vaporware!!!Quote:
Originally posted by p4z1f1st
where is the PR ?!?! :stick:
all bigger review-sites checked but not even a rumor.... :( :confused:
J/K
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vaporware!!!Quote:
Originally posted by p4z1f1st
where is the PR ?!?! :stick:
all bigger review-sites checked but not even a rumor.... :( :confused:
J/K
maybe they are letting Nvidia launch this thing...
if so, we'll see it in about 90 days, from launch day.
LOL ^
Guys have faith..i told you today and its up today ;)
It ships real soon..as promised.
Price?
Sounds like a great innovation :)
wahaaa, i'll buy it :) :) :) :banana:
still no price?
It's a great idea, and I'm the first in line to say "Congrat's" but for me at least... if these modules are any more than maybe $50/pair I'll just keep doing hard mods....
C
Charlie you only need 1..and it should be around what most want to pay....its not $100 as many are reporting but i can't give the price away just yet...Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
still no price?
It's a great idea, and I'm the first in line to say "Congrat's" but for me at least... if these modules are any more than maybe $50/pair I'll just keep doing hard mods....
C
According to the official picture on the OCZ site, it looks like it's still being fed from the molex connectors. And if so, wouldn't 90 degree female molex sockets work better? There could be clearance issues between your installed RAM and the molex power wires with the current setup.Quote:
Also this is fed off the ATX connector, don't be fooled by the molex lines....the final version WILL look different to mine.
From the orientation of the notch you can put it on the second channel towards the edge of the mobo. It doesnt face the memory modules installed.
That doesn't appear to be the case with the Shuttle AN50R. I guess you could try to use it in DIMM 1 and use your two sticks of ram in 2 and 3 respectively as long as they are single sided as I believe that the Shuttle (and maybe all Athlon64 boards) allow only single sided dimms in DIMM 3. Could be wrong about that but the orientation shows that the molex and adjustability knob will be in the way on the Shuttle.
By the way BT. Have you gotten one of these to WF for testing yet? I would love to see a review on it soon.
Oh I see, the module thingy feed ALL the slots the same voltage....Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
Charlie you only need 1..and it should be around what most want to pay....its not $100 as many are reporting but i can't give the price away just yet...
Can you say >$100 or <$100
C
everyone seems to think it will be around $45 area.
Half the price and twice as nice;)
That would be good. When and where?Quote:
Originally posted by trueplaya4ever8
everyone seems to think it will be around $45 area.
If it was sold as a kit for assembly for cheap, i'd buy it.
I'll take one :D
OCZ,
Can you guys make one of these gadgets for V-Core? :D
OPP
when he says, that it's not 100$ so i would think, that he means "not >100$"Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
Oh I see, the module thingy feed ALL the slots the same voltage....
Can you say >$100 or <$100
C
Well, actually.. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
OCZ,
Can you guys make one of these gadgets for V-Core? :D
OPP
yeah with AN50R http://fileshosts.com/AMD/boards/Shu...AN50R_022.htmlQuote:
Originally posted by Fried_Spam
That doesn't appear to be the case with the Shuttle AN50R. I guess you could try to use it in DIMM 1 and use your two sticks of ram in 2 and 3 respectively as long as they are single sided as I believe that the Shuttle (and maybe all Athlon64 boards) allow only single sided dimms in DIMM 3. Could be wrong about that but the orientation shows that the molex and adjustability knob will be in the way on the Shuttle.
By the way BT. Have you gotten one of these to WF for testing yet? I would love to see a review on it soon.
you would only be able to use 1 dimm slot with this device oriented like in the pic on OCZ's site since dimm slot 1 is the best slot on AN50R
Remember the pot and power connectors will be vertical on the next units( as far as i know) so it should be easier to use.We are looking at an A64 754 version also..stay tuned for more on that.
trueplaya4ever8 your very close to the price ;)
Opp...vcore maybe a little harder but we have talked about it ;)
Fried_Spam we will have review samples going out soon and we will be targetting these at know overclockers etc for review.
ah thats right, intel boards dimms are reversed from amd boards(or at least all 5 of mine). So anyone with nf2 or s939 boards that want to keep dual channel will have to wait for the other version? ratz
What about the "screen" (lak of a better word for that voltmesuring thingy). Will that be vertical to? Or is it fairly easy to read of the voltage as it is?
