Thanks hiwa, that's very interesting. :)
Printable View
Thanks hiwa, that's very interesting. :)
Same time we had [ Ripjaws ] F3-16000CL9D-2GBRH (1Gx2) / F3-16000CL9D-4GBRH (2Gx2) too.
Exactly same as trident 2000 c9 with bbse oem.
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...aws/index.html
Unless there were several types of BBSE I don't think I have BBSE...
BBSE does not have the lip on the bottom that extends down in the middle, you can see in the picture with white lines in my post there BBSE is flat on the bottom and whatever I have isn't.
@Don_Dan
6-7-6 doesn't work, not going to try crazy volts like 1.8v+
6-8-6 is fine in 32M at 1.67v (maybe a little bit less), I'm sure it would be stable 100% at 1.7v or less.
I think I'm gonna go ahead and sell this kit, hopefully someone that needs 1600 CL6/1866 CL7/2133 CL8 and no more than 4GB will appreciate the bargain. I would use it in my Trinity HTPC because it is lower profile and faster than my Sniper but I need the 8GB because I have 2GB dedicated to the GPU leaving 6GB or 2GB in that case.
Thanks for the post hiwa, I've only seen those kits with either BBSE or PSC chips. I have one myself and it's BBSE.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiwa
I'm pretty sure your ICs are some kind of Elpida BDxx.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Green and black pcbs on Blue Gskill 2133 C8
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1...nshot017at.png
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4...nshot018nt.png
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1...enshot016q.png
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2...enshot016f.png
Uploaded with ImageShack.us
I found your post especially interesting when I first saw these pictures over at OCN. Your green PCB kit has the expected "640" in the serial number, however, your black PCB kit, which clearly has BBSE ICs, has the "690" numbering sequence which previously was considered to be indicative of Hyper based modules.
What does it say on the green PCB chips?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
i would love to have some of this memory :( 2133 c8
This is not new, I had two sets of 2000 9-9-9- Ripjaws GBRH with BBSE, these were not relabeled, with blck pcb, which had 0690 SN - but I also had a triple Kit of 2000 c9 Trident with 0690, and these were indeed Hyper as the instant freezes on my Z77 showed :D - seems sometimes gskill likes to create a bit of confusion :rofl:
There are some 2133 C8 kit with Hyper ICs as well, also marked 0690 as far as I know.
@Don_Dan Yes, in the 2133c8 thread here at xs someone posted picture of the ICs - were very old MNH-E iirc :D
So are you stating that there are confirmed kits of 2133 C8 with Hyper ICs and the 0690 serial number AND there are known kits with BBSE ICs which also have the 0690 serial number (like Dumo's kit above)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
That sure makes a mess of things.
Edit:
Just saw websmile's post as an affirmative
I think both Mafio and crio had kits with MNH-E ICs, both green PCBs too if I recall correctly.
There are confirmed kits with MNH-E ICs, unfortunately I can't find pics of their heatspreader but I'm rather sure they were marked 0690.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I got a few green pcb 2133 C8 with the same ic and ser # 1104xxx ~ 1108xxx which clocked really good.
The black 1115xxx was an rma when the kit already oos everywhere.
And there F3-17066CL8D-4GBXMD Blues in the wild that probly only exist as review samples and early batch 104xxxx or 105xxx
Thanks for the IC confirmation. Used to feel better when I thought I knew what was under the hood of the GSkill stuff.
I really liked it in the old days of DDR1 when GSkill was so proud of the ICs they used in their products that their ram shipped naked.
I still have a couple sets of there F3-17000CL7D-4GBXHD that work great, on my UD5 they could do 6-9-6-25 at 2250.
I have two kits of F1-4400DSU2-1GBLE, I'll post some pictures for old time's sake soon! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
This kit is using PSC chips with 99% certainty, are you sure you can do 1125MHz 6-9-6?Quote:
Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
Yes I am sure, the two sets I still have are incredible. I tested them in two different Gig UD5 boards and they simply cranked. I know I have pics saved somewhere on DVD of 32 meg Pi runs that where interesting. Let me see if I can dig them up.
