with phase change/cascade cooling it generally goes the uglier the better :D
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with phase change/cascade cooling it generally goes the uglier the better :D
that looks sick! Some of macci's setups are mad but dont look like that :slobber:
and to think......
if the whole rig was just in an airtight box, you wouldn't need all the proofing :D
Easy to do too... just build an acrylic box 2' x 2' x 2', set in down on TOP of the rig, and fill the box with helium, like as in from ballons/tank.... no air, no moisture, no frost :D
C
shh, they might hear you charlie!
sweet setup
Yea, lard Dabit over at ice cold has done it with the airtight case that totally stops condensation. I think in the area you live in it might not be a bad idea to check it out. I believe it's here
That would be cool to have.. except when I have to reset my bios a million times on my dfi board:brick:
So would you not need any of the seal string on the prommy head if you had it in an airtight case like that??? How did he get all of the air out of the box once it was put together?
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Originally posted by STEvil
shh, they might hear you charlie!
with his high pitched squeaky helium voice :D
Regards
Andy
PS Looking forward to Lardarses results, must be mid afternoon overthere in the Far East by now ...
Regards
Andy
Andy, my level headed friend:
Did you also notice a few things which have caused the "consensus" to lean unjustifiably to the X800XT?
Drivers: WHQL approved 60.72's with no Trilinear optimizations against Beta 4.5's which feature said optimizations and inflated 03' scores.
Clocks: X800XT PE's are 520 / 560, normal XT's are 500 / 1000, PE's are of a very limited quantity at over $500 pricepoint.
I think for gaming OR 3DMark, the cards are out and out equals. :)
I'd like either right now.. 9700 died and i'm about flat broke :/
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Originally posted by Hallowed
Andy, my level headed friend:
Did you also notice a few things which have caused the "consensus" to lean unjustifiably to the X800XT?
Drivers: WHQL approved 60.72's with no Trilinear optimizations against Beta 4.5's which feature said optimizations and inflated 03' scores.
Clocks: X800XT PE's are 520 / 560, normal XT's are 500 / 1000, PE's are of a very limited quantity at over $500 pricepoint.
I think for gaming OR 3DMark, the cards are out and out equals. :)
It would be a turn around if ATi are optimising and nvidia have stopped. There has been a 20% rise in some games in 3dmark03 over Cat 4.3's, so that is a pretty big jump. The 61 series for nvidia get 2-3% over 60.72, which is reasonable from I guess ongoing work.
I guess both parties really really want that #1 spot :)
I'm still awaiting my 6800U and it looks like it will be after Computex now.
Regards
Andy
Ok I scrapped the crap zip tie F clampage and used some brass rods and screw to hold down better. I just can't seem to find screws this small around :( I'm sure clamping can be improved.
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/68...0newclamp1.JPG
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/68...0newclamp2.JPG
First run at 600/1190 with P4EE @ 323 x 14 -> 4522 :
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/16734.JPG
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/16734page.JPG
Can't publish
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/16734page2.JPG
I can't get any higher than 1.67v, maybe some overvoltage crap or something. Something's weird too, After a short benching, it keeps getting problems dropping back to desktop after a bench, I've had tests completed at 610 but black screens whenever it drops to desktop generating the results. Could be some condensation issues... Card also does not run as cold as I expected, the heatsinks and caps at the power area gets pretty hot with Evap @ -98C.
Nature seems kinda low for some reason...
Just the normal tweaks in nvidia panel. LOD seem kinda sharp, any ways to blur it? :D Trilinear optimizations on, which is faster?
Nice score, Shamino. Nature does look low for those clocks. If you can get memory above 1200, you probably will have a shot at 17K.
Nice 1 LA. :)
That 6800U is packing some punch at those speeds. :eek:
Aye, i smell a REAL battle! The first in a looong time.
PS. this ain't no prediction, it's a fact. Capische? :D
Capice, yes. ;) :D
no, no, noooooooQuote:
Originally posted by Cow2kie
That would be cool to have.. except when I have to reset my bios a million times on my dfi board:brick:
So would you not need any of the seal string on the prommy head if you had it in an airtight case like that??? How did he get all of the air out of the box once it was put together?
You don't NEED to seal the box airtight! make an open top acrylic box, turn it upside down on top of a mobo/rig.... fill with helium, which will push OUT all the AIR, leaving the mobo surrounded by helium, which DOESN'T have water vapor in it :D
C
long wire + 2 way switch on end extending outside of box would for for bios resets.
