It was a good run

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to the old timers here might remember me, I started my external watercoolers from this site called the "waterkeg" I learned so much from the members here and owe just about all my knowledge from this forum.. this used to be the most pristine forum on the interwebs in its day..... great community, great people. God, to only go back to my oc'ing days with my "Chilly1" phase changer and fx55/57 3.0ghz + days were so costly and FUN! Never want to see this forum go away....

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I remember.

And all the water cooling debates.

I recently got back into enthusiast happenings with my computer and revamping my cooling loops. So much has changed. Made me miss XS and then I come here and see its a ghost town. Makes me sad.

I see all these new faces on youtube talking about liquid cooling and discovering things we were debating and figuring out over a decade ago like its something new...

Is this what it feels like to be old?

EDIT: I really need to update my sig

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It sucks that a database was lost, have you tried the internet archive, NEOAethyr? If you're lucky it might have saved your thread on archive.org. Has to be worth a try!

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Yeah I just tried that, no luck on google, it used to be there for about a month after the forums crashed though.
That's what I get for being lazy :\.

Edit: Oh and on Archive.org it's not there lol, not much is on my end.

It certainly was interesting to see the Watercooling mod scene disappear in what seemed like an instant. We had a crazy active community back then... It still exists today I guess, but its less centralized and more commercially dominated.

As many have stated there's just not much to be had in the way of benefits from overclocking that you cant get from a self contained 240 WC kit. I still run a custom loop with WC CPU and GPU. Project Flow still lives today in its 5th full hardware incarnation.

My learning from this forum and experience building things and modding has helped me immensely in life and I always felt it put me at an advantage in engineering product design. I still "mod" things a lot, but it has more to do with work and my car.

Everyone have a great thanksgiving



thanks for your support

`steve

XtremeSystems isn't dead; until the spirit of youth gives up on pushing computers to their limits. On then on that day will XtremeSystems truly be dead.
We the old guard are aging and will some day die. Even if the forum server dies and there are no admins to restore it, the spirit will still live in the hearts of all those who truly wish to know the limits of the machines you have. Though it may go by different names and be staffed by different faces. The desire to push limits and do better is innate in who we all are.

Some used that knowledge to mine bitcoin when it was 10,000 to the dollar or Fold for WCG or simply try to set a world record. The greatest value we ever had was those that create something wonderful and share with others. We invented, we solved and we made the world a better place.

Now is the time for the next generation to decide in what new direction to go. To find the new mountain tops to climb and to make an impression to shake the world. Be bound not by the past but by the possibilities of the future given the technologies that are starting to be born.

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XtremeSystems isn't dead; until the spirit of youth gives up on pushing computers to their limits. On then on that day will XtremeSystems truly be dead.
We the old guard are aging and will some day die. Even if the forum server dies and there are no admins to restore it, the spirit will still live in the hearts of all those who truly wish to know the limits of the machines you have. Though it may go by different names and be staffed by different faces. The desire to push limits and do better is innate in who we all are.

Some used that knowledge to mine bitcoin when it was 10,000 to the dollar or Fold for WCG or simply try to set a world record. The greatest value we ever had was those that create something wonderful and share with others. We invented, we solved and we made the world a better place.

Now is the time for the next generation to decide in what new direction to go. To find the new mountain tops to climb and to make an impression to shake the world. Be bound not by the past but by the possibilities of the future given the technologies that are starting to be born.

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nn_step!!! How's it going?!?!? One of the OG's from the what I will refer to as the "golden era" of this forum (you and many others who have also posted here recently.. too many to name.). I recall when you made an XS_OS. I've often wondered how you've been, you and another guy... something "prime"... crud can't recall his handle at the moment.

Any how, good to see you post on here after a hiatus. Hope all is well. Cheers.

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XtremeSystems isn't dead; until the spirit of youth gives up on pushing computers to their limits. On then on that day will XtremeSystems truly be dead.
We the old guard are aging and will some day die. Even if the forum server dies and there are no admins to restore it, the spirit will still live in the hearts of all those who truly wish to know the limits of the machines you have. Though it may go by different names and be staffed by different faces. The desire to push limits and do better is innate in who we all are.

Some used that knowledge to mine bitcoin when it was 10,000 to the dollar or Fold for WCG or simply try to set a world record. The greatest value we ever had was those that create something wonderful and share with others. We invented, we solved and we made the world a better place.

Now is the time for the next generation to decide in what new direction to go. To find the new mountain tops to climb and to make an impression to shake the world. Be bound not by the past but by the possibilities of the future given the technologies that are starting to be born.

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And the award for most inspirational post ever goes to nn_step! wow. just wow. this community is something special.

Well to me this is home, I might not be as active as I was back in the day, but any time I think about building a new PC I come over here to check what you guys are up to.

I'm not able to participate in wcg as I moved from Venezuela 8 years ago where electricity was free (almost free) to Panama where electricity is 19cent kw/h which is horrible

Also, I believe XS might need to revamp into what people are nowadays like IG or Youtube (we missed an opportunity to build the most outstanding youtube channel with all the information we have over here)

Overclocking in general is sorta dying, in no small part due to cheaper and better profiling tools available at the foundry. 15 years ago, these tools didn't exist, and nobody really knew how good their silicon was (well, without spending more money than the profit you'd get from selling the chip, so you'd rather not find out). In the interests of making sure things work, they would market their silicon as if they were all the worst-case scenario in silicon quality. This resulted in companies leaving a lot of performance on the table, which you could then help yourself to by investing a lot of time into finding out just how good your chip was.