Yes, please try to find some screenshots! :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
Yes! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
I knew you'd have some of those too! :D
g skill tccd
now everybody has to go to his storage place and search what he has ^^ very help full list especially thanks to tapakaha for working out the basics
using it allot at the moment
there are just 4 relay important numbers 1040 640 650 660
Is that Elpida IC ? 1.05 cm x 0.75 cm. The dot on the left side is much deeper to the letters than on other Elpida ICs. SN is 0640.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/ripjawsf3...l9d-4iul0m.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/ripjawsf3...l9d-4m4zfi.jpg
This is an Elpida eTT or OEM IC, just going by the production date I think it's some kind of BDxx chip.
What is eTT ? Can you explain that ? Untested like the old utt BH-5 or what ?
Sure. I remember there is a nice explanation by Exceleram. The original source is down but the article is still up at MaximumPC:
Quote:
According to Exceleram, memory chips typically fall into one of four categories. At the top are "Major Brand" chips. These are fully tested and labelled by the maker with its own brand name, like Elpida, Hynix, Micron, Samsung, etc, and are the highest quality available.
Just below that are "eTT" chips. These are also fully tested, but overproduced and are sold unlabeled and already mounted to modules by other producers. Exceleram says these are comparable in quality to Major Brand.
Lower on the totem poll are "uTT" chips. Exceleram says these may not have been fully tested, and though they're usually functional, they're typically not backed by a warranty. The upshot is that they're a lot cheaper than other types of memory chips, so memory makers may opt to gamble.
The least desirable chips are called "Downgraded," and these have usually failed some critical tests, Exceleram says. However, they usually "work well under normal circumstances," they just won't be sold as enthusiast grade or overclocking RAM.
Thanks for explanation ;)
You're welcome! ;)
Absolutely unbelievable...
When I opened the package I thought "No f**king way!!!"...1250 is last week and the package just came (Monday)!
Thank you for the Christmas present G.Skill!
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/7628/nofkingway.jpg
Hey beep what's that? An Rma replacement?
Serial 1200 psc, what?
Yeah, RMA for 2x2GB PIS 2133 CL7 (one stick dead, only SPD worked), I was expecting Samsung stuff!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivanlabrie
I can't believe it, they gave me an SKU upgrade and pulled some kind of magic!
EDIT:
Opened the box and a Turbulence II Fan was included too, plus G.Skill sticker. I had only sent them bare modules...
PCB on the sticks is different than normal. "K0-8117"
Incredible man!
All of my sticks are g.skill and I guess they'll remain that way xD
I guess you haven't pulled the heatsinks off yet, right? I'm kinda curious about the ics...
Gonna ask to see if I can get some of those, wish me luck!
Hmm,
I send them for RMA F3-17600CL8D-4GBPS.....last month
and they send me back F3-17000CL9D-8GBXM (xxxx1500).
At least instead of 2x2GB,I have one more 2x4GB now.
Well obviously PSC, I'm not going to pull the HS off these, I can't afford to screw them up...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivanlabrie
I know, it's crazy!Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
I did ask to avoid high density modules Hynix/Samsung if at all possible though, (I told them I'd take any PSC or BBSE in the building) but that was in the middle of August with an expired RMA number (I never mailed the sticks in time) that was not exactly associated to this last one outside of the same email address.
Interesting...I'll give that a shot.
Nice! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
As I said in the team's thread, I have a Ripjaws X kit with a production date of April/May 2012, can't recall the exact week right now. I think they have a small stock of kits reserved for RMA and they print out the labels when they send out the kits.
Can you post a pic of the sticks?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Do you have green or black PCB? If there is K0-8117 on your sticks there should be an encircled HJ somewhere too...
My guess is green 8-layer PCB from HJ like on my kit.