A64 version? You mean to address these layout issues bigtoe? Hope you can use this thing on different boards no problem.
Again I have to ask if it can help A64's lives over 3.0v. The molex just power your unit or instead provide some boost? That would keep it alive... I think.
I must not be thinking straight why would this not work on A64 boards?
i dont think it will help A64's live. what is does is exactly the same as a normal vmod. it feeds a higher voltage into the correct pins on one slot, and everything connected to those traces (the rest of the dimm's AND the A64's memory controller).
Is it not compatible with A64 ? , or is it because u can set it to 3.9v and fried the cpu ( if so i set the max to 3.2 )
Unless there is something between the dimms and memory controller that would stop reverse current. Maybe there's diode's or something. I'm speculating here, but hey, it's possible.Quote:
Originally posted by enzoR
i dont think it will help A64's live. what is does is exactly the same as a normal vmod. it feeds a higher voltage into the correct pins on one slot, and everything connected to those traces (the rest of the dimm's AND the A64's memory controller).
Edit: and btw, if this thing costs $40-$50, I'm so making my own. I've started inquiring at places about prototyping boards that would fit into the memory slot.
Yeah@right.sure I really don't think you can solder that for cheaper than 50
$
He could just find the pins that supply voltage and solder right to them. Would be much cheaper (No need for a blank dimm to build on). Finding the blank dimms seems the only difficult (and pricey) part of building your own. Of course it only matters if it turns out to be true that the voltage given by this device is cleaner than the voltage from a vdimm mod. If it isn't they'll just keep doing vdimm mods.Quote:
Originally posted by Crankster
Yeah@right.sure I really don't think you can solder that for cheaper than 50
$
Yes, I know I could just solder right to the pins on the back of the board, but I think the whole stick it into the slot idea is pretty nifty.Quote:
Originally posted by Lithan
He could just find the pins that supply voltage and solder right to them. Would be much cheaper (No need for a blank dimm to build on). Finding the blank dimms seems the only difficult (and pricey) part of building your own. Of course it only matters if it turns out to be true that the voltage given by this device is cleaner than the voltage from a vdimm mod. If it isn't they'll just keep doing vdimm mods.
What, you think I'm going to charge myself $100/hour for soldering? Or do you not believe me how simple this is?Quote:
Yeah@right.sure I really don't think you can solder that for cheaper than 50
$
Maybe it will keep the A64 alive. This thing could be feeding voltage direct to the ram throu the dimm slots and that's it. I think the MC stays out of the "circuit" here, because you are not actualy modding the voltage regulator. The voltage is being fed from another source.Quote:
Originally posted by enzoR
i dont think it will help A64's live. what is does is exactly the same as a normal vmod. it feeds a higher voltage into the correct pins on one slot, and everything connected to those traces (the rest of the dimm's AND the A64's memory controller).
You're feeding it into the motherboard, and in turn the motherboard feeds the extra voltage into the other dimms.Quote:
Originally posted by Malves
Maybe it will keep the A64 alive. This thing could be feeding voltage direct to the ram throu the dimm slots and that's it. I think the MC stays out of the "circuit" here. Because you are not actualy modding the voltage regulator. The voltage is being fed from another source.
Unless there's a one-way voltage line, then this voltage should go everywhere vdimm mod voltages go. Vdimm mod voltage eventually get's where this thing's voltage starts.Quote:
Originally posted by Malves
Maybe it will keep the A64 alive. This thing could be feeding voltage direct to the ram throu the dimm slots and that's it. I think the MC stays out of the "circuit" here. Because you are not actualy modding the voltage regulator. The voltage is being fed from another source.
Does high vdimm kill cpus on motherboards using the 5vline for vdimm? As in, is it possible a high 3.3v line kills chips and not a high vdimm?
So you only require one of these to run more voltage to all dimms installed? I am getting confused....
Or do you need to have one for each stick of ram that is going to be installed??? ie 2dimms = 2 ddr boosters? I wouldnt mind loosing 1 of my dimms but half of my capacity would be gone if you need to pair these up ???