Things are different now. Profiling tools got really good, and really cheap. The fab knows EXACTLY how fast the critical path in your chip is. Armed with this knowledge, you can actually design your own auto-overclocking circuit that will push the silicon right to its theoretical max for every imaginable path through the logic. There's no way a human can compete with a machine like that. We aren't seeing this quite yet, by the way, but the first steps are already there, and I promise you it is being worked on. For now, the auto-overclocking technology is good enough to do a better job than most (but not all) overclockers. And it's only the first step.

It's bittersweet. On the one hand, the fun in trying to get a free lunch out of your expensive new toy is gone. There's no free lunch; if you want a faster CPU (or GPU, or whatever), the only answer is more money. On the other hand, the 99.9% majority of consumers that either don't know about the existence of the free lunch, don't know how to obtain said free lunch, or simply can't be bothered will benefit from the hardware doing it by itself.

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Overclocking in general is sorta dying, in no small part due to cheaper and better profiling tools available at the foundry. 15 years ago, these tools didn't exist, and nobody really knew how good their silicon was (well, without spending more money than the profit you'd get from selling the chip, so you'd rather not find out). In the interests of making sure things work, they would market their silicon as if they were all the worst-case scenario in silicon quality. This resulted in companies leaving a lot of performance on the table, which you could then help yourself to by investing a lot of time into finding out just how good your chip was.

Things are different now. Profiling tools got really good, and really cheap. The fab knows EXACTLY how fast the critical path in your chip is. Armed with this knowledge, you can actually design your own auto-overclocking circuit that will push the silicon right to its theoretical max for every imaginable path through the logic. There's no way a human can compete with a machine like that. We aren't seeing this quite yet, by the way, but the first steps are already there, and I promise you it is being worked on. For now, the auto-overclocking technology is good enough to do a better job than most (but not all) overclockers. And it's only the first step.

It's bittersweet. On the one hand, the fun in trying to get a free lunch out of your expensive new toy is gone. There's no free lunch; if you want a faster CPU (or GPU, or whatever), the only answer is more money. On the other hand, the 99.9% majority of consumers that either don't know about the existence of the free lunch, don't know how to obtain said free lunch, or simply can't be bothered will benefit from the hardware doing it by itself.

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These fabs you speak of don't expect people to be run chilled water or phase change and if not testing in this scenario then the max for them and consumers is well below ours.Don't forget we are getting All in one phase change systems and a Aio ln2 setup soon.Extreme clocking can be adopted by many more enthusiast when this happens. Also the lunch wasn't free,we spend a lot of time and sometimes finances to get said lunch and a lot of us are hungry like a wolf. ;)

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These fabs you speak of don't expect people to be run chilled water or phase change and if not testing in this scenario then the max for them and consumers is well below ours.Don't forget we are getting All in one phase change systems and a Aio ln2 setup soon.Extreme clocking can be adopted by many more enthusiast when this happens. Also the lunch wasn't free,we spend a lot of time and sometimes finances to get said lunch and a lot of us are hungry like a wolf. ;)

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These fabs you speak of don't expect people to be run chilled water or phase change and if not testing in this scenario then the max for them and consumers is well below ours.Don't forget we are getting All in one phase change systems and a Aio ln2 setup soon.Extreme clocking can be adopted by many more enthusiast when this happens. Also the lunch wasn't free,we spend a lot of time and sometimes finances to get said lunch and a lot of us are hungry like a wolf. ;)

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They don't really need to - the relationship between transistor switching speed and temperature is very well-understood. You only need to evaluate the speed at a couple temperature points to be able to extrapolate behavior at any temperature. The silicon will then run optimally at whatever temperature it happens to be at.
True, you could always throw in better cooling and watch the chip clock itself sky-high. But that is also a problem that is solved by simply spending more money.

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They don't really need to - the relationship between transistor switching speed and temperature is very well-understood. You only need to evaluate the speed at a couple temperature points to be able to extrapolate behavior at any temperature. The silicon will then run optimally at whatever temperature it happens to be at.
True, you could always throw in better cooling and watch the chip clock itself sky-high. But that is also a problem that is solved by simply spending more money.

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The cost of binning would make those chips limited run edition chips.
Everyone will then buy the regular chips and try their luck.:yepp:

Somehow this forum helped a pimple ridden teenager to helping the US Navy Fleet with there Cyber systems training. I partially thank my small obsession with this forum for that.

Have been through the most of the big events from this place. Late night IRC chats. Crappy video card challenge. When most people split off to XR (think it was xtremeresources). My first chiller back in 2003?

Great times.

I never was as active of a member here as I wanted to be (probably 'cus of lack of knowledge...), but, man, pretty much everything I know when talking 'bout OC'ing I learned here. Especially when it comes to vmods. Started back in SocketA-age and quickly got into Core2Duo, oh boy, did I enjoyed my Biostar TP35D2-A7 w/ the modded BIOS, HD3870... The times when I was taking advantage of the low temps in the winter in my country (Latvia), benching w/ my Sempr0n PC in -10 celsius ambient temps... ;D Well, when nostalgia hits You hard I guess...

