time will tell, i will save for the x800pro.
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time will tell, i will save for the x800pro.
:) nice ...
Yes it will be very interesting to see if the Pro can be flashed to an XT... as soon as someone finds out please let everyone else know! :)
My fingers have been crossed on this matter ever since ATI released that the cards were going to be 12 and 16 pipe.Quote:
Originally posted by PCBliss
Yes it will be very interesting to see if the Pro can be flashed to an XT... as soon as someone finds out please let everyone else know! :)
macci...any mods on this ati yet?
_zZz_
ATI have put a hardware lock in there as well this time apparently ... according to Dave Baumann at b3dQuote:
Originally posted by scrible88
My fingers have been crossed on this matter ever since ATI released that the cards were going to be 12 and 16 pipe.
Regards
Andy
That`s okay too. As long as my soldering iron can sort it out :up:
i'm already saving for a X800XT :-D
Something tells me there will be alot of 9800's in the for sales thread:D Great score Macci, cannot wait tio see it clocked to the full.
Yes this will be a good time for people looking for a 9800 Pro, there should be a ton of used ones up for sale soon! Good prices on good cards. I think i will keep mine though for my second rig, and have an X800XT in my main rig.
likewise...Quote:
Originally posted by PCBliss
Yes this will be a good time for people looking for a 9800 Pro, there should be a ton of used ones up for sale soon! Good prices on good cards. I think i will keep mine though for my second rig, and have an X800XT in my main rig.
regarding the huge CPU-limit wall we have slammed into...
does anyone know if 3DMark2001/3DMark2003 can take advantage of SMP (mutli-processor). There was some talk while back about multiple core Opteron.... since ATI/nVidia doubled their pipelines maybe its appropriate that AMD/Intel double the cores....
:banana4:
I'm afraid not.Quote:
Originally posted by ***Deimos***
likewise...
regarding the huge CPU-limit wall we have slammed into...
does anyone know if 3DMark2001/3DMark2003 can take advantage of SMP (mutli-processor). There was some talk while back about multiple core Opteron.... since ATI/nVidia doubled their pipelines maybe its appropriate that AMD/Intel double the cores....
:banana4:
Regards
Andy
PS Wonder if 3dmark04 might have a 64 bit version, has anyone asked this question ?
Seems to me like they would have a whole new version.
macci got 16k in 03 tonight. Almost 100fps on Trolls Lair, 50fps on previous cards was pretty good going, how things have moved on. Jason will be doing a nice score as well when he gets his XT if it proves to be a good one.
P4E not doing any favours I guess, a nice P4EE would be the order of the day me thinks :)
Nice score, very nice core clock on the XT.
:toast:
Regards
Andy
wow thats sick! has Macci uploaded that 16k? I still say theres room for improvement, remember the 10k Macci got on 9800xt? I wont predict where we will end up, but way over 16k
IIRC, the P4E's were just as good as the P4EE's in 3DMark03, from the benchmarks I saw.Quote:
Originally posted by zakelwe
P4E not doing any favours I guess, a nice P4EE would be the order of the day me thinks :)
Who will be the first to hit 1ghz core on X8 series? ;)
Not going to happen. If they could, the 9600 would have already been there.Quote:
Originally posted by STEvil
Who will be the first to hit 1ghz core on X8 series? ;)
hes right, the 9600 pros run cooler so if Macci got his hands on one of those hed be at 850-900MHz. I doubt we will see past 800MHz on the x800s but once ati goes 90nm then yes 1GHz
Really ? :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
IIRC, the P4E's were just as good as the P4EE's in 3DMark03, from the benchmarks I saw.
Does the extra cache not help on at least GT1 ? You could be right and I am assuming things.
Maybe FUGGER could advise ?
Regards
Andy
According to macci its not that great, but the benchmarks I saw showed the P4E doing fine...
In another thread macci said sth. about the P4EE being worth about 400-500 pts. more in 3d03 - I'm not sure whether that is because of higher clockspeeds, the larger cache or a mixture of both though ...
The problem is because english is so imprecise. When I say that 3DMark2003 is not system limited (unless you're running it on a P75), I mean that because its a GPU-benchmarks specificly written in such a way to stress the GPU. When I say that P4EE wont affect 3DMark03 scores, I mean that scores wont scale linearly. Here is a good explanation.