Yeah. I can confirm it is 8 layers, one side I can see "12" and the other "78"Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
Looks like this, didn't look at date. Away from home right now.
http://www.modlabs.net/sites/default...ko-8117(2).jpg
Exactly like my kit, it's probably even from the same batch of sticks. I'm wondering why G.Skill is using this PCB instead of the usual Brainpower one...Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Any info on this 3X2GB (2009) Trident 2000 kit?
Thanks.
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3...enshot048p.png
9210660 is your dimm, I have here 9250640
http://www.abload.de/thumb/tridentf3...l9t-6vqunz.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/tridentf3...l9t-69euai.jpg
Found a new one:
http://i.imgur.com/JZdQs.png
It's the Trident-X 2400 C10 sold here for way too much money: http://dx.com/p/g-skill-tridentx-4gb...d-2-pcs-174329
G.Skill must be peeing theirselfs laughing when reading this.
eighth symbol in the SN is not always "0", I had kits with "G" and currently have a kit with "L" but these don't seem to be special or different in any way ... so the SN-IC indicators might actually be symbols 5-7 rather than 5-8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
http://thumbnails108.imagebam.com/22...8227214694.jpg http://thumbnails105.imagebam.com/22...c227214731.jpg http://thumbnails108.imagebam.com/22...e227214753.jpg
I think Elpida BDSE or similar......really crappy :down:
CoolBits, the earliest BDxx ICs I have ever seen were week 927 so most likely yours are BBSE, just not too good ones.
BBSE vary a lot in quality: there is stuff that won't do 1066 9-9-9 at 1.65V, there is stuff that will do 1200 7-10-7 at 1.7V.
Nope, sorry Dumo, I haven't seen many of the 0660 kits yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Interesting, thanks for posting the pic! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Heh, your account has been unbanned... Welcome back!Quote:
Originally Posted by TaPaKaH
Thanks for posting, I haven't seen any kit where the eigth digit isn't "0" yet. Any idea what these symbols could mean?
I really doubt any manufacturer binned BDSE for 1000MHz tRCD 9, I think you just found a pretty bad BBSE kit. Sorry man! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by CoolBits
And here is my contribution to this thread:
Dear MemMaster Daniel, please tell me what could be under the hood of these:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14652801/Xt...-8GBTDD%29.jpg
Are they any good?
2000 c9 trident quad kit, Elpida BBSE, usually higher quality but these are later samples - make tests for 2133 7-9-7-21 and then go higher, very good samples do 1200 8-10-7-22 at below 1,75v and can boot and run 1300 8-11-7-22 with hard subs - good luck on that
Edit lol, I misread the label, if these are 2x4gb and not 4x2gb, these will most likely be bcse, going up on max of 2133 9-9-9 and 2400 10-10-10 at high voltage - sorry :p :D
what BBSE? these are 4Gb modules :D
anyway, the only Elpida 2Gbit ICs I know that are capable of such specs are BCSE .. which aren't something interesting for benchers.
Thanks for the nice title! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr3ak
As I said, I'm not sure what they are, they could be the same chips that were used on this kit, maybe the first 2Gb Chips by Elpida ( EDJ2108BASE?! ). Can you test your kit and compare the results?
Nope, it's 4GBx2 not 2GBx4! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by websmile
hmm, Dan, as usually you failed on F5 and haven?t noticed the two updates done before your post :p: :rofl:
Bought 2 x 6gb trident 2000 9-9-9-27 one 1.65 and one 1.6 And one 6gb pis 2000 6-9-6 (psc 100% )will be here next week hope the tridents are good...
I had to chat with a girl, that's more important than refreshing the thread! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by websmile
I'm looking forward to your tests! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by hiwa
Glad to see you have your priorities in order. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
Have here SN 1340 on F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ 2x2, production was 934. 1340 I can not remember.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/valuef3-1...d-4gb2crmn.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/valuef3-1...d-4gbbhrx5.jpg
Look at the very small dot on the left side. Thats no Aeneon / Qimonda / Infineon. Looks like the old ProMos on DDR2.