I don't know what happened but i feel like a lost dog.

XS was so great because you were hanging with the world's best. I don't know where to go to find a community like that these days.

Was looking for some help with a z290 board last year and took hours of Google and newb forums before I found anything I was looking for. 5 years ago there would have likely been a sticky or I would have had the question answered in 5 minutes.

Doubtful anyone remembers me -- I was never a big poster.

But I loved XS back in the day. From middle school, building my first custom rig (socket 754 Athlon 64 3200+), to high school, building a C2D E6600 and later upgrading to a Q6600... Good times.

I learned everything I knew about overclocking and PCs from XS back then. I felt honored to post on the same forum as legendary overclockers, phase change enthusiasts, and the like. Even if I was just a small time air and, one time, custom water loop casual OCer.

I'm still into PC hardware and browse Overclock.net most days, but it's not the same. The knowledge base of the average user there is just so much lower than it was here. Where I used to just try to soak up what I could from OC experts, now I shake my head at the naive generation Z "enthusiasts" acting like $700 mid-size die GPUs are normal, and as though we should just be grateful to have the privilege to buy a 9900K for $550.

I remember I went AWOL from PC stuff for a few years while in college, and by the time I got back into it, XS was dead. That was a kick in the teeth when I realized this wonderful, joyous thing was gone. Glad some of you all are still around though.

XS and overclock :up:

Time certainly flies... the names persist, but the avatars are still the easiest to remember. Thanks to all that I had the pleasure to converse with, learn from, and most of all get help with whatever troubleshooting that was going on!

Looks like it's totally dead now. It was fun while it lasted but I blame offsite links for the death of XS.

off site links?

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At some point the rules were changed to allow links to articles off site. Before that the full article had to be posted here.

Almost all major publishing sites do not allow a full article to be reproduced without permission and/or royalties (of some form, it could be shared ad revenue) even when the publishing house is cited as a source.

The procedure is to have excerpts (usually no more than 25% of the entire article) and/or commentary with a link to the original source if no business arrangement is made. This is in accordance with all manuals of style for electronic publishing, including Associated Press, Columbia University, Chicago Manual of Style and publicly held companies like Apple and Microsoft.

Wikipedia has a comprehensive list of citation guides (and they are available online).

Pretty good time back in the day. The evolution of Intel to Core 2 Duo was what got everyone excited moving from single core CPU to multicore. They were beast and runs far more than AMD those days. I came here and was surprise to remember my user ID and password! What a surprise when I got in.

I missed those days, it was not only computers and hardwares that we discussed, politics, personal life, events around the world. XS was a home that I visited almost everyday back in the days. Work and family has taken over my life and CPU overclocking was relegated to the background, but the knowledge of setting up a computer that I learnt from here still stick with me till date. Wish all the Old dogs here well, but we did have a good time while it last.

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At some point the rules were changed to allow links to articles off site. Before that the full article had to be posted here.

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ahk haven't been on forums much in a while, forgot some of the terminology lol

Where is everyone, we have a sprint going on....

pm me for details

Never die.

Yep seems this forum has pretty much died out. OCN seems to be fairly active, but pretty bugged and borked over there.

I tried logging into overclock.net a few months ago, their login form was borked.
Even after a half @ssed attempt at patching their html stuff it still wouldn't work.
Tried multiple browsers. :shrug:
Go figure, Kinda weird, I even replied about it on tw, no answer I dn wth.
Not a biggy either though..

I think the problem is just the evolution of hardware.

when we first started, we had to take absolute garbage boards, and do crazy things, like completely remove every cap on the board and find some random guy that could speak japanese, to get us caps that wouldnt explode when we did some crazy OC.
Now, you can find anything, the most obscure items imaginable, are just a click away on Ebay, or Amazon.

We had to dig through schematics, that just kinda "showed up" and research where and how to volt mod something. Now you want more power? Go into Bios, set it to enough voltage to melt your desk if you want... the options there.
Everything we use to do, is now just on the board - sure, you now pay $700 for a board, and 75% of the features are worthless, but you want 16 phase digital VRMs?Enough voltage then you will ever need? caps that wont explode? It's on the board - just pay extra now. So all the engineers, and super specialized people who just kinda hung around and were experts at 2-3 things, they just dont have much to do now I guess.

Remember when intel was getting destroyed by the AMD64 - then one day, a few people from japan posted some obscure screen shots from a CPU no one recognized - the Merom core, and it was Intel, and it was some how just obliterating the AMD64? Yet, we didnt really know what the Merom core was yet.... but with 10,000 curious people, we knew the next day, and then for months we had Asus selling us laptop / desktop custom CPU adaptors - and when they were no where to be found, some how Saaya knew a guy in like germany - that had a small stash of them, and sourced them to us as much as he could, and then Intel just dropped a atom bomb on us, when they released the Conroe - and since then, Intel stopped being a joke again, and became the juggernaught we know for the last decade or so. I am not sure something like that could ever happen again.

Everything we use to do, was just kinda cannibalized into the main stream, when we did it, it was a taboo word - you never told a PC part company you overclocked something, or your warranty was done. Now, you can pay $40 and get insurance and a 1 time no hassle replacement on a CPU if you burn it up overclocking. It's all really weird, I liken it to how a old school real punk must feel - when they see green day on TV being called punk, and avril lavigne being called a "pop punk princess".

