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i really doubt its the memory dude, like i wroe earlier in this thread, if 2.5-3-3 gives you more than a 5mhz boost over 2-2-2 its most likely the chipset that cant run 2-2-2 at the high speed and not the memory. bh5 doesnt gain a lot of speed from going from 2-2-2 to 2.5-3-3, on some sticks i had the difference was 1mhz.
might see if I can try them in a intel systemQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
:)
I dont get it
have this BH-5 KHX3000/512
on my system works only like 215-220 2-2-2-5 stable with VDimm 2.9-3.2v now (my firend made me VDD/VDIMM/VTT mod today) , and while other friend with same ram got 240 on DFI !!!
system in my sig...
what am i doing wrong ?
What board are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
ABIT NF7-S 2.0
D26 MantaRayS XT CPC Off
TAGAN 480W
XP-M 2400+ 35W
Kingston Hyper-X PC3000/512
have you reached a higher fsb than 220 stable in 1:1 with other memory?
well i checked out my mushkin pc3200level2's today. but i found something very wierd. on the front of each module there is 314we, but on the back there is 313we. whats up with that? why would mushkin use different bh-5 on the same sticks? these are supposed to be a dual channel kit. i'd post pics but i need batteries for my digi cam(damn things bleeds em dry.) anyways i dont know how your going to incorporate this into your list. maybe as some kind of hybred mutant bh-5? :p: anyways i can run 11-2-2-2-2.0-2-3-3-3-3-3-4-e-e-f-e dual channel at 260fsb with 3.34vdimm(measured from mosfet). but wierd thing is i can only boot at these timmings and fsb with bios caching enabled, even though when its disable i get bsod that says disable it. oh well. anyways my board is a china infinity and a mobile 2600.
and like you said saaya, when i disable cpc or loosen the mem timmings, or switch to dual channel i can run quite a bit higher fsb. so it might be nb issue? my nb is watercooled and i run 1.9vdd, and ive tried all the vagp too it case it has a quirk with vagp and the nb like some other mobos. and im using hell fires 3eg rev3 bios.
yes with some value transcend 2.5-3-3-11 not 2-2-2-5 tho...i got 230, even booted and made few benchies 240 3-3-3-11Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
no its quite normal to have mixed chips on one stick as i mentioned earlier in this thread. a stick always clocks as high as the worst chip on it (weakest link in the chain) so i always added both the chips codes to the database with the result as both of the steppings clock to what your stick does (or higher, but we dont know what stepping clocks higher...)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
and 260 is very nice... it could just be your nb maxing out... 260 is stable right?
0_o bh5 doesnt run with cas3...Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
yeah, I have never had a BH5 stick boot if I set it to cas 3.
nope 260 not stable. but i think its a dfi nb problem. anything over 240 and i get crashes back to desktop in 3d and when i change timmings i can get higher stable. same happened with my mushkin bh-6.
Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
It's not a DFI but an Infinity-problem!!! Had exactly the same probs with all my Infinities... so it sounds very familiar.
But it did not only affect 3DMark, Prime was unstable too.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
not only that but my problems are now getting worse! well by any chance was yours the china board with the resistor soldered between the 2 mosfets?
i meant transcend as not BH-5 ram hehe...
This is my 512mb stick:
http://www.lengstrand.com/lars/ts/adata.jpg
342WF as you see.
http://clew.no-ip.com/misc/256x10.jpg
This is max with 3,4v, she's a bit of a bad clocker, but then again, she is a 512 stick.
adata 3200 right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Clew
mine was like that! it just shut down and died a few days ago... one of those two mosfets under the ram looks a bit weird, a bit brownish cover on the solder spots, and the same for one mosfet left to the nb...Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
mine DFI mobo is from TAIWAN..that good ? :P
It sure is :DQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
How much worse does 512 sticks clock, in general?
hmmm hard to say... 512mb sticks have double the amount of chips, and the stick only clocks as high as its slowst worst ocing chip will oc (weakest link in the chain), so the chance to have a bad chip on a 512mb sticks that holds you back is much bigger on a 512mb stick than on a 256mb stick...
so you can have a 512mb stick that clocks just as well as a 256mb stick... but in general they clock 5-10mhz worse i think.