New revision for ddr2? Assuming it reacts to volts in the same memory as ddr?
1. no, u just need one for ALL ram-sticks
2. let DDR2 come and then lets talk about it ;)
DDR2 will be fed with 1.8V....so, we all have to wait, till the first real DDR2-boards has come to the market....then lets see the OC
(ddr2-533mhz isn't good.....is cr*p.....wait to 667 or 800 :))
FYI, I contacted OCZ about the price and availability of the DDR booster. This is the response I got:
"Thank you for contacting OCZ Technology. We will make the first shipment around the first week of July to your favorite online stores. The MSRP for the device is $49.99. You can expect the street price to be less than that."
Quote:
Originally posted by trueplaya4ever8
everyone seems to think it will be around $45 area.
I don't know the price OCZ will do for stores, but i do know that the booster will be available here in Portugal for 45€ to 49€ so the retail price in UK or France should be about 40€.Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
trueplaya4ever8 your very close to the price ;)
Here in Portugal will be 45€ to 49€ to public, that's for sure.
YEEEIII ! :)
PEANUTS FOR XTREME-BOOOOOOOOST :) :banana:
thank you OCZ for your damn-good products :toast:
I told you guys already my unit is beta or so and the final will be different.We are also addressing the A64 issue also..
You do need to be patient...the modules are coming.
Also guy we do have a patent on this idea...just so you know.
Don't take this as a flame, but patents cover processes, not ideas...
another question..
on a nforce 2 board (abit nfs v1.2) does this also changes the vtt? or we still have to mod that?
if we dont have to do the vtt..maybe i'll buy it :)
thanks a lot..
_zZz_
Did the testers notice alot of burned memory @ 4.2 (being that they dropped it down to 3.9)?
LOL, bigtoe, i was geting that guess from every1 on ocforums, i made an outrageous guess that it would $100. :p:Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
trueplaya4ever8 your very close to the price ;)
i dont kno how to solder, so this would be perfect for me, oh ya i am also very interested in the athlon 64 version ;)
AND the idea came right HEREQuote:
Originally posted by Eljefe62
Don't take this as a flame, but patents cover processes, not ideas...
basically OCZ is useing the 5v or 12v line, and added adjustment through voltage regulators. heck i could build the same minus the voltage monitoring for about 15 $. It'd just be a bit uglyer :p:
Don't take this as a flame...its covered ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Eljefe62
Don't take this as a flame, but patents cover processes, not ideas...
Nope thats not where we got the idea...the idea we used came 12months ago or so and has been developed over time.Quote:
Originally posted by enzoR
AND the idea came right HERE
basically OCZ is useing the 5v or 12v line, and added adjustment through voltage regulators. heck i could build the same minus the voltage monitoring for about 15 $. It'd just be a bit uglyer :p:
I told you we have lots of idea's...and many are just developing into product...
so the problem with athlon 64 is the memory controller?? think you could run 3.2 vdimm 24/7 without it dieing, i dont think i would much more than that...
earlier you said you "applied" for a patent. now you have one?Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
Also guy we do have a patent on this idea...just so you know.
Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
Well i can post some more info.
The unit is fully Patent applied for and has been for quite a while.
Can you post a link to the patent?Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
I told you guys already my unit is beta or so and the final will be different.We are also addressing the A64 issue also..
You do need to be patient...the modules are coming.
Also guy we do have a patent on this idea...just so you know.
thanks
I believe he meant it in the sense they have applied for it... Applied and having are very close.. thats why you often see "patent pending".. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by zabomb4163
earlier you said you "applied" for a patent. now you have one?
Applied and having are not close at all.Quote:
Originally posted by STEvil
I believe he meant it in the sense they have applied for it... Applied and having are very close.. thats why you often see "patent pending".. ;)
Patent or no patent, nice work OCZ ! Can't wait till it goes retail. :)
never been through the patent process, have ya? ;)Quote:
Originally posted by squeakygeek
Applied and having are not close at all.
