I'm looking for a kit for a new x79 build. I want something that scales well with voltage. Is this the kit I'm looking for? (Elite 1866 9-9-9-27)
Or is there something better.
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I'm looking for a kit for a new x79 build. I want something that scales well with voltage. Is this the kit I'm looking for? (Elite 1866 9-9-9-27)
Or is there something better.
for 4GB sticks I think so. Haven't really seen anything around here that can do better.... The Crucial rep at PDXLAN last weekend said the stuff is flying off their shelves and are having a hard time keeping stock...Quote:
Originally Posted by meanmoe
Yes, noticed there's currently no stock for the 1866 Ballistix at the ebay places I'm able to buy.
Wish I had bought 2 kits when the price was good.
PM'd you.Quote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
the samsung rock on X79 check OC nubs resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by meanmoe
for P67 patriots 2000 9-11-9-27 they do @ 2133 9-11-9-27 1T on 16GB 1,65V easy
or Mushkins Redline Ridgeback HS 2133 9-10-11-27 1,65V
crucials im about to test 16GB, but FedericoUY tested on MIVE and seem to run awesome
cheers !
Sergio
I lend my kit (that couldn't run at 2133/9-9-9 on my P8P67 Pro + 2600K) to a friend and he could do 2133/9-9-9 on his AMD FX easily.
What did I miss? :(
I could do 2133/9-11-9-27 with Mushkin 996997 at 1.60v
Hi, can you show a MemTweakIt screen to check some secondary and other timings (@2133 if you can boot 9-9-9 or at the speed you can boot them)? Maybe your board sets a value that's too low or wrong. Please do it and I'll compare with my values. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
EDIT: btw I thought I had a stable config same as yours ( 2133/9-11-9-27 @ 1.6v with Mushkins '996997', but had to bump them to 1.65v to get memtest stable ;) )
Wish someone would try the 8gb sticks. Same specs as the 4gb...
So do I, but they are so expensive @ $140 a stick...Quote:
Originally Posted by PiLsY
Yeah I know Im not gonna be the first to try either :lol:. Im holding off on getting these until someone trys the 8gb sticks though...
I don't have the kit with me right now. I will report back once I get it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
BTW my Mushkin 996997 is memtest stable at 2133/9-11-9-27 1.60v :)
Isnt that basically stock with a tiny bit less voltage?Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
Crucial finally got the 1866 set in stock yesterday, and got my kit overnighted to me. Have an 8120 and Sabertooth now to try them out in.
Im up to 2200Mhz 9-9-9-27-2T with 1.6Vdimm so far.
2000Mhz 8-8-8-24-2T and 2200Mhz 9-9-9-27-2t 1.65V stable.
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They are performing flawless on AMD systems. Congratuations Cecil, nice speeds there. Enjoy!.
@Cecil
2200 CL9-9-9 out of 8GB sticks is about as good as it can get... Any chance of running say, 2133 1T?
4.6 GHz at 1.36v is really impressive too, most chips need around 1.4v
Do you mean 8GB dimms, or 8GB kits? I saw Crucial also has 8GB dimms, but I dont have those.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I havent done any 1T testing, as the higher OC you get from 2T always ends up faster.
Im stable up to 4650Mhz 1.356V under load. Havent been able to get 4.7 to pass though. Too much voltage (1.4V) will result in a complete crash as soon as Prime starts. 1.38V will run prime a few passes before cores start dropping out. And 1.362V will run prime for a little while before dropping cores. 1.356V BSODs from not enough voltage. CPU/NB doesnt seem to help either.
I meant 8GB kit, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
As far as your stability on the 8120 goes it probably comes down to cooling. Without water people seem to hit a heat wall and drop cores pretty quick.
You need a considerable OC imo to make 2T faster. Most DDR3 of course can run 1T as far as you want so that's why I asked. I know this kit seems to struggle with 1T at higher frequencies...
I have an H100 for cooling, and at 4600 Im at 59C load CPU temp, not core temp. I thought about throwing together a real loop, but the money and hassle isnt worth the 100-200Mhz daily.
Ill give 1T a try. Before when I tested, I always found no or little difference between 1T and 2T or even 3T on the boards that had it.
Only thing Ive been able to do so far is test down to 1.6375V instead of 1.65V at 2200 9-9-9 stable. Also on a side note, got my CPU/NB down to 1.25v so far. Vcore wouldnt go under 1.35V for 4.6 though.
2340Mhz 9-9-9 (not stable)
Attachment 124370
2000Mhz 8-8-8 is 1t usable, and is faster then any speed I got with 9-9-9. Also, tRC at 47 (stable SPD rating) was faster then tRC at 40 (mobo's auto setting).
2000Mhz 8-8-8-24-1t tRC 47
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2000Mhz 8-8-8-24-2t tRC 47
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2000Mhz 8-8-8-24-1t tRC 40
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Since i couldn't find a second kit anywhere similar to the one i have i decided to upgrade the memory to something totally different .
Ordered 4x4gb of these 1.5v crucial ballistics today .
Once I get them they will have to take it up against my 2x2gb kingston hyperx @ 1600mhz cas6 1.9V .
All this on thuban and CHIV formula .
http://www.skybed.be/temp/memory/kingston_cas6.jpg
http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uplo...-Rage-Face.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
I was able to get a heatspreader off and make a picture of the chips :
http://www.skybed.be/temp/memory/Ballistix_1.jpg
http://www.skybed.be/temp/memory/Ballistix_2.jpg
http://www.skybed.be/temp/memory/Ballistix_3.jpg
http://www.skybed.be/temp/memory/Ballistix_4.jpg
Looks like it says D9PFJ, or is it FFJ?
Cecil great results i have my 16GB on the way
cheers !
Serg
I have no use for my 2x4gb 1866 kit I'm sticking to the Sammys.
I'll be posting a FS in a day or so...
It is D9PFJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
I just received a couple of kits of this stuff from the egg today.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148477
I decided to try to play the value ram game and see what ICs they were sporting...received D9PFJ on both kits.
Phone was used for the pic, so quality is, well, lacking, but you can make it out.
I will not be able to test them for a couple of days, but will post as soon as I can.
They are probably in stock at places like MC or CompUSA and you can see the ICs thru the front of the package. They are the Low Voltage (1.35v) variant with CL11.
Maybe like the Samsung low profile sticks, these will also be gems in the rough.
If I wasnt so addicted to the blinky tracers, Id probably pick them up lol. I want to get another set, but its like $90 for the smart tracer 1866 kit from Crucial.
They're not listed on the crucial UK site yet, only the old 1.5v version. Wonder if theyll release these in 8gb sticks as a cheaper option to the Ballistix kit?
It'd be good to know if the Ballistix 12800 8-8-8-24 kits are the same generation chips as well. The 8gb x 2 c8 1600mhz kit is considerably cheaper than the c9 1866mhz kit.
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/2286583.png
Almost 2400Mhz validation.
Nice ram there Cecil:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
They dont like CR=1T,need to run them at 2T indeed .Quote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
They also dont like cas 6 (not 666,676,767,776,... lowest is 777)
tRFC lower than 160 only possible when running below 1800mhz .
My experience is with 4x