I to have bh5 sticks,but with heatspreaders on so a can't see what the numbers are,is it possible that a prog can see it.
The now run @ 246x10 @ 3.0v prime stable,is that good or normal for those sticks,the have run @ 255x10 @ 3.1v but not prime stable yet;),pifast was good as you can see overhere ,on 2500mhz i run superpi at 36sec .
Is that an ok score,its my first one with my new a64 3200+,and if you have any tips that woot by nice,a can use the :help: .
Quote:
Originally Posted by RocKer
wow thats some pretty nice ram, should do at least 265 or so with 3.3V!
but update on my board, its sold! :p: i traded it, a 2600xpm and 2x256mb of my mushkin bh-5 for a gig of mushkin bh-5 with all 314e chips plus 15$. now i need to get a dfi UT and a a64 chip, and a new a64 waterblock.
Ure timings now are 2.5-3-3-10 , u must set them @ 2-2-2-5 for the best performance , u may need some more vdimm ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RocKer
read the first page of this thread :PQuote:
Originally Posted by RocKer
I now,just starting with oc;),i have to learn this dfi board its very different as an 8rda3+ so have patience it will come,its no problem to give more vdimm now with the OCZ 520w,just a turn on the pot and viola its at 3.4 :banana: and higher.Quote:
Ure timings now are 2.5-3-3-10 , u must set them @ 2-2-2-5 for the best performance , u may need some more vdimm
Will do some more testing,and those heatspreaders are coming off saaya,be sure of that :p: ,you calling me a chicken :stick: wait and see,sweet sweet revenge ;) :lol: .
2*256 ddr pc 3200 A-data BH5 (0313we)
260mhz 2/2/2/2/11 a 3.3v
NF2 (Dfi infinity ultra rev A)
bring it on ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RocKer
thx :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by boblemagnifique
did you try the sticks one at a time? do both do exactly 260?
yes dual ddr ;)
nono, thats not what i meant. i mean did you try them in alone? only one stick, to see if one of them clocks higher. its very unlikely that both did exactly 260 and im making an entry for every stick, so id prefer to have more accurate numbers :)
if you have time please test it! :)
I tested the two only, it is the same chip (0313we), on my DFI, I arrived has 260mhz a 3.3v max benchs with one or two stick. I cannot test the new ones, I is not any more motherboards in good condition
hmmmm did you need 3.3v? maybe the board was the limit and even less vdimm would have been ok? sounds like very sweet sticks!
I do not think, since more one month I turn has 3.4v with my NF7 modded, but it gere very badly the dual one (port dimm dead), I have to test has 268mhz has 3.87v (3.92v bios) :( , with the DFI has 3.7/3.8v, I could be has 275/280mhz :)
did you try to change the alpha timings with codered's nf2 tweaker?
yes but I did not know too the good adjustments for the DFI has the time, for the NF7 that does not change anything (old pcb date of 2 years) and i now likes more the tops fsb. i wait to find me a DFI infinity or lan party for vmod thereafter
hmmmm try the southbridge vdd mod?
tried the L12 mod?
try the 4 phase power mod, theres a thread in xtreme mods where a guy soldered a 4th power phase to the board, this stabilizes vcore, maybe its unstable vcore that makes the cpu unstable at a high fsb?
hrm have you guys ever heard of DH-5? My hdd (maxtor diamondmax 9) has got a winbond chip as cache. And is ends with DH-5?! Any info on that chip?
Edit : Tried google but no go there.
maybe there is a way how 2 oc it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LorD_Kvadd
theres even eh5 i think... no idear about those chips...
Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
NF7 = vdd 1.9v , mod L12 , vmod Vio=vdimm , vmod Vtt ...
DFI = vdd 1.8v , vddr 3.3v , no vmod
For the moment I have in aircolling, I wait until my MACH II is repare for o/c on DFI + 2500/2600M IQYHA + BH5 :)
i have 2x 512B TwinMOS/Winbond BH-5...
