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So it wouldn't bother LilGator if he couldn't RMA that 9800XT of his if something happened to it, even though it is 95% of the value of his rig....hmmm. Do you believe that OPP? I don't think I do.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I give up on this mod, no luck:D
I'll just wait for the XT to come out and then get one.
OPP
Yep I'm done as well. Nothing like a little HS removal practice... :rolleyes: My XT is on it's way. :D
Come on you can't give up!Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I give up on this mod, no luck:D
I'll just wait for the XT to come out and then get one.
OPP
I was just getting my hopes up. :(
Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
My XT is on it's way. :D
amen..........
ahem, actually its a 9800 Pro :)Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
So it wouldn't bother LilGator if he couldn't RMA that 9800XT of his if something happened to it, even though it is 95% of the value of his rig....hmmm. Do you believe that OPP? I don't think I do.
Yep I'm done as well. Nothing like a little HS removal practice... :rolleyes: My XT is on it's way. :D
Anyway, if it died, i'd throw it away and get an X800XT :D
Wouldn't eat lunch for the rest of the year, but hey :rolleyes:
for me lunch + dinner and only one piece of bread at the breakfast lol :D
EDIT: best diet for a computer addict
erm guys,
kunaak and opp, what brand cards were these you two used? bba's?
Yes they were...... the only people to sucessfully do the mod have Sapphire's. That still puzzles me because aren't the BBA's made in the same factory as the Sapphire's????Quote:
Originally posted by sky
erm guys,
kunaak and opp, what brand cards were these you two used? bba's?
Sapphire builds all of ATI's "BBA" cards IIRC...
That all the cards that modded are Saphire and none of the Ati's that were tried working, could be coincidence or a trend. No way to tell at this point, with such a small number being tried.
Hehe are you sure? ;)Quote:
Soldering is out of the question! Ink or paint is the only way.
http://myweb.hinet.net/home11/angel9...pro/mod/cu.jpg
Looks like soldering iron job to me :D
more 12 to 16 pipe stuff here
mine a ATI retail card from bestbuy.com
as for soldering the points together?
it looks pretty damn hard to me, tiny tiny point.
not impossible, but not something I'd dare say I myself could do.
it's about 50 times smaller then anything I've ever solderd.
I never said you couldn't drop a blob of solder on a pad, just said it's a bad idea. Are you saying you (or the person in the picture) have done the mod successfully?Quote:
Originally posted by macci
Hehe are you sure? ;)
http://myweb.hinet.net/home11/angel9...pro/mod/cu.jpg
Looks like soldering iron job to me :D
more 12 to 16 pipe stuff here
ouch...thats tiny...i wonder how on earth can you solder something so tiny in there...looking at my 12W soldering iron and solder seems impossible yes:DQuote:
Originally posted by Kunaak
mine a ATI retail card from bestbuy.com
as for soldering the points together?
it looks pretty damn hard to me, tiny tiny point.
not impossible, but not something I'd dare say I myself could do.
it's about 50 times smaller then anything I've ever solderd.
I used to unlock XPs with silver conductive paint...it was so easy...i guess its no different for the PROS? i can see people mentioning you have to scrape in a straight line the chip in order to see copper underneith? why? wouldnt connecting those two dots with conductive paint do the job?
I remember reading the UC bunch also saying they had to "FORCE" the beta 4.5 drivers to se it as an XT.
Not sure how to do that.
I was gona try this but my card tops out at 510 on the core....i guess the vcore mod might get me the last 10Mhz ??
I have tried this scraping painting etc twice now but am inclined to believe that only 'certain' cards are capable of having the pipes enabled...
On the mod itself i scratched untill i could see a tiny line of bright copper as described by chris_uk...cleaned it with isopropal then painted with the same conductive paint used by chris_uk
Bear in mind that my core will only just do 536mhz watercooled and about 563 mhz mem. This is way below the clocks reached by at least 2 of the people who have been succesful...having thier cores and mem around the 600 mhz mark before even attempting the mod
maybe a few cards slipped through the net and onto the pro cards but it seems the delay in the XT could be considered as not that many gpu's are 16 pipe and clock capable
In Austria we have tried to mod 2 Powercolor X800 Pro cards, and non worked.. so I geuss only Sapphire makes modable cards
I haven't seen my x800pro in a few weeks now. So no I haven't done the mod. But check the link I posted there :)Quote:
Are you saying you (or the person in the picture) have done the mod successfully?
