Never mind. Here to help :DQuote:
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
ok, thanks alot. :D
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Never mind. Here to help :DQuote:
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
ok, thanks alot. :D
Is there a mod that stabalizes low voltages? Because even running 1.85v I see my vcore dip as low as 1.65vcore at times, and it isn't my PSU.
Afaik there's only the vdrop/overcurrent protection and vcore mods... as well as vdd, sb vdd and vdimm. Try to ubercool your mosfets, that may reduce your drops a little, a fan blowing to them would be of assistance too.Quote:
Originally posted by Lithan
Is there a mod that stabalizes low voltages? Because even running 1.85v I see my vcore dip as low as 1.65vcore at times, and it isn't my PSU.
The bios 5/5 (be careful) stabilizes vcore voltages too, but maybe you won't see this in hardware monitor cause the monitoring chips are sometimes cr*p...
hey SAE, should i disable "Onboard FDC Controller" in my integrated peripherals? everything else in there including onboard serial port 1, onboard IRDA select, and onboard parallel port are disabled. that sound about right?
in my genie bios settings, where I can disable/enable SATA, above that is "IEEE1394 chip control". can i disable that? and do u have FastWrites enabled in your bios?
Fastwrites always off, as they tend to lock my system up in windows or even before.Quote:
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
hey SAE, should i disable "Onboard FDC Controller" in my integrated peripherals? everything else in there including onboard serial port 1, onboard IRDA select, and onboard parallel port are disabled. that sound about right?
in my genie bios settings, where I can disable/enable SATA, above that is "IEEE1394 chip control". can i disable that? and do u have FastWrites enabled in your bios?
Genie menu showing sth like sata mode/raid directly at the end of the list (scroll fully down)... this has to be disabled as well. (for me it's to diasble the whole list under the voltage settings in genie menu)
...you can disable floppy controller too. But I dunno what effect it has. Never do that cause I need it to transfer bioses and 3dmark files quickly to my internet rig :D
thnx. do u disable the "IEEE1394 chip control" right above the sata/raid option?
Everything in this list ;)Quote:
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
thnx. do u disable the "IEEE1394 chip control" right above the sata/raid option?
anyone have the dfi datasheet??? i need that because my 12v is in short circuit with ground!
if u cant give me the datasheet, u can tell me what is chip that controlls the 12v in motherboard?
cumps
In the light of the turn of events at the Amdmb/DFI forum, I think we should be prepared to kick things into a higher gear here with regards to getting our heads around the DFI sisters and continue to improve them as benching tools.
It would appear that DFI have such poor QA and PR, that they have upset a great deal of people. The resulting backlash of which seems to have put their online support over the edge. I think that the more enlightened (e.g. the people who are members here) may have to continue the level of user support and build on it in the potential absence of any tangiable DFI support.
With the lack of production bioses, the ignorance/apathy of the TW offices we have been pretty much on our own already and the signs are that they are washing their hands of us. So lets continue looking after each other guys. At least the ranting will not find its way here, so it cannot be used as an excuse (not that it would here) for us to turn a blind eye to ourselves.
No problem, Gaz. I am really fed up with those rants, unkind and offending speech (swearing)... I feel really sad and understand why AG and RGone act like they do. I hope everything gets fine again, and all those peeps hating dfi (it seems) go away. :DQuote:
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
In the light of the turn of events at the Amdmb/DFI forum, I think we should be prepared to kick things into a higher gear here with regards to getting our heads around the DFI sisters and continue to improve them as benching tools.
It would appear that DFI have such poor QA and PR, that they have upset a great deal of people. The resulting backlash of which seems to have put their online support over the edge. I think that the more enlightened (e.g. the people who are members here) may have to continue the level of user support and build on it in the potential absence of any tangiable DFI support.
With the lack of production bioses, the ignorance/apathy of the TW offices we have been pretty much on our own already and the signs are that they are washing their hands of us. So lets continue looking after each other guys. At least the ranting will not find its way here, so it cannot be used as an excuse (not that it would here) for us to turn a blind eye to ourselves.
We stay together, we die together. Bad boys for life ;) :D
I get the feeling that AG didn't realise what he was getting himself in for. It is clear that Taiwan themselves are not interested in helping us and I can see why that would frustrate AG.
I do not believe that DFI Tw have never seen things like the cold boot issues or the incidents of bios hosing like they claim. That is a whitewash.
But at least we can rely on each other here.
btw, SAE. Stop browsing the forums and go and find 2 more 3Dmarks. :p
Yeah. AG is really f***ed...Quote:
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
I get the feeling that AG didn't realise what he was getting himself in for. It is clear that Taiwan themselves are not interested in helping us and I can see why that would frustrate AG.
I do not believe that DFI Tw have never seen things like the cold boot issues or the incidents of bios hosing like they claim. That is a whitewash.
But at least we can rely on each other here.
btw, SAE. Stop browsing the forums and go and find 2 more 3Dmarks. :p
P.S. I already found more than that, but cpu variation error. Go and watch my thread ;)
yeah.. he looks pretty pissed off. but he should understand where the ppl are coming from. u will see like at least 2 ppl posting a thread EVERY day there regarding the cold boot or 4 LEDs of death. dfi TW needs to pick it up.. theyre just making us theire guinea pigs.Quote:
Originally posted by Angry Games
here's my third and final post on this subject.
Clean this forum up. No longer will I accept anything but users/customers seeking help. You want to discuss how crappy DFI is, go find another forum/section or complain to the company offices.
Your :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:ing and moaning belongs in an email to DFI.
This forum is for help. Not for you to complain to me about how much you hate DFI.
You dont like DFI, you have three options:
1. ask for help. We (RG and I) will do our best to help you out.
2. sell/return your motherboard and buy something else
3. write or call the DFI offices.
My job is not to filter out all the bs that is going on here. My job and RG's job is to try to help people fix issues.
We do not get paid to listen to your opinions of how crappy you think we or our company is. That is what management gets paid to listen to.
We are DFI techs to try and help customers solve issues.
WHen you plug up a forum with ranting and raving all it does is make it impossible for users to find the help they need.