Sure! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I have never seen any ProMOS DDR3 chips, but their site says they produce 1Gb, 2Gb and 4 Gb ICs. Comparing it to their DDR2 chips ( under Various DDR2 ICs ) I think you're right. I'll add them with a question mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by stunned_guy
The IC are very tall, 1.30 x 0.90 cm. Biggest IC on DDR3 I ever see.
I noticed that as well, very big ICs.
Nanya and Elixir also have very small dots on the left side but we know the SN of these. So there is in my opinion no other choise than ProMos. Or is there any other producer in the world who makes IC for the market not listen in the list on the first side ?
Edit:
SN 0940 could be Elixir because every producer is listen one times in the list. So why Nanya is listen with 2 several numbers of 08xx and 09xx ?
09xx can't be Elixir, I'm pretty sure about that. 07xx is Elixir and 08xx is Nanya. I've only seen one kit of 09xx and my best guess was that they're Nanya. I just checked Tapakah's list and he put them as ProMOS... :D
PS: Companies missing in the list are Winbond ( possible ) and Mosel Vitelic Corporation ( owned by ProMOS, closed down in 2009, never made DDR3 ICs afaik ), just from the top of my head.
You are right. Was my fault Elixir is in the list with 07xx ;) First thinking than writing :D
Mosel Vitalic is never doing DDR3 so far. I hope I will find some other 13xx with label to check it out.
3 x 2gb trident 2000 9-9-9-27 one 1.65 6400 BBSE
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8206/img0002sk.jpg
3 X 2GB trident 2000 9-9-9-27 one 1.60 104L is it PSC ?
http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/8771/img0004qo.jpg
3 X 2GB PIS 2000 6-9-6 1040 PSC
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/845/img0003pn.jpg
Me drools at 6GBPIS at 6-9-6... looked for these for ages...
104L is PSC, I have seen kits with a letter instead of the zero several times, funny is that this was mostly on kits sold at france :D
bought them from Belgium and NLQuote:
Originally Posted by websmile
so now i have enough , just waiting for a new flare kit then i am done for haswell...
dude that kit is from ebay BE lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Thanks hiwa!Quote:
Originally Posted by hiwa
Yes, 104x is PSC.
Tapakah has commented on this in post 141, I have only seen "L" and "Y" so far, and of course "0". I have absolutely no idea what it means. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by websmile
I found 2 kit's of 2x2GB 9-9-9-27 Ripjaws (F3-16000CL9D-4GBRH) with sn 1200. Best PSC's i have seen so far, better kit does 7-10-7 2200 1.57v and capable to CL8 2700 1.92v with aircooling.
http://i3.aijaa.com/b/00584/11668903.jpg
Lucky me, found these from clearance sale for 50e/kit.
Can you go 2600 CL8 and TWCL6?Quote:
Originally Posted by Asmola
Looks like yes. Havent tested before, but thanks for pointing out! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Edit: Also capable to 7-12-7 2600 1.92v with air. :) Testing min voltage for that...
..1.825v min for 7-12-7 2600.
Hi all! Do you have any idea about F3-12800CL8T-6GBPI s/n 9130640158023, Elpidaor something else?Code:06xx - Elpida 0640 0650/0660 BBSE
These are Elpida ICs, but I doubt these being BBSE - might as well be BASE or BDBG, 0640 covered not only BBSE and the 1600c8 PIS kits I know were bad clockers most likely BASE
Thanks for explanations. I think you're right, this kit has no chances to be good )Quote:
Originally Posted by websmile
you mean these?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
http://i.imgur.com/LWxbDUs.png
I would tell you what I paid but it would just make you mad XD
fuuuuuuu :D
I thought this was strange, have not tested these yet but wanted to see if any low bin PSC pi snuck through the cracks.
