woot :D gonna vmod this board real soon! im real noob to vmodding and the terms... whats a VR?
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woot :D gonna vmod this board real soon! im real noob to vmodding and the terms... whats a VR?
My Infinity died already :DQuote:
Originally posted by SAE
Good luck with the infinity, OPP :)
I hope you can get it going high fsb and high vcore together. I have to wait till I get a LP B as an exchange for my 3rd dead (crappy) infinity :(
OPP
Howd you manage to kill it so quick ? vmods ?Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
My Infinity died already :D
OPP
I didn't do jack.Quote:
Originally posted by Aldus
Howd you manage to kill it so quick ? vmods ?
It had problems from the start keeping my settings and not rebooting. Today it just never rebooted at all.
OPP
if I remember, the Infinity revision A has a max 2.8 volts in Vdimm, and the B has 3.3 Vdimm. not much different other then that.
I have a DFI Infinity A here I am building in my friend armandos PC, and although I can't remember the voltages, I remember the Voltages weren't any different then a "B" version other then the low Vdimm.
haha bad luck opp, gonna get another 1 or switch to another board?
There is no Infinity B, just A and A+ (Both have 3.3vdimm and similar OC capability). LanParty has A and B revisions (A sucks).Quote:
Originally posted by Kunaak
if I remember, the Infinity revision A has a max 2.8 volts in Vdimm, and the B has 3.3 Vdimm. not much different other then that.
I have a DFI Infinity A here I am building in my friend armandos PC, and although I can't remember the voltages, I remember the Voltages weren't any different then a "B" version other then the low Vdimm.
Not meaning to be an ass about it, just clearing it up. :)
OPP, i dont think the board is dead.
try clearing cmos, and remove the 100/133fsb jumper. then reboot with it out, it should boot up, then tweak your voltages and stuff, replace the 100/133 jumper and it should be back to normal. these boards like to play possum. ive had the one im using now do this 2 or 3 times, my other one did it once.
Quote:
Originally posted by Evil_Spork
OPP, i dont think the board is dead.
try clearing cmos, and remove the 100/133fsb jumper. then reboot with it out, it should boot up, then tweak your voltages and stuff, replace the 100/133 jumper and it should be back to normal. these boards like to play possum. ive had the one im using now do this 2 or 3 times, my other one did it once.
I tryed all that, i think the bios chip fryed from some ESD. Gunna get a new chip and see if it solves the issue.
In the meantime I got a NF7-S Rev 2. Now this is one solid board. these things blow doors on the orignal NF7.
OPP
OPP: Check out tictac's modded BIOS's, specifically BIOS 10 Beta 4.
Very strong per-clock and allows some damn nice FSB OC.
Got a link, this for NF7-S rev2 ??Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
OPP: Check out tictac's modded BIOS's, specifically BIOS 10 Beta 4.
Very strong per-clock and allows some damn nice FSB OC.
OPP
LOL, 2 or 3 times :rotf:Quote:
Originally posted by Evil_Spork
OPP, i dont think the board is dead.
try clearing cmos, and remove the 100/133fsb jumper. then reboot with it out, it should boot up, then tweak your voltages and stuff, replace the 100/133 jumper and it should be back to normal. these boards like to play possum. ive had the one im using now do this 2 or 3 times, my other one did it once.
try 25+ times :p: I like to tinker! :explode:
(twice tonight, no less:D )
http://home.doramail.com/tictac/rev2/nf7d_10beta4.rarQuote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Got a link, this for NF7-S rev2 ??
OPP
your insane...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by unrealneo
LOL, 2 or 3 times :rotf:
try 25+ times :p: I like to tinker! :explode:
(twice tonight, no less:D )
have fun removing that jumper a bujillion times.. i have a fan over that that i cant move so i have to use needlenose, and its PITA. ohwell.:cool:
Thanks.Quote:
Will this NF7 need a VDD mod?
OPP
I downloaded one of tictacs bios's havn't noticed the difference though.
Might grab myself a mobile barton vmod my abit nf7, and get me to first page for radeon 9600pro :)
Just do then all, will help in someway or the other.Quote:
Thanks.
