Unfortunately, we didn't get a test platform and were only briefed a few days ago but here's the article nonetheless:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...e-new-apu.html
:)
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Unfortunately, we didn't get a test platform and were only briefed a few days ago but here's the article nonetheless:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...e-new-apu.html
:)
I hope they release an 11.6" notebook w/ Trinity, and sweet jesus give me the ipad's screen on that notebook too please!
Unimpressive.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/ima...nimpressed.png
11.6" notebook w/ a 9.7" screen... what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raqia
meh, trinity is an improvement, yes, but disappointing it doesnt 100% handle Intels HD4000 graphics
suppose this is due to cpu limitations
however I am impressed with Trinity's battery life compared to Ivy-Bridge, that is a huuuge win!
You know what I mean, pixel density and screen quality have just got to improve. Not that I would even mind a 9.7" screen of that quality on an 11.6" netbook. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Jesus
yeah idk what is up with that? i mean it looks as if it is the spu, because the games where ivy won are cpu intensive....but in those tests it was pretty much on par....only like 5 points difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Batterly life isn't suprising since the ivB is a 45W model i thought..Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Would be interesting if anand would have done batterly life under load tests. since now we are comparing cpus where one has close to 30% more tdp. which should affect the batterly life under load significantly.. But we only have idle behavior as a way to go for.
yah guess yur rightQuote:
Originally Posted by flyck
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-T...eview/?page=12
we will have to see when retail laptops start emerging and final product can be tested
either way trinity is better in every way to llano, at least they got that right this time lol
now AMD for darn sure better have 28nm steamroller/GCN ready for Haswell
nice guys, looks overall good n this segment :)
I was surprised the difference in 3D is so small. When Intel guys were talking about this, saying stronger cpu plus a bit weaker gpu will give AMD run for its money, I was a bit skeptical.
Anyhow, I couldn't wait for IB, just bought myself Acer M3 the other day.. Seeing those Anand benchs, I don't think I messed up.
At least battery life is good, but wonder how it will perform once dualcore IBs with HD4000 are here.
I'm kinda curious to see if higher speed ram would make much of any difference in these tests. Llano seemed to love the extra boost from that. I still like there was a improvement, but I'm going to hold off on one of these and stick with a tablet for now. See what the next AMD APU brings next year I guess.
very good results:
a solid improvement on the same process, battery life improved while performance also improved, whats there to complain about.
the hd4000 graphics were built to be twice as fast as hd3000 because its on 22nm, and that was a 45w cpu. look at its battery life test, its at the bottom of every one. i think intel might feel a little hurt they didnt push the gpu a little more since they got bullied around by a 35w 32nm chip vs their 45w 22nm chip.
i would love to see what the A10-4655M can do considering its performance is only slightly less, but is a 25w chip. also the package is different FS1r2 vs FP2, so that could include more power savings outside of just the cpu. that would probably be the chip i buy if i was going to be getting a laptop anytime soon
Pretty nice work by AMD, especially with respect to power. If I were going to get a new laptop it would definitely have trinity in it. That being said I think AMD better watch out - intel closed the gap quite a bit since sandy bridge. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next generation.
Just opened the anandtech review, and its normal if you compare vantage and 06, the cpu score will win a big amount of the final score .... It is too clear in some games where at extremely low level graphics, Ivy will pass over, the cpu count more on this level, and at the moment you push a bit the detail ( in medium quality ), it invert the score .. I think AMD should really watch the cpu performance .. But anyway, there's too a big difference to the aimed price sector. As for a laptop, it will be interessant to have a price/perf/watt ratio ( ofc we need laptop for compare this )..Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
AMD will have die area and TDP room to push forward on CPU front with 28nm Steamroller core. There we may see some more significant IPC changes and clock speed increases. GPU part is already known, it will have ~512 GCN "cores" which is pretty big uplift versus Trinity and Llano. I think AMD will have no problems on the GPU side and if they are a bit more aggressive on CPU front they may close the gap to IB with SR core(Haswell will be main opponent but not immediately and not in all segments) .