So here is your final word on this. Police yourselves and clean this place up and use it strictly for what it was intended for, or we (the DFI reps) will vacate it and you will be on your own.
This is exactly what has happened at the Abit section, and all the other sections that have lost their reps. They moved on to a place they had complete control over so they could actually help customers.
That is exactly what is going to happen here if things persist in the manner they are going.
Before you reply back with any rude comments, remember that there are hundreds of users that come to this particular section. Don't bother opening your mouth if its going to be something that ruins it for everyone else. Because it will ruin it for everyone else.
Mods and admins here are not going to police you like you need to be policed. I cannot police you here.
I can choose to move on to a place where I can police you and the content you post.
Its up to you. Make your choice and remember that many many others depend on this forum for help and insight and discussion.
PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION. Take it or leave it, it is entirely up to you as a community.
They Qualify for xtreme methinks and would add yet another dimention to thinks here (mispellings intentional) Should be fun heheheheh....:frag: :bounces: :wierd: :explode:
P.S. Drag Evilous in here too, need someone to help tinker w/ biosi.
(I really have to get my pile of parts together so I can play coherently)
SAE : where can i get dfi beta0505 bios thanks
My DFI contines to amaze me.
Running 240fsb one stick of 512mb CH-5 and 2 sticks of 256mb BH-5. Prime95 stable. 11-2-2-2-2 timings with CPC disabled (havent tried enabled) 3.3v
:toast:
Im in the DFI camp just in time for them to stop support? heh
Shiny new Infinity going to be mod'd tommorrow. LPuB already tweaked and screaming.
I give up on ABit, huge investment awaiting a simple bios tweak, fk them.
nice mods there Lastviking. there were realy somthing i could use there!
I got the
dfi infinity revA+
2 *256 KHXpc2700 (BH-5)
xp2500m
watercooled and put heatsinks on northbridge/southbridge
The best I can do stable is
http://www.geocities.com/sofaking1337sauce/cpuz1.gif
http://www.geocities.com/sofaking1337sauce/cpuz2.gif
If this doesn't show here is a link to my stuff
http://www.geocities.com/sofaking1337sauce/cpuz1.html
I am not running any special bios as of yet I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction as to which one?
Also what do you recommend high FSB or clock speed? Also I can get 240 FSB out of my memory and run for hours, but if I restart my rig it fails to boot... =(
Also I have a cold boot problem, the first power on fails to boot, so turn off and on again and I am solid.
any tips you guys can give me would be awesome and much apprieciated.
ps. I am also having trouble with dual channel, my machine will post but after windows start up splash screen it crashes and restarts.
TO ANSWER THE ?
It is 2*256KHXpc2700 double-sided.
Thank you very much for you help
For best overall stability use 1-21... here: http://www.dfi-street.com/bios.htmlQuote:
Originally posted by SofaKing
I got the
dfi infinity revA+
2 *256 KHXpc2700 (BH-5)
xp2500m
watercooled and put heatsinks on northbridge/southbridge
The best I can do stable is
http://www.geocities.com/sofaking1337sauce/cpz.JPG
I am not running any special bios as of yet I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction as to which one?
Also what do you recommend high FSB or clock speed? Also I can get 240 FSB out of my memory and run for hours, but if I restart my rig it fails to boot... =(
Also I have a cold boot problem, the first power on fails to boot, so turn off and on again and I am solid.
any tips you guys can give me would be awesome and much apprieciated.
Is your KHX single or double sided? And a very special question ;) :
what exactly is the the best you can do stably as the link does not show any pic for me... ? (he edited :D )
P.S. Welcome to the sickness :toast:
responded in previous post thanks SAE
Thats the official infinity bios 11/27 for u. It really is a stinker. Any other bios helps the problem (at least they will warm boot from overclocked settings). The latest 4/29 & 5/5 solve the cold boot issue altogether for me but they do have a failure rate when flashing. No one can say which bios suits ur board, u just have to suck it and see.Quote:
Originally posted by SofaKing
Also I can get 240 FSB out of my memory and run for hours, but if I restart my rig it fails to boot... =(
Also I have a cold boot problem, the first power on fails to boot, so turn off and on again and I am solid.
I got the 1/21 bios flashed and its running sweet, I am still having problems with Dual channel, I have double-sided KHX pc2700 it will post, then boot windows and crashes right away. I am running CPC now with the new bios and I no longer am experiencing cold boot problems.
here is a link to my setup right now
http://www.geocities.com/sofaking1337sauce/cpuz1.html
I haven't yet messed around with anything new except for CPC and trying to get Dual channel to work properly I hope on of you guys gots an answer for me:stick:
Thanks guys
Late
I would check stability in single channel first, cpc off. Put both sticks in the close set dimm slots (dimm 1 & 2). Then move the middle (dimm 2) stick to the right (dimm 3) and run in dual channel. Find ur max o/c. Then turn cpc on and start at 200fsb and work up. Then when u find ur max o/c with cpc on (in dual channel) decide which gives the best performance: the max fsb with cpc off or cpc on.
If u have trouble with dual channel its the board's fault if u can run nicely in single channel. Double sided ram and cpc enabled can work if you are lucky, but its generally the norm the cpc is off for ds ram. I believe the Kingston ram is double sided even with 256Mb, unlike my twinmos bh-5.
not really sure about that.. i tried it and i lost about 500 pts in 3dmark01..i was using cat 4.1:)Quote:
Originally posted by Lastviking
Gfx drivers:Cat 3.2"If you have R9800Pro"
I have seen SAE recommend cat 3.1. A clean install would be the only way to fairly judge since, apparently u lose 1% performance with every driver change.Quote:
Originally posted by Bad-Religion
not really sure about that.. i tried it and i lost about 500 pts in 3dmark01..i was using cat 4.1:)
Yeah. CATs 3.1... those make you loose some frames in nature, but the gains you get in the other tests and the higher graphics clocks make up for it...Quote:
Originally posted by megatron
I have seen SAE recommend cat 3.1. A clean install would be the only way to fairly judge since, apparently u lose 1% performance with every driver change.