Will this NF7 need a VDD mod?
OPP
my nf7 didn't benefit anything from the vdd mod.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Thanks.
Will this NF7 need a VDD mod?
OPP
vdimm is most important here
the new Nforce400-utra's dont seem to benefit from added voltage, but I don't see how it would hurt if it's cooled well.
My NF7-S needed it, but it was one of the first V2's out.
Worked best @ 1.95, needed some nicer cooling though and on the Southbridge too.
Use the stock nb heatsink on the sb.
I really don't think you're gonna need a Vdd mod, but a Vdimm mod would be nice, just like a 3.3V rail mod.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Thanks.
Will this NF7 need a VDD mod?
OPP
Get your 3.3V up to somewhere around 3.5V to stabilize your Vdimm.
Good luck but don't be suprised if the mobo dies easily, it used to be a common thing with the late NF7 's.
cool the mosfets! they used cheap ones that run very hot ith high vdimm vcore and bumped rails.
Put heatsinks on every lil chip you find might help.
Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
My Infinity died already :D
OPP
Oh. That's what my problem was, too :(Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I didn't do jack.
It had problems from the start keeping my settings and not rebooting. Today it just never rebooted at all.
OPP
Corrupted bios or sth like that... and that was after changing ram slots :rolleyes: Think the china boards are worse in quality than the 1st taiwan boards :mad: Luck is the main factor here...
Yeah the Taiwan boards are the way to get a good board. I´m are very happy with it and i modded it so much and i have no problem with the board(And i have not been nice with it"Go higher or Die!"but it´s stil lives and rocks. my board is unreal i cant belive it"It´s never die"). If it dont post i only remove the 100/133 jumper. I hope you get a taiwan board nexttime.Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
Oh. That's what my problem was, too :(
Corrupted bios or sth like that... and that was after changing ram slots :rolleyes: Think the china boards are worse in quality than the 1st taiwan boards :mad: Luck is the main factor here...
http://upl.mine.nu/uplfolders/upload...board_Pic5.jpg
It´s stil lives and i´m using it now when i´m writing this..
teh DFI NFII boards take teh vdimm of teh 5v rail, not the 3.3 so your safe to go as high as you want. i have 3.5v on my line, and vdimm at 3.7, it works just fine.
@ LastvikingQuote:
Originally posted by Lastviking
Yeah the Taiwan boards are the way to get a good board. I´m are very happy with it and i modded it so much and i have no problem with the board(And i have not been nice with it"Go higher or Die!"but it´s stil lives and rocks. my board is unreal i cant belive it"It´s never die"). If it dont post i only remove the 100/133 jumper. I hope you get a taiwan board nexttime.
It´s stil lives and i´m using it now when i´m writing this..
WOW man!!! Nice job on the mini heatsinks for every electronic component and their dog... :toast:
What are they? Homemade jobies? Looks very cool btw. Keep up the good work.
hehe, one of the hottest chips is right to the left of the agp slot.... I believe its a PLL and its naked there.
Yeah iknow that :) , thats is the next chip to cool :).(need to fix that heatshink,it was to big :/) . The crystals was to close :/Quote:
Originally posted by texuspete2k2
hehe, one of the hottest chips is right to the left of the agp slot.... I believe its a PLL and its naked there.
But it´s fair from hottest for me it´s only <-44c
OPP, any progress?
nice home made cooling there lastviking, please post an updated pic if u ever get around to adding more :D
Hey OPP, here is the thread to all the Tictac bios's for nf7 rev 2.0. Hope they help you as much as they helped me.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=26343
I believe OPP got sidetracked for a bit as he's doing the FX51 system at the moment(or yesterday) topping 3DMark 2003:)Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
OPP, any progress?
Randi:D
opp's gunna knock macci down!
poor macci.. maybe he has a higher score saved. :D
Back to this prodject.
Gunna do some NF7 mods now.
BTW: My Mobile is only good for 2850 on 404A cooling.
And the Shuttle says it was "Made in Taiwan" :D
OPP
Shuttle?Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Back to this prodject.
Gunna do some NF7 mods now.
