Anyone with his problem?
I have the 11.5.0.1184 on my z77-UD5 and when I update the drivers to 11.5.0.1207 it's stuck at Windows loading animation?
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Note: I was already on Raid 0 with my SSDs and using older Intel drivers, if that helps.
Anyone with his problem?
I have the 11.5.0.1184 on my z77-UD5 and when I update the drivers to 11.5.0.1207 it's stuck at Windows loading animation?
edit:
Note: I was already on Raid 0 with my SSDs and using older Intel drivers, if that helps.
we are all looking for better performance mate...even if trim not working or maybe we dont know yet its good to see new RAID ROMS and drivers ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by m.oreilly
:up:
1. Do you know a better method to verify, if Trim is working or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by m.oreilly
2. My Crucial M4 SSD's are not Sandforce based.
3. Today or tomorrow I will transfer my RAID0 array from a Z68 to a Z77 system, which is using the same Intel RAID ROM version. After having done the "Hex test" again, I probably can say more about the validity of it.
Which Intel RAID ROM version is in your mainboard BIOS chip?Quote:
Originally Posted by biassj
Fernando did you estract the Bios OROM Raid Intel RAID ROM module v11.5.0.1582 from that Biostar Bios ? If so please can you post it here and share it with us to give it a try , im also in transition to upgrading from my old dying , and aging Asus Rampage 3 eXtreme x58 mobo i7 950 combo , to a newly fresh Asus Z77 Mobo and i5 3570k so i will have a lot of testing going on with Z77 Intel chipset during the next few days.
Nevermind i found it: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1582-available!!!
Thanks to canthearu : http://www.canthearu.com/pchraidr.bin
You can find this Intel RAID ROM v11.5.0.1582 and other RAID ROM modules >here<. They are already extracted and tested by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by chispy
I was on Raid Rom 11.5.0.1184 and now I'm on 11.5.0.1582. Tried using an older version of the drivers which you had on another website, same results. I updated my firmware on my two Agility 3s. I wonder if I need a fresh install?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernando
anyone saw any better perfomance with this new RAID ROM ???
Friend,Quote:
Originally Posted by chispy
The OROM code has been extracted from the BIOS I provided and it is available at the thread I created myself.
Link for my thread at this very own forum is here.
Link for extracted OROM is provided by user canthearu (thank him for that!): http://www.canthearu.com/pchraidr.bin
User Fernando is also doing a GREAT job spreading news about this updated OROM (thank him too). Let's hope it's final and not beta.
Just to clarify this: Yes, I have extracted the ROM module from the BIOS myself and that is the file I am offering >here<. I did not use the ROM, which was extracted by canthearu.Quote:
Originally Posted by chispy
Thank you guys :)
Well, in theory, the rom from my site should be exactly the same as Fernando's, since they were both extracted from the same ROM.
Fernando: TThe new 11.5.0.1582 ROM works fine with the older 11.1.0.1006 drivers on my P55 board.
fernando, with non sandforce, i think you may be seeing GC rather than trim. what we are not privy to are the inner workings of controller FW and how they handle/don't handle metadata and how they utilize any sort of file system aware translation layering. for all we know, we could be seeing just a response to a simple delete, and the drive/FW responding GC algorithms. again, it would be ultra cool to have raid trim (i think) under win7/server 08r2. i don't think the hex thing is a be all end all when you include the drive's inner workings. proprietary inner workings. good luck.
Since the Garbage Collection is a feature of the SSD's and has nothing to do with the environment (chipset, OS, drivers, RAID ROM etc.), please explain:Quote:
Originally Posted by m.oreilly
How is it possible, that in my Z68 system the test file data have been still present within their RAID SSD cells hours after the delition. whereas they were completely erased within seconds with my Z77 system?
Please try to explain it.
well, it does. unless you have personal access to proprietary goings on with FW creators, how do you know what you are 'seeing' is actually what is happening? the workings of translation layers and pointers within the FW/ssd themselves are pretty much guarded secrets. you may be surprised at how ssds these days can 'sync' with file system hints. i was.