248WD + 249WE
how can i test the max. mhz?
with memtest+?
Quote:
Originally Posted by egal
Yeah but I don't think overclocking my HDD is a good thing to do ;) Although it would be xtreme :D
My CH-6 (corsair xms v2.1 512Mb pc3200) does 238 11-2-2 2 @ 3.3v @ nf2.. I don't know the week, because I gave the stick to a friend of me...
cool! i used the prime95 stress test blend, plus 3dmark2001 or any other game as stability tester :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CM50K
hmmmm can you ask him to check the stepping with aida32?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rub87
If msn wasn't b0rked... yes :p:
yeah, whats up with that? msn should switch their servers to linux ;)
Lol, Microsoft using Linux software :banana4:
just found this dual channel 2x512mb kit of mushkin bh-5. 245fsb 2-2-2-11 3.1v. both sticks have different chips. for a total of 3 different weeks on one dual kit. check it out.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Picture003.jpg
i just got some bh-4! from a guy in bulgaria, it cost me 400$ for a 512mb stick. so far it does 2-2-2-11 280 with 2.9vdimm.
http://www.maxvla.com/host/pamet.jpg
in case anyone is wonder how i got it, it because thats my little unreal fantasy. if i had bh-4 i would be creaming myslef to death. :p:
are you nuts? 400$ ...geeze...you can get BH-5 for 90$ at outpost...
Lol :D
Btw, aida32 doesn't know from wich week my corsair ch-6 is...
Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
BH4 :rolleyes:
"Need information about these chips.
Thanks...
They mad about 40 modules over a year ago...they have now stopped production using the B die so don't expect to see any BH4."
:lol: Guys, he was joking...
Ahuh.
So, what kind of BH-5 RAM is still for sale, and what kind of chips are used in OCZ EL 3500/4000?
yes I have just read the last sentence lol, I should rather go to sleep :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SAE
read the stepping! 2330D!
i have some results for bh5 with 2332D and similar steppings if you look at the database! i didnt know what to do with those steppings as i wasnt sure what week they are. could it be those were bh4 dies relabeled as bh5? :eek:
lets assume winbond made a small series of bh4, but it was too expensive to make it in a large series and the memory manufacturers didnt realize the potential of the chips (it was before the bh5 hype) and thougt the chips were too expensive, so winbond still had this small series of bh4 chips. so what were they going to do with it? throw them away? maybe they used some of them and relabeled them as bh5 to be able to sell them? :eek:
the overclocks obtained with those chips are not that spectacular, but remember it was very early bh4! so it could be true... what do you think?
You need to go to bed a bit earlier... :)
Yep... I agree ;) :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rub87
This is with the corsair pc3500c2 rev1.1 at 3.5vdimm,is this a good one :).
i would say an average to good stick :)
thx a lot for sharing :)
...BUT to be able to add it to the database you will either have to take the heatspreaders off or give me the aida32 reading ;)
383% efficency ?
Ok we'll do,but a can't bench nomore with that 3200+ becaus he's dead:(,and i was'nt finisht benchen,so i have to wait on a new cpu or/and mobo,i don't no yet if the mobo is also dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
here is some more for the list, printed on the chips:
339wf
w942508bh-5 (adata 256 mb, 3,6V 2-2-5-2 275Mhz spi, 269mhz 3dmark, nforce3)
340wf
w942508bh-5 (adata 256mb, 3,6V 2-2-5-2 266Mhz 3dmark, nforce3)
thx a lot pistolpete!!!! :toast:
I have 2 sticks of BH-5 ram
one is kingston hyper-x 3000/512mb's
marked: 0305 p01
D328DW-45
and the other is from unknown manufacturer, 256mb's and onesided stick
marked:
247WE
W942508BH-5
overclocking:
tested on friends dfi nf2 ultra infinity
kingston 240 cpc off 2-2-2-7
and 256mb's 245 cpc on/off i don't know and also 2-2-2-7
I have nf7-s mobo with barton 2600 (unlocked) and both bh-5 stick don't overclock well.
with 256mb's stick i can't get stability at any fsb and with corsair it isn't stable even at 200fsb
look's like i have a bad mobo.
and this is my first post @ xtremesystems forum :toast:
thx a lot mazyk! and welcome to XtremeSystems :D :toast:
about the kingston stick, since its relabeled memory, can you give me the aida32 info about it?
and you forgot to tell me how much vdimm you used :)
and the kingston did 240 and the no name 245? both on an nf2, right?
and the no name stick, what was it? 3200?