BTW: My Mobile is only good for 2850 on 404A cooling.
And the Shuttle says it was "Made in Taiwan" :D
OPP
you've got A64 imprinted in your brain! :lol:
only 2850 :slobber: , thats still good, although I thought you might get 3ghz+ outta it. Hope youve got some BH-5 left opp!
Does anyone know when socket939 will be available, I want to get an athlon64 but im waiting for it (for the dual channel memory)
Sorry,Quote:
Originally posted by unrealneo
Shuttle?
you've got A64 imprinted in your brain! :lol:
DFI :D
OPP
OPP, did you get a 2400 or a 2500 mobile ?
2400Quote:
Originally posted by LilGator
OPP, did you get a 2400 or a 2500 mobile ?
It's details are listed somewhere in this thread, week and all that.
OPP
Damn, i wanted a mobile 2500 but newegg doesnt shipp to Canada :confused: :cussing:
I hooked up mem and vdd mods to NF7, mem booted up at 3.3V :D
Funny thing is with VDD doing 1.71V I couldn't get into windows at 240. Does the NF7 have a few funky FSB numbers that don't work with the board??
Back of the chipset at stock cooling is 49c under load. I can't imagine what it will be like at 1.9V :D
And you guys don't think better cooling will Help.:D
OPP
Better cooling and higher Vdd helped me, dunno bout the rest of em.
Perhaps the 2500+ mobiles clock higher? Or borrow LORD's chip. ;)
have the same problem with my a7n8x, can run a certain fsb w/o any probs when oced with clockgen, but cant boot at the same fsb... weird...
Sounds like the NB needs watercooling stat!
dont know about that.. i've tried higher vdd, higher agp mhz, higher agp voltage, higher pci latency... i just can't get a sandra bench at 250fsb.
my absolute max is 249.
With 1.7V vdd I got to 236 stable at 49c load
With 1.8V vdd I got up to big old 238 stable with 51c load.
Now I'm at 1.9V vdd at 240.
It's looking to me that good cooling on the NB will help get higher FSB/Mem. And this was point. After taking it as high as possable at 1.9 vdd I'll cool the NB with better and better cooling and see if I can go up.
This for agressive timings by the way.
Well, 5-2-2 anyway. Things may differ at non agressive timings for all I know.
OPP
Get that ubercooler on the nb and see what she's got! I'm egar to see improvements too.
OPP, 10-2-2-2.0 or 11-2-2-2.0 should be noticeably faster than 5-2-2-2.0.
Give it a shot. :)
I'm useing 3D2001 for stress testing.
I only made it to 239 3D proofed, NB temps get very hot at 1.9V vdd.
Which i think will prove that the higher the VDD the further you'll go but only if cool the bridge, we'll see.
Heres somthing cool, 3D has the seven tests. The tests that stressed the NB the most were the Lobbys (Bandwidth) :D during those 2 lobby tests the temps were peaking at 55.5c, when I went into nature the temps quickly dropped 1c to 54.3c.
Gunna slap on a swifty 159 cooler and strat again.
OPP
Faster in what apps, 3D??Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
OPP, 10-2-2-2.0 or 11-2-2-2.0 should be noticeably faster than 5-2-2-2.0.
Give it a shot. :)
OPP
Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
With 1.7V vdd I got to 236 stable at 49c load
With 1.8V vdd I got up to big old 238 stable with 51c load.
Now I'm at 1.9V vdd at 240.
It's looking to me that good cooling on the NB will help get higher FSB/Mem. And this was point. After taking it as high as possable at 1.9 vdd I'll cool the NB with better and better cooling and see if I can go up.
This for agressive timings by the way.
Well, 5-2-2 anyway. Things may differ at non agressive timings for all I know.
OPP
so with more VDD voltage, you're able to pass higher fsb tested 3dmark?Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I'm useing 3D2001 for stress testing.
I only made it to 239 3D proofed, NB temps get very hot at 1.9V vdd.
Which i think will prove that the higher the VDD the further you'll go but only if cool the bridge, we'll see.