Thought of going IB, but Trinity is simply better for my needs. Faster gaming, cheaper, similar battery life (wtf?), less cpu performance which is masked by a fast ssd. I never thought id say this so soon but AMD have a winner with trinity and i cant wait to see what they come up with in the future with steamroller/gcn/smaller node. Bring it on.
next review is at Hexus http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/39...m-trinity-apu/
GPU performance of Trinity was little bit over-hyped. Seems like A8-4600 is a natural competitor for dual-core IB parts but those have half of die size of Trinity which is not good for AMD's margin. Also I wonder how A6 parts with cut-down GPU/CPU will perform against IB i3 parts with "full-size" HD4000.
Well when IB matches Trinity's GPU it does it usually in a few CPU bound games in low quality modes. Where it loses ,it does so by a very large margin. Worst case scenario for Trinity is to lose more in those few titles where IB is competitive against fully fledged A8/A10 and come close(r) in those titles where it trailed it by a large margin before.
I'm interested in 45W Trinity parts. I see no reason for AMD not to make those(we have IB,SB and Llano in this power band). It would be interesting to see how much the iGPU can scale with those 10 additional watts.
considering how long amd has been using 32nm its not quite as simple as saying, bad for margins. contracts and yields and other factors, could make its cost them less to produce some of the last 32nm with a bigger chip vs early 22nm parts as a smaller chip.
for A6 vs i3 your still limited by tdp when it comes to such things. a full 4000 could be running at lower clocks to maintain 25w or less tdp
in anands test the battery life of trinity vs hd4000 was about equal for their gaming (it was only mentioned in the text briefly, but it would be good to see how it really performs per watt in gaming)
u right...with higher details settings is HD76xx better in scaling against HD4000 Intel. Only some bugs seems in Metro and new Batman. I think, there is is drivers problem actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Dual core IB run full speed HD4000, only the U (17W) models run at 350mhz, but still 1050/1150mhz turbo. the Dualcore IBs are the real contender for trinity. I doubt someone who really considers buying a quadcore for a a leptop wants to be ultra mobile with it and also only pairs it with only a HD4000...Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
according to wiki for IB, the TDPs are 35w, 45w or 17w. we already saw what 45w can do, and 35w will have the same base clocks with slightly lower turbo clocks. the 17w get drastically reduced base gpu clocks for a reason. even if turbo can go up to 1100mhz, that does not mean it might even come close to that. if the 45w chip was able to get incredible battery life when it gamed, then that would be an indicator that it ran at max clocks and still came no where near its tdp. but since it didnt, its very safe to assume that a 17w chip will probably get 1/3 the gaming performance, give or take cpu dependent titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
theres a reason i wanted to see performance per watt of gaming. just cause something says it can turbo to infinity, does not mean it actually ever does.
I heard that Intels HD 4000 sacrifices image quality for better FPS...if this is true, then it would explain HD 4000 beating trinity in certain cases. im sure an AMD updated driver will squash this.
would be interested to see techreports frame per time analysis approach
power consumption is pretty surprising against ivy bridge, but well have to see how lower tdp ivy bridge parts compare.
amd's quick stream technology also looks cool, would like to see this
im totally getting a trinity mobile part and see what OC potential it has, since llano mobile parts OC'd quite well, should be interesting.
glad that hybrid crossfire now supports DX9 and also would be interested in AMD's new ENDURO system and how it works/compares (suppose to be just like Nvidia's Optimus)
just waiting for the retail trinity laptops to start appearing!!!
I think the graphic part of trinity isn't performing that well considering Intel's part is that they are simply underclocking it. The power savings has to come from somewhere and with AMD still on 32nm, I think it is graphics clocks. The biggest difference between battery consumptions seems to be during gaming compared to IB, and although the performance isn't leagues better, it consumes less power.