6800Ultra or x800xt you get ~12k stock with P4 3.2 or A64 2.2
However, with a 9800xt you will get only about half that. Clearly the CPU is capable of driving that many 3DMarks. However, it only influences performance slightly.. lets pretend its 10%, whereas the rest is GPU. So if I double CPU I get only about (90%)*12k + (10%*12k*2) = 13.2K...
I'm sure you all know this already. I've done a little experiment to determine just how much CPU speed affects 3d03 scores. It turns out it does affect it, but not as much as many people think. I compared my score above to one with my CPU at a much lower speed. You can click on the links for exact details.
6,616
This test was with my 2500+ at 2706mhz (12x225) and the 9800 Pro at 448/356.
6,209
This test was with the CPU at stock 2500+ speeds. (11x166) and the 9800 Pro at the same 448/356 as above.
Now, a difference of 866mhz for CPU speed, and 59mhz for the FSB, made my 3d03 score increase by a mere 6.5%. The difference between a 2706mhz AMD running 225fsb is huge compared to a 1840mhz AMD running a 166FSB. I admit i wasnt even expecting there to be a 6.5% difference between the scores, but regardless the difference isnt much...
You can also see from the image below exactly where the faster CPU speed gained me more points. All of the tests are nearly identical except for game test 1, Wings of Fury. Here a 47% increase in CPU speed and a 36% increase in FSB speed raised the GT1 test score by 27.5%.
http://www.uploadit.org/PCBliss/3d03compare.jpg
And here is a comparison of my 2706mhz run with the card at 448/356, compared to a run with my CPU at stock 2500+ speeds (1840mhz) and the 9800 pro at stock speeds (378/337.5). You can also see by comparing this to the above picture that GT1 isnt affected much by the much lower 9800 Pro clock speeds. With the same CPU speed, going from 448/356 to 378/337.5 on the 9800 pro lowered GT1 scores by less than 3%
http://www.uploadit.org/PCBliss/3d03compare2.jpg
The thing is that cpu grunt always counted only in GT1 but now it seems the video cards are so powerful they also count in GT2 3 and 4 as well to a small extent.
Someone needs to give a demonstration on cpu speed in GT2.3.4 with one of the new cards so we can see percentage increase.
Regards
Andy
Man, I thought I would NEVER hear those words uttered by you ;)Quote:
I wont predict where we will end up
Macci, great work as allways :)
Damn quick let me take a printscreen, lolQuote:
Originally posted by nailbomb
Man, I thought I would NEVER hear those words uttered by you ;)
Macci, great work as allways :)
Yo nailbomb is that a pic of your cat in your avatar??? Coz that looks exactly like my cat.. damn this is sooo weird...
Great work Macci, hope to see 17k with our uber system... don't make us poor fellas wait..
You are right. We are starting to see some CPU benefits on GT3. With 6800Ultra or X800Xt it would probably be more pronounced.Quote:
Originally posted by zakelwe
The thing is that cpu grunt always counted only in GT1 but now it seems the video cards are so powerful they also count in GT2 3 and 4 as well to a small extent.
Someone needs to give a demonstration on cpu speed in GT2.3.4 with one of the new cards so we can see percentage increase.
Regards
Andy
PCBliss: I did the same kind of tests. Although with more conservative speeds (Athlon XP @1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5 9800pro and 9800pro at 430/390)... unfortunatly those results were stored on Seagate 200GB which has a little accident. But, same thing. GT1 always CPU dependent (not linear I found), and all the others GPU only pretty much.
[SIZE=3]But 9800pro is so boring nowadays. Lets see this "test" on 6800ultra or x800xt!![SIZE=3]:rocker:
VeRY VERY nice score there Macci! it is as if you always are able to astound the OC' community! and btw VERY nice briefing documents you recieved ;)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...017#post442017Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Not going to happen. If they could, the 9600 would have already been there.
back up a page or two in this thread :rolleyes:
:confused: :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by STEvil
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...017#post442017
back up a page or two in this thread :rolleyes:
What are you trying to show me?
"clock range has been extended to 900mhz"
Doesnt that mean anything to you?
Of course that doesnt mean he was actually working at that frequency (800mhz shown) but he also stated that it changes automatically as needed which points to the fact he may well be at or near that frequency for the purpose of that screenshot.. as referenced by the "its not maxed out :D" statement that was first made...