Heres somthing cool, 3D has the seven tests. The tests that stressed the NB the most were the Lobbys (Bandwidth) :D during those 2 lobby tests the temps were peaking at 55.5c, when I went into nature the temps quickly dropped 1c to 54.3c.
Gunna slap on a swifty 159 cooler and strat again.
OPP
i'm not testing my fsb with 3dmark, i'm just seeing how high i can do sandra right now. interesting, you got a NF7 rev2 board? what color are the 4 capacitors by the 6 vcore mosfets?
max i can get in sandra is this:
http://marcin.fastlanehw.com/sandra_nf7_249fsb.gif
that's the 1.7Vdd through the bios. I've tried 1.74, 1.8, 1.84, 1.9, 1.94, and i couldnt' get a higher fsb for sandra test.
i'm wondering if the higher vdd will allow me to pass higher fsb in 3dmark2001. gonna try soon.
Faster in everything..... I've tested it myself, it's true.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Faster in what apps, 3D??
OPP
At 1.7 volts temps droped 9c under load with the swiftech 159 air cooler.
OPP
OKAY, i just tested 3DMark2001,Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
With 1.7V vdd I got to 236 stable at 49c load
With 1.8V vdd I got up to big old 238 stable with 51c load.
Now I'm at 1.9V vdd at 240.
and i'm about seeing the same increases...
1.8V = 242 max
1.84V = 244 max
1.9V = 246 max
haven't tried higher... the southbridge is getting pretty warm, i will probably add a heatsink to it soon.
At 1.71 vdd and new cooling I've already been able to run 2 mhz higher, 236 to a now stable 238. Still going.
Who ever thought this new Ultra 400 chipset doesn't need to be cooled needs to do more research;)
OPP
i wish there were other nb coolers out there that would fit with the SP-97. the vantec iceberq , i dont feel like playing with, as it's just the same as stock.
OPP, what version NF7 do you have, and what color are the 4 capacitors next to the 6 vcore mosfets on your board? also, what bios are you using??
mine is a rev2 with black capacitors, using equito's d10 bios.
OPP, what is your temps like with NB undermax load with the MCX? Mine are like 45c and I got a bloody stock amd cooler on there with a delta! :D The temps are horrid though cause my room is ambient 80 degrees farenheit.
1.9VDD for me.
Mine is a NF7-S Rev2, I have bluish purple Caps.Quote:
Originally posted by Stang_Man
OPP, what version NF7 do you have, and what color are the 4 capacitors next to the 6 vcore mosfets on your board? also, what bios are you using??
Sidebinder,
I'm testing 1.9V now but at 1.8V I got 44c max temps at 242 FSB.
I'm measuring the back of the chipset with a Monogram Omega temp gauge, very acurate.
Room temps at 21.5c.
OPP
Good, then I know my temps are pretty normal then, have you tested you 2400 on air cause I got the same cpu and the thing will only do 2.4ghz :( same steppings and week.
Time to order 5 more and cherry pick. :toast:
Did you lap the northbridge chip itself? The thing is about as flat as a soup bowl...
lapping your northbridge will gain you at least 5Mhz, I lapped my NF7-S and got a 10Mhz gain. I decided to lap it after finding out that my waterblock was only making contact with the four corners. After lapping I could do 245fsb, ram limited.
Theres an article on this here
Testing is coming right along:)
I saw that going from Stock to Swifty at 1.9 vdd there was a gain of 5Mhz and 9c in max temps. Now for water block cooling. A mild cooling rig, useing a waterchill NB block.
Then all I have left is watercooled pelt cooling and I'll be done testing and then I'll see what this sucker can really do.
OPP
Good luck can't wait to see you hit 300FSB on an NF2! Don't know if possible, but hey, you are OPPAINTER. hehe.
lap the nb chip itself? wouldnt that wreck it???
300 on a DFI maybe... LastViking was at 280 so thats almost there. Xtreme cooling of NB on a good DFI board might do the trick to 300 may be. But not on an NF7 that is doing what his doing.
Opp, did you try lower Vdd for high FSB?
Mine bluescreened with anything over 1.65 and FSB @240, backing off Vdd to 1.55V just did fine!
I know it sounds weird, but i wasn't alone here, more ppl had exactly the same.