Maybe those days when a new OC would attract 10,000 casual people looking for the crazy knowledge you can find around here. Maybe now, overclocking to alot of people is just enable XMP, up the multiplier, buy an AIO watercooler, and brag to your friends how awsome your RBG makes your computer super adorable, like a rainbow colored rave in your bedroom.

But some of us still lurk around, decompiling a driver or modding a bios because "there's no :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing way a 5700 is just a bios locked 5700 xt and I am not gonna wander WTF, and how can I :banana::banana::banana::banana: with that".

There arent many of us left, maybe now Overclocking is just a cute extra feature for some kid to brag about to his friends in CS:GO how he gets 900 FPS with freesync, and his pre-overclocked PC.

But we are out there, still tinkering.... and we didnt need cute lights on a fan as a reason to open up our PC.

Maybe those days are gone, but some of us, are still out there.

I know Bowman's up to something, OPPainter is tinkering, Mr.Icee giving out life advice, JCViggen, Macci, Hiwayman, all of them.
Some never needed an audience, or youtube channel to OC, because it was just fun to break hardware and make it do something it was never meant to do.

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These utube clockers can't clock if their life depended on it.:rofl:

Thuban and Sandy Bridge was the peak for the community, These chips are great still,4ghz+ gave us massive gains,Some chips are 4.5/5ghz stable aswell.

Compared to ocing Ryzen9 or corei9,there is nothing exciting to see.

Ryzen9 should really be reaching for 5ghz+,a 7ghz thuban might take it

I would love a RoboClocker:up:

Now if your not using 16cores or more Xtreme cooling doesn't yield enough to warrant its cost.:eek:

Getting playable frames @ 16k is going to be the new agenda. As long as the 0.1% is above 40 frames your good for single player.:yepp:

Remember Fear Benchmark :D

I think I first came here to learn how to overclock my FX-53/Socket 939. Good times!

Oh shoot it's in my sig lol!

What happened to Saaya? He was great with Cellshock then at froxconn where he made an OC line for them.

I agree Kunaak. I've been lurking around here for years. I don't as much since the site had all the issues, but its working back into my surfing flow. I'm just as addicted to computer hardware as I was 25 years ago, but it has changed. Like you said, we used to be on the fringes, now everyone does it. But I'll be lurking around till I'm gone. Just love the PC hardware!

AMD is BACK, Hopefully that will bring Xtreme Back.
We had THE BEST, BY FAR, Forum back then IMO.

True, AMD is very much throwing up some good results at the moment!
Maybe my next update will be to AMD again, I'm half hoping that they can beat out intel even more dominantly in games and i'll be sold!

Although, I am planning to go microATX on my next build and I've not seen any boards that size for their new CPUs yet.
I'm tired of people saying how big my box is at the moment :*(

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True, AMD is very much throwing up some good results at the moment!
Maybe my next update will be to AMD again, I'm half hoping that they can beat out intel even more dominantly in games and i'll be sold!

Although, I am planning to go microATX on my next build and I've not seen any boards that size for their new CPUs yet.
I'm tired of people saying how big my box is at the moment :*(

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Micro ATX seams dead, mini DTX seams like the way to go now.

Mini, micro, DTX.... These drive me crazy! especially how micro was bigger than mini!

either way....something smaller XD

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I think the problem is just the evolution of hardware.

when we first started, we had to take absolute garbage boards, and do crazy things, like completely remove every cap on the board and find some random guy that could speak japanese, to get us caps that wouldnt explode when we did some crazy OC.
Now, you can find anything, the most obscure items imaginable, are just a click away on Ebay, or Amazon.

We had to dig through schematics, that just kinda "showed up" and research where and how to volt mod something. Now you want more power? Go into Bios, set it to enough voltage to melt your desk if you want... the options there.
Everything we use to do, is now just on the board - sure, you now pay $700 for a board, and 75% of the features are worthless, but you want 16 phase digital VRMs?Enough voltage then you will ever need? caps that wont explode? It's on the board - just pay extra now. So all the engineers, and super specialized people who just kinda hung around and were experts at 2-3 things, they just dont have much to do now I guess.

Remember when intel was getting destroyed by the AMD64 - then one day, a few people from japan posted some obscure screen shots from a CPU no one recognized - the Merom core, and it was Intel, and it was some how just obliterating the AMD64? Yet, we didnt really know what the Merom core was yet.... but with 10,000 curious people, we knew the next day, and then for months we had Asus selling us laptop / desktop custom CPU adaptors - and when they were no where to be found, some how Saaya knew a guy in like germany - that had a small stash of them, and sourced them to us as much as he could, and then Intel just dropped a atom bomb on us, when they released the Conroe - and since then, Intel stopped being a joke again, and became the juggernaught we know for the last decade or so. I am not sure something like that could ever happen again.

Everything we use to do, was just kinda cannibalized into the main stream, when we did it, it was a taboo word - you never told a PC part company you overclocked something, or your warranty was done. Now, you can pay $40 and get insurance and a 1 time no hassle replacement on a CPU if you burn it up overclocking. It's all really weird, I liken it to how a old school real punk must feel - when they see green day on TV being called punk, and avril lavigne being called a "pop punk princess".

Maybe those days when a new OC would attract 10,000 casual people looking for the crazy knowledge you can find around here. Maybe now, overclocking to alot of people is just enable XMP, up the multiplier, buy an AIO watercooler, and brag to your friends how awsome your RBG makes your computer super adorable, like a rainbow colored rave in your bedroom.

But some of us still lurk around, decompiling a driver or modding a bios because "there's no :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing way a 5700 is just a bios locked 5700 xt and I am not gonna wander WTF, and how can I :banana::banana::banana::banana: with that".

There arent many of us left, maybe now Overclocking is just a cute extra feature for some kid to brag about to his friends in CS:GO how he gets 900 FPS with freesync, and his pre-overclocked PC.

But we are out there, still tinkering.... and we didnt need cute lights on a fan as a reason to open up our PC.

Maybe those days are gone, but some of us, are still out there.

I know Bowman's up to something, OPPainter is tinkering, Mr.Icee giving out life advice, JCViggen, Macci, Hiwayman, all of them.
Some never needed an audience, or youtube channel to OC, because it was just fun to break hardware and make it do something it was never meant to do.

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Pretty much true.
Then, performance is now good even without any OC, I hardly do it anymore because its just not really noticeable on most games and applications, if it is I consider power costs and how much it will heat my room up. I also just got tired of CPU's degrading over time and out of the blue I start getting blue screens on my main rig on a day I have a ton of important stuff to do... yeah I used to run SS Phase on my everyday rig, not anymore.

I did build a lot of rigs for HFT guys, water cooled servers YEAH. They still use the ones I built even tho they are several years old now. 3960x's still have a bunch of performance left in them at 4.8GHz.

Now its just go into your ASUS BIOS and hit OC level 1,2,3... save and restart and your good.

I tend to agree. Back in the day, the performance was really conservative in stock hardware and the stock cooling was generally small.
People couple actually go mad with adding cooling to get their machine quieter or cooler and push the hardware further.

I think now, the hardware is released with a lot less headroom so the gains aren't as exciting as they used to be.
I was never a super super OCer, but always squeezed what i could reasonably. It used to be that I could get 10-30% extra from my kit. But now it almost feels like there's barely 10-15% to be had.

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I tend to agree. Back in the day, the performance was really conservative in stock hardware and the stock cooling was generally small.
People couple actually go mad with adding cooling to get their machine quieter or cooler and push the hardware further.

I think now, the hardware is released with a lot less headroom so the gains aren't as exciting as they used to be.
I was never a super super OCer, but always squeezed what i could reasonably. It used to be that I could get 10-30% extra from my kit. But now it almost feels like there's barely 10-15% to be had.

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If you get into what is technically overclocking there are bigger gains than 10-15. All core frequencies and things that fix turbo have big gains on intel, and overclocked ram/mesh is way more than that with amd. You can use multicore enhancement or ram profiles it will do that for you tho.

Overclocking always fun regardless of hardwares. It was fun with AMD FX57 on single stage @ -30C (colder and cold bug will take over) and It is so much fun with Ryzen 3800X :D

There is no other site like XS where overclocking needs no rank, league, extreem and rookie! Just overclock and have fun:up:

wish this system was half decent at OC'ing, seriously hate how bad this machine is... have to close FF every so often just due to the amount of damn memory being used... gods i need a new machine

There are wonderful memories. I agree with what Kunaak and Buckeye have written above.

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There are wonderful memories. I agree with what Kunaak and Buckeye have written above.

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I miss running to RadioShack to get some pots for a voltmod. Nowadays, it's so uninvolved that anybody can OC. Click, click, done

just posting cause I miss the good ol' days of s478, s939, and sossaman + Movieman/Dave :(

Things can never remain the same. If anything tries, it becomes stagnate and die off.
While i get the feelings of loss and the way things used to be, but its better to grow. The hard part is growing with it.

But then again, it is me talking...

Hey everyone! This was a nice thread to read through, especially seeing familiar names and the poignant thoughts on how overclocking has evolved since the early days of XS

I joined XS when I was 13 and just getting into computers (I'm 29 now), and the years reading and posting here allowed me to not only develop expertise in electronics (and the associated physics and chemistry topics), but more importantly taught me how to quickly learn a topic in-depth: find where the experts are, and be like a sponge. Beyond XS, I've used this same approach to develop expertise in audio and video (Head-Fi and AVS), travel hacking (FlyerTalk), nutrition (mostly books and podcasts), data analytics, and just general research and problem solving.

Because of XS, electronics have been a huge part of my life: I got experience running my own mini computer repair business as a teenager (and made pretty decent money!), my first job was IT for the government in high school, I will always have an engineering and DIY mindset, I'm an audiophile and videophile (the sane version :)), computer wizardry has been integral to my success in management consulting (Excel, PowerPoint, and Tableau), I interned in iPhone manufacturing/supply chain a couple years back, and I'll very likely spend a significant portion of my career in electronics of some sort. XS really was the start of this all, and allowed my interest to flourish.


Some highlights for me:

• Using a pencil to change the multiplier (?) on old AMD chips, and to increase voltage
• Athlon, NF7-S, and BH-5 days
• Finding *the* right CPU steppings and getting nearly 100% overclocks
• Many memories alt tabbing between XS and CS 1.6 or Ut2K4
• An XS member giving me a tour of UMichigan when I was applying to colleges
• Dave/Movieman offering some very helpful and kind words when 17 year-old me was having a rough time

Cheers!

To be honest, I was reading about how the new AMD chips can be decoupled from the memory frequency and are very dependant on memory performance.

This takes me straight back to NF2 boards and DDR2... Maybe we will see a resurgence in tweakers!

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Wat up peeps!!

Time for aother post down memory lane

:D :D

Yeah, whatever happened to saaya ?? We do/have seen most of the hardcore here and there, but saaya, that is one name I havnt seen in years.

Saaya, where you at? Hope all is well.

Also got caught out, as many of the avatars that were associated with member names are no longer appearing, so takes a extra micro second to associate names we have not seen for a long time with their 'characters'

:) :)

Hmm.... Haven't posted in I don't know how long, but I do still check the forums out from time to time. A google search on the topic of water cooling brought me over today, and I was surprised I had to increase the post date range from two weeks to a year in order to show a decent number of threads. That's when i realized something was wrong.
I would have thought with the closure of HardOCP and the forum issues at OCN, this place would have been hopping. It seems most forum based websites are doing the same. Probably due to the younger generations being stuck on stupid (Facebook) and other mindless platforms.
It is good to seee so many familiar people popping up in this thread. Many of you definitely lived up to the sites name back in the day. I can definitely say I learned more about computers, cooling, and overclocking from this site than all the others i frequent combined.

... lets see how old and outdated my sig is

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Well that quote definitely is timeless. And just as important today as it was when it was put to pen and paper.

Looks like it's getting even worse in this respect.
Last post in this section, the most active section, was from a month ago :\ .

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I check in regularly. It seems that low traffic is an issue on all of the "hardcore" sites compared to years past. You can press a button and have your system overclocked now. You don't need to invest time and energy in the learning with the trial and error of years past. You have the turbo frequency adjustment automatically done by the system. Years ago, the desire for this performance would have brought someone to the overclocking forums. AIO water cooling allows the average user to get the scraps that might be beyond that. Chips today don't leave the headroom on the table like they used to. My personal goal with overclocking was to simply maximize the frequency I could get from my CPU and Memory. I always bought the best I could anyway and then just maximized it. I would still love to see high end systems taken to their absolute highest stable performance levels.

Still around too, visiting every month or so

Wow, I get around to ordering a PC and get back in the game....this place is what?????

I wanted to order a phase from LD Cooling but I'm not even sure if that company is alive. I figured this place of all places would know.

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Wow, I get around to ordering a PC and get back in the game....this place is what?????

I wanted to order a phase from LD Cooling but I'm not even sure if that company is alive. I figured this place of all places would know.

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LD Cooling is still around. A few years ago I bought the cooler and case combo for the U.S. and was disappointed he never sent the extra socket kit I ordered. I have been looking for a U.S. builder since and haven't found one. I have been close to ordering U.S. voltage cooler unit only from him but the exchange rate from U.S. to Euros is holding it back. Would be nice if he compensated on the price to accommodate that. I wish there was still an active U.S. builder.

I would love to see you go through your build as a post. I have some high end parts waiting for my phase change decision. Though I will probably only overclock four to five cores I would want to go through the entire process here including a more old school stability testing. What motherboard and processor are you going to work with?

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LD Cooling is still around. A few years ago I bought the cooler and case combo for the U.S. and was disappointed he never sent the extra socket kit I ordered. I have been looking for a U.S. builder since and haven't found one. I have been close to ordering U.S. voltage cooler unit only from him but the exchange rate from U.S. to Euros is holding it back. Would be nice if he compensated on the price to accommodate that. I wish there was still an active U.S. builder.

I would love to see you go through your build as a post. I have some high end parts waiting for my phase change decision. Though I will probably only overclock four to five cores I would want to go through the entire process here including a more old school stability testing. What motherboard and processor are you going to work with?

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I'm nervous about ordering anything from him. He doesnt answer emails site messages or Facebook. Like I'm about to drop over a thousand at your site....

About to order something small see if it ships. But if anything went wrong with the phase I ordered like doa at my door step. Am I just SOL I have no way of talkin to him.....does he answer emails once a week?


I'm still up in the air of what I'm going to cool with the phase. Maybe an i9 or i7. I've even been looking at what wattage say a 1080 would run. It's been a long time I'm mad at myself for selling my old phase. This build will run into 2020 slowly. I just want the phase/cass to start with.

Ordered a screw driver see if it ships.......

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I'm nervous about ordering anything from him. He doesnt answer emails site messages or Facebook. Like I'm about to drop over a thousand at your site....

About to order something small see if it ships. But if anything went wrong with the phase I ordered like doa at my door step. Am I just SOL I have no way of talkin to him.....does he answer emails once a week?


I'm still up in the air of what I'm going to cool with the phase. Maybe an i9 or i7. I've even been looking at what wattage say a 1080 would run. It's been a long time I'm mad at myself for selling my old phase. This build will run into 2020 slowly. I just want the phase/cass to start with.

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Unfortunately, a screw driver is just that. He was very poor with his follow up. His site said "in stock and dispatches in 24 hours" Here is an email I sent EIGHT DAYS after the payment was processed:

"I am following up on my purchase of the Black LD PC-V10 115V USA market phase change with case with one other item (order #xxxxxx). It shows on the page it is in stock and dispatched in 24 hours, it is now 5 business days from the receipt of payment. I sent a message yesterday and no one has responded and I am hoping that you will help me and give me a tracking number or other information."

He was slow to answer my email. When it did finally arrive, he did not include the $99 socket kit. Frankly, I was relieved to get my product from him. If the guy didn't want to return my emails for $1400, what could I expect for my correspondence for a $99 kit. The system also made the "pop corn" gurgling noise from day one. One of the more experienced may correct me, but I thought that was an indicator of an improperly gassed system or one that is failing. I would prefer to avoid him. Please keep me informed about your order and/or future order. Were you planning on ordering the case/cooler combo or just the cooler?

Case/cooler yes his no answering emails bugs the crap out of me. If it is doa I guess that is all it is. I think PayPal has a 45 day protection just dont know if that really covers EU. How long did it take to get your order from him? Plus how long ago was this ?

Did he not say anything about the 100 dollar kit?

I wish someone in the states was making these. Or still sellings his phase case.

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Case/cooler yes his no answering emails bugs the crap out of me. If it is doa I guess that is all it is. I think PayPal has a 45 day protection just dont know if that really covers EU. How long did it take to get your order from him? Plus how long ago was this ?

Did he not say anything about the 100 dollar kit?

I wish someone in the states was making these. Or still sellings his phase case.

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No, I didn't bother about that as the business experience was already that poor. It was about two weeks to shipping and I never received any tracking information. I ordered in 2016. The problem with all the used stuff is not knowing if it is nearing "end of life". I bought a used cooler made by Sdumper, one of this sites notable builders, and it took a dump on me within a year with only periodic use. I never run a phase system longer than stress testing the overclock and then gaming. Never 24 use. Then there is the unit for sale that is already on its second owner - no thanks!

I drop in when I can, and tired of "social media"

I was posting on overclock.net but got tired of trolls. Honestly they are everywhere so I keep a very low profile now.

Auto overclocking, cpu's that OC to nearly they're max potential on there own have a lot to do with it. In the end we paved the way for this but like with anything the human is being replaced by a machine. We can't overclock on the fly and the cpu can do it itself variably. When that happened it killed the need for most old school gurus.

I will keep the lights on for as long as possible and no end in sight.

XS still gets decent traffic and registration is still closed.

Maybe open in 2020 if I pick up a person or two to help with spammers.

What's the legendary Fugger up to these days? Is the cascade still alive? Red team is on fire. Maybe time to bring it back. :D

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I'm nervous about ordering anything from him. He doesnt answer emails site messages or Facebook. Like I'm about to drop over a thousand at your site....

About to order something small see if it ships. But if anything went wrong with the phase I ordered like doa at my door step. Am I just SOL I have no way of talkin to him.....does he answer emails once a week?


I'm still up in the air of what I'm going to cool with the phase. Maybe an i9 or i7. I've even been looking at what wattage say a 1080 would run. It's been a long time I'm mad at myself for selling my old phase. This build will run into 2020 slowly. I just want the phase/cass to start with.

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I was following up to find out how all that went. Did the screw driver come? Did you place a larger order and how was your experience?

I still enjoy coming here.

Wish there was a place that could replace it. Can't find any community like this one.

I think all the overclocking forums are pretty much dead...

Nox, Yes my cascades are still alive and used this past week for several world record runs.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4309411...ks_12059_marks

It is not common for SS to sound like popcorn popping my guess that when this happens it is due to improperly vacuumed system and failed to remove all air from the system.

Was thinking of a new PC build. Have a cart all setup in NewEgg. Thought I'd get a brush up on the Xtreme forums on whats the latest and greatest from the best performing systems out there. Always have appreciated all the great information and sharing here...

Happy New Year Everyone

Xs will be twenty pretty soon ;)

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Happy New Year Everyone

Xs will be twenty pretty soon ;)

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Very close indeed!

Happy New Year everyone!

I must admit that i have not be on XS for a while due to life and other circumstances. But im getting back into it a little again, and will be on XS more :) I cant even remember a life before XS forums:D

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I must admit that i have not be on XS for a while due to life and other circumstances. But im getting back into it a little again, and will be on XS more :) I cant even remember a life before XS forums:D

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Happy New Year everyone!

I'm in the sme boat, busy life running around, but I do check XS from time to time, just not active on posting side as it's still not safe write posts while driving. Give it few more years and thanks to self-driving cards this forum can have 2nd life ;)

I opened registration and making the changes to reduce paid access from $1 to 1 cent. I believe the spammers will not pay a penny to register.

I picked up two moderators that will start soon.

I picked up more adverts as well.

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I opened registration and making the changes to reduce paid access from $1 to 1 cent. I believe the spammers will not pay a penny to register.

I picked up two moderators that will start soon.

I picked up more adverts as well.

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Go Team. GO!

To whom do we make checks payable?

Great news!

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I opened registration and making the changes to reduce paid access from $1 to 1 cent. I believe the spammers will not pay a penny to register.

I picked up two moderators that will start soon.

I picked up more adverts as well.

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This is very good news. All it will take is a little bit of action with some of the modern gear and it will draw from other forums.

Secure HTTPS for the site would be nice as well.

I will look into it

'grats to the incoming staff!

Hello to everyone

I thought I'd pop in here to see what was up. I was googling some old school sub ambient cooling stuff and low and behold I see XS is still up and running!!

I agree with what someone said above a few weeks ago....most hardcore OC forums are dying or dead. I lurk at OC.net but never post there...the trolls turn me off. HardOCP died as my news site. The only forum I really post on now is ROG as I tend to run that hardware. But its nearly dead there too. I find it odd that with so much advanced OC kit out there that forums are almost empty everywhere. Not sure where folks go to share or learn.

Anyways...it would be nice indeed if this site came around again. I have no online home. Although I am married with 4 kids (2 grown adults now), I still have a few hours to spend on the hobby now and then.

Hello mdzcpa,

I have a quick question for you. I notice that you have your 9900k clocked to 5.1 Ghz. What are you using to test for stability? In my particular case I use an eight to 12 hour run of Prime 95. I use non avx, as my primary use is for gaming, I use a ss phase, and have an avx offset. I then run a good eight hours of memtest for ram settings. I have heard various newer apps used for the later cpu's and would like your opinion given your 'old school' experience. For example, I have tried ROG RealBench and would pass four hour runs and then get slapped down within the first few minutes of Prime95. I suspect that many better oc's these kids are claiming are not as stable as they think. All comments are appreciated.

Happy to hear about new mods coming in and registration being opened....I've learned so much on these boards so great to see activity :)

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Hello mdzcpa,

I have a quick question for you. I notice that you have your 9900k clocked to 5.1 Ghz. What are you using to test for stability? In my particular case I use an eight to 12 hour run of Prime 95. I use non avx, as my primary use is for gaming, I use a ss phase, and have an avx offset. I then run a good eight hours of memtest for ram settings. I have heard various newer apps used for the later cpu's and would like your opinion given your 'old school' experience. For example, I have tried ROG RealBench and would pass four hour runs and then get slapped down within the first few minutes of Prime95. I suspect that many better oc's these kids are claiming are not as stable as they think. All comments are appreciated.

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ROG is good enough stable for most users, but old school wisdom to me is always 24 hours Prime95. And even then after 24hrs possibly bumping up one notch voltage if temps allow and you want almost no chance of failure. This is still my preferred method to make sure it can handle pretty much everything. But you're right, most systems people overclock on I would not consider stable at all.

And Happy New Year! Crazy to think I've been on XS for nearly half my life!

Just built a new PC, first time in years. 3950X, MSI MEG UNIFY, Samsung B-die, etc etc.

I do patch testing, Cyber baseline, STIG testing for the Navy so I have a pic of my current office with my current systems and servers. Wasn't there a thread 10+ years ago with office pictures?

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you can implement Lets Encrypt and rotate certs its free

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you can implement Lets Encrypt and rotate certs its free

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Thanks for the info.

I was also googling something and I ran across XS and remembered...Hey I used to be a member on their forum so I thought I'd drop in and say hello. Not sure how the forums are doing now, but I'm going to be hanging out and joining in the conversation from now on.

Best Regards,

Liquid Cool

While we are at it, I'd like to have a quick plug for our World Community Grid team. (link).

It's a project that harnesses your hardware for contributions to scientific computing, applications include Cancer Research, Climate Prediction, Bacteria Modeling...

We still have around 100 members on this board contributing regularly, and the team is still sitting at 5th in the world out of a few hundred thousands.

We have a special group here that's still keepin it going. Come join us if you haven't yet. For those of you who participated before, we would love to have you back.

-N

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Hello mdzcpa,

I have a quick question for you. I notice that you have your 9900k clocked to 5.1 Ghz. What are you using to test for stability? In my particular case I use an eight to 12 hour run of Prime 95. I use non avx, as my primary use is for gaming, I use a ss phase, and have an avx offset. I then run a good eight hours of memtest for ram settings. I have heard various newer apps used for the later cpu's and would like your opinion given your 'old school' experience. For example, I have tried ROG RealBench and would pass four hour runs and then get slapped down within the first few minutes of Prime95. I suspect that many better oc's these kids are claiming are not as stable as they think. All comments are appreciated.

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Sorry I missed this question.

I also run Prime95 non avx to test stability. For me 2-3 hours does it. I also run memtest86+ from a bootable flash drive. At least a 4 hours of that. If that all checks out fine, I run my go to game test Apex Legends. If that can be played for an hour or 2, I don't look back, the system is stable.

guys stay safe with corona

Just stopping in to say hi.
It's been a while.
It's crazy that even the news section isn't getting much activity these days :(.

I hope everyone is doing well and all that, it's crazy times.

I got the Covid third week of January, was down for a week.

I have most all of the issues worked out, I have the registration code reset and tested to work proper. a real mental struggle to remember code from a decade or more ago.

I see a lof of familiar names online lately.

Back from the dead.
First thought; Are the 2D gurus from Japan still active on XS?

No clue when my ban expired, probably years and years ago...

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No way, your ban is supposed to expire in 2050. Thanks for the heads up, will fix it.

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No way, your ban is supposed to expire in 2050. Thanks for the heads up, will fix it.

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Lmao, dying

Man I love this place 15 years been here, hope it lasts 15 more

Dang it has indeed been a while. Woo!

My AIM handle is connected to this account :D

Well I finally made it here. Lurked for years....