@ m.oreilly:
Thanks for your response, which did not persuade me really.
@ all:
Yesterday I have repeated the "Trim test" with an Intel Z77 mainboard while running Windows 7 x64.
Beside mainboard and CPU the system (hardware ansd software) was exactly the same as before with an Intel Z68 chipset mainboard, where the "Trim test" failed (data were still present after the delition).
Here are the test results:
1. Hex Offset data of the sector of the RAID partition C: with the JPG test file:
Attachment 129047
2. Hex Offset data of the same sector about 5 seconds after having deleted the file:
Attachment 129048
3. Just for a comparison here is the pic I took with my Z68 system 1 hour after having deleted the test file:
Attachment 129049
By the way: With the Z77 mainboard I got the same results while running Windows 8 x64. The related Offset data of the test file sector zeroed out within a few seconds after the delition.
Regards
Fernando
Fernando but its on 00000 didnt that means ok ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernando
Yes, my test results do 100% confirm your earlier findings:Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
Trim is working within the RAID0 array under Win7 and Win8, if the mainboard has an Intel Z77 chipset and the user has flashed a BIOS with an Intel RAID ROM v11.5.0.1414 or higher and uses the Intel RST(e) RAID drivers v11.5.0.1184 or higher.
Additional finding:
Mainboards with an Intel Z68 chipset are not (yet) supported by this Trim into RAID feature.
Well done, Fernando!
Thanks a lot Fernando for all the hard work , testing, help and findings. Well Done. This is what XS its all about to share and help each other :clap:
great !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernando
Yeah...unless your stuck with a Z68....:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
Plan on going R0 with another 520 in a month or two now that intel lowered their ssd prices...with any luck maybe trim (in whatever form or however implemented) will make it's way down to my platform before long.
Release notes for RST 11.5.0.1207 drivers have been made available! Here is the link!
Also confirmed: OROM 11.5.0.1582 is FINAL, not beta!
thanks man !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by medeirosdez
Hex dump is useless, you're looking at certain LBAs that do not correspond to any specific NAND address. It's just how to FW presents the logical volume to the OS.
For all you know, these new drivers just tell the FS to wipe it's arse better - there is no way to check whether or not TRIM is working past the FTL.
Considering that it's not working on Z68, I wouldn't be very confident that it's working on Z77. There's no real difference between the two, at least not something that would affect a software function such as TRIM. TRIM is an ATA command, it could care less what hardware it's going to as long as the drivers support ATA passthrough.
Fernando or anyone who can please help me , i have tried to Mod the latest Bios 0404 for my new Asus P8Z77-V LK but i keep getting a message while trying to flash the moded Bios that says " "Security Verification" warning , i dont have a ROG board on this Z77 chipset so cannot do the ROG flashback ( http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...BIOS-Flashback ) , this Mobo has only one Bios chip its not like my old Asus Rampage extreme x58 that had 2 Bios. So i have to be extra careful to not corrupt the Bios. I did succesfully Moded the Asus Rampage 3 extreme x58 Bios using your guide , i replace the OROM twice without any problem , its this UEFI Bios wich i dont understand so much , i have tried for 2 days and for the life of me i cannot mod this Bios correctly , can someone here with a good Soul help me and Mod this Bios 0404 for me with the latest intel Bios Raid OROM 11.5.0.1582
Motherboard is Asus P8Z77-V LK
Latest Bios 0404 here http://www.mediafire.com/?4h2kdhdnu5rkz56
Latest Official OROM http://www.mediafire.com/?jnvus6jdun15vas
Thank you so much in advanced , apretiate it.