Seems the same model comes in PSC and Elpida flavors, there are no bbse white lines on the IC's though and they look the same as the psc kit from the bottom.
http://i.imgur.com/mOiqS0c.jpg
@PIS 2000 - these were offered to me for 130 dollars plus shipping - think you paid the same amount of money :D
6GBPIS vs 6GBBPID
101610400 VS 102910401
http://i.imgur.com/LWxbDUs.png
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/845/img0003pn.jpg
do you know my ebay login details or something XDQuote:
Originally Posted by websmile
Which kit is better?Quote:
Originally Posted by hiwa
If I'm not mistaken, it is the same product, but the one ending in "D" comes with a ram fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaJ0r
Without fan:
http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=260
With fan:
http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=279
blue ripjaws 2133 8-9-8 are 690 but bbse
Perfect Storm 2000 8-8-8 are 690 and hyper
I had 690 2000s tridents with hypers and 0690 ripjaws 2000 c9 with bbse, sometimes the pattern varies, and I don't have your ebay login :D, I got pn by the seller yesterday as I requested price incl. shipping a while ago for these, but my plans changed and I go out of mem testing
Maybe the 0640 kit is Elpida BDBG? How do they clock?Quote:
Originally Posted by Splave
0690 is usually Elpida MxH-E Hyper, but there are some exceptions. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Splave
Sure...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by websmile
Got these a while ago:
http://imageshack.us/a/img854/2373/g...x220071010.jpg
I predict 1200 c7-11-8-28 at 1,71v 32M judging from the kits I tested^^ - and on ddr3 is nothing left to discover except 8gb 2800C11 sticks with mfr needing 500 trfc :D
i have PIS but i have fan too but turbulence :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
These 4X4 BFR I just got, scale up better than 2400 stick..probly the settings
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1486/zzzzzzz009.jpg
@Dumo:
Are you sure these are BFR? What voltages do these need for 1300MHz+ CL9/CL10?
@Sam:
Just quick test boot up @ 2800 11-13-13-35 hynix sets, not really sure now if this actually BFR like 2400 RpjawZ C9
She went crazy with C9 @ 2600 but managed to do C10 @ 1.63V just fine
Thanks, I'll find out in due time! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by websmile
At least there is something left to discover! ;)
I have an Ares kit with the same specs/same black PCB from week 1212 with CFR, I think all of the kits from this time frame are CFR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
God who would have thought this rando low bin psc kit had one of the best sticks I have XD
2 of the sticks will do this, one needs a bit looser secondaries.
http://i.imgur.com/5yyxgMR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Aa8apWz.jpg
Nice! How much voltage did you need?
I think that I still have a few of those lying around that I haven't thrown into a Z77 board. Me thinks that I'm gonna have to get off my arse and give them a go.
1.92v Def worth giving a go :)
I am pretty sure most PSC kits that come with 2000 9-9-9 at 1.6v are a pretty good bin, usually.
I have one stick of Trident PSC at that spec that is just as good or better than my 2400 c8's.
PSC binned for 1000MHz tRCD9 at 1.6V is far from low bin! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Splave
:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3
haha I guess I didnt mean low bin, but not a highly sought after main stream known good clocking kit :)
That's more like it. :rofl:
From my own experience and observations, BBSE and PSC on G.Skill's mid-end models (such as 2000C9) varies a lot in quality.
Occasionally, you do get lucky sticks but I would not say that those belong in quite the same league as BBSE RipjawsX or the higher PSC PIS. G.Skill have "graded" the IC quality between their BBSE and PSC lineups rather nicely if you ask me.
After getting burned on 2000C9 way too many times (by gettings sticks that are so awful that they are impossible to resell) I don't even look in their direction anymore.
mixed pis 3x2gb 2000c6 and 1x trident 2000c9
All air and 1.88
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5554/screen022ny.jpg
Hi,
nice run hiwa,can you tell me what ohter settings you use? i can run 3x2GB at the same settings with 3x2Gb G.Skill Pi 2000 Cl6 but with 4x2GB G.Skill PI 2000 Cl6 i got not exct in round in spi32 all stick's can run that speed.
Got these
http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1275620/
4X4
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3...enshot134a.png
Uploaded with ImageShack.us
Can these do the 1300 at same settings with less voltage or is this maxed out?