But then again, at least on desktop, Ivy Bridge uses about the same amount of power as 32nm Sandy Bridge with ~5% performance benefit at stock. (I haven't looked at mobile power consumption)
The ivy review platform everyones using is a 45w tdp cpu, so its going to boost higher than its 35w counterparts. (theoretical 1.25GHz vs 1.1GHz
Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
Even if trinity scales better with resolution, it doesn't matter to much because at higher resolution in these titles they most probably will both became unplayable, trinity and IB. Also trinity is much more sensitive to memory speed then HD4000 and the laptop provided by AMD for review was equipped with DDR-1600. I know that prices for mobile DDR-1600 modules are not that high, but I'm pretty much sure that most of trinity laptops will go with DDR-1333.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
That's not true. In fact one German site did deeper testing of HD4000 and found that HD4000 has better AF quality then Llano, and better tessellation implementation.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
http://translate.google.com/translat...nd-2500%2F4%2F
trinity is not as fast as intel + nvidia. trinity is not as low power as intel. there is a thin band of application for what amd is offering. it is big enough for them to empty their supply and do well.
i forgot how intel this forum is, thx for reminding me..Quote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
From your link.Quote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
Ivy
http://www.computerbase.de/bildstrecke/40725/46/
Llano
http://www.computerbase.de/bildstrecke/40725/49/
GF110
http://www.computerbase.de/bildstrecke/40725/52/
Another one for Skyrim. Again, Ivy got the weird looks, Llano and GF110 is practically the same.
Ivy
http://pics.computerbase.de/4/0/7/2/5/35.jpg
Llano
http://pics.computerbase.de/4/0/7/2/5/24.jpg
GF110
http://pics.computerbase.de/4/0/7/2/5/21.jpg
Came from your link too. http://translate.google.com/translat...nd-2500%2F4%2F
I never realised how shockingly bad Ivy actually is! going through those pics, you would think reviewers would be telling the world more about the awful image quality of the Ivy chips.
stop troll and flame guys! We can read review, but not flame about e-penis. Simply, A6-46xxM is the highest model of Trinity now with TDP35W. So, real battery life looks good. We will se some 25W and 17W version too (of course not A10 models)
....wow i am surprised this thread has not been crapped on more? usually if amd gets a win (no matter how small), some forum members come along, unzip and pull down their pants, and :banana::banana::banana::banana: diarrhea style all over the place.
What suprises me is that only the graphics performance of the APU is being benchmarked , while AMD has this new thing going on where the APU gets teamed up with an onboard discrete graphic card (sort of like a hybrid crossfire) .
I saw tests of that before the launch , but now ... none ??
So looks like I'll finally be able to buy a competitive CPU from AMD, the wait has been far too long but I'm glad intel has a little competition now :up:
This. Almost all the Llano laptops (maybe ALL) that I've seen had a discrete card coming with it so there's always hybrid crossfire. It really helps in giving playable framerates in games.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimInalA
Since i need overclockable iGPU i had almost settled on "3570k with ASUS P8Z68-M PRO" but the May release of trinity kept me back. Sadly the desktop has still not been outed and my 24/7 system is far from being started.
I am very interested in the A10 5800k because of the longevity that will come with FM2 compared to the EOL of the LGA1155 and the fact that the combo may be cheaper and sport better graphics. Laptop trinity < Desktop trinity in GPU matters whereas IVB Mobile = IVB Desktop in GPU matters.
there are plenty of llano laptops without a dGPU, also hybrid CF doesn't work well in many cases... and now the CF is between different gen of AMD gpus (7600 discrete = VLIW5, APU VLIW4), but I guess the main reason for it not being present in many reviews is simple, AMD sent mostly notebooks without a dGPU to be reviewed...Quote:
Originally Posted by blindbox
this reviews shows some hybrid CF action, but unfortunately they had the 256sps APU version and not the full 384.
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/n...0m-trinity/17/
Dualcore SB parts are also classified as 35W, and beat the 25W amd part... I think by now it would be clear how amd and intel classified there TDP, that is determined by SKU and not actual consumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Also I like how everyone blames ivybrdige for the bad power cosumption, when its actually the platform (the asus N56V). Someone tested actual power consumption without monitor:
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http://www.notebookcheck.com/Trinity...U.74604.0.html (its german so use a translator if needed)
While under worse case gaming scenario (furmark) the HD4000 consumes more then the APU on the A10, in actual games they are somewhat comparable and not much worse then the HD3000. The APU still takes the crown in fps delivered, but no one disputed or was even surprised by that.
Also why are we again focusing only on gaming with battery? I don't see whats the point of that, even the A10 can barely get more then 1:30 out under load... What really counts is reading/surfing/light office work/dvd/streaming. And trinity did a good job there catching up with the intel based books and even beating them depending on what configuration they run.