Kind Regards Angelo.
latest RAID ROM .1582 + latest .1207 intel RST drivers are giving me much less performance...i flashed today with modded bios and i keep getting low read low write...weird...
yep, but this is unfolding like the emperor's new cloths: i jut don't want to see 'embareassed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kain665
I ran into the same problem with my ASUS P8Z77-V mainboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by chispy','index.php?page=Thread&postID=152347#post1 52347
At least I succeeded with the update of the Intel RAID ROM module this way:If you should not have an "USB BIOS Flashback" button on your mainboard, you probably have to wait until ASUS releases a new BIOS version with an updated Intel RAID ROM module of the v11.5 series.
- Take an USB flash drive, format it using the FAT32 file system and copy the modded BIOS onto it.
- Rename the BIOS file according to the PDF file, which you got with the latest ASUS BIOS.
- Shut down your computer, but don't switch off the power.
- Open your Computer case, look into your mainboard manual and search for the "USB BIOS Flashback Button".
- Put the USB stick with the modded BIOS file into the special BIOS Flashback USB port of the mainboard's Rear Panel and then hit the "USB BIOS Flashback" button for a few seconds until the BIOS flashback light starts to flash.
- Wait until the BIOS flash light signal has gone out.
- Start the computer, enter the BIOS and do your BIOS settings.
- Remove the USB flash drive.
If you don't want to wait for a new official BIOS, you or someone else may try to fix the checksum of your modded BIOS according to >this< guide.
Thank you , apretiate it the help , but i have found out that its immposible to flash my mobo with a Moded Bios file the normal way using asus flash 2 utility in bios via USB , i keep getting the message " Validation file failed " , the only way in order to succesfully flash this Moded bios its using the Asus Flashback Button method in the special usb relating to this procedure. My mobo does not have the flashback button as it is the cheapest Z77 board in the Asus Z77 line , so its a no go for me. But i have already contacted Asus Technical support with an inquiry for a Bios update with the included Latest File Bios Raid Rom 11.5.0.1582. i will wait a couple of days if i dont get an answer or a bios update i will have to pull some strings at Asus Headquarters Taiwan to my team mate Andre Yang and Master Shamino Peter Tan :D, i dont like to bother the masters they are always busy , i will use it and bother them at last resort eventhought we are great friends and belong to the same overclocking hwbot team Team PURE , but i have stopped profesional overclocking for over a year now , so no more trowing money to the wind on my part :rofl:
FYI: I have done the Trim test very often. As long as I have done it with my Z68 chipset system, the Hex codes of the JPG file have always been at the same Offet and sector before and after the delition of the file. After having changed the mainboard to a Z77 chipset one the Hex codes of the JPG file were zeroed out within seconds. Additionally I have checked each time, if the Hex code of the JPG file has been changed to another sector by whatever, but it hasn't. The "Search" option of the Hex Editor couldn't find any part of the file.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kain665
You are wrong. If the "new drivers" would tell the SSD Firmware to wipe the garbage better, why did it not do it on my Z68 board? The Hex codes of the deleted file were still there hours after having deleted the file, although the RAID has used exactly the same OROM/driver combination as with the Z77 board.Quote:
For all you know, these new drivers just tell the FS to wipe it's arse better - there is no way to check whether or not TRIM is working past the FTL.
Fernando
i went back to RAID ROM 11.5.0.1414 for some reason with .1582 sucked bad
when i had the .1414 i always have aprox 1200 of score then when i changed to .1582 i got 1031 and 1047 for 2 days so i went back and at the beggining was this with .1414
before just installed .1414 and after using .1582 for 2 days
i scored 1031 dont have the screen sorry
after i left it the weekend with .1414
http://i.imgur.com/A9292.jpg
so something going on here Trim or whatever it arranges data thats obvious
I have been informed by an industry contact that TRIM in RAID 0 is in fact working and that it has been confirmed :)
heck paul, i know it's working, i just want to know if intel really pulled some alchemy with magic drivers/win7 (other companies have pulled it off with 'special' hardware/FW and proprietary drivers, but MS wouldn't ok a whql)...or you are just verifying win8 is doing what it's supposed to...what's the story?