I tried 3.2, 3.5, 3.7 and 3.1 were the best.
hi. i have serious probs with this issue.
but my biggest problem is, that i am not able to fix it by shutting down apic. the system locks up while starting windows.
or do i have to reinstall win 2k after shutting down apic in the bios?
Don't disable it in bios, if you installed windows with that...Quote:
Originally posted by masterpain
hi. i have serious probs with this issue.
but my biggest problem is, that i am not able to fix it by shutting down apic. the system locks up while starting windows.
or do i have to reinstall win 2k after shutting down apic in the bios?
Disable it in win2k by going to Systemsteuerung/system/gerätemanager/PC and click on ACPI-Uniprocessor-PC and reinstall its drivers, choose acpi-pc instead... then reboot and you should have apic disabled.
If it does not fix it, you may try to cool your SB better, set vdd to 1.9V and maybe setting pci latency to a higher value (64 or 96... 128) with the help of 8rdavcore - latest beta.
P.S. Welcome to the sickness, my German fellow :D
Hi just wondering if anyone has tried the 4-29 bios. If not, do you know what is changed? hehe 4-29 is my bday :-D
Hi,
This is my first post here, I've a DFI Ultra Infinity, bios 1/31, running an XP-M@10*250 with 2*256MB Corsair V1.1 11-2-2-2.
But I've no 3D stable @ this fsb, 3dm2k1 returns to desktop :(
My graphic card is a SUMA TI4200SE, prime is good in tt blend, so I do not understand.
What do i have to do ?
Thx
it looks like a vcore issue. Either your chip doesnt have enough vcore, or it cant handle that speed. Or it can be something else, but it is prolly the vcore. Try lowering the multiplier to 9 with the same vcore to see if its the ram or mobo.
3D stability issue when the CPU runs prime fine.... AGP access timings. Try dropping memory settings to 11,3,3,3,2.5 at the 250Mhz point and test. Also, at 11,2,2,2,2.0 lower FSB till you reach 3D stability point.
To test, 3Dmark is NOT good enough, you can pass it and still not be stable. Download the Farcry demo....or go buy it... and run that for 1-2 HOURS straight without an error. At that point you are sure of 99.9% stability.
If it runs ok with loose timings 3D at 250Mhz, then you know its the AGP access to memory that is forcing you to back off memory speed a bit. You need to bench and decide which is best... 230Mhz x11 11,2,2,2,2.0 or 250Mhz x10 11,3,3,3,2.5 (just ex: #'s).
We all face the issue of all NForce2 bios's have one set of memory timings, rather than seperate CPU vs AGP access timings.
Obviously your CPU access timings are fine at 250Mhz, but are too fast for the AGP-to-memory path..... join the club.
so what about the 4-29 bios...i cant find any information on it, and before i go through the trouble of flashing, id just like to know whats changed :)
Mobile CPU recognition, cold boot fixed, compatability for higher latency ram and a random b00rking of the Bios chip were implemented with the 4/29
Quote:
Originally posted by Kobalt
so what about the 4-29 bios...i cant find any information on it, and before i go through the trouble of flashing, id just like to know whats changed :)
it works quite fine. i have just tested it.
but i did not gain any extra speed from this bios. :(
and even with this bios it is not possible to run 11-2-2-2-2 for me (testing @ 6-2-2-2-2). and it is no stable to run my khx 3000 bh-5 (2*512mb) in dc @ any clock or voltage. i will test them with memtest 86 if they are still working as they should.
@ sae: do you think a zalman heatsink with a 40mm*40mm is enough for the sb?
Im on 505-T6-121. Still DFI and all NForce2 makers need to solve the high FSB 3D stability....BUT... more data points.
Im on single stick testing, my 2x 512M BH5 KHX3000K2/1G will do 230Mhz 11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd;6/15/6/15/6/15 in dual channel max for 3D stability. No dropouts, etc all 100% perfect for a zillion hours straight, memtest#5 prime, 3Dmark, Farcry, etc etc.
Same ram, one stick at a time....250Mhz flawlessly.
BTW I need my toaster-sig, who do I send the snaps too.
In dual channel both sticks do 250Mhz flawlessly until.... 3D, anything having the AGP bus do AGP accesses at 250Mhz dual channel causes failure. All 2D benches, software, etc works like a charm, hours on end but 3D....clunk.
Thing is, the 3D works like a charm at 250Mhz in SINGLE CHANNEL mode with either stick. So there is something about the timings setup of the AGP accesses that pisses off dual-channel. The CPU accesses work fine.
BTW, Im APIC on, 8x, Fastwrites, SBA enabled, and 96 AGP latency.
Awesome to see sound/lan/etc flawless at such high FSB's... great BIOS .....AMDMODDEV and Boyz!
Toaster on DFI support forums...Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Im on 505-T6-121. Still DFI and all NForce2 makers need to solve the high FSB 3D stability....BUT... more data points.
Im on single stick testing, my 2x 512M BH5 KHX3000K2/1G will do 230Mhz 11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd;6/15/6/15/6/15 in dual channel max for 3D stability. No dropouts, etc all 100% perfect for a zillion hours straight, memtest#5 prime, 3Dmark, Farcry, etc etc.
Same ram, one stick at a time....250Mhz flawlessly.
BTW I need my toaster-sig, who do I send the snaps too.
In dual channel both sticks do 250Mhz flawlessly until.... 3D, anything having the AGP bus do AGP accesses at 250Mhz dual channel causes failure. All 2D benches, software, etc works like a charm, hours on end but 3D....clunk.
Thing is, the 3D works like a charm at 250Mhz in SINGLE CHANNEL mode with either stick. So there is something about the timings setup of the AGP accesses that pisses off dual-channel. The CPU accesses work fine.
BTW, Im APIC on, 8x, Fastwrites, SBA enabled, and 96 AGP latency.
Awesome to see sound/lan/etc flawless at such high FSB's... great BIOS .....AMDMODDEV and Boyz!
read here and post your screenie showing everything AG wants too see in one screen (no photoshop)...
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...s=&threadid=21
I assume you have CPC off? How would we be able to change agp stability? OSKAR sometimes reads DFI forums and you maybe could open a thread about that in the OC section there :)
Yes, it works fine in single channel, thx ;)Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Thing is, the 3D works like a charm at 250Mhz in SINGLE CHANNEL mode with either stick. So there is something about the timings setup of the AGP accesses that pisses off dual-channel. The CPU accesses work fine.