I find it easier to flip PSU switch, wait 5 seconds, hold down insert, and power on.
hmm, what did Macci get with his top 3dmark03 score?
16774 :o
only 41 points more for a new wr!
war i tell ya.
hmmm... so so I understand then that P4EE + LN2 + X800XT is basically EVEN with P4EE + Cascade + 6800U???
Wow....Nvidia's in the game, ehh?
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no i didnt mean to seal string the box. I was asking if you would have to have sealstring on the prommyhead if you had it airtight like that filled w/ heliumQuote:
Originally posted by charlie
no, no, nooooooo
You don't NEED to seal the box airtight! make an open top acrylic box, turn it upside down on top of a mobo/rig.... fill with helium, which will push OUT all the AIR, leaving the mobo surrounded by helium, which DOESN'T have water vapor in it :D
C
Macci's x800 was at 770mhz.
Lardarse 6800 was at 600mhz. i can see why Macci is concerned about the 6800 ultra. He had every reason to be ..
Charlie, I think the 6800 should go at least 20 Mhz more if I can get things goin, it needs more voltage, if only I could give it more, I think a 650 run with 1.8v and -98C evap is possible if I can get pass the voltage limit lock of 1.67v. Thing with nvidia cards is the damn throtling especially with memory overclock and you dunno if it clocks back.
WR right now is 1680+ with macci's Dual Cascades.
PSU problems ?Quote:
After a short benching, it keeps getting problems dropping back to desktop after a bench
Excellent start w/ 6800U + cascade Sir! :toast:
Interesting to see how 'different' the cards are but still score basically the same overall result.
Seems that NV40 has more 'raw speed' (GT1-3) while the X800XT has better shader powa (GT4)?
GT: 6800u: x800xt:
1_: 438.3 414.6
2_: 126.1 122.1
3_: 107.9 101.4
4_: 97.9 115.8
tot 16734 16802
Lets include coolaler's 16383 result here too:
http://coolaler.nil.com.tw/images/TOP/top4.JPG
its at 590/1250. Quite a bit higher nature result and also a bit higher GT2 and 3. Is the NV40 all memspeed limited at those GPU speeds?
Nice score Lardarse :toast:
Do you get better overclock results if you can supply more than 12v through the twin molex connectors, or is the 1.67v to the gpu causing the limit only ?
That GT4 result replicates other ( lower ) 6800 scores I have seen, ie it is a lot lower than ATi. As GT2 and GT3 use shaders but GT4 is the only DX9 game then I guess either the DX9 shaders are different or nvidia DX9 is not so hot at present full stop.
I guess nvidia driver time will be working on this over the following weeks ( hopefully their halo's will not slip ;) ) and if they can match Ati there then this is looking very good.
It would be nice to find a software or hardware fix to stop the nvidia series defaulting back to 2D speeds when pushed too far, this nannying, for non extreme overclockers, is annoying.
Regards
Andy
PS Sorry for the long post, have you done any 2001 benching yet ?
I dunno it could be that throttling does come in some time, throttling back the memory speed. The only recent nvidia card I played with was the 5600 and it seems to behave the same way, you can easily tell when throttling comes in with core being pushed too far (a long jerk) but when the memory throttles, you can't tell except from the fps.
Berkut don't think so, it will keep going on 3D but coming back to desktop gives black screen.
No 2001 yet, but I expect it to be significantly worse than ATI as per nvidia's trend.
My 12v is around 12.2v underload with the EE sucking 1.85v.
I'm gonna try rivatuner to see if i can adjust some LODs. Will be trilinear optimizations be faster or should I just turn it off?
Leave the optimisations in as that will force brilinear rather than trilinear so make it faster.Quote:
Originally posted by LardArse
I dunno it could be that throttling does come in some time, throttling back the memory speed. The only recent nvidia card I played with was the 5600 and it seems to behave the same way, you can easily tell when throttling comes in with core being pushed too far (a long jerk) but when the memory throttles, you can't tell except from the fps.
Berkut don't think so, it will keep going on 3D but coming back to desktop gives black screen.
No 2001 yet, but I expect it to be significantly worse than ATI as per nvidia's trend.
My 12v is around 12.2v underload with the EE sucking 1.85v.
I'm gonna try rivatuner to see if i can adjust some LODs. Will be trilinear optimizations be faster or should I just turn it off?
For LOD expect GT1 to go down but GT2,GT3 and GT4 to go up in fps, well it did with the FX series, but you may be capped by the P4 in GT1 so having the LOD high here might not effect it.