HINT HINT possibly?
I know very well how ATI Tool works, I have used it myself.Quote:
Originally posted by STEvil
"clock range has been extended to 900mhz"
Doesnt that mean anything to you?
Of course that doesnt mean he was actually working at that frequency (800mhz shown) but he also stated that it changes automatically as needed which points to the fact he may well be at or near that frequency for the purpose of that screenshot.. as referenced by the "its not maxed out :D" statement that was first made...
HINT HINT possibly?
He was only displaying how to increase the max frequency you can select. His current max clock is around 750 on the core.
As I stated in my previous post, 1Ghz is NOT going to happen with these 130nm process GPU's.
1Ghz is gonna happen!!!! Im gonna tell you!!! IT will happen only if its for a second of two..
So you're saying that a GPU made on the same process as the previous 9600 that maxed out at 700-800mhz, is going to get some sort of magic 200mhz + boost, with more transistors, more heat output, and 4x the number of pipelines?Quote:
Originally posted by Djuice
1Ghz is gonna happen!!!! Im gonna tell you!!! IT will happen only if its for a second of two..
LOL seems like one of his famous predictions. and no one would do a 1GHz suicide clock, it would just lock up if it doesnt fry the card outright. I can see 800-850MHz tops on the x800 but no more. not even 900MHz without maybe ln2. 800MHz with dry ice or casade would be about the limit
seems like one of HIS famous predictions?Quote:
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
LOL seems like one of his famous predictions. and no one would do a 1GHz suicide clock, it would just lock up if it doesnt fry the card outright. I can see 800-850MHz tops on the x800 but no more. not even 900MHz without maybe ln2. 800MHz with dry ice or casade would be about the limit
OMFG
When Ati or nvidia move to 90nm low k process there might be a chance of 1Ghz speeds, but the rate at which they are adding transistors and features maybe not even then.
Something damn wrong with this monitor this morning. I'me going to reboot
Regards
Andy
Who knows.. nobody thought the 9800XT's would get to the 650 range.. :D
Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
So you're saying that a GPU made on the same process as the previous 9600 that maxed out at 700-800mhz, is going to get some sort of magic 200mhz + boost, with more transistors, more heat output, and 4x the number of pipelines?
Sure it will.. dont you think? :p:
I say no way the X800 is hitting 1Ghz..
Quote:
Originally posted by STEvil
Who knows.. nobody thought the 9800XT's would get to the 650 range.. :D
yea but people got them to 600MHz a week after the 9800xt's came out. Macci is at 750MHz now. I fail to see where he can get another 250MHz from. 50-100 maybe but no way 250 :(
Mind you, there is always the 99th percentile card that " very luckily " falls into the hands of someone like the top 3d benchers.
Most of the time of course these cards end up at stock speeds doing mainly Freecell.
So I think it is possible but also highly unlikely, if someone does get one though they are going to be very hard to beat .
So the top out will be likely nearer 800 than 1000 by averages.
Regards
Andy
So will we all be able to get the scores macci is geting 30k, with the X800XT.
ovcourse, however because 3d01 isnt so gpu intensive, your going to have to erase that cpu bottleneck as much as possible, the only test you'll do quite well with even with a crappy cpu/fsb oc is nature.
Well, no....welll, maybe....Quote:
o nailbomb is that a pic of your cat in your avatar???
I predict that it is indeed NOT my cat with an unreasonable degree of uncertainty. Or, is that a UNreasonable degree of CERTAINTY? Or, wait a minute...maybe its a reasonable degree of certainty? Ermm...uhhhhh.....a low order of probability perhaps?
I dunno...I can't predict WHO's cat it is.....
:banana:
"Consults text on Quantum Mechanics"
Lol.... another day another Gforce sig.... :D
Who even cares anymore. They're getting so good.Quote:
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
LOL seems like one of his famous predictions.
so is macci going for 36k and when is OPP entering the race.
Not sure.Quote:
Originally posted by althes
so is macci going for 36k and when is OPP entering the race.
He is at a cooling disadvantage for now. Haven't heard anything about him getting a new system up and running yet. They aren't cheap...