Here's the English version, a bit shorter tho.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Trinity...U.74852.0.html
Because AMD's Trinity test system didn't ship with a discrete graphics chip. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimInalA
lol it turned HL2 into HL1, sounds more like a mod rather than a bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by blindbox
the chart shows some very odd infoQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
the A10 has WORSE power consumption in fifa than it does with furmark. although all results come out to right around a similar cluster between 40 and 50w
and the ivy has a spread from 40 to 70w. that looks really bad to me. basically they have a really poorly optimized gpu, and for their cpu to do any real work it over draws the platform by an insane margin. i wouldnt call the n56v the problem when the cpu can go way past its specs.
nothing strange with that since ati and nvidia uses a driver profile for furmark to artificial limit the power consumption, this dates back to when people managed to blow out the VRMs of the HD4870 with furmark, nowadays not even renaming works anymore to bypass this thanks to the dedicated hardware on the gpus... if you want you can check google for that.
Intel on the other hand runs it without any profile (would be surprised if you will find one in upcoming versions of the driver) and furmark runs full speed there.
Hybrid graphics now support dx9. Awesome!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Small correction, AMD used driver profile for Furmark up to HD69xx where they introduced PowerTune. Now it's back to hardware power controller in AMD camp for HD69xx HD77xx+ and Trinity.
Unigine Heaven 2.1 19% faster to HD4000
Cinebench R11.5 - OpenGL 64Bit 19% faster to HD4000
Diablo III med 34% faster than HD4000
Risen 2: Dark Waters low 20% faster than HD4000
Alan Wake low 45% faster to HD4000
Anno 2070 med 22% faster to HD4000
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim med 36% faster than HD4000
CoD: Modern Warfare 3 high 48 faster to HD4000
Battlefield 3 low 20% faster to HD4000
More here http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Rad...G.69830.0.html
Overall its much faster than the HD4000 and it certainly has much more potential but there might be bandwidth problems and optimization problems. The Intel iGPU is fairly less complicated than what AMD has done. Dont have time to go into the specifics but AMD's design is meant for the future evolution while Intel will need a substantial change that is coming with Haswell.
Also like me if anyone was interested in Haswell vs Trinity GPU matchup its gonna be pretty gruesome, i am planning to buy a A10 5800K asap and compare it to the Haswell ES while the ES is clocked at a modest speed the GPU is unlocked and i can compare them at different speeds.
I think the A10 on desktop will be fully unlocked,ie. both CPU and GPU can be OCed by multiplier alone.
That is the reason why i choose the A10 5800k i can compare both Trinity and Haswell at Max iGPU speeds but there is a bit of a confusion about which iGPU the Haswell is carrying since the card says its a GT2 but the performance is some tests is almost double of the HD4000.
Non the less will test them out when the AMD HW is available here. With Haswell we are having major problems with RC6 among other things but overclocking seems to be a strong point for the processor.
Yes but i'm asking myself , why ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Before the launch there was so much talk about this feature .
In notebooks and particularly the area Trinity is focused upon, power consumption is key. Adding another chip to the Trinity "genericbooks" sent to certain sites would have lowered battery life, resulting in a poor comparison to Intel's chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimInalA
Also don't forget that Dual Graphics technology has been around since Llano. :)
Don't forget that by the time Haswell launches AMD will be having SR core out(~1 year from now,roughly). So comparison will be valid for present time but not for future time :). SR will have 512GCN cores running at comparable(or higher clocks) than Trinity today. This coupled with increased efficiency of GCN vs VLIW4 should amount to ~50% better GPU performance. Now memory BW constrictions may apply and it may not reach ~50% figure but this is pretty probable result.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
In light of recent leaks about Haswell and "memory BW restrictions", I would say we know nothing for sure yet. AMD might be very well doing something big for Kaveri, just like Intel is doing for Haswell.
That is indeed true.We must remember they are preparing their products for broader GPGPU support in coming years and in order to tap into this potential, memory BW is very important.
how is working exactly Turbo behind Cinebench R10 with A10-4600M single and multi? Did someone tested it (clocks jumping on stay at some value (2400MHz in multi and most time example at 2800 MHz in single?)?)