I will provide more detail once i can. I am getting further news on it tomorrow.
sweet! thank you :up:
I have checked some popular Intel boards and DP67BG, DZ68ZV already recieved latest OROM 11.5.0.1582
Can't wait to find out. Fingers crossed for Win7...Quote:
I will provide more detail once i can. I am getting further news on it tomorrow.
Thank you !Quote:
Originally Posted by Computurd
Interesting. I have a DP67BG, and the last BIOS update did indeed add 11.5.xx. I might have to dig it out of the closet and give her a go.
comp, i've been camped outside for the last 24 hours awaiting your reply. this spiderman outfit is itchy, and the Italian bakery will no longer let us (yes, us, as in the missus also wants to 'hear it first') use the facilities...we are down to our last napoleon...it's real good, but can you toss us a shred?
ah :banana::banana::banana::banana: ya crack me up bud, ever try standup m.oreilly? :rofl:
sorry guys im waiting on word back, i asked for 100% confirmation.
is there going to be some sort of official announcement? i wonder why intel are not forthcoming? this would be big super news for existing older api enterprise, and point to future parity raid awesomeness...if unmap is working under server 2008r2 and win7. new server/win8:i kinda expect, but unless MS writes off on an included unmap driver, we will wait...
Why are you so excited?Quote:
Originally Posted by m.oreilly
You wrote, that you do not trust my test results regarding TRIM support within a RAID array. Now you are waiting impatiently for an information from a person, who knows a person, who knows persons, who say, that they know a lot about this topic.
Intel has already officially announced, that all RST drivers from v11.x.x.xxxx series up do support TRIM within a RAID0 (no word about restrictions regarding the OS or the chipset). You can read it, when you start the RST GUI of the last RST packages and open "Help" > "Introduction". Do you believe that? Why not?
As for me: I only trust, what I have verified myself.
fernando, i love your tutorial on bios modding. it stands on it's own merrit.
attempting to decipher the state of nand, using a hex editor 'viewing' lba, and then saying the nand is trimmed, under an os that lacks the pertinent hints it's api would have to provide, is not very convincing, and neither are the bench results that have been posted. i'll wait...
Does anyone have a gigabyte f12 bios modded to include a version of 11.5 OROM that will enable functioning RAID 0 TRIM? Thanks for your help. I have no idea how this is accomplished so please excuse my ignorance.
you are here among us to learn and when you do help others as we do so you dont need to apologize ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by B Gates
PM stasio he will help
Cheers
Sergio
Thank You Sergio!
NEW RST 11.5.2.1001 WHQL
http://www.station-drivers.com/telec...ivers.com).exe
P.S. no fix for memory leak, only driver is new.
Is that memory leak the reason its kind of unstable? I'm running that driver with windows 8 and sometimes my rig fails to respond correctly.
And how does the firmware know that certain LBAs previously used do not correspond to any specific NAND address anymore ? :clap: TRIM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kain665
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by B Gates
this are my ADATA SX900 256GB Sata 3 on RAID0 very fast drives
with latest RST 4K improved a lot
http://i.imgur.com/E08VR.png
still using RAID ROM 11.5.0.1414 as the latest gives me low numbers, didnt try with the ADATAs but with the intel was hella low
well heck. i feel a bit ripped off (socket 2011), if you folks with z77 systems are the only ones getting intel raid trim with win7 :mad:
why would intel do this for this one socket iteration?
hehe, a bit rhetorical, but wtf
I am pretty sure, that the complete Intel 7 series chipsets will be supported by the TRIM in RAID0 feature of the actual RST(e) v11.5 drivers/OROM versions. The only problem for users with an Intel X79 RAID0 system is to get the v11.5 OROM flashed into the BIOS and the v11.5 drivers installed. They have to add the missing HardwareIDs into the INF file or to use an already modded v11.5.0.1207 driver pack (look >here<).Quote:
Originally Posted by m.oreilly
So are we guys with P67 gonna be SOL too?