I thought both Macci and Oppainter had dual casades? If not theres always ln2 which is EVEN better and theres dry ice. cheap and 2nd to casade. Jason's cooling of choice to be top of the orb
pretty sure opp's dual cascade broke when trying to hit 10k in 03.
wow thats a big loss :( I thought just his 9800xt broke and he couldnt fix it. without a casade, he still has dry ice to do and will be like 2nd or 3rd place
GFT,Quote:
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
I thought both Macci and Oppainter had dual casades? If not theres always ln2 which is EVEN better and theres dry ice. cheap and 2nd to casade. Jason's cooling of choice to be top of the orb
Just for future knowledge, although DI has a static temp of nearly -80C, it doesn't COOL like that! In practice, a DI rig cools more like a r404/r507 Mach II. Quite a step down from Cascade and a world apart from LN2 :D
C
good point there charlie
example:
X800XT core clock:
dryice => 717
cascade => 752 (so far)
752... Darn that was a freakin lot... Hehe... Burst through the speed barrier... How high is ram speeds?? Are what are U coolin them with?
How cold does LN2 get??? Or what i mean is how cold the actual CPU gets@LN2???
Is it 1 of Tom Holcks cascades?? Or a homemade???
35MHz higher core clocks with casade over dry ice! That is just amazing! How much higher would ln2 give over casade, Macci? any estimates in the ballpark? Any plans to use ln2 ;) well dry ice is cheap and easily available over mach II prometeia and great for a quick benchmark. How long does a pound of dry ice last you? an hour?
Well Toms FX-53 is running 3.5Ghz@-112C degrees load i think he said... Wouldnt it be nice to see a X800XT on his cascade???Quote:
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
hes right, the 9600 pros run cooler so if Macci got his hands on one of those hed be at 850-900MHz. I doubt we will see past 800MHz on the x800s but once ati goes 90nm then yes 1GHz
But who knows... Stop predicting... People said that 0.13 was 600Mhz max... It went way over that... Perhaps some1 will end up with a really nice X800XT and max OC it... Not very likley but maybe...
And besides... Who the hell cares??? Wait and see... All this prediction doesnt work in OC computer world... 1 CPU reached max 4Ghz... Another reaches 5.2Ghz...
Besides the 03 score will probably be beaten to hell by the 6800U... It scored 125XX@stock... And the thing is running 400Mhz...
no, the 12.5k was the extreme 6800u at 450/1200 the normal ones get near 12k and there 400/1100. the x800xt gets the same as a normal 6800u but the x800xt is way ahead in 2001
.... and the 6800U is better in 03... Less time posting - more time reading. Best '01 is probably A64 FX & X800Xt and in '03 P4EE & 6800. Expensive time to be a bencher. I'm not a 3dmark zealot but I see this, thought everyone did. :confused: Of course, this isnt a general rule but looks to be the trend.... see what's what when the dust settles.
Its just a wait and see now.
On conventional cooling, yes.Quote:
Originally posted by Mini
But who knows... Stop predicting... People said that 0.13 was 600Mhz max... It went way over that...
But supercooling is a different story.
I dont know anyone that got their 9800 pro to 600MHz air cooled, but a few have done this with their 9600 pro/xt. supercooling greatly extends the limits :)
Perhaps you guys should have a look see at that X800Pro scaling article on firingsquad.com
6800U vs x800xt doesnt matter. They are very similar in hardware and have very high performance (albeit nVidia still needs to fix lots of problems ;) ... but, in most cases they are CPU-limited!! Ofcourse if you play, and run benchmarks at 2048x1536, where you are GPU limited than diregard what I say, but for all us mortals, we need faster CPU. Perhaps thats why enthusiasts are getting so exited about Socket 939?
isnt the x800 like .11?...which was why it could oc even more..
Its .13 .. like the RV360. Smart move to test the .13 design on their midrange cards before moving to .13 their high-end series.Quote:
Originally posted by HawainPanda
isnt the x800 like .11?...which was why it could oc even more..
I never had a Cascade. I would have to go to Captaincascade's shop when I wanted to bench with the cascade.Quote:
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
I thought both Macci and Oppainter had dual casades?
Last time there the 9800XT card blew:D
I should have a X800 pro next week.
I'll first shoot for my best score useing 404 MachI on CPU and -46C R22 cooler on the 800pro.
Then I'll step up to a Chilly1 GPU casdcade and see how much further the card clocks.
