not bad, more than +1point better than my FX-8350 with H100 ,-)
not bad, more than +1point better than my FX-8350 with H100 ,-)
Hey Raja,
I just switched out my P8P67 for the z87 Pro and have encountered an issue. The system is hanging on the post code A2, IDE detect. Does this indicate a connection / power issue?
Thanks
EDIT
Oddly enough the case connection to the boards USB3 header was at fault. They have a really loose wobbly connection ( think SPDIF) I reinstalled everthing 1 piece at a time and nothing... its just stupid easy for them to fall out so only some pins made contact. Another badly designed port standard USB consortium! I thought my gpus were to blame but installing them obscures the USB3 header and makes it easy to dislodge it part way and not notice...
Would be nice to see future boards use a retention mechanism ala the popular sata cables with lock in clips. Its a universal design issue on all boards at this point it seems and its up to oems and case makers to find a solution to. Lose fitting connections suck!
Hi,
Are you getting a display output when it stops at A2 or is it just hanging at the POST screen?
Sorry just read your edit. No worries.
-Raja
Hi Pol,Quote:
Originally Posted by PolRoger
reported to HQ to patch (could take some time, but have informed).
-Raja
@ Raja
Asus Z87-Pro BIOS 1007
Team Xtreem 2400c9 kit will run super tight timings and Corsair 2666c10 @2400 (same timings) but won't do XMP 2666c10 getting [55]
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...amx11167v.jpg/
Trident X 2666c11{ds} will run also tight @ 2666c11 and @2800,anything above [55]
Team Xtreem 2666c11{ss} won't do XMP [55]
Gskill Rips 2200c9 {BBSE}will do XMP but that's about it
nice mobo ,just needs some better bioses
Could be your IMC as well mate. Try playing with IO-D and VDIMM. If those don't help - relax third timing set (tRDRD etc). Good IMCs will POST (bad ones start to struggle past DDR3-2400 with some DIMMs at good timings). That being said, IO (data throughput) is higher than previous gen, and some IC types don't like it at all (old Samsung). That's not about better BIOSes; if a platform's IPC is higher, it means the DRAM is under greater stress due to increased IO over the bus.
BBSE needs cold to be good - don't be expecting easy clocking on those on air. They will do X freq, but after that it's all about voltage and temps. On top of that, some of the third timings can't go as tight as previous gens unless you have a very good kit and IMC (same reason as cited above).
Slots 1&3 should be better for DRAM clocking than 2&4 as well.
IMC ? lol ,I can run double sided Hynix 2800 1T tight and then when I switch to single sided Hynix -> no-go,having hard time posting on defaults buddy,it should do XMP don't you think ?
EDIT ; will try your recommendation
Well then change your timings buddy :) XMP is for the platfoirm that kit was released on mate - doesn't mean its for every platform released afterwards. Things change.
It will be down to something being too tight form a UEFI perspective. Not much else we can change. Plus you get to a point where PCB and layout characteristics interact with the modules.
As far as I know single sided Hynix were made for Haswell :yepp: and with as loose timings as they are 2666 should be a cakewalk ,I'm not going to argue with you and thanks for being honest ->"Not much else we can change"
Thank you
I think most of those kits were out long before Haswell if my memory serves me correctly (excuse pun). Which means the XMP settings they are programmed with were conceived before the platform,... :)
I have the Team Xtreem single sided Hynix here - its a kit I purchased early last year. Works fine on my Extreme board - mind you CPU has a good IMC...
When you say LOOSE timings, are you taking third timings into account? Haswell needs looser tRDRD on some kits over IB. I don't want to argue either. Just giving you some of the fixes I know of. Up to you if you want to use or not.
Testing Hero with CFR
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Both sets of TeamX 2666c11 [MFRss] were purchased two weeks ago SN# 5130314044Quote:
Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS
tRDRD was 6
REF cycle was increased to 363 and then 460
tWCL 10
this set was introduced to the max DDR voltage available on this particular motherboard, also- cpu input 1.9V
bottom line is ,this is mainstream mobo and bioses are not optimized as other higher-end motherboards offered by Asus,I understand ;)
OC panel is bosssssssssss
@XBrytanX, XMP???? bro come on XD (just teasing)
I picked up Pro :shrug: for some play until the "real- deal" shows up in stores :D ,I figured this thing can at list do XMP lo0l
Quote:
Originally Posted by XBrytanX
Not sure if the wink implies something untoward. The ROG boards are engineered in a different way on the DRAM side - as they should be as that's the target audience. As a DRAM enthusiast, you should be able to tune a board and understand how XMP works - plus understand IO variance between platforms without thinking you are being treated like a mushroom (kept in the dark and fed bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:).