i'm hoping, and i was going to start asking around, if there is a corresponding 'e' 11.5 orom for the x79? for drivers, i was thinking of modding the inf. thanks for the link ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernando
i'm thinking intel would focus on the latest socket first, though i wonder if there is some hardware id in the orom that could be altered. i had been focusing on hardware raid and unmap. i can now see how intel could have passthrough with our intel 'fake' raid/ahci trim hints. someone just showed me some very interesting results, without using a hex editor. very interesting to the point i'm on board with you guys and win7 raid, atm ;)
i have a nice increase in perfomance with this drivers as the other ones, i dont know what mem leaks you refeer to but very good around hereQuote:
Originally Posted by radier
cheers
Sergio
There are no different Intel RAID OROMs for different chipsets available (only exception: v3 series for X79). That means, that the RAID ROM modules, which are released by Intel, either do work with a special chipset or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by m.oreilly
Intels v11.5 AHCI and RAID drivers are named RST, but they belong to the RSTe branch using the additional SCSI driver named iaStorF.sys. Furthermore the RST v11.5.0.1109 Alpha drivers, which were the very first of the v11.5 branch, natively did support X79 chipsets.
Since I have already the certification, that the modded RST drivers v11.5.0.1207 do work with X79 systems, I am very optimistic, that the Intel RAID ROM v11.5.0.1414 or v11.5.0.1582 will work with X79 SATA RAD Controllers too.
RWL have sunk their teeth into the 'trim for raid' topic. Makes for a great read too.
http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?id=672
yep. that's the article. i was hoping he'd have it up soon
fernando, i've heard that the 11.5 oroms will not allow the x79 boards to boot. i was warned about this some time ago, so haven't toyed with modding a bios with any of these oroms. i would assume there would be a 3 series that had the necessary stuff to allow the same goodies that the 11.5 oroms bring? we have the 11.5 drivers as you mentioned based on the 'e' series, so i don't see why there would not be a 'e' series 3x orom in the near future, on that plays nice with socket 2011? vr zone had an article up recently which sated x79 versions of the intel 11.5 drivers/orom would be released. not sure where they got their info, but it would be nice
oops...pulled!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaxx
There are a couple of typo's being corrected. It should be back up soon.
Hmmm...he musta spotted a mistake or something, he's usually pretty thorough. He'll prolly repost it before long.
edit: heh...told ya...:P
the devil
Chris said he's going to send you an email tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by Zaxx
Thanks for the link.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaxx
Although the authors have used another and more time-consuming method to verify the TRIM function, the results are exactly the sames as ours (btester, andressergio and me) we have published already in July.
Good deal. Let him know I may not get back to him til tomorrow...was up all night, think I got a touch of food poisoning and it's NOT pretty. Gonna call it an early night tonight probably...stomach is still tied in a knot. Sux.
Its back up http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?id=672
I know...just figured some may find the article a good read with all the details in one write up vs spread thru out a 5 page, 170+ post thread. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernando
i'd like to see non SF drives tested also, but this is really cool! well done jon!
I guess i could raid a performance pro and a vertex 4 together I dont have any other non-sandforce drives right now. I can tell you that it will work. I will do it in a couple days.
VOILA - Proven beyond the reasonable doubt it is :clap: , I'm so glad I started this tread to prove it , and Darn it proven it is :D , and makes me so happy that a lot of people including myself did a lot of testing and Bios moding to prove this , Thank you guys for all the input ( Fernando , Andres Sergio , Computurd , BTester, and myself ) testing , Bios moding , help , etc ... It was an uphill battle we ran to prove it. Im happy :) , now let's share this information with everyone !