After all that, my new dual evap cascade for my house should be ready and I'll be able to bench here at home on a pretty nice cooler:D
I wish I had a damn card already though.
OPP
Then I wish you luck, as some has told me, he said that 3dmark 2001 has become very cpu limited now cause the gpus are so fast. you actually gain more in both dragothics with higher cpu speed than gpu speed now! any estimates what you will end up at, Oppainter? will you be getting s939 soon to try on your x800 pro
Just getting started with my Radeon X800 XT:
Vgpu mod
13016 in 3DMark03 (Air cooling)
ORB Compare url
Tomorrow it's time for LN2!! :D
http://www.soneraplaza.fi/GetImages/...0,49501,00.jpg
wow sweet, try 2001, youd be the 2nd guy besides macci to try the x800xt. can you do a 2001 run with the x800xt stock? I still like to know for sure what it does in nature. 260fps?
Very nice Sampsa, hope things go well for you tomorrow. What voltage are you running the Ati at ?Quote:
Originally posted by Sampsa
Just getting started with my Radeon X800 XT:
Vgpu mod
13016 in 3DMark03 (Air cooling)
ORB Compare url
Tomorrow it's time for LN2!! :D
http://www.soneraplaza.fi/GetImages/...0,49501,00.jpg
You ought to come over here more often with your endeavours . :toast:
Regards
Andy
I am slightly puzzled by the change in colour between gpu mod card and Ln2 card though.
Does the Ln2 shock the red paint pigment into quivering green paint pigment ? :)
Regards
Andy
Good to see you back on the orb Sampsa. Top of the hall of fame at that:DQuote:
Originally posted by Sampsa
Just getting started with my Radeon X800 XT:
Vgpu mod
13016 in 3DMark03 (Air cooling)
ORB Compare url
Tomorrow it's time for LN2!! :D
http://www.soneraplaza.fi/GetImages/...0,49501,00.jpg
Nice looking v-mod, I like the on-off jumper.
Macci,
When will you be putting up scores on the Hall of fame?
I got me a X800 Pro and I'll be doing some runs tonight with 404a on the CPU and R22 on the GPU.
Looking good:)
OPP
Great job Sampsa! Keep them coming, you should hit 14-14.5 once you ramp up the card clocks.
Zakelwe, the vgpu mod is a photo of a pro, and the dry ice photo is of his xt. Nice clean work on the vgpu mod!
OCRookie,Quote:
Originally posted by oc-rookie
Great job Sampsa! Keep them coming, you should hit 14-14.5 once you ramp up the card clocks.
Zakelwe, the vgpu mod is a photo of a pro, and the dry ice photo is of his xt. Nice clean work on the vgpu mod!
Congrads on you and 2fast4Us scores, nice benching:toast:
OPP
Thanks boss! We'll be in major catch up mode once you get up and running. Looking forward to your benchs. :toast:
These cards run almost too cool, I have only had two 1 hour sessions before I had to shut down for condensation.....
Thats funny about the cards running cool.Quote:
Originally posted by oc-rookie
Thanks boss! We'll be in major catch up mode once you get up and running. Looking forward to your benchs. :toast:
These cards run almost too cool, I have only had two 1 hour sessions before I had to shut down for condensation.....
I had mine on my R22 cooler last night, the thing was doing -58, never has it been that cold.
My session only lasted half an hour before the fog rolled in through my window and put a damper on things:D
OPP
Thanks everyone.
The green card is actually Macci's beta-version of X800 Pro. I'm just running some benchmarks to Muropaketti.com's R420 article and we tested the copper cup with it. VGPU mod is done on X800 XT.
We'll be doing some heavy overclocking tomorrow together with Macci and Kamu. Later it's time for sauna, beer etc, whole LN2 session will be broadcasted to Internet live via webcam ;-)
Looking forward to the show.Quote:
Originally posted by Sampsa
Thanks everyone.
The green card is actually Macci's beta-version of X800 Pro. I'm just running some benchmarks to Muropaketti.com's R420 article and we tested the copper cup with it. VGPU mod is done on X800 XT.