Change some of the other turnarounds too if you want the kit to work.
Now if it's performance oriented clocking you want, then yes go for the ROG boards as that is what they are made for. If you knew this in the first place, you would have waited. The mainstream boards are engineered for mainstream overclocking use. They employ layouts "closer" to Intel spec - we have very good reasons for that as well. For the special stuff, we put different emphasis on ROG.
Do not assume that all the optimizations are UEFI based. They are not - the layer count and routing comes into play as well (as does MRC which can change, but that's up to Intel, not us). The fact you asked for a UEFI update initially suggests you think this can be cured solely via UEFI - too many factors to assume its just that. Your usage scenario is suited to ROG, so that's what you should be using.
There you go, it's out in the open without needing winks.
-Raja
Don't worry about the " wink" Raja ..I just provided you with some info on the modules in question and was trying to be helpful here ,I found you response .."plus understand IO variance between platforms without thinking you are being treated like a mushroom .." to be little unprofessional and funny at the same time .
-as you can see in my previous post they are not ,I tested old BBSE on Pro and they boot XMP npQuote:
I think most of those kits were out long before Haswell if my memory serves me correctly (excuse pun)
Heave a great day Sir ;)
That's BBSE Bryan, does not mean everything works the same way. A certain variant of Samsung is old and it does not. BBSE just happens to sit well with the ability of the current Intel IMCs to swing voltage over the signal lines.
Maybe you find me saying that condescending, but I don't think you know everything that goes on with DRAM and the stuff we have to do. That might not satiate you, and of course you're going to keep thinking I'm on some kind of cover up no matter what I post.
I am a shoot from hip guy as you have found out. I don't like posting stuff that has smarmy connotations or subterfuge.
-Raja
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS
I'm not trying to OC anything ,this is not the reason I posted here in the first place and that's exactly why I keep mentioning XMP on modern RAM widely available now daysQuote:
Now if it's performance oriented clocking you want, then yes go for the ROG boards as that is what they are made for. If you knew this in the first place, you would have waited. The mainstream boards are engineered for mainstream overclocking use.
I don't really care what you like ,I'm end user trying to post in "ASUS Z87 Motherboards - Overview, Guides and Official Support" thread ...take a chill pillQuote:
I am a shoot from hip guy as you have found out. I don't like posting stuff that has smarmy connotations or subterfuge.
EDIT; you don't really want to know what I found out
An XMP profile of DDR3-2400 is not stock, it is overclocked. Overclocking is not guaranteed. On top of that, when you purchased the DIMMs is only relevant if they were solely binned on the Z87 platform. Most vendors have had the same kits out for some time - IB period. Kits can be in the market for quite some time. And nobody guarantees XMP at high frequency will work with every combination of parts. Thats why vendors have lists of which boards the kits were qualified on (GSKill do with their kits and its for a reason).
I am not angry, do not worry. :)
Hero with Team Xtreem LV 2666 testing.
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Nice :)
Gskill 2666c11 ds CFR on Pro (1.65v) but no ssMFR
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XMP +tWCL8
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<---:rofl:Quote:
I am not angry, do not worry
http://imageshack.us/a/img827/3117/teamx11167v.jpgQuote:
and some IC types don't like it at all (old Samsung)
Glad it made you laugh Brytan. I guess you needed to unwind and that's always a good thing :)
PS. DDR3-2400 is easy. Try early Samsung past DDR3-2666 on this platform and watch it lock up like Elpida Hypers in Hyper Pi when running 4 DIMM. Shammy and I both tried tuning that stuff for more but it wouldn't hit IB speeds. ;)
If you mean "platform" (Pro) -I already mention this ,if you mean platform (Z87) i can come back and show you how they fly on another Z87Quote:
Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS
You might not have same DIMMs we do mate. One of Shammys GSkill kits (X79 ripjaws-z I think from GSkill - quad channel kit) :) Locks up earlier than IB platform when testing HYPER Pi.
Board layout plays a part as well - I mentioned this earlier. Bottom line is, you're going to have to live with what you got now unless Intel changes the MRC and it somehow helps you with your kits :)
Hero with mfr ss
With 125 strap
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@ Dumo can you try 2666 (MFR /Samsung or CFR )@3000 on that mobo ?