Well I guess it sjust sapphire for now.
Well I saw 16 pipes again this morning.
Sofar, the only time I've seen it is when I boot into a OS after useing my 9800XT, and then windows sees the X800PRO and installs a driver for it by itself. It then asks for a reboot, before I do, I check the pipes, and sure enough there are 16, once I get back into windows with the new X800 driver, the pipes are back to 12.
And yes, I have tryed all the Drivers, inclueding forceing the 800XT driver, nothing works right. I know I have the dots connected. Maybe I'll try x4 or somthing but I think my card just has a problem with 16 pipes. Sometimes I can't even get into the OS. I'm thinking this when the 16 pipes are active. The only way to get back into the OS is go into Safe mod and remove the driver.
Sometimes the OS works fine, so who knows:D
And I've never seen the 16 pipes when the driver was installed yet.
OPP
gg
werent the sapphire 9500s the only ones that could softmod/hardmod iirc?
you need to go to the ati folder and delete the driver that is forcing upon reboot and also disconnect your internet so it cant download it for you. and see what happens.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
and then windows sees the X800PRO and installs a driver for it by itself.
OPP
Do you need to do a straight line? or could you curve it out some? seems like it might make it easier to solder/connect.
Sooo...
It seems like the chances of modding your x800pro into an x800xt are next to none...
Still early days imo...What worries me is that Opp & a few other hardcore/Xtreme modders aren't having any luck with this card...
Looks like I'll be waiting at least another month or so til either the Xtremists have had more time with the x800pro or just fork out the extra bucks for the x800xt...
Anyone after a well used 9800pro or 9800xt??:D jk...
if i understand....no need to flash the bios to get the 16 pipe...just join the bridge and that it???
Yeah that`s what I`m thinking too. Looks like the drivers and the bridge connection should be enough.
ok...i try it now....i'll keep us informed...my card is Sapphire
cool bp
no luck here :(
retry the mod 5 time and with 3 different defogger repair paint and nothing :(
Did you close the laser cut bridge as on the Athlon chips? what about the bios? Did you flash or not?
i've made exactly the same that Chris-UK did...
i guess its a hit or miss thing
For the rig and the VC clocks that guy is running his 3DMark03 scores are pretty weak. Chris_UK's are much better.Quote:
come on ppl, keep going!!
solder it if u have too
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Originally posted by Boogotop
no luck here :(
retry the mod 5 time and with 3 different defogger repair paint and nothing :(
BBATI or Sapphire?
C
Might be worth a try if you have a Sapphire, but it's very very dangerous. Look at the blown up photo Macci posted showing the soldered pads and you'll have some idea just how risky. The tiny resistors are several times as large as the pads you need to connect.:(Quote:
Originally posted by AcEmAsTr
come on ppl, keep going!!
solder it if u have too
The results linked in Macci's post aren't a guarentee that it is working. There are guys over at OCAU getting 12K with a 2.8C@3500 and an X800Pro GeCube card, and are getting relatively equivalent fill rates with just 12 pipes. Card is clocked at 595/560, and fill rates are over 4000 and 7000 respectively, so I am not sold on this "mod" yet. But in saying that, the multi fill rate score of teh "16 pipe" card is 600 higher, so who knows.
BTW, here is the ORB result of above system.
OPP, et al:
You must flash the card to the XT BIOS and run the 4.5 betas.
The reason the 16-12 loss is due to the drivers detecting the Pro as a Pro and when it does only runs with 12 pipes. The OS and drivers must detect it as an XT on both the hardware and software level.
I'll be a good chunk of coin OPP's card is modded perfectly.
my card is a Sapphire and that do the same thing as OPP....without driver i've seen 16 pipe but the mod doesn't work at all here
my mod
http://sites.rapidus.net/maxbleau/x8...pipe%20mod.JPG
but some people got 16 pipe with a detected x800 proQuote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
OPP, et al:
You must flash the card to the XT BIOS and run the 4.5 betas.
The reason the 16-12 loss is due to the drivers detecting the Pro as a Pro and when it does only runs with 12 pipes. The OS and drivers must detect it as an XT on both the hardware and software level.
I'll be a good chunk of coin OPP's card is modded perfectly.
Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I lost it for some reason. I'm back to 12:D
OPP
hehe same here :D
I have try it again and again but nothing, on the last job i become 0 Pipes :D
:confused: :DQuote:
Originally posted by -realEvolution-
hehe same here :D
I have try it again and again but nothing, on the last job i become 0 Pipes :D
really like to see if this works out for people, got a feeling that w1zzard might be able to mod the drivers in the same way he did for the 9500np and 9800se so that the hardmod wouldn't be needed at all, that'd be very cool if this can be done 'softmod' style.
If I understand Chris_UK correctly, he also connected the 2 dots to the ground underneath the green layer. By scratching a line deep to the copper layer.
U did that too OPP?
My 9800 Has just died, so right now im saving up for an X800 Pro. I almost have enough money, so should be getting one in a week or 2. I have heard no BBA successes, and some Sapphire successes. I saw that on pricewatch they have Visiontek Xtacy for the cheapest X800 Pro. Does anyone have these cards that could try the mod? Because if those turn out to be like sapphires, some successes, then that'd save me a little money, If not I guess I will go for a Sapphire.
the trick don't work on all Sapphire
im curious about the date on the gpu from those guys who got 16 pipe
yeah i know it doenst work on all sapphire, but i guess itd be best luck for me to buy a sapphire.
Yeah, and the second the drivers initialize it will show 12 again.Quote:
Originally posted by Boogotop
but some people got 16 pipe with a detected x800 pro
You must run the XT BIOS for this to work.
I'm not saying this just to tick people off. ;)
are you sure? maybe thats why opp cant get his to work lol, but i thought u can have 16 pipe pro =/
Lol... they wont work at all without being flashed to the XT BIOS. The drivers will detect the device ID and run @ 12-pipe as soon as the driver is initialized. The pipes will be active, but the driver thinks "12" as soon as it sees the X800 pro devID.
You have X800 pro
You flash X800 pro, and immediately remove it when done.
You mod X800 pro
You reinstall 16-pipe X800 pro as an X800XT and you get into windows.
If you remembered to install 4.5 betas, it will work great. :D
ok, if you say so. i thought that flashing to xt was optional, and it isnt about the device id, even after the flash the device id remains the same. look on OC_UK, and you will see this, I still think it is optional after reading the OC_UK forum, but I will flash because it helps the mem overclock, cant wait to get a sapphire and i hope it works for me lol
i have try it on two Powercolor Cards, and the mod doesnt work.Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
Lol... they wont work at all without being flashed to the XT BIOS. The drivers will detect the device ID and run @ 12-pipe as soon as the driver is initialized. The pipes will be active, but the driver thinks "12" as soon as it sees the X800 pro devID.
You have X800 pro
You flash X800 pro, and immediately remove it when done.
You mod X800 pro
You reinstall 16-pipe X800 pro as an X800XT and you get into windows.
If you remembered to install 4.5 betas, it will work great. :D
as far as i know the only successes are on sapphire, none on ATi or powercolors.. but nobody has reported trying it on visiontek xtacy.. i wish someone would since its cheaper than sapphire.
are the sapphires more expensive?
If so they might be charging the premium for "modability" lmfao
no, Sapphires are most of the time the cheapest cards here in EU.
at best buy u can get bba for $400 free shipping, visiontek xtacy is $415 on pw with shipping, cheapest sapphire is $425 with shipping, and that is a local shop to me(the cheapest sapphire on pricewatch), so i guess ill just buy it from there.. unless i find out that the xtacy is moddable. i guess it might be a good thing to buy from a local shop, maybe i can try a couple cards and take back those that dont mod lol.
No, of course not.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
I'm not saying this just to tick people off. ;)
Hallowed, have you tried the mod and experienced all that your saying? When you flash the card the device id doesnt change, its not the same as with other normal flashes ie 9800/9700. Whether you flash to Xt or stay with a Pro bios the deviceid is still 4a49 and the card is recognized as a Pro. The bios wont completely flash some parts seem 'protected'somehow.
I am running the card as a Pro but with the XT bios right now and the 16 pipelines are still showing fine. If this is the case and the mod is successful then there is probably no need for a bios flash at all, the drivers dont make one bit of difference.