I like it and I want one
They probably have a provisional patent and they can sell it and have a year to convert it into a full patent. So yes they would have a patent that is enforcable if this were true.
the fact they applied for a patent on this product BEFORE anyone else means a lot...... besides, who gives a :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:. we should b commending OCZ for their efforts! How many manufacturers actually put in that much effort for the overclockers?
Cheers bigtoe and OCZ, if I didn't hav a modded board i would get this as soon as it was released... at any rate, if my next board is compatible i WILL be gettings one!
Thanks alot :D
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With the NF7 being limited to inly 3.0v ( 2.9v overvolted ) on VDimm , this would really be useful for those that dont vmod ! All that would be missing is the Vdd ! :eek:
Vdd would not be missed much anyway, most of high fsb overclocks on nForce2 boards do not require more than 1.7-1.8 Vdd.Quote:
Originally posted by nOx34
With the NF7 being limited to inly 3.0v ( 2.9v overvolted ) on VDimm , this would really be useful for those that dont vmod ! All that would be missing is the Vdd ! :eek:
problem with NF7 is you would still have to do a Vtt mod cos it wont track automatically.
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XL1000V
are u sure on that? so i still have to do vtt mod :( and avoid the warranty.Quote:
Originally posted by Rabbi_NZ
problem with NF7 is you would still have to do a Vtt mod cos it wont track automatically.
_zZz_
So is there any ETA for the A64 version? Will it be very shortly after the original model is released? I want one for my MSI Neo Platinum NOWWWWWW!!!! :D
Ok it may be out soon in the US but what about the UK and the rest of europe?
I think, pc-memory-upgrade.co.uk might stock them pretty soon, as they're busily selling OCZ products.Quote:
Originally posted by JWB
Ok it may be out soon in the US but what about the UK and the rest of europe?
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.leach80/vdimm%20008.jpg
Just playing on the max3...VTT at this voltage is well off so its not stable but i though i would show you 3.9vdimm ;)
All VDD needs is a good pencil ;)Quote:
Originally posted by mrlobber
Vdd would not be missed much anyway, most of high fsb overclocks on nForce2 boards do not require more than 1.7-1.8 Vdd.
@ bigtoe: so, the max is now definitivly 3.9V ? you talked about something, that you all are playing with the idea "for the xtreme folks"....i mean "really" high vdimm liks >4.5V :)
p.s.: is that a Delta-fan on the RAM ? :slobber:
There will be a way of getting over 3.9V don't worry ;)Quote:
Originally posted by p4z1f1st
@ bigtoe: so, the max is now definitivly 3.9V ? you talked about something, that you all are playing with the idea "for the xtreme folks"....i mean "really" high vdimm liks >4.5V :)
p.s.: is that a Delta-fan on the RAM ? :slobber:
The fan is a 38mm papst 45cfm 80mm unit.
Can ram even handle above 3.9V?Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
There will be a way of getting over 3.9V don't worry ;)
The fan is a 38mm papst 45cfm 80mm unit.
I don't think anyone knows for sure :)Quote:
Originally posted by novagamer
Can ram even handle above 3.9V?
supposably winbond's max recomended voltage on bh-5 chips was 3.6v. I dont know that for sure tho and i'd hate to think what that would do to a a64 memory controller.
Such a shame that vtt doest go up with the vdimm, i think that will be the biggest turn off. Cos people who should buy this thing dont wanna do a mod, still have to do a mod to up their vtt. But many people dont even know what vtt is so beginning OC'ers will prob buy it anyway.
For me it wont be usefull cos i have a Max3, and this already has a problem with vtt, which requires a mod. I dont know how high you can get with a vtt thats way off. Anyone here know that?
The way I figure it (I also have a Max3), since I already have to mod the vtt this module will be useful because I don't want to mod my psu to give higher- 3.x voltages to my bh-5. Plus I can use it on other boards (if A64 compat. is worked out).Quote:
Originally posted by h0ok3r
Such a shame that vtt doest go up with the vdimm, i think that will be the biggest turn off. Cos people who should buy this thing dont wanna do a mod, still have to do a mod to up their vtt. But many people dont even know what vtt is so beginning OC'ers will prob buy it anyway.
For me it wont be usefull cos i have a Max3, and this already has a problem with vtt, which requires a mod. I dont know how high you can get with a vtt thats way off. Anyone here know that?