I have to add, this was all with bios d10.
Not if use fine sand paper and sand it just a little.Quote:
Originally posted by r3b0rN
lap the nb chip itself? wouldnt that wreck it???
but then again that very possibly won't give you an additional increase. i had a friend who did it.. didn't give him anything.
so it's either a watercooled pelt or all the way phase changed, which would be overkill at any rate and won't be as much help as with p4 or older rev nf2 boards.
/edit typos
If you lap too far, yes it will. But I went at my nf7-s 2.0's nb for a solid half hour with 100 grit sand paper before switching to fine grit just to get it flat. Then higher grits to finish it off and make it smooth.Quote:
Originally posted by r3b0rN
lap the nb chip itself? wouldnt that wreck it???
I only did 400 and 600 grit. A bit of a difference in stability not a lot of extra MHz, but then again I also need a good NB cooler that fits under an SP-97.
theweasel, did you notice any improvements over the non-lapped nb. what are / were those results and what cooling did you use to get them?
OPP, 1.76V vdd, 240 FSB 1:1 CPU interface enabled prime stable :DQuote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
At 1.71 vdd and new cooling I've already been able to run 2 mhz higher, 236 to a now stable 238. Still going.
Who ever thought this new Ultra 400 chipset doesn't need to be cooled needs to do more research;)
OPP
Stock nb cooler with arctic silver 3 tim ;)
Oh and please give bios d_14beta a try ;)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7463753
^ Abit NF7-S V2.0 @242 MHz FSB x 10 @1.76V || 2x256MB Muskin DDR3500 Level II 1:1 Dual cas2/2/2/11 @3.20V|| AXP2500+ "Barton" AQZFA - 2420MHz @2.0v || Sapphire 9800 PRO @438/384 || *ALL AIR COOLED* ||
If you dont use a big glob of thermal paste in the middle of the nb, it wont make contact at all, except at the four corners. You just need to sand the corners to make it flat.
Another tip OPP, best timings are 2-2-2-11 yep tras 11 :D
*NF7-S @240FSBx10 (480MHz DDR) 6/6 divider and Dual Ch. Sisoft sandra max 3 bandwidth test*
2.0-2-2-3:
Integer: 3661(95% eff.) / Float: 3431(89% eff.)
2.0-2-2-4:
Integer: 3665(95% eff.) / Float: 3430(89% eff.)
2.0-2-2-5:
Integer: 3666(95% eff.) / Float: 3443(89% eff.)
2.0-2-2-6:
Integer: 3675(95% eff.) / Float: 3440(89% eff.)
2.0-2-2-7:
Integer: 3679(95% eff.) / Float: 3446(89% eff.)
2.0-2-2-8:
Integer: 3674(95% eff.) / Float: 3445(89% eff.)
2.0-2-2-9:
Integer: 3686(96% eff.) / Float: 3448(89% eff.)
2.0-2-2-10:
Integer: 3691(96% eff.) / Float: 3452(90% eff.)
2.0-2-2-11:
Integer: 3702(96% eff.) / Float: 3457(90% eff.)
2.0-2-2-12:
Integer: 3698(96% eff.) / Float: 3450(89% eff.)
Oh and for voltage FSB on the fly (excl vdd):
http://www.hasw.net/8rdavcore/index.html
Cooling I had the northpole NB coolor on there. I don't have any temps to report to you, but going from the stock nb cooler with no lapping to the northpole and a lapped nb chip got me to 230fsb from my previous wall of 227. My ram couldn't take anymore then 230.Quote:
Originally posted by sky
theweasel, did you notice any improvements over the non-lapped nb. what are / were those results and what cooling did you use to get them?
ricjax99, he is going to want the fastest 3DMark timings, not the fastest Sandra timings :rolleyes:
It can vary but often times 2-2-2-5 is still a tad better in 3D.
Soulburner, I've tested 2-2-2-5/6/7/8/9/10/11/ and 12, all in sandra and 3dmark 2001. In both sandra and '01, 11 and 10 were the best with 11 usually getting a few points over 10 on every other run.