I have read from other forums of other successes (although not many!) all with sapphire cards and even if you have a sapphire it doesnt seem 100% as Oppainter found out. I was thinking at first that he may have not joined the 2 points correctly somehow (although with his modding experience it seems unlikely), but now im thinking the 4 pipelines he is trying to re-enable are damaged in some way and when the drivers load the pc crashes. It may be that some Sapphire cards have totally broken pipelines which wont enable whatever you do, some have part damaged pipelines like Oppainters and a even less have the pipelines that are not damaged at and are all just disabled. Im no technical guru so I cannot say if this is definately the case. I have read that only 'clone?' cards are capable of the mod but this is hearsay though the grapevine which doesnt count for much......
I have read so many threads (not on here mind, apart from Hallowed:)) with people dishing out advice who havent even tried the mod themselves!! A lot of people seem to be finding it hard to believe its even true, hopefully the results Oppainter had prove it a little bit.
If any of you are really interested in the details on the top of the core I can get them when I get home from work tonight and post them on here, it might help to identify which cards may work although I myself cant tell the difference between one and another :)
Chris_UK I`d like to know any numbers you can dish out like core date stamp or anything else on the PCB. Also how important do you think it is that you went all the way down to the copper on the PCB between the points? I`ve heard of a laser cut bridge between the points. Is there if fact one?
tomorrrow my x800 from powercolor is coming to my hands :p:
on of the first in holland ,,
i want to try the mod , do you guys think ik could work >?:D
There is a laser cut between the 2 points, at least there was on my card. It is important I went down to the copper, because until I did that it didnt work :)Quote:
Originally posted by andyddr
Chris_UK I`d like to know any numbers you can dish out like core date stamp or anything else on the PCB. Also how important do you think it is that you went all the way down to the copper on the PCB between the points? I`ve heard of a laser cut bridge between the points. Is there if fact one?
I have just borrowed the digicam from work, I will whip the card out tonight and take some definitive pictures of the working mod on my card, also get some pics of the core and whats printed on it. Bioblade, I wouldnt bother to try to be honest because it doesnt seem to work on any other models of card, unless you have a brainwave and try something new.....
hey Chris_UK....my mod look good for ya???
http://sites.rapidus.net/maxbleau/x8...pipe%20mod.JPG
brilliant idea. thx!Quote:
Originally posted by Chris_UK
I have just borrowed the digicam from work, I will whip the card out tonight and take some definitive pictures of the working mod on my card, also get some pics of the core and whats printed on it.
When we look back to AthlonXP unlocking getting down to the copper layer meant shortening to the ground.
(If we assume that the copper layer on a FCPGA package like AthlonXP and X800 VPU corresponds to GND.) But why would that do the trick here? When u shorted an AXP mod to GND it was a no go.
Why does it help on the X800 VPU?
as promised, heres the pics of the mod working on my card :
http://www.andovernaturalproducts.co.uk/PICT0007.JPG
as you can see in my excitement I didnt even bother to clean it properly, theres a few bits of stray conductive paint lying about :)
details on core :
http://www.andovernaturalproducts.co.uk/PICT0004.JPG
:)
did you scratch a bit and then put conductive paint over it?
thank you Chris. plz comment on my thoughts about grounding above.
edit: lol, hi eminem.
Okay I have`nt got a clue what those numbers mean but if anyone else with a non modding X800PRO can tell us if there is a difference? Not that it makes any difference but what are those two dots on the T of ATI?
I think there is only one way to confirm that we need to get down to the copper layer between the dots:
Chris remove the paint with acetone and draw a "U" line around the laser cut. Without touching it. If it works in that case, well, we dont need to scratch so deep.
Ofcourse I know that is a big request. It could be that the mod will never work again. So, just risk it in a moment of bravery! ;) ;) ;)
@ Sapphire: Make your cards finally available here in AT!!!! damn it. :mad:
It could but the chances are far better that it won't.Quote:
Originally posted by BioBlade
tomorrrow my x800 from powercolor is coming to my hands :p:
on of the first in holland ,,
i want to try the mod , do you guys think ik could work >?:D
Just make sure you know that your warranty is void if you try it which means you will not be RMA'ing it if the card dies, even it your mod didn't cause the problem.
The cards are incredibly fast anyway. Look at my scores on air with a regular X800Pro. If that's not fast enough for you then the XT probably won't be either.;)
The copper in the laser hole is not ground, it is part of the trace that used to connect the two pads. Connecting to it just gives you a better connection between the pads.:toast:Quote:
Originally posted by Goldlocke
brilliant idea. thx!
When we look back to AthlonXP unlocking getting down to the copper layer meant shortening to the ground.