All mighty Hipro would be proud of this contraption :D
A few people here have run 4+ volts...Quote:
Originally posted by squeakygeek
I don't think anyone knows for sure :)
Hook3r , thats why im saying. I dont see the point of buying this product when they want you to do a vtt mod then i might as well do a vdimm myself and save 50 bucks. I read about this product on ocz web site and it talks how it eliminates the risks of vmoding the mobo's and stuff but dont mention anything about vtt being off center..........I think this product is gonna be useless in my opinion.....Quote:
Originally posted by h0ok3r
Such a shame that vtt doest go up with the vdimm, i think that will be the biggest turn off. Cos people who should buy this thing dont wanna do a mod, still have to do a mod to up their vtt. But many people dont even know what vtt is so beginning OC'ers will prob buy it anyway.
For me it wont be usefull cos i have a Max3, and this already has a problem with vtt, which requires a mod. I dont know how high you can get with a vtt thats way off. Anyone here know that?
For everyone that doesn't have a crappy Abit board this thing will work just fine. Sell your Abit and get a real board like the Asus P4C800 which has working VTT :p:Quote:
Originally posted by The Virus
Hook3r , thats why im saying. I dont see the point of buying this product when they want you to do a vtt mod then i might as well do a vdimm myself and save 50 bucks. I read about this product on ocz web site and it talks how it eliminates the risks of vmoding the mobo's and stuff but dont mention anything about vtt being off center..........I think this product is gonna be useless in my opinion.....
not all boards will need a vtt... as a general rule (correct me if im wrong here please) any board that tracks Vtt automatically after a VDimm mod will be able to use this module without the need for a Vtt.Quote:
Originally posted by The Virus
Hook3r , thats why im saying. I dont see the point of buying this product when they want you to do a vtt mod then i might as well do a vdimm myself and save 50 bucks. I read about this product on ocz web site and it talks how it eliminates the risks of vmoding the mobo's and stuff but dont mention anything about vtt being off center..........I think this product is gonna be useless in my opinion.....
Eg, P4C800E, SocketA DFIs, etc..
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Then you have to do the droop mod, for a great oc board :p:Quote:
Originally posted by Spec3
For everyone that doesn't have a crappy Abit board this thing will work just fine. Sell your Abit and get a real board like the Asus P4C800 which has working VTT :p:
yeah well my board doest do that after 2.8 volts so it requires a mod(you have to up it yurself)Quote:
Originally posted by Rabbi_NZ
not all boards will need a vtt... as a general rule (correct me if im wrong here please) any board that tracks Vtt automatically after a VDimm mod will be able to use this module without the need for a Vtt.
Eg, P4C800E, SocketA DFIs, etc..
i didnt know about other boards but i hoped that it would track automatically, cos then it would be usefull. Can anyone conform if this is true? (i dont think i can remember a vTT mod for the asus)
Edit: Yup just checked it its true, asus' vTT is dependent of the Vdimm.
Maybe i should get an asus, true........ Damnit damn reviewers so so damn postive about the abit, but its has a giant bug in it. But im just a poor student so ill mod my ic7 max3, a fully moded ic7 max3 rocks 2 you know. (still havent done it)
Still no insight onto whether this will keep A64's alive, or help to? Starting to assume no because people would be knocking down the doors to buy them if it would help but not a bleep about it so far, except of course for a lot of people asking ;) Hook us up Bigtoe!
I haven't looked into the whole A64 dying issue and what causes it because I have no plans to shell out the cash at this moment, but this isn't a miracle device. It would have the same result as soldering to the dimm pins on the back of the mobo. This device just makes the process a bit more user friendly.Quote:
Originally posted by texuspete2k2
Still no insight onto whether this will keep A64's alive, or help to? Starting to assume no because people would be knocking down the doors to buy them if it would help but not a bleep about it so far, except of course for a lot of people asking ;) Hook us up Bigtoe!
I want one BADLY!!!!!!!!!