Try LOD of 3,6,9 and 12. My guess is a LOD of about 8 will be best.
Regards
Andy
Any chance of running the same cpu clock as macci and showing a screen shot?
Still hard to imagine that just a month or two ago, you guys were struggling to get 10k. Considering that a X800XT or 6800U would give me about 2.5-3 times what I have now... it might just be time to kick the bucket, suck it up and smack down the cash on the barrell head, and get either X800XT or 6800U.
16-17K is is ridiculously high... A year ago before Radeon 9700pro, I was struggling to get 5K. (which means: great job man at an amazing overclock)
Lardarse, or macci:
Do any other game tests start to show gains from fast CPU other than GT1 yet?
6800 and 6800U scores can now be published on the ORB.
At present there is one entry !
Lardarse, publish your score !
Regards
Andy
Done:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2593377
Its no WHQLed though, I'll need to rerun with 60.85... if I can solve the stupid throttling nonsense
install with high GPU/ram temps?
Heh I wonder if Computex Taiwan had anything to do with it? I was messaging over the phone to Visionary who's over at Taiwan now about coaxing out the secret to disabling thermal thrttling out from nvidia. He said nvidia personal admitted that there is a too hot and too cold limit that throttling will set in. And he said he would try to talk to Futuremark to get them to allow the publishing of 6800 scores.Quote:
Originally posted by zakelwe
6800 and 6800U scores can now be published on the ORB.
At present there is one entry !
Lardarse, publish your score !
Regards
Andy
Sick card is throttling at desktop stock speeds with -101C evap :mad:
What is that throtling thing???
Nice scores... But i think that 3dmark should be benched at 1280x1024 with 8AA/8AF... Otherwise it just sux... Your not even stressing the card :o/
the 6800 has a "too cold" limit? :stick: nvidia
17K breached!
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/17182.JPG
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2603430
603/1250
I've had to alternate between drivers/powerstrip, etc with warm GPU until the throttling seems to go away. Now I'm just a little wary of installing the 60.85 drivers for fear of it coming back!! :mad:
Anyways, 608/1270 should be doable...
Amazing work Shamino. :toast:
Now to point the FM kiddies here...
ohh yeah that looks so sweet.
nvidia power is coooooommmming
Shamino: are the 60.85's faster? Or did you mean the FM-legit 60.72's?
If I'm not wrong 60.85 should be the latest WHQLed, but I heard that 61.11 is faster, which is what I'm using now.Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
Shamino: are the 60.85's faster? Or did you mean the FM-legit 60.72's?
So youre going for FM approved or merely WHQL status?
I don't think it should matter much, as the 61.11's appear to show natural D3D speed increases rather than FX-style hacks to gain speed.
People should figure out that your 17K is more than legit. :)
Nice score! :DQuote:
Originally posted by LardArse
If I'm not wrong 60.85 should be the latest WHQLed, but I heard that 61.11 is faster, which is what I'm using now.
Good luck to the next barrier! (18k)
Darn... We are actually kinda close to 20k... I dont think that 3dmark01 should survive the next generation of gfx and cpu... That would be just lame...
WOOT- cheers Lardarse
Nvidia can rest easy now. [size=largest]Futuremark record has been broken again![/size]
Just reran with 60.85 drivers with 600/1250: 17117
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2603719
FM is really coming down on nvidia hard huh, it won't even approve the 60.85 WHQLed drivers...
very check out what the mods have to say about your well earned score:Quote:
Originally posted by LardArse
Just reran with 60.85 drivers with 600/1250: 17117
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2603719
FM is really coming down on nvidia hard huh, it won't even approve the 60.85 WHQLed drivers...
http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...=&fpart=3&vc=1
Congrats guys nice going:) and using the non-pro version too. I had a feeling this was going to happen soon.
Thx guys, Ill try to install the 60.72 drivers then.
:toast:
very nice score, good luck with the 60.72's my guess is you will drop 2% or so , so it might be close at the top for FM approved drivers.
Been a long time since nvidia was at the top.
Regards
Andy
Have you done any 2001 runs yet ? I know, I sound like a broken record .. actually really i am interested in natuire to be honest
Regards
Andy
Not a single 2001 yet. I don't have high hopes on that, think ATI should be faster, and P4EE gets whacked by the FXes on it too. Lemme play with 2003 more first ;)
Congratulations, Shamino. :toast:
I heard Nvidia is getting ready to release a faster driver, so you may not be done with breaking records. ;)