BTW, Im APIC on, 8x, Fastwrites, SBA enabled, and 96 AGP latency.
Awesome to see sound/lan/etc flawless at such high FSB's... great BIOS .....AMDMODDEV and Boyz!
Nice MB :
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0005385.jpg
I could do that pifast 32m stable and 3dstable using dual channel, max timings (incl. CPC) and apic with my old board... (R.I.P.) :(Quote:
Originally posted by Kant
Yes, it works fine in single channel, thx ;)
Nice MB :
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0005385.jpg
Hi SAE...
Think about the memory controller as a DUAL CPU controller. Your mobile athalon is ONE of the cpus, and your AGP card is the other.
It is a special purpose CPU but it accesses memory just as the Athalon does.
Well, those accesses are governed by timing settings, just like the Athalon accesses. I would "hope" NVidia broke them out as seperate settings, but WE only get access to one set of timings.... which are meant for the CPU, but what exactly gets used for the AGP we dont know.
This is probably something Oskar has already dealt with somewhat, since DFI gets higher 3D stable FSB more easily.
But perhaps he needs to go a little further in the loosening of the AGP stuff so more of us can get 250Mhz 3D stable with tight CPU/memory timings. As it is, we have to back off in general to make the AGP accesses happy. So this is where Oskar can help.
Ultimately give us another page full of memory timings, etc :D
Hehe. uwackme, pal. I already read your postings about that issue :thumbsup: You seem to know your stuff well :)Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Hi SAE...
Think about the memory controller as a DUAL CPU controller. Your mobile athalon is ONE of the cpus, and your AGP card is the other.
It is a special purpose CPU but it accesses memory just as the Athalon does.
Well, those accesses are governed by timing settings, just like the Athalon accesses. I would "hope" NVidia broke them out as seperate settings, but WE only get access to one set of timings.... which are meant for the CPU, but what exactly gets used for the AGP we dont know.
This is probably something Oskar has already dealt with somewhat, since DFI gets higher 3D stable FSB more easily.
But perhaps he needs to go a little further in the loosening of the AGP stuff so more of us can get 250Mhz 3D stable with tight CPU/memory timings. As it is, we have to back off in general to make the AGP accesses happy. So this is where Oskar can help.
Ultimately give us another page full of memory timings, etc :D
But my older board could do 264 3dstable... (at last several times through 3dm01)... without the apic problems I am experiencing now. :(
Those China boards are cr*p IMO... I need a Taiwan one to survive till I can afford an a64 3500 and S939 (630euros atm).
Anyone giving me one... ? :D
But you don't have a Ti4200 :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
I could do that pifast 32m stable and 3dstable using dual channel, max timings (incl. CPC) and apic with my old board... (R.I.P.) :(
I will try with an hercules 9700pro
Yes, I have 2 Taiwan boards here... LP and Inf. Microcenter.com has older stock on these apparently, so you are pretty sure of getting a TW board.... at least in the Cambridge Ma store here.
Believe me, after all the ATI cards that have past through my hands for freinds/family, Im with you on the China QA issue. Some really bad cases of cold-solder joints, etc.
My INF is 3D stable at 235Mhz so far... Ill creep up on it.
I need to get some baby SMD resistors to do the VCore changes, and Im out of 50K (SB vdd) pots, plus I need a 200K to do Vdimm.
I want to do the mods, even if I dont actually turn the pots for increases, at least they will be there if I need them. Im dying to switch over but need to get this running 100% perfect... too much of a pain tearing down the fnished system to mod.
Might even consider getting another 80G HDisk to try a 4X raid0 experiment....peg that PCI bandwidth to the wall :D
I still need Raptors for myself, I luv them on my brothers machine.
A ti4200 will often get you higher... it does not draw this much power from the system... especially at my clocks.Quote:
Originally posted by Kant
But you don't have a Ti4200 :toast:
I will try with an hercules 9700pro
Hey. I would order one if I could... but I am in Germany. That's a problem. They don't have any Taiwan boards left here it seems. :(Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Yes, I have 2 Taiwan boards here... LP and Inf. Microcenter.com has older stock on these apparently, so you are pretty sure of getting a TW board.... at least in the Cambridge Ma store here.
Believe me, after all the ATI cards that have past through my hands for freinds/family, Im with you on the China QA issue. Some really bad cases of cold-solder joints, etc.
My INF is 3D stable at 235Mhz so far... Ill creep up on it.
I need to get some baby SMD resistors to do the VCore changes, and Im out of 50K (SB vdd) pots, plus I need a 200K to do Vdimm.
I want to do the mods, even if I dont actually turn the pots for increases, at least they will be there if I need them. Im dying to switch over but need to get this running 100% perfect... too much of a pain tearing down the fnished system to mod.
Might even consider getting another 80G HDisk to try a 4X raid0 experiment....peg that PCI bandwidth to the wall :D
I still need Raptors for myself, I luv them on my brothers machine.
I need a TW board... my Chinas one does not respond to the sb vdd mod, it lags when vdimm mod is connected and is overall unstable at high clocks... (fsb & cpu) Moreover it corrupts the bios more often.
I am frustrated since I know what I could do on my TW board... :(
This is not a problem of power, but of agp timings :slobber:Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
A ti4200 will often get you higher... it does not draw this much power from the system... especially at my clocks.
Ugh that sux. Not responding to the SB mod, must be a real dog of a chip. By lags, what do you mean? Sporatic response in 3D?
Ive been gaming a bit with ONE stick of BH5 in at 250Mhz..... no sound or lan troubles at all....AmericasAr,y beats on sound and lan and would drop out quickly before going to the 505-T6-121 bios on the LPuB, the INF didnt get a chance to ride anything but this bios ;-)
Im testing each stick alone, with wide range of drivestrength and slew settings. All is based on:
11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd
250Mhz x10, 1:1, 66Mhz agp, 1.8V agp, 1.7V Vdd, 1.85Vcore, 3.3Vdimm
Takes forever to test each setting. Do you want me to try and track down a TW board?
Do the sb vdd help you anything on the TW board? And in what then?Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
A ti4200 will often get you higher... it does not draw this much power from the system... especially at my clocks.
Hey. I would order one if I could... but I am in Germany. That's a problem. They don't have any Taiwan boards left here it seems. :(
I need a TW board... my Chinas one does not respond to the sb vdd mod, it lags when vdimm mod is connected and is overall unstable at high clocks... (fsb & cpu) Moreover it corrupts the bios more often.
I am frustrated since I know what I could do on my TW board... :(
The lagging I was referring to is like the mouse/the whole system 's not responding for about 2-4seconds when moving the mouse while opening apps or just moing the mouse too fast. It's really annoying :mad: But it only seems to happen when the Vdimm mod is connected. Weird it is.Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Ugh that sux. Not responding to the SB mod, must be a real dog of a chip. By lags, what do you mean? Sporatic response in 3D?
Ive been gaming a bit with ONE stick of BH5 in at 250Mhz..... no sound or lan troubles at all....AmericasAr,y beats on sound and lan and would drop out quickly before going to the 505-T6-121 bios on the LPuB, the INF didnt get a chance to ride anything but this bios ;-)
Im testing each stick alone, with wide range of drivestrength and slew settings. All is based on:
11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd
250Mhz x10, 1:1, 66Mhz agp, 1.8V agp, 1.7V Vdd, 1.85Vcore, 3.3Vdimm
Takes forever to test each setting. Do you want me to try and track down a TW board?
P.S. Sent you a PM :)
No. I would say never change/mod a running system without problems... :rolleyes: With the TW board it did not help any, with this current China one it's the same :(Quote:
Originally posted by Lastviking
Do the sb vdd help you anything on the TW board? And in what then?
I have a 123W TEC on the NB, it's a 15.4V one at 12V and it cools down the board well, hehe. But it also seems to have no effect on the China board. (besides I can run everything at 1.7Vdd ;) )
Sorry I have not answered this earlier... just forgotten ;)Quote:
Originally posted by masterpain
@ sae: do you think a zalman heatsink with a 40mm*40mm is enough for the sb?
Should be enough, but to make sure everything's cool put a small fan there, too :)
That is somthing I havent seen yet... mouse jumpies.... I assume a plain PS/2 mouse this was on?
I did actually... and it freaked me out, just as I installed the INF for testing.....turned out to be the wireless mouse battery :D What timing.
On the Vdimm-mod connected thing, perhaps its electrical noise vs the way you are doing it? I use 30ga solid Kynar rework wire for all mod's and keep the length as SHORT as possible, looks to be a 1/2" max length on each run, glue the POT to the cap next to the little square controller chip...which NEEDS a heatsink on it BTW. Position that sink so that the resistor for the mod isnt overlapped. Grab the ground on the "EC54" missing capacitor mounting hole. If the mere presence of the pot in the circuit throws off the stability, I dare say the Vdimm circuit is out of balance at high FSB....maybe near some overvoltprotection point, or just at the edge of the stable operating window of the regulator. IE: there is more to switching regulator stability then just the output voltage.
How is anyone getting 3D stability beyond 230-ish Mhz? Ive got some buttkickin ram here and 230Mhz 2x 512M @3.2V is the best it will do.... though each stick ALONE does 245Mhz with the same specs. Hell of a drop for engaging dual-channel (and 16 more chips load on the control lines).
Nice thing with this latest bios..... 245Mhz signle stick, not a peep of trouble lan/sound/mouse/usb.
When I speak of stability, I mean HOURS of FarCry/AArmy/Everquest in the most demanding circumstances, plus prime stable for HOURS, and memtest test#5 stable for 100+ passes error free before we even both to go to WinXP/2K.
Funny thing, my ram does NOT scale down? 11,3,3,3,2.5 just doesnt wanna yeild any real improvement, where as on my CH5 it used to be good for 5-10Mhz more FSB.
Yeah. Plain old MS Intellimouse optical on PS2 port...
And the vdimm mod's only interfering with something with the newer bioses... I am at 1-21 now and that seems to be the only one the board likes :( And with that I cannot up the fsb through software... Locks up quickly.
Did you try slot 1 +3 combined. Those were the best slots for my KHX3200, and always put the best stick in slot 3.
BH-5 often does weird thing as it did on my old TW board... at T(RC) 9 T(RFC) 12 is was stable, at higher settings (slower) it wasn't... lowering timings did not gain me sth, too...
I am currently gaming Splintercell 2 at 11.5x255 and it's working well so far. But that's not satifying as it should do much higher clocks stably :(
Some info from me..
Runed a Xp-m 2400(35w , Aqyha "Bad stepping") @9x259Fsb 24/7 without problems (cpu interface:optimal = not losing sound,usb).
changed it for a Xp-m 2400(35w,IQZFA) tried to run 250fsb+ but failed mouse looked and sound with (cpu interface:optimal)
Changed bios to "B505-C18" the looking problem disipered but sometimes the compter crashed... it´s time to test a new one know again.. Tec will help you to raise higher fsb in clockgen but i don´t know 24/7 speed. (Taiwan boards).
The LP board is wierd.. Maybe i try a AN7 and keep the best LP board.. AN7 geeting stronger and stronger..
4-29 bios -> have cas 3 settings = default = bad if you don´t have any cas 3 sticks to change the timing. bh5 cant run cas 3
More fiddling around.....240Mhz x10; 2x 512M 3D stable
AGP bus latency 64, AGP controller latency 96
11,2,2,2,2.0,9,12;6,5,6,3,3,5,6;e,e,f,d;6,7,6,7,6, 7
1.85Vcore, 1.8Vagp, 1.8Vdd, 3.3Vdimm
Stick "B" in dimm1, stick "E" in dimm3
Too hot to test higher than 2.4Ghz..... tommorrow.
Well done :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
More fiddling around.....240Mhz x10; 2x 512M 3D stable
AGP bus latency 64, AGP controller latency 96
11,2,2,2,2.0,9,12;6,5,6,3,3,5,6;e,e,f,d;6,7,6,7,6, 7
1.85Vcore, 1.8Vagp, 1.8Vdd, 3.3Vdimm
Stick "B" in dimm1, stick "E" in dimm3
Too hot to test higher than 2.4Ghz..... tommorrow.
That's helluva variety of settings... do you set the AGP things with 8rdavcore? :)
Yep, was using 8rdavcore version 0.8.7.
WOuld like to find the AGP bus latency in WPCREDIT so I can do it automatically on startup. I know the AGP controller latency is bus#2dev#0Func#0 offset 0D.
I backed off it though, to default and still stable, so I dont really need it.
I need to research the "6,5,6,3,3,5,6" to find WHICH one(s) were responsible for the boost.... could be very valuable information for Oskar, in tracking down high FSB agp stability.
For cooling, I like the idea of dimm1 and dimm3 better than 2,3. An added bonus.
Anyone know how to set MBM5 up properly for the DFI? seems to not be quite there.
I am gonna test those additional timings later :DQuote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Yep, was using 8rdavcore version 0.8.7.
WOuld like to find the AGP bus latency in WPCREDIT so I can do it automatically on startup. I know the AGP controller latency is bus#2dev#0Func#0 offset 0D.
I backed off it though, to default and still stable, so I dont really need it.
I need to research the "6,5,6,3,3,5,6" to find WHICH one(s) were responsible for the boost.... could be very valuable information for Oskar, in tracking down high FSB agp stability.
For cooling, I like the idea of dimm1 and dimm3 better than 2,3. An added bonus.
Anyone know how to set MBM5 up properly for the DFI? seems to not be quite there.
And nice info on the AGP bus latency... :thumbsup:
For MBM there's a new file to set the right settings in MBM... if you wanna try. It's from the DFI forums.
Its confirmed, I put my brothers machine up, changed to the same settings, runs 240Mhz x10,5 3D stable like a champ....was stuck at 230Mhz previously.
Not sure the AGP thing is needed anylonger, but agp controller latency is 96 in the bios now. Bus is back to default 32.
Maybe Oskar can put both inthe bios menu's...and PCI too ;-)
great news!Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Its confirmed, I put my brothers machine up, changed to the same settings, runs 240Mhz x10,5 3D stable like a champ....was stuck at 230Mhz previously.
Not sure the AGP thing is needed anylonger, but agp controller latency is 96 in the bios now. Bus is back to default 32.
Maybe Oskar can put both inthe bios menu's...and PCI too ;-)
i have the same problems with my board when the fsb is at >240 mhz fsb. i will check these settings when my corsair pc 433 rev 1.1 arrives. i hope that it is bh-5. :banana:
More info..
B429-121 are rock solid @250fsb+ 24/7 games and more no losing sound,usb.
B505-C18 are not rock solid @<-240fsb 24/7 reboting and more.
Best so fair "B429-121"
any link for the B429-121?
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.p...4&page=1&pp=30Quote:
Originally posted by Malves
any link for the B429-121?
...should be there ;)
No luck! The old 1/31 is still the most stable BIOS for me. Funny thou, I've never had any issues with LAN, etc, etc at high FSB.
Maybe cause CPC off is not this aggressive... ?! :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Malves
No luck! The old 1/31 is still the most stable BIOS for me. Funny thou, I've never had any issues with LAN, etc, etc at high FSB.
how to use that ini file for MBM?Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
I am gonna test those additional timings later :D
And nice info on the AGP bus latency... :thumbsup:
For MBM there's a new file to set the right settings in MBM... if you wanna try. It's from the DFI forums.
ANd what the right setting for AGP latency...
I use DFI LP Rev B with BIOS 1-31 by Oscar Wu...
It kinds a strange...it won't boot on 250Mhz unless I boot it first with the relaks memory timing..and then go to BIOS and change it to tight timing (I use 11-2-2-2-2-"13-15")...anything tigher then the "13-15" make make system won't boot on 250Mhz....
I got questions for u guys also...
My USB 1-2 is not working after I flashed the BIOS with 1-31...I don't realy sure the BIOS is the problem...
Do u have any suggestions on the USB 1-2?...
You should open and read it... the upper section of the file is the description of it... :)Quote:
Originally posted by Massive
how to use that ini file for MBM?
ANd what the right setting for AGP latency...
I use DFI LP Rev B with BIOS 1-31 by Oscar Wu...
It kinds a strange...it won't boot on 250Mhz unless I boot it first with the relaks memory timing..and then go to BIOS and change it to tight timing (I use 11-2-2-2-2-"13-15")...anything tigher then the "13-15" make make system won't boot on 250Mhz....
I got questions for u guys also...
My USB 1-2 is not working after I flashed the BIOS with 1-31...I don't realy sure the BIOS is the problem...
Do u have any suggestions on the USB 1-2?...
AGP latency should be set to 96 to 255... 255 is the fastest, but the AGP could take and hold the bus for a very long period of 255 clock cycles... could also be negative...
Timing-wise DFI NF2 boards are really picky. And each board likes other settings :(
USB (peripherals at all) ain't in a very stable condition with the 1-31 in my experiences. It always drops peripherals very quickly... Use 1-21 to get stable peripherals.
I've done for the voltage.INI for the MBM...thanks, I gues I'm not reading it well :)Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
You should open and read it... the upper section of the file is the description of it... :)
AGP latency should be set to 96 to 255... 255 is the fastest, but the AGP could take and hold the bus for a very long period of 255 clock cycles... could also be negative...
Timing-wise DFI NF2 boards are really picky. And each board likes other settings :(
USB (peripherals at all) ain't in a very stable condition with the 1-31 in my experiences. It always drops peripherals very quickly... Use 1-21 to get stable peripherals.
Ok then....I try 1-21 later...but a lot people saying in this forum that 1-31 would be the best OCing BIOS....will the 1-21 decrease OC or it is vary between board too?
So you're saying that your board could do 11-2-2-2-2-9-12 at 250Mhz?
My board too :) And with CH-5 mem :D @3,3VQuote:
Originally posted by Massive ...
So you're saying that your board could do 11-2-2-2-2-9-12 at 250Mhz? [/B]
taimings: 5-2-2-2-2-9-15-0-0-3-3-0-2-2-e-e-f, CPC on, APIC-on
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/4k.PNG
and just for fun:D Damn, I wont CL1,5...
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/minimal.PNG
1-21 won't decrease your oc as it's more stable than 1-31. 1-31 uses the 133MHz romsip table for 200MHz. So it's way tighter in chipset timings, but decreases overall stability badly (at least with CPC on)Quote:
Originally posted by Massive
I've done for the voltage.INI for the MBM...thanks, I gues I'm not reading it well :)
Ok then....I try 1-21 later...but a lot people saying in this forum that 1-31 would be the best OCing BIOS....will the 1-21 decrease OC or it is vary between board too?
So you're saying that your board could do 11-2-2-2-2-9-12 at 250Mhz?
1-21 has probably a lower max clock in fsb (due to apic), but stability at max is superiour.
My ram did up to 267 11-2-2-2-2.0-9-12 at 3.45V on the good (dead) LP B. 264 was benching stable (at over 3GHz). Best clocks I achieved with multi 12x and 260 fsb though.
not bad at all for CH5 :) ..but go try for 5-2-2-2-2-9-12...see if it still works :)Quote:
Originally posted by Jaan
My board too :) And with CH-5 mem :D @3,3V
taimings: 5-2-2-2-2-9-15-0-0-3-3-0-2-2-e-e-f, CPC on, APIC-on
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/4k.PNG
and just for fun:D Damn, I wont CL1,5...
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/minimal.PNG
I've had my CH5 which can do TRCD 2 too but I trade it with a pair of BH5 chip
I haven't try 1-12 yet...
Yor Mobo dead because of too high FSB or what?
A mobo cannot die of too high fsb, but of too much modding and reworking :(
Ive converted to Infinity.... weird, MBM gets the -5V wrong? I even tried the DFI voltage.ini file, same. Also, does this board measure Vdimm? the "core1" reading is the same as "core0". on Abit it was Vdimm.
Other than that everything is great.
I've tryed- it works, but 9-15 is definitely faster for me.Quote:
Originally posted by Massive
not bad at all for CH5 :) ..but go try for 5-2-2-2-2-9-12...see if it still works :) ...
And 5-2-2-2 is a little bit faster than 11-2-2-2 (in PiFast)
chips:
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/chip3.jpg
I also noticed that... 5 is faster in pifast, but not as stable at high fsb as 11... I could not even boot into windows at 5-2-2-2-2.0-9-12... at 5-2-2-2-2.0-12-12 I could...Quote:
Originally posted by Jaan
I've tryed- it works, but 9-15 is definitely faster for me.
And 5-2-2-2 is a little bit faster than 11-2-2-2 (in PiFast)
chips:
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/chip3.jpg
You talking about BH or CH-5 now? :)Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
I also noticed that... 5 is faster in pifast, but not as stable at high fsb as 11... I could not even boot into windows at 5-2-2-2-2.0-9-12... at 5-2-2-2-2.0-12-12 I could...
And you mean you can boot with 11-2-2-2-2-9-12? and fsb was..?
I've seen 270Mhz in windows@ 5-2-2-2, but it freeze in a minute.
260 is quite stable@ 260Mhz, 5-2-2-2-2-12-15/3,4V screen
My bh-5... I also was in win2k at 270 but with apic off. my later benches were all with apic on and using 8rdavcore to up the clocks as I did not boot higher than APIC would let me into windows. Now you are saying you could get into windows at ...-12-15.Quote:
Originally posted by Jaan
You talking about BH or CH-5 now? :)
And you mean you can boot with 11-2-2-2-2-9-12? and fsb was..?
I've seen 270Mhz in windows@ 5-2-2-2, but it freeze in a minute.
260 is quite stable@ 260Mhz, 5-2-2-2-2-12-15/3,4V screen
But you said "9"-15 before... at these settings (the first matters) I could not get into windows. My fsb was 264+ benching stable as you can see in my sig ;)
Hi,
I want to do the Vcore mod, but I don't know exactly what I have to do, I found this :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/kant/images/...ratotalmod.jpg
But this isn't very clear, I want to have min 2.1V stable.
THX
You just won't get 2.1V stable (minimum) as these boards can give 2.08V stable max... and that's with all the mods.
The vcore mod involves soldering a 47/50k pot between leg 7 and ground. That's it. VSense does nothing. Vdrop stabilizes the voltage at the expense of a lower overall vcore (minimizes drop). OCP increases the current limit through the mosfets to the cpu.
Oki i think 2.08V with a R404a mach II and my mobile cpu is fine ;)
I tried the vcore mod but it wasn't stable, I think i will try the vdrop.
Thx SAE, you see Nventiv will be repurchased, that's cool for us :D
I hope so... just a guess from yours??? :)Quote:
Originally posted by Kant
Thx SAE, you see Nventiv will be repurchased, that's cool for us :D
It's not sure but here we talk about and that seems to be serious.
What APIC got to do with stability?...is it really make system more stable to OC when APIC off...Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
My bh-5... I also was in win2k at 270 but with apic off.
what to loose for the system if APIC is off all the time?...
APIC decreases 3D performance... it gives more stability with high vcore at high fsb, with raid cards/SATA... USB, sound...Quote:
Originally posted by Massive
What APIC got to do with stability?...is it really make system more stable to OC when APIC off...
what to loose for the system if APIC is off all the time?...
Yep uwackme, good job.Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Yep, was using 8rdavcore version 0.8.7.
WOuld like to find the AGP bus latency in WPCREDIT so I can do it automatically on startup. I know the AGP controller latency is bus#2dev#0Func#0 offset 0D.
I backed off it though, to default and still stable, so I dont really need it.
I need to research the "6,5,6,3,3,5,6" to find WHICH one(s) were responsible for the boost.... could be very valuable information for Oskar, in tracking down high FSB agp stability.
For cooling, I like the idea of dimm1 and dimm3 better than 2,3. An added bonus.
Anyone know how to set MBM5 up properly for the DFI? seems to not be quite there.
With my TI4200, I'm always not stable in 3D, the max I can do is the 6 first test in 3dm2k1... I can't pass an entire bench...
Fsb 250Mhz, Vdimm 3.3V, prime for hours, memtest and co are ok, latest bios from DFI (19/6)
I'd like to know how set the extra timings, cause I think they are responsible for the 3D stability, but I'm not able to find the correct timings.
Hope it will be better with my new hercules 9700pro...
wait.. u mean when u disable APIC it decreases 3D performance, right?Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
APIC decreases 3D performance... it gives more stability with high vcore at high fsb, with raid cards/SATA... USB, sound...
I think what he means that when APIC on...3D performance decrease...but it increases stability with high vcore at high fsb, with raid cards/SATA... USB, sound...Quote:
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
wait.. u mean when u disable APIC it decreases 3D performance, right?
and with APIC off its vice versa....right...CMIIW
:D
No! It's the other way around...Quote:
Originally posted by Massive
I think what he means that when APIC on...3D performance decrease...but it increases stability with high vcore at high fsb, with raid cards/SATA... USB, sound...
and with APIC off its vice versa....right...CMIIW
:D
APIC on is fastest but less stable with all peripherals... but APIC enabled gives you a nice boost in 3D performance.
can someone clear me up on what wpcredit tweaks u guys were talking about on page 7. are there any good ones I can try that could help out my overclock?
I think we were discussing AGP controller latency and AGP bus latency...8rdacore can diddle them..and the bios can diddle one, we were just talking about finding out what the address was for the other.
SAE: what bios are you using? is it safe to flash bios using thumbdrive? hehehe used the out of the box bios and i got to 257FSB 1:1 whats the highest FSB you have seen? thanks for your help
I am using the 5-5 modded by EvilouS atm... I am testing but I have no clue what 's the best one. I am actually sure that everything with the 1-31 romsip is no good for me.Quote:
Originally posted by JeffPH
SAE: what bios are you using? is it safe to flash bios using thumbdrive? hehehe used the out of the box bios and i got to 257FSB 1:1 whats the highest FSB you have seen? thanks for your help
highest stable fsb I have seen is around 260, you never would have a stable 265 or more because of the limitations of the board/chipset... :(
Nice fsb BTW :D
SAE: thanks for the info amma try it too :) any / commands after the awdflash.exe thing? thanks
what's the difference between 1-21 and 5-5 Evilous?...Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
I am using the 5-5 modded by EvilouS atm... I am testing but I have no clue what 's the best one. I am actually sure that everything with the 1-31 romsip is no good for me.
highest stable fsb I have seen is around 260, you never would have a stable 265 or more because of the limitations of the board/chipset... :(
Nice fsb BTW :D
I think 1-31 is no good for me either...always gave instability on FSB 250 using 11-2-2-2-2-9-12...I have to do 11-2-2-2-2-13-15 to make it stable on 3,3v with KHX BH5.
But I haven't try the 1-21 yet :D
Does FSB 265 is save?...will it kill the NB or the mobo???
I always use Winflash. I had to look up the commands in the file... There are more "timid" ;) users only using awdflash here, ain't it?? :D
You can also try the the Alt-F2 bootup flash... just load bios defaults, then put a floppy with the most recent awdflash.exe and the bios file into your floppy and restart. Immediately press Alt+F2 several times till it starts to read the floppy disk. The flashing procedure should begin.
EvilouS' bios allows higher fsb clocks due to better APIC optimizations that followed the 1-21... but it's way more risky to flash any bios newer than the 1-31 (4-29, 5-5), but there are also the new 6-1 and 6-19 to try (6-1 has the 1-31 RS). These should have less cold boot/warm boot issues and allow you to clear cmos without facing a no boot scenario... ;) (4-29, 5-5 did not load acceptable timings for bh-5 modules as default, 4th LED was lit)Quote:
Originally posted by Massive
what's the difference between 1-21 and 5-5 Evilous?...
I think 1-31 is no good for me either...always gave instability on FSB 250 using 11-2-2-2-2-9-12...I have to do 11-2-2-2-2-13-15 to make it stable on 3,3v with KHX BH5.
But I haven't try the 1-21 yet :D
Does FSB 265 is save?...will it kill the NB or the mobo???
Any fsb is safe as long as it's stable and you don't pump 50% higher voltages/currents in your board ;)
what points on the infinity can i test for actual vcore voltage with a multimeter? also, 2.1v is the most i want....what would be the fixed resistor value for that?
do i have to do the vsense thing if i just want 2.05 to 2.1v?
I managed to get 2.15v stable with a vmod on my Infinity without a vsense mod, but do not take that as Gospel as any hardened DFI abuser will tell you that everysingle board has a personality of its own. I'm not fobbing you off, but you would be best off finding out for yourself what is best for your board and I'm sure others will agree with me.Quote:
Originally posted by Naasar
what points on the infinity can i test for actual vcore voltage with a multimeter? also, 2.1v is the most i want....what would be the fixed resistor value for that?
do i have to do the vsense thing if i just want 2.05 to 2.1v?
p.s. I didn't measure the resistance of my vmod at 2.15v as that would have required de-soldering the mod.
what resistor value did u use?Quote:
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
I managed to get 2.15v stable with a vmod on my Infinity without a vsense mod, but do not take that as Gospel as any hardened DFI abuser will tell you that everysingle board has a personality of its own. I'm not fobbing you off, but you would be best off finding out for yourself what is best for your board and I'm sure others will agree with me.
p.s. I didn't measure the resistance of my vmod at 2.15v as that would have required de-soldering the mod.
You can get that stable maybe... but you mustn't have a high fsb at the same time (>245MHz).Quote:
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
I managed to get 2.15v stable with a vmod on my Infinity without a vsense mod, but do not take that as Gospel as any hardened DFI abuser will tell you that everysingle board has a personality of its own. I'm not fobbing you off, but you would be best off finding out for yourself what is best for your board and I'm sure others will agree with me.
p.s. I didn't measure the resistance of my vmod at 2.15v as that would have required de-soldering the mod.
Dunno bout the measure points for vcore, unfortunately. But iirc it could be read at the leg of the toroid you connect the vdroop mod to... rightmost choke, upper leg. But I am not 100% sure.
47K variable.Quote:
Originally posted by Naasar
what resistor value did u use?