It'll maybe push my Mushy 2-2-2 Special over 250mhz @ 2-2-2-11
i guess it won't help a tad.. the way i see it, the line from Vdimm-mosfet to dimm is split up and fed into the CPU Memctrl.. and this device provides voltage that is cut at the mosfet. The voltage in the memctrl will always be the same as vdimm.. UNLESS:
1) the mobomakers start making a cirquit dedicated to this Memctrl-voltage. I actually think Soltek did this on at least one board.. their K8T800 board. my friend has one, and we could not adjust vdimm. we found a setting called 2.5v select in bios. when set at 2.7 we could use vdimm up to, and maybe beyond 2.7. as we see this option has something to do with vdimm, but it is NOT the same. so with a vdimm-mod it may stay below 2.9.
2) we could do something ourselves. add diodes, cut traces and feed 2.9v or whatever.
I do not see this as a real problem, it is something that CAN be solved.
EDIT: a64 vdimm i mean ;)
Guys
VDD/VDDQ and Vref are altered on the dimm...i always thought VBT killed A64's...is that not correct?
VTT is supplied by the board and does not hit the dimm, so boards like the P4c800E do still track correctly, the IC7 does not.
My Alpha dimm is a little big so i just ordered all parts to bring it to final spec..it should fit A64 boards then. I can say we HAVE tested on A64 already with a VERY early sample and it was fine, i will however test again and post my findings here.
It will be like monday though maybe tuesday till i get some results, im decorating all weekend.
finally, we do hope to have some units available soon, we have had a small component supply issue that is now resloved so supply may be a day later than we planned.By the time modules are available we will have the board list up listing the boards we have tested.
Upto now I have tested.
P4P800E
P4C800E
IC7
IC7max3
DFI 875B (OVP on the board kicked in at 3.2V)
I will test more but I know you guys are looking for A64 results..so please hang in there.
How soon till DDR2 version?
I think you know why I am asking :D
OK..soldering iron out and dimm is modded (of a sort) so it fits A64 754.
Aopen AK89max..i ran upto 3.6vdimm but VTT does NOT track on this board so a VTT mod will be needed.It uses a similar control chip to the IC7 so a similar mod is needed to that..i think Macci already posted this.
It seems i was confused with VBt earlier, It seems many term VBt as VTT.
Many new boards actually have the chipset voltage adjustable in bios, the chaintech has it to 1.9V if im not mistaken and the Epox does something similar.This leads me to beleive it actually runs 1.5v default and is controlled independantly.
I will however look more into this.If you know of any board that actually links the memory controller voltage to the vdimm please post where i may check it out.
If this is anything like the motherboards I buy, I will wait until 1.1 or version 2.0 comes out.
Raybo
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=26650
seems there have been some deaths on AN50R..
a guy mentions somewhere in the thread he has found a trace to the CPU reading the same as his vdimm..
bigtoe, I strongly advise you to do some homework about computerarchitectures first before you make such a product.Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
I will however look more into this.If you know of any board that actually links the memory controller voltage to the vdimm please post where i may check it out.
you guy's just know that more vdd gains stability when operating memory above it's specifications. That's it. you need to know a h*ll of a lot more actually.
Please read
I'm not going to explain a lot about that part. You want to earn money by the device you just made, so it's your task to know what you are doing.
As far as my input goes on this:
A pc is actually a analog device. Yes, there's no dirt in your eyes ;) Analog! :D
Why is that so? Well a pc uses a voltage for it's bits. but how to differ a logical 1 from a logical 0? Well you already mentioned it. Vref kicks in.
Vref is a reference voltage for a logical 1. and it had a little tolerance.
So, the voltages (bits)wich are being read will be compared to the Vref. when it's within the limits (not to low), it's being reconised as a logical 1.
when it's gnd or below the tolerance of Vref it's a logical 0.
when you increase your ramspeed ... ow yeah, I forgot to mention this. bits are stored with capacitance. a capacitor looses his capacity slowly, thats why sdram is being refreshed constantly.