UPDATE: i changed the color scheme, not all sticks with a high oc are now marked as blue, but instead ive now taken the vdimm into consideration as well. :)
i can't give u aida info because my friend still has it in his mobo and i have his mushkin 3200 222 special 2×256 stick (bh-6 chips) and it is funny, on his motherboard this memory overclocks to 250 mhz with no problem and on my mobo it is not stable on 210! :(
he used 3,3V on vdimm and i also have Vdimm mod on my nf7-s and i also run 3,3V. but, my board sucks. with bh-5, bh-6 it doesn't overclock for nothing but with my GEIL pc3200 value DC kit overclocks to 225 stable on 2.5-3-3-11 and highest clock I achieved with them was 236 but highly unstable.
noname stick is rate as ddr400 cl2,5.
i have to change my mobo, very soon, maybe i will wait for a mont or two and then buy a DFI lanparty UT nf3 250gb + athlon 64 . i hope that will overclock a little better than this nf7-s
edit: noname bh-5 stick tested with cpc on @245
updates on my KHX3000/512
2.0-2-2-x 2.90v 220mhz
2.0-2-2-x 3.00v 225
2.0-2.2-x 3.10v 230
2.0-2-2-x 3.20v 235
omg so linear now...
all CPC off...
next is 2.0-2-2-x 3.3v 240 then "BURN IN" needed...lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
EWWWW! i pray for your bh-5.
and i for your BH-4 :D
yeah that sounds like a crappy board. a modded bios might help, but not enough to not make it worth to upgrade to an a64... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazyk
good luck! id recommend a 939 90nm a64 to you :)
yeah, thats how most bh5 scales, 5mhz per.1vQuote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
the good stuff scales a bit better with up to 8mhz per .1v , some even 10mhz per .1v , but thats vanilla crystal ultra bh5 were talking about here :D
UPDATE:
im adding statisctics to the database, check out the first page :)
im open for improvements, let me know :)
saaya...i tried many different bioses. tictacs, trats, merlins. cpc on and off.
with winbond memory it just doesn't want to overclock but with geil it is pretty cool.
i also tested friends hyper-x khx3500/256 (probably ch-5 chips) and the overclock to 235 & 245fsb. (he had 2 sticks). i really don't know what is the problem with my board.
is it an older board? i heard the older nf2 boards had problems running tight timings at a high speed and would oc higher with 2.5-3-3 than with 2-2-2
he has same mobo i used to have abit nf7-s 2.0...
i was getting 215fsb easily with same ram i sold him :>
it's not that old. half a year, maybe more.
mazyk...go to "user cp" and write inside your system :>
jado :P
I have just tried khx3000/512 on my nf7.
fsb@200 and timings 2.0-2-2-7. the thing is not stable at all. cpc is on. i cannot boot into windows and memtest freezes in couple of seconds.
wtf is wrong?
my friend got 220fsb stable with cpc on. maybe bh-5 & nf7 hate each other?
lol, not at all!!!!
maybe YOUR board hates bh5...
you still havent replied my question, is it an old board? what revision? what nb stepping? a1 a2 a3 c1?
it's v2.0
but where can i read nb stepping?
in cpu-z
it's C1.
i simply hate this board. 2 sticks of bh-5 memory which overclock to xtremez but not on my board. grrrrr
faulty board... sell it and go a64 :) believe me, you wont regret it ;)
i know i won't.
but i don't have money for a64 system. when i get money, i get a64
ok, this is off topic for too many posts now :P
please make a new thread about your problems , maybe somebody else can help you :D
i changed the database a lot, any suggestions? do you think it looks better now or was looking better before? stats are not ready, will update that later when i have time, so it shows the average oc of 512mb sticks vs 256mb sticks etc etc :)
I like it, Sascha :DQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Well done :thumbsup:
is it symmetric or what? :D hahaha :D i think i exaggerated the syymetry a bit :lol:
Saaya,
Just tested a single 512MB stick of Mushkin PC3500 blvl2 with 340WF chips. Results were a max speed of 260MHz at 3.6v, 875P.