Testing it now. 125 strap make it easier for 2933/3000+ run. The settings above with mfr should be the same with most asus non rog boards depending on individual stick of mfr. Some needs 1.8V+ for 3000Quote:
Originally Posted by XBrytanX
If I am not mistaken, MCE was enabled by default in 1007 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS
Nice to hear that such an option deserves spending time to release new BIOS while not bothering to fix boot issue with smart card inserted in USB reader.
man did you try 100bclk @ 3000mhz mem? that is locked by intel it will never work. need 125bclk or 2933 plus some bclkQuote:
Originally Posted by XBrytanX
I did try 125 strap and 2933 ,Thanks bro
P.S. the only kit that does 2800 on this mobo is double sided CFR,the MFRss having hard time @2666 (XMP or not ),tried one stick closest to CPU =dito
2t give you any extra mhz? maybe worth itQuote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
^^Just testing the board on mem clocking
http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1508118/
nice bro, keep pushing :) got my oc panel while at computex, looking forward to trying it out :D
Testing Team Xtreem 2666 LV on Hero , finally DDR3 3000 MHz :)
Thanks Dumo!
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Thanks Bro:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Splave
Some of my MFR went 55 @ 1.75V+:(
Awesome run there Fosco:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fosco
125 strap?
Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Yes 125 strap
2933 np at 100 bclk but no go on 3000 so I'll have to try 125 strap as well if it helps with mem clocking. Still @ 1.65v. G.Skill Trident 2800.
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4 DIMMS 2800 11-14-14-25-1T prime95 stable for 3 hours.
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2658/4x42800prime95.jpg
T-Topology 2.0 is also working fine on Z87, 4 DIMMS is slightly faster than 2 DIMMS
2 modules -- 6m 17.871s
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4 modules -- 6m 16.562s
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Got my 3k, still 1.65v :)
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Something wrong with the tWR user guide says max is 16
but MemTweakIT shows more than that.
afaik some mem presets are more than 16 too but you can never set it above 16 in BIOS.
Some of the registers revert the setting back to auto (disables the logic) - most of the time that's why they are left out of UEFI. The UEFI guys usually give us the full manual and possible range. I have seen this in the past with the third timing sets - where a setting of 9 reverts to the tightest setting allowed at the chipset level. Intel simply leaves certain bits open, and they don't always follow a linear scale.
TWR and wr to read deelay are derived from addition of other timings and hence not shown in the bios box and thus what is keyed in in bios may get overwritten by your other timings
Bios 0017 awesome.
Mobo dead n stuck n code 78.
Was just priming 2250c7.
Before that already noticed my g19 was behaving oddly during bootup.
Second bios also cannot boot.
Clear cmos now with no power n waiting 20mins
Shld be ok after this. Odd same timings were ok on 0503.
Onething sham this bios make my g19 keyboard del key into the bios slightly unresponsive even with power on the keyboard.
Nope. 20 mins not helping with the bat off. A pain with it under a gc. Proceeding for an hour or 12hrs.
Bat n cpu removed. Wait overnite. So many torrents to seed.
try usb flashback ,should work.usually corruption is hard to achieve but you may never know...were u running very tight subs and tertiary?
Bios 0020 M6H
Boot up setting
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I think 78 might be cpu related, something with the DMI/PCI subsystem maybe as when I was getting this code on the M6E, the vga light was on as well.
I swapped cpu's and no issue so might be a degraded damaged cpu, best to swap with a known good cpu and verify.
Yeah kindda. Aida read/write/copy was close to 35.6k/35.4k/35k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex-Ro
Mobo is a goner. Tried everything i know. Lol first time asus mobo since maximus 2 formula i can say a bios killed my board.
Will try to get a new one today.
Sham/raja. Can i have bios 0503.
Dont think current batch will have it.
Ty.
Oh man got a not bad cpu. Yup exact samething. Which bios was that on??Quote:
Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3
Ty asus. Got a new cpu slightly better. So far testing 4.5ghz@1.2v
3000MHz 12-14-14-25-2T @ 1.65v
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4818/cle.png
RAM clock looks good for 24/7 and priming but CPU clock is nono.
http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1515522/
I can't seem to get her stable when using Aida...could it be my temps? I get bsod x124 using h100i cooler
All settings on auto, vcore is 1.265
Question: Are the dual Thunderbolt ports and NFC device on the Deluxe/Dual worth the $60 premium over the Deluxe? Otherwise the boards are identical.
While Thunderbolt devices are rare, I do a fair amount of video work and BlackMagic Designs, a major manufacturer in that space, is using Thunderbolt on many of their products. This includes their new $4k 4k camera with S35/APC sensor and Canon EF lens mount. That camera has a Thunderbolt port for their PC/Mac based video scopes. The other advantage is in very high speed external disk access. So far that hasn't been an issue; both Deluxe boards have 10 SATA III 6Gb/s ports.