OPP, COOL EVERY SINGLE MOSFET IN SIGHT! :D (especially one nearest to right of AGP slot)
and then blow some freezing air at them :)
then slap pelts on the NB & SB for good measure, they get mighty toasty! :flame:
5-2-2-2 rocks Car Chase, and 11-2-2-2 are best for Dragothic, Lobby, and Nature.
isnt it possible to change those latencies in windows with nvidias tool? ;)
and 8RDAVCORE ;)Quote:
Originally posted by saaya
isnt it possible to change those latencies in windows with nvidias tool? ;)
Erm, I know a little bit about Car High ;) and 11 is fastest for it as well. Its just THE fastest memory settings for that board.
Oh, and if youre not using a 10 or 10.5 mult, BIOS's 19-20-21 are strongest for 11x + per clock. 14b was good back in the day, but that was before these came out.
Tictac's modded 21 beta 4 is hella strong.
Neo, you dont have to tell OPP to cool mosfets. :stick:
This score could have been more if APIC was on and if I had loaded known bench test drivers etc....
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7463753
The DFI is a good board. I just have problems with APIC . The score would have been higher if I had disabled sound to have APIC on etc... and pushed the GFX more .
My CPU is batch 0038 with exact same stepping as OPP mentioned earlier .
I will push for more :D
nice score! Those mobiles are looking good, I wonder how mobile athlon 64 will perform.. :D
Well, just try to get a P4 or P3 1U rackmount heatsink and everything will be fine ;)Quote:
Originally posted by G|-|oST
I only did 400 and 600 grit. A bit of a difference in stability not a lot of extra MHz, but then again I also need a good NB cooler that fits under an SP-97.
Such a heatsink should perfectly fit under hte SP-97, although you'll have to do a little bit of modding to make it fit. :toast:
Don't lecture me on the nf7, how long have you had one? :mad:Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
ricjax99, he is going to want the fastest 3DMark timings, not the fastest Sandra timings :rolleyes:
It can vary but often times 2-2-2-5 is still a tad better in 3D.
You know sweet FA about it, read the above posts mate :rolleyes:
ricjax is right.. 2-2-2-11 is the fastest timing on nForce2 boards.
i just got my latest highest score using 2-2-2-11, it is faster by about 50-75 points worth. :)
on my a7n8x 11 is faster as well, mickey mouse said he got better results with 5 on his nf7-s though ...his rig was tweaked for low latency i guess
Almost done with my prodject, gunna slap on a MCW-50T tonight and see what it does. I'll post a chart of the FSB increses I got from the different coolers.
When thats done I can try some 3D with this thing and see how high it goes. Any estamites on 3D scores with chip doing 2850??
I have no clue but I'm thinking 27k:D
OPP
What FSB u at? 248 x 11.5 or 238 x 12 ?
yo, stang_man, what is your temps @ 2665?
OPP, I don't think 27K is possible with a AXP setup unless you are running over 300 on the fsb and about 3+ghz
Maybe not that much but he is using one of the fastest 9800XT's on the planet. It's sure gonna be killer :D
Radeon will only be doing about 630/460.Quote:
Originally posted by ricjax99
Maybe not that much but he is using one of the fastest 9800XT's on the planet. It's sure gonna be killer :D
OPP
Yeah, I guess I over looked that :p: I thought me 462 on air was good :rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Radeon will only be doing about 630/460.
OPP
ONLY LMFAO!!!!! :ROTF:
Love it opp! :D
Look at the first of the links, considering you'll have 400~500 more marks from nature i reckon 24K maybe doable :D
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6995139
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7256329
Well it can do 655/466 with good cooling,, but I won't be useing cascade:DQuote:
Originally posted by ricjax99
ONLY LMFAO!!!!! :ROTF:
Love it opp! :D
Look at the first of the links, considering you'll have 400~500 more marks in nature i reckon 24K maybe doable :D
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6995139
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7256329
OPP
Ownage :D "good cooling" rofl :ROTF:Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Well it can do 655/466 with good cooling,, but I won't be useing cascade:D
OPP
So whats the FSB atm then? 248 or 238? (x11.5 / x12.0)