when you increase your ramspeed, it can happen that when you fetch data from your memory, the voltage of the memorycell isn't yet within the tollerance of the vref. Resulting in a misinterpretation of the bit. So we raise the ddr voltage, you shorten the timespan needed to get the voltage in the memorycell within the vref tollerance decreases. (like a battery speedcharger, when you put more voltage on the batteries, they reload faster (lifespan will decrease also)). The memory controller is feed by the same Vref, wich is 2.5V for ddr. When the memory controller fetches bits (wich are voltages --> vdd) from the memory, it compares them to Vref and passes them trough to the cpu.
so these bits (voltages) also enter the memory controller. will it harm the memory controller? I can't answer that, as I don't know. Some devices can stand some overvolting, some can't.
this is a pretty rough explanation. I haven't got time to realy go in-depth. But when you make such a device, make it commercially avaible and make profit on it, ...
imho, it's your duty to know that yourself. These questions should already been tought of before you designed it.
it's quite easy, to find the spots where the ddr voltage is located on the dimm's pins and feed it an external voltage.
I would realy like to mention it again, this is not meant as an insult of whatsoever. But it upsets me a little bit that people are making profit out of things. And they don't even know what they are messing with.
When someone messes his stuff to death ... that's his personal problem. But when you sell things like this. Everyone can just do it. every noob can overvolt his stuff easely with this device. Without even knowing he can kill his stuff. And when he does realise ... I hope that you have got a very big disclaimer on your product and that you are legaly covered.
cheers :toast:
I hope that my input was helpfull.
some graphs:
perfect digital blockcurve:
http://www.xtreme-oc.be/articles/volt-oc/images/1.gif
more real (analog curve):
http://www.xtreme-oc.be/articles/volt-oc/images/2.gif
The device wich needs the bits will always compare it to Vref, to determine wether it's a logic high (1) or a logic low (0).
When the speed is increased, and the capacitors can't reach a value within the tolerance of Vref in time:
http://www.xtreme-oc.be/articles/volt-oc/images/3.gif
When you increase the voltage:
http://www.xtreme-oc.be/articles/volt-oc/images/4.gif
When this is compared with Vref:
http://www.xtreme-oc.be/articles/volt-oc/images/5.gif
good idea :D, dont want a bunch of ppl complaining to you guys that your product killed my stuff.
ns_ripper
First off no insult taken but im not an A64 tester, i have been intel for 2 yrs.This doesn't mean i can't test it, it just means i am a little behind to what i know about 875 and 865 boards etc.
I know exactly how the voltages effect ram and i know exactly how it works..the ONLY thing im personnally unsure about is VDD or VDDQ passing back to the memory controller on A64.
Some graphics cards work in a VERY similar way to the booster and have seperate plugable PSU on them supplying the Vdimm and vcore to the card.
With regards to Intel boards with seperate vreg for vdimm etc I see no issue.With the booster set at 2.5v and the board set at 2.8V the booster will report the bios set vdimm and apply nothing. If the booster is set at 2.8 and the board 2.5 the board will have 2.8Vdimm at the mosfets etc as if the bios has set 2.8V.
I see this no different to guys altering the 3.3vline to 3.7V with onboard vdimm mods and pushing 3.6vdimm thru the onboard mosfets etc, infact using a booster will actually create less stress on the board as the mosfets will not be delivering the current ...the booster will.
Regarding Intel boards we have actually pushed EB to the point it fried the IC's with absolutely NO DAMAGE to the motherboard what so ever....so we do test quite thoroughly ;)
Now...i do recognise A64 may be an issue.The modules are not on sale yet so we have time to tweak if needed.
So to conclude...have you posted this same info to Abit, MSI, Epox etc and all the others that allow vdimm of 3.2v or higher ???
at what point do the IC's die?Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
Regarding Intel boards we have actually pushed EB to the point it fried the IC's with absolutely NO DAMAGE to the motherboard what so ever....so we do test quite thoroughly ;)
You don't want to know....High thats all I say.
If he didn't want to know, he wouldn't have asked.Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
You don't want to know....High thats all I say.
Sign me up for the preorder
The A8V certainly seems like an excellent candidate for the thingamajigger....
Seems that the Vddr circuit is incapable of 3.15V+
Strange too, when set in BIOS to 2.6V, the VR won't change the voltage at the Vddr readpoint...but when set to 2.8v, the read point will respond up to 3.15v before windows locks up... something odd here.
C