While I have a Galaxy S3 with NFC, NFC is limited and I'm not sure it would have a meaningful purpose. Does it have have meaningful purpose?
BSOD 124 and 101 are related to insufficient vCore. Give it a bump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phaseshift
Hello!
I have an ASUS Z87-A.
I ran fan tuning on AI Suite and found that it was able to adjust the speed of my 3 case fans... but it wasn't able to adjust my CPU fans (both on CPU and CPU_OPT). Is there something about certain fans that prevent them from being adjusted? I looked them up on Newegg where I bought them yet there were no details listing "controllable" vs "noncontrollable" or something similar.
In AI Suite the options for adjusting the speed for my CPU fans is greyed out, and there is a ! background.
I thought that controlling fan speed would simply be that the motherboard reduces the voltage to the fan, making it run slower... no controller chip or anything needed. What am I missing here?
Edit/Added:
Thanks Raja! I had to re-do fan tuning again after changing that in the BIOS and it works perfectly! Now my CPU fans should last a lot longer, running at high speed only when necessary.
Hi, I am having the hardest time getting the Maximus VI Hero to boot from UEFI for windows 8 install. The board refuses to boot with a UEFI flash drive I can see uefi flash drive in boot options but when I click on it it just reverts back to bios. I have confirmed it isnt the USB flash drive, I have tried 2 other drives, and have tried all the USB ports on the board. Still nothing. This is very frustrating and help would be appreciated.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonM
Go into UEFI and set the CPU Fan header to Advanced and you should be able to change the speed options.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisB17
Is your flash drive NTFS or FAT32 formatted? Format with FAT32 and it should work.
-Raja
The flash drives are indeed formated in fat32. The board refuses to boot anything uefi for some reason? It wont boot uefi win8 dvd also.
Can you post a screenshot of your CSM settings page in the UEFI? I have a Deluxe board here and it boots Win8 as UEFI from a USB stick. It takes 20, maybe 30 seconds to do so though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisB17
3000MHz 12-14-14-25-1T @ 1.65v primed for 7 hours
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That's a beast of IMC owikh :up:
Testing high cpu and mem clock on Maximus VI HERO , with Team Xtreem LV 2666
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Compression performance on Haswell is awesome. Now you can cut the time of unrarring by half.
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hey owikh you got any 5ghz 4770ks?Quote:
Originally Posted by owikh84
Currently i have one 4770K only, and it needs at least 1.55v for 5.0 with 2 cores. 5.0 HT is not booting or stuck at windows logon screen without CPU PLL OV enabled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phaseshift
So I got my vi extreme yesterday and worked on it today--disappointed to find that you have to use slot 1 as the primary graphics slot, I wanted to run an areca raid card there and put my 780s in slots 2 and 3--after installing a fresh win8 64 i loaded a lan driver and then went to load the latest nvidia driver when the driver goes to check the cards and connected monitors the board locked up-required a powering off the main power supply as all buttons were unresponsive and now it wont post or boot. I left the power off for awhile on both my power supplies and the power,reset,and direct buttons are unresponsive and swithing the bios to the second bios doesn't change anything either---can't anyone actually make hardware that works in other than the most limited configuration choices? what now--rma? or is there a solution out there besides gee take the board completely apart and unmounted the processor? to start over and hope it will respond.
Tested this already for few hours.
This is the setting for PSC kit for 2133C7. The bandwidths are high. Arnd 33k on read/write copy
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Run some LinX w/ AVX (10.3.7) this early morning...
4770K @ 4.6GHz 1.344v | RAM: 3000MHz 12-14-14-25-2T @ 1.65v
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* note that the GFlops is going down slightly as I've opened some background apps ie. CPU-Z etc.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by christefan
What POST code is it hanging on?
There is no post code it is hanging on--the machine locked up loading nvidia drivers, so the code then was a normal operating one with all buttons being unresponsive. After shutting the power supply off and turning it back on after a short time out--all the buttons are still unresponsive-power button does nothing, direct button does nothing. Last time I had this happen with an Asus extreme board after i took the board apart by removing all cards and removed and reseated the processor and had removed the battery for awhile then it posted as it normally would but required a disassembly and battery removal to clear the hang and none of the operating buttons working
If this has happened to you more than once, have you had your PSU checked out? A board that stops working when a driver is installed points at something deeper to me. If what you have seen was common, all of us would be running driver free.
raja can i have 0503. found that as the best bios. need a backup. its for m6e
btw is there a way to backup the whole bios into a usb stick??
ty
I don't have it. Try to back it up from your other BIOS chip onto USB stick with EZ flash if you can.