We'll be doing some heavy overclocking tomorrow together with Macci and Kamu. Later it's time for sauna, beer etc, whole LN2 session will be broadcasted to Internet live via webcam ;-)
You can leave the sauna shots out though:D
OPP
Whoops I was totally opposite. hmmm 3 benchers with LN2, beer, and new hardware......:rocker:Quote:
Originally posted by Sampsa
Thanks everyone.
The green card is actually Macci's beta-version of X800 Pro. I'm just running some benchmarks to Muropaketti.com's R420 article and we tested the copper cup with it. VGPU mod is done on X800 XT.
We'll be doing some heavy overclocking tomorrow together with Macci and Kamu. Later it's time for sauna, beer etc, whole LN2 session will be broadcasted to Internet live via webcam ;-)
Hehe yea its gonna be silly Team Finland pwnage tomorrow (hopefully we dont get too drunk before the OCing starts..) :D
GFti4200, You'll see some 2001 action next week once I get Win2000 installed on my A64+K8N rig. Should give a decent result with this crazy OCZ RAM stuff (SPi 1M @295MHz 1:1 3-2-2-8-8-16 so far). The CPU should be able to run at 282x11 1:1 - maybe more if I do couple extra Vmods to mobo and remove the spreader =)
Can't wait macci :)
But just like OPP suggested, do leave out the drunk sauna shots. You never know what could happen :smileysex :D ;)
edit: LOL @ our postcounts :)
cant wait on those results
Looks like OPP just got the top spot from the HAll Of Fame of Futuremark:
13552 with X800Pro :toast:
Thats it for the night:)Quote:
Originally posted by macci
Looks like OPP just got the top spot from the HAll Of Fame of Futuremark:
13552 with X800Pro :toast:
I'll try the Chilly1 GPU cascade tomorrow and see If I can't get this card running higher.
OPP
thats not bad at all, what clocks did you manage to do? also how did you do in 3dmark 2001 ;)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7850206
just found that link. not bad at all. nice round number too. wow almost 300 in nature, thats just sick! I remember when your 200fps on 9800xt blew everyone away, history repeats itself :banana: :toast:
Opp, tried setting the X800 to AGP4x in the display settings? *hint hint* ;)
C'mon... Wakey wakey :DQuote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Thats it for the night:)
I'll try the Chilly1 GPU cascade tomorrow and see If I can't get this card running higher.
OPP
And I wanna see Macci on webcam/tv/whatever ... :D
:toast:
Nice work Opp, seems strange so few XS team mebers at the top of the Orb, glad there is ..one !
Good luck with the dual cascade as well.
Drinking and then LN2, those crazy Fins. I don;t want to see the sauna shots either, especially if you start hitting yourselves with branches .. urrgh !
Any link to the web broadcast ?
Going to be a fun weekend
Regards
Andy ( with chicken pox off his daughter :( )
Someone better record that video for me. I'm going to have to be slaving away at work mand won't be able to see it. I don't want to miss the sauna parts ;-). Please keep those in....lol.
Off topic but Andy be careful there. I had it about 8 months ago and I`ve never felt so bad...2 weeks in a cold dark room was all I wanted (so what`s changed lol).
BTW well done to Macci, OPP and oc-rookie!
Webcam is up and running:
http://www.muropaketti.com/webcam
I'm picking Macci from train station in 2 hours and overclocking starts propably in 3-4 hours.
:-----)
BTW, Whole session will be also recorded with videocam and I'll edit short film later.
This is going to be good. I`m off to watch some rugby and back in a few hours to see drunk Fins set world records. Good weekend me thinks. Sampsa just remember the cup with black stuff around it is`nt beer :)
I am going to bed now, but good luck Macci! what do you predict you will get this time? 37k? 38k? also I look forward to seeing recorded webcam of your overclock and beer party :D
This is your job. :DQuote:
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
I am going to bed now, but good luck Macci! what do you predict you will get this time?
You're job is the theorie and macci's for the practice.
BTW: Nice to see what cpu clocks show up in the Top 20. A 2 GHz Athlon and some 3.4 GHz P IV. Compare this with maccis 10K XT run. :slobber:
These cards are really NexGen.
Webcam showing some action....
Yes. F1 on TV, LN2 on TFT. What about lowering the refresh time from 30 to 20s?Quote:
Originally posted by andyddr
Webcam showing some action....
thank you sampsa for letting us watch :D
Yeah please guys can you lower the refresh time. So which one is Macci? Light or dark top?