I like the conclusion on that article :D :
Conclusion:
RAID 0 TRIM has indeed arrived. It won’t be long before we start seeing board manufacturers serving up 11.5.0.1582 or higher OROMs with their BIOS’s. When they do you can be confident that whether you are running Windows 7 or 8 along with the correct chipset/s and IRST driver your RAID 0 array will have functioning TRIM. Intel has delivered on their promise to give us what we’ve all been waiting for RAID 0 TRIM. As of today there is NOTHING a single drive can do that a RAID 0 Array cannot do better. This day has been a long time coming and brings with it forth coming satisfaction for thousands of INTEL RAID 0 users. Awesome job INTEL, simply awesome!
We decided to test this specifically because of this particular thread. You are exactly right thanks to your guys hard work that article was possible so thank you and Fernando , Andres Sergio , Computurd , BTester and also to stasio for providing the BIOS. Spread the gospel guys!Quote:
Originally Posted by chispy
@Jon...
Quote:
I believe we have also proven that a Z77 board is probably not a requirement as well.
It's awesome news ofc...but I gotta reserve my elation until it's 100% verified working with the Z68 chipset...and I know you have one of those handy.
Now get back to work! :hehe: Actually atm I'm only running 2 x V2s in raid...have one lent to a friend (SSD virgin) and the wifey has the other one...looks like it's repo time! :yepp:
GREAT !!! i like the conclusion very much :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chispy
only thing i have to quote is why i have better performance using OROM 11.5.0.1414 than latest...
Will have to test my P55 board!
Tested on my Asrock Z68 Pro 3 with modded bios 2.10, latest OROM posted here and current drivers.
Confirmed Trim works.
Windows 7 X64 SP1 with 2x Crucial M4 128's in Raid 0
YESSS!!! That's music to my ears...sweet music.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazog
/me goes on the hunt for modded 3402 Asus P8Z68 Pro Gen3 bios. With this news I'm sure Asus (and all the others) will eventually update their bios but like most of us I'm too damn impatient to wait on them.
btw...Does anyone know if it works with the P67 chipset as well?
Who confirmed, that TRIM works within your RAID0? If you confirmed it yourself, how did you test it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazog
Has anyone tried this with the asus mive p67 board ? and would it work with that older modle of board guys
I'm going to test Z68 in a couple days just got the bios I needed
I'll be updating the BIOS on my P67-UD4-B3 with a modded BIOS from here also in a few days/tise weekend with Win 7 and see how it goes.
Thanks for all your hard work guys!
I really doubt, that Intel chipsets of the 6-series will get benefit of the "Trim in RAID0" feature with the currently available Intel RST drivers and Intel RAID ROMs.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
have you tested any 6 series chipsets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernando
Yes. TRIM definitively didn't work with my Z68 system using the same drivers/ROM environment as with my Z77 system (where it works).Quote:
Originally Posted by B Gates
Thanks for the info! Any idea why it doesn't work for 6 series?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernando
Everything in that article posted worked for me on my Z68 board. Anvil will now do a TRIM on my raid and I can see each drive while in Raid and I ran a AS SSD Benchmark run after I let TRIM do its thing and my scores went up where they should be at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernando
can you fill test with vantage? It does sound like its working for you. I'm going to test my z68 soonQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazog
I believe its all in the driver and orom so I dont see why it wouldnt work with z68
Ok, I can also post the bios I modded at anyones own risk to try if they have a Asrock Z68 Pro 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by B Gates
How is he doing a TRIM on your RAID? Either TRIM works or not. Anvil may help you to create a system where TRIM has the best chances to pass through your RAID Controller to the SSD RAID members, but the TRIM command itself cannot be influenced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazog
i got CDI passthrough on my x79...
I'm Sorry Fernando i forgot that u tried and didnt work and was only Z77 :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernando
Looks like I was mistaken with some of my assumptions like CDI. I just got some clarification directly from INTEL and they say its supposed to only work on 7 series or higher chipsets. But I'm still going to test it anyway.
yeah, i was told that certain drivers will allow passthrough to individual raid members, but that doesn't mean the trim command is executed. i love my x79...darn...