I see a 15% difference in the madshrimps review, techreport review, about the same in the anandtech review. Remind me to never look at http://media.bestofmicro.com/B/A/334...ge%20power.png ever again though :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Maybe we're not looking at the same figures. I'm talking about the 3770K.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Madshrimps: 22%
Techreport: only 17%, but that's the slower 2600K
Anandtech: 21%, also 2600K
Yeah, I was looking at overclocked figures. (D'oh!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Anyway, thanks for clarifying things. :)
NP ;)
IB surely has potential. I'd like to see solder + new revision, but by that time Haswell is just around the corner..
(yeahyeah, there's always something new around the corner..)
Virgo (DT Trinity) will be a monster, no doubt :)
Sumo GPU inside Llano was a monstrous overclocker (most GPUs in 3870K do 50%+ overclocks 24/7), but the performance was always held back by a rather slow NCLK domain and memory bandwidth.
In Piledriver the frequency of NCLK domain is tied to DRAM frequency with ratio of 1.25:1 (minimum).
This means the NCLK in FM2 Trinity chips must be atleast 1333MHz to match the highest officially supported DRAM frequency (DDR-2133).
The maximum officially supported NCLK frequency on Llano was 900MHz, yet this was rarely used since the memory compability was rather poor at high NCLK frequencies.
Piledriver unofficially supports DDR-2400 DRAM frequency (up to motherboard vendors if it is available or not), just like Bulldozer.
It is highly unlikely the GPU performance is held back by DRAM or NCLK on Trinity any longer.
The Devastator (excellent choice of a name btw :D) GPU inside Trinity will most likely have a couple extra MHz to spare too.
If the Devastator GPU has even a part of the overclocking capabilities of Sumo GPU we will see 1GHz+ GPU (SCLK) clocks available for daily use on Trinity.
If Virgo platform can reach ~4.5GHz core frequencies, IPC is even marginally higher compared to Gen1 BD and the leakage (power draw) is slightly in better shape... AMD has unleashed the hell.
Already pre-ordered mine!
;)
^^ Every time you say Devastator I think back of the Blood Ravens Space Marines.
How are you? :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
Francois Piednoel
Wha, you can say that out loud?Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
Still, it's 1 year away anyway.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
What do u think about Vishera? I think, this CPU could have better IMC than Zambezi, so maybe 2600 MHz memory support. Im really interesting for pure performance of this refresh (5% clock to clock?)
Francois: ...one Trinity here do not destroy your market share :D. But in my eyes is Trinity really nice product for lowend and mainstream notebooks. Finally good partial competition product.
Piledriver supports DDR-2400 max.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
On Vishera NCLK & MEMCLK are irrelevant, Zambezi already offers more bandwidth it can spend.
Improved manufacturing process (less leakage -> higher clocks) and slight improvement in IPC would do wonders.
Also I would not be suprised if we would see more than four CUs in a single node.
Review of a "real" notebook (not AMD prototype) with A8-4500 & dual graphics:
http://translate.google.ca/translate...%3Ft%3D1061293
Thanks for the link !Quote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
Now at least we know WHY amd has shipped it's prototype laptop without dual graphics . It's a major fail :(
Drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimInalA
Any idea when we will see retail trinity for desktop?No signs of FM2 boards,nothing yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
Probably August...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex-Ro
I cant believe the FPS in those reviews... Gaming laptops for the masses who woulda thunk!
In a decade or so we have went from,
Gaming on a laptop? Hahaha rofl
to, Oooh for $3000 dollars i to could game on a laptop to
and then AMD (a company with vision) comes along and releases Trinity. (llano was pretty dam nice to) <<even got Intel to go change course.
The amount of power Trinity wields for the money is simply amazing.
Can you say overclocked gaming overdrive profile?
Good stuff. Game on!
there is something wrong, at 100%. Maybe big fail from Computerbase or bad sample of notebook. No, really no, this is not retail piece of notebook, but sample. And notebooks samples are sometimes.. :-) From this one bad review I do not change my focus at product. We need more reviews, users experience. Trinity can not be worse in games than Llano notebook, really not.
