobiles are $100-$175 cheaper than the 3500+, much less the 3800+.
The fact that your motherboard can't do this, and can't do that, only proves my point further...S754 boards don't have problems 939 boards do.
EDIT: What, you can't spell r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s ?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postid=511554
Yah, that S754 3700+ up there looks waaaay behind the FX-53 :rolleyes:
Show me a 3800+ that scores the same...
Then we are talking about equal priced chips ;)
I personally don't see the point in this pissing contest. I own both Opps older 3800+, and an FX53(for now). I will be trading in the FX53 and taking the restocking fee hit and getting a 3500+. Why??? b/c for me the FX53 isn't worth the price premium. Yes it is faster, yes it will bench faster, I'm not debating that. However, my 3800+ will also run at 2940mhz(probably more with added vcore) and just flat out flies in everything I need it to. I bench occasionally, but am generally grounded in reality. Does it run my games/os/applications as fast as I want???? that is what I'm after. To me I can't "see" a difference running my machine with the 3800+ oc'd to 2940mhz to my FX53@2850mhz(tops for cpu). If I bench, yeah the FX still wins. If I would have payed full price for teh 3800+, I agree probably not a good deal. But I didn't pay full price for the 3800+ and I did pay full price for the FX. I personally think the 939 setups feel a bit snappier once setup properly, compared to my 754setups(although they were at 2.4-2.65ghz). Maybe it's psychological. I dunno, I just feel that my 3800+ feels like the fastest computer I've ever had the privalige to operate. My FX53 feels similarly as fast, but to me I actually prefer the 3800+ b/c I know I have about $300 less in the cpu. That's just me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just hope we can all agree the A64 either 754 or 939 stomps the P4 :)
Of course, no arguments about P4 :p:
BLAHHH water why do you even bring that up
I could probly run a bench with my water turned off at the 2400 1.5v runs LOL
I run water because its quiet I guess if you think a 7-10c loaded improvement makes a big difference so be it.
as far as my old POS 9700pro vs your 9800pro you still haven't shown ONE shred of evidence of your scores.
I would love to see your nature scores on your runs. 340+ FSB LOL Its my fault for not giving enough specs should have said FSB less than 280 and locks set at 66/33 and probly should have given Vdmm and other limits for an accurate test.
I'll admit the s754 is faster in doom3 its proven in this test.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2149&p=7
I conceed the LESS than ONE point advantage the cache gives at Equal clocks.
See gator I don't care if I beat your score since you won't post it. Not to hard upload it to ORB and post a link. So far your screen print showing your timings upped my score by 300 points and your FSB high as a kit is impressive but shows another reason unrelated to your CPU is faster.
lets see a real comparison timings , clocks , fsb , and same GPU settings. I will have a handicap of R300 core and POS GEIL ram and not having win2000 or direct 8.1 loaded but I could careless. I just wanted the most accurate comparison which you can't seem to give unless you are "winning".
Put your pride or ego to the side and just do an accurate comparison and post it so I can see it. not a big deal but sure seems to be difficult for you to do. Which IMO is "r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s"
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oh yes piss on intel :D
Dude, my high score is in my sig...
There is no such thing as FSB on A64.
Pride and ego have nothing to do with it. My video card and hard drive are shared with my 24/7 system (Tbred) which is set up right now, its a pain to rip it down, go get a table for the A64 stuff to bench. Not to mention my monster of a 21'' monitor :/
You can't keep clocking everything down, because in the end, everything becomes the bottleneck, and the compare is pointless.
Bench to your max, i'll bench to mine. Give me that 9700Pro and i'll rip your score to shreds, with my 'inferior' S754 setup...
putting words into my mouth again
I never said your s754 was inferior or bad or anthing.
Iam simply showing the DC 939 rocks with the best of them.
hell some guy with a T-bred has higher nature scores than me stk vs stk. now thats sad. He!!, even OCed until it crashes or artifacts I can't get over 125 on Nature. Oh well been playing nearly 2 yrs on this card and got me this far. Just hope my 800XT gets me by for another 2yrs too.
my nature scores 1600 mhz or 2600 mhz doesn't change so its the card not my CPU.
whats your top aquamark3 CPU score??? mine is just under 12,000
doesn't 2k03 have a CPU test in it??? might have to try that.
I've never messed with either of those, may be worth a shot...
Do you have to pay to get the CPU test in 2K3 ? I always hit escape, never used the other tests...