-Raja
Thank you boss. Have been looking for this BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
Why wont my Z87M-plus or my Gene post with generic HCH9 samsung rams? Mem-ok doesnt help either ....
Also, why was my 4670K much faster at 1mb pi than my 4770K with same clocks, same ram ....
:(
Not enough info there to answer why. You'll have to give a breakdown of what you tried and how the system was setup etc.
Thanks master sham
What would you like to know? Both systems were tested with Team 2400c9 and 2666c10 rams, then bios reset to default, rams swapped to HCH9 and no POST, the Gene gave code 55.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS
:(
The comment on super pi you should be able to debug yourself. Check memory timings and core frequency and any other related performance parameter is lined up during the run. Your posts are very brief in nature my friend - nobody can piece together stuff so easily from a distance. Even when you are frustrated, you need to lay out a post and describe everything you did and how. This kind of stuff is down to you being able to match up the parameters so I'm going to leave it up to you.
As for the Gene not BOOTing those DIMMs, which slots are you using? Changing DIMMs can be finnicky, if it was a swap out the IMC seems to hold on to training from previous DIMMs at times unless one is very careful in how the system is defaulted (have seen it happen). Old Samsung is not a good bet for clocking on Haswell thus far. BBSE/PSC still rule, while newer Hynix and co are good too.
Slots 1&3 are better than 2&4 on these boards as well.
any new bios for the Maximus VI Gene
Retail chip @ 195 BLCK on Corsair H90, all with just four clicks in BIOS:
http://valid.canardpc.com/2840147
This board rocks.
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Latest betas thanks to Shammy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Phaseshift
latest M6E bios combined with latest OC panel F/W - If LN2 Mode EN, oc panel automatically turns on and switches to extreme mode
http://www.mediafire.com/download/l6...ASUS-0021a.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/?d46772ddk5lwot2
Latest M6G BIOS
http://www.mediafire.com/?2l6a1u93sa0rx0x
Latest M6Hero BIOS
http://www.mediafire.com/?6or22j02ifmuzx3
for the life of me i cant get 1t fully stable without increasing the vdimm
setting 34k on read/write at 2200 7-10-7-27 2T 1.625v PSC fully stable at 4.4ghz uncore.Tested with prime for 4 hours. Got the uncore up.
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Raja,
I would like to ask you a simple question. I want to buy a new motherboard. I was between the two models. Hero and Sabertooth. These motherboards are significant differences found between the area of overclocking?
I have 4770K :)
Thanks:)
Hero might be a bit better on the memory side. CPU is limiting factor most of the time, though.
Few images from quick OC session. Lol, I had not much time to study Haswell (busy time few weeks), so the results are not the best...August will be great month for home OC....
At the beginning was only dark...
http://i.imgur.com/WORwjq7.jpg
People need here a bit LN2 in terms and dark was gone
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http://i.imgur.com/49A4O9H.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O5ni9vT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VJzJBP6.jpg
I like AMD, ROG and Intel is not bad too :)
http://i.imgur.com/MsLBRt0.jpg
buttons under cold :)
http://i.imgur.com/HjNhYDa.jpg
temps:
http://i.imgur.com/wtQitef.jpg
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after OC session :)
http://i.imgur.com/VN9EgTd.jpg
OC men and girl, whoaaaaaa :D
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setting for 2200 C7 with uncore 4.4ghz. So far this looks like 24/7
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btw still looking at how to make x-talk cancellation voltage beneficial on stability....
any guides on what ranges or is it more a cpu multiplier thingy.
Check Shammy's guide for that. He gives you the usage ideas.
Raja - that is a great guide but so much to take in, when chasing 24/7 overclocks which voltages can be used to assist stability and allow lowering of vcore?
My current cpu isnt anywhere near as good as every second guy seems to get here but its the best of the three I have owned. It primes 4500 at 1.30v under full water cooling and has been delidded. Mobo is a Maximus VI Gene and I using 2666c11 Trident-X rams.
:D
Keeping the cache and DRAM ratio low is one way. Other than that, you aren't going to get a lot to trade against Vcore.
yup understood sir, always seems to go back to the drawing board with 2133 C7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS
xtalk up to 1.1v, vccin down to 1.75v so far so good with prime.
going back to test again with my 2200 and hopefully with this will give me some insight in getting closer to 2266C7 stable and then to 2333 C8
btw why mem tweakit gives higher score for lower tREF. shouldnt it be the other way around??
Yeah that should be reversed. It's just a "fun" thing that score, so take it with a grain of salt.
Z87 Deluxe review is live. If anyone is interested in having a look here it is: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...rd-review.html
Thanks Zac. I know you put a lot of work into that!