These things good enough to run 1080p/i/720 upscaling 60fps Madvr/LAV/high settings without dropping frames?
It was said to be sometime between August and November, many estimates are closer to November. This launch of Piledriver has always been just the mobile variants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex-Ro
Of course it's wrong - singe channel memory ...Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
I heard it's a bit earlier :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by EniGmA1987
I don't see why the current crop can't be marketed as value for customers. They are tremendous value for customers!Quote:
Originally Posted by JayCop
The CPU/IGPU's are great but the mATX motherboard selection is horrendous right now compared to 1155 boards. I don't mind paying a little more for a MB as long as it has the features that I want.Quote:
Originally Posted by saveus222
What features are you missing exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by JayCop
I hadn't found a board with good cpu power control before but Asus has a model F1A75-M PRO that I just found that looks pretty solid. I would also prefer the option for real crossfire down the line but for this platform I guess not having it is a fair trade off for the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
I hope A10-5800K gives us finally 5Ghz stable on air OCs. This would be an awesome budges APU chip. Since most tasks on desktop are still serial in nature it should be even faster than FX 8150 ,except in those massively MT workloads like handbrake and similar. But now with Opencl support,even those apps are getting very good boosts from iGPU,so I suppose A10-5800K may even hold its own in several OpenCL supporting workloads versus FX8xxx series. Fun times ahead.
It would be cool if one of the gaming laptop makers like Alienware or ibuypower picked up the trinity APU for a sick little machine ;)
How bout with a discrete 7970m with Amd's new enduro switching ;) hehe
Read the review, or better the additional comments in the forum thread. They said its what 4 out of 5 sub 500€ notebooks will be equipped like. While I can't verify this if you look at price compare sites like geizhals (for EU) you see some truth in there. Many of the Llano books only come with one 4gb module, mainly because there is also often a version with 8gb, and they just remove one from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
http://geizhals.at/?cat=nb&xf=2379_1...AMD+E2-#xf_top
Just look at the tab: Anzahl Speichermodule (mean number of memory modules), there you see how many have 1 and how many have 2.
Out of 102 books there are only 15 that offer dual-channel configuration.
If AMD doesn't enforces somehow that all trinity books will be sold with dual channel at least, you will find a pretty similar distribution of this... so this test has indeed some validity as the majority of books sold will be exactly like that... gimped to the max...
Personally I think its also retarded to sell such gimped books, but OEM seems to know better...
I agree, unless the folks are slightly techie and look for this specifically they will be getting gimped performance out the gate without a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Then to top it off generally the cost to upgrade the memory from the oem is ridiculous, cheaper to go 3rd party for twice the memory as an oem upgrade allot of times.
Sure, but often you loose the warranty of your book when you "open" it... I guess not many people want to lose there warranty to upgrade a mem stick for 20$...
^that cant be true. ive never seen a laptop that blocked off the HDD or ram slot
Its not about accessibility, but that they simply say they don't take in a modified book, or charge you the full service fee, despite having and extended warranty. So happened to me a few years ago with an acer book and ever since then they can suck my ****.
I dont know if all support and warranty work the same, but you can open a laptop ( even just for check all is fine or clean the dust ), if you have add a ram, just remove it before send the laptop for RMA .
I thought people were calling fail at A8-4500 chip because it had such a poor performance (comparatively) so pointed out why. Besides test itself pitted it against mostly DC laptops which I think is not objective. Usually manufacturer sending units to reviewers tries to look in best possible light and therefore configures laptops with all extras giving maximum performance for given price point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Other than that I'm completely aware how computer market operates and how greedy or silly OEM can be. Just last week I've installed some HP Touchsmart 7320 All-in-one which were delivered in single channel configurations :/
So, all laptops in that test had single channel of memory installed?
How many laptops sold with only one memory slot populated?
Its the other way round, the amd sample was top of the line, best cpu, ssd, etc. while most of normal books come with slower cpus, SC memory etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEA
Then you take out your modification? All of the laptops I've been in contact with have pleasant little doors on the bottom, usually even with indications on what is behind, and a single screw. You take out the screw and viola, you can remove/add HDD, ram, wireless NIC...there is no "Warranty void if removed" sticker either...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331