(If we assume that the copper layer on a FCPGA package like AthlonXP and X800 VPU corresponds to GND.) But why would that do the trick here? When u shorted an AXP mod to GND it was a no go.
Why does it help on the X800 VPU?
after reading all those posts I'm kind of confused now:
what do I have to do, for getting a x800pro working?
scratch the two points down till I see copper and connect them via silver conductive paint by just painting a line between them.
is that enough?
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk
This is a good guide for the complete process. Chris has okay`d it so it must be good :smileysex
I already knew that guide, but thanks for link.
ok, so that's what your discussion was all about. I just didn't get the thing about the painting a "U" around the lasercut?
He`s saying paint a u around the lasercut to see if it is indead the copper that makes it work.
Joe: Welcome to the XTREME! ;)
the thing that i will do with my powercolorx800 is the next :
filling de laserlock with glue , scratch the 2 points , putting silver glue from point to point ent test it :P
More balls than brains, eh? Well I understand. I did it too, but I wish I wouldn't have. It's the sickness! We have to do it!:(Quote:
Originally posted by BioBlade
the thing that i will do with my powercolorx800 is the next :
filling de laserlock with glue , scratch the 2 points , putting silver glue from point to point ent test it :P
Good luck to you!:D Let us know how it works out?:toast:
do you did it the same way ? and is your card :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:ed up now ?:stick:Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
More balls than brains, eh? Well I understand. I did it too, but I wish I wouldn't have. It's the sickness! We have to do it!:(
Good luck to you!:D Let us know how it works out?:toast:
Can`t see why it would be. It the same as the AXP mod we all did back in the day. Once you scrape the points your card`s warantee is stuffed so who cares if you put a bit of superblue on that lasercut? Not going to hurt.
No, my card is fine. There is some risk that you could :banana: up your card but it is minimal if you are careful.
If I ever need to RMA the card for any reason I will be :banana: 'ed.:D
yup but by the amd xp mod you did not have to scratch the points...
bioblade have you done yours yet? I have a powercolor x800 in 1 or 2 days so I'm curious if your card worked out
Hi Goldlocke :)
I wonder if the mod also works without flashing to the XT biops.
Biobade good luck with your card, people here have tried with the PWC cards but it didnt work.
after reading a post on r3d it seems someone has got the mod working on a HISX800Pro also, but it still seems like a low percentage working right now :(
I think its very strange that so few cards works with the mod. Powercolor says "up to 16 pipelines" on their site. There must be some way to enable them I dont think that so many cards have broken pipes
http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/image...ga/ati%20x800/
pics of the card, tomorrow i am going to mod it
That`s a nice looking bundle. Pitty u about to beat the poo poo out of it :up:
got an extra pic
http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/image...20x800%207.JPG
my next question is , should i fill up the laserlock ? or isn't that nessesary ?
Something tells me this was never meant to be:
Back in the 9500np day, people tried it, it worked, but image was messed up... but that at least proved that the extra pipelines existed in the core (although they were defective).
Don't hold your breath expecting it to work (ever)... although it would be nice if it did. I guess ATI learned they have too much to lose if they ship modifiable cards.
so all you guys say, its better to do it not.... ?
You have to pay if you want to play. I tried it so I certainly understand why you want to do it, bit the potential gain doesn't outweigh the risk.Quote:
Originally posted by BioBlade
so all you guys say, its better to do it not.... ?
I know people who have gone out and bought close to $100 worth of tools to do the mod. If you are going to do that you may as well buy an XT. Then if something dies you can RMA it and get a free card. You mod the pro and you won't be RMA'ing it.
The only difference between your core and Chris`s is yours says 0414AA while his is 0416AA. Maybe this core (6AA) is the one that can mod? BioBlade it`s upto you dude. I for one would like to see if you can do it. But then loosing your warantee sucks...
yep , but the only thing i would like to know , is that you have to fill up the hole or not ?
Well why not try it like with the Athlons first i.e close the hole with superglue and paint over it. If that does`nt work then scrape it off and do it the way Chris did by going all the way into the copper.
Next week I'll get my Sapphire X800Pro
I think I'll try the mod. :) I'll report if it works.
i did the pencil tric but that wont work.... still have 12 pipes
Pencil trick does`nt work from what I`ve read in other forums. Will have to paint it with conductive silver paint/ink.