Pic: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...246#post565246
Edit: Above was max speed, although unstable. Max stable speed was 255MHz at 3.4v.
maybe you could make some graphs sayaa. maybe to see if there is a certain peak with with speed at around a certain time. and you should ask for the people to tell you if its max oc or max stable oc. might make things easier to understand. ;) but i do like the added info. we just need to get the word out so more people add their steppings.
my one stick of BH-5..
3092E
W942508BH-5
245 FSB, 3.3V
Abit NF7
gogetta, is that 100% stable?
READ! :P those are stable ocs. some might not be 100% stable, but they are 99% stable (some are superpi stable, some are prime95 blend stable, some are memtest stable.)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
read the first lines on top, i told everybody to only post stable overclocks and recommend people to run prime95 blend and a game at the same time as its a very quick way to test the stability and make sure its at least 99% stable.
and im working on graphs ;)
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...chmentid=17773
stang, what brand and rating is that stick? and is it a 512mb or 256mb stick?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stang_Man
thx a lot for posting :toast:
whoops sorry, must have missed that last night.
Twinmos PC3200 256MBQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
your welcome! glad to help :)
Yessir - 255MHz at 3.4v. I have a feeling I will be able to get more out of it when I switch to a lower multiplier cpu...the 3.0c I used for this test tops out at 260MHz. I'll post an update in a day or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Mkay, I have 2x512s of Mushkin L2 PC3500 here. Both are 338WF, one does 255 stable and the other does 258 stable, on 3.2v, when run individually. :D They have quite a bit of burn-in time @ 3.2v I really need to get a better PSU, that I can crank the 3.3v rail on, or pick up an OCZ Booster. :cool:
Quote:
Originally Posted by spaceman
Ui... A64 I assume?! :D
W942508CH-5
0328WI
3.1VDIMM
230 2.5-2-2-11 CPC ON
great ram...
SiSoftware Sandra
Benchmark Results
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 3454MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 3113MB/s
Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE (Integer STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 3465MB/s
Scaling : 3464MB/s
Addition : 3446MB/s
Triad : 3444MB/s
Data Item Size : 8-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 93% (estimated)
Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE (Float STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 3466MB/s
Scaling : 3159MB/s
Addition : 2929MB/s
Triad : 2898MB/s
Data Item Size : 8-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 84% (estimated)
weird AIDA32 can't report it
http://freeweb.siol.net/tadej27/buffalo.jpg
it runs 2.5-2-2 but doesnt run 2-2-2? 0_o
step by step
235 2.5-2-2-11 CPC ON 2*256 DC
geeze how did i wanted to sell these ram...it's better then KHX3000/512 i have lol
SiSoftware Sandra
Benchmark Results
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 3468MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 3117MB/s
Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE (Integer STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 3400MB/s
Scaling : 3578MB/s
Addition : 3447MB/s
Triad : 3450MB/s
Data Item Size : 8-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 92% (estimated)
Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE (Float STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 3404MB/s
Scaling : 3202MB/s
Addition : 2959MB/s
Triad : 2906MB/s
Data Item Size : 8-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 83% (estimated)
Melco DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 256 MBytes
are you going to post results for every 5mhz step? :P hehehe
try 2-2-2, im sure it will work :)
Ayup, mobile 3000+ and DFI 250 Gb. :) The only prob I have is, my 9x CPU multiplier. Maxing out the RAM @1/1 only gives me something like 2250 MHz. :( Things look like they might improve tho, see the DFI has a winner thread. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
wow, thats a very nice oc for 1gb!!!! and only 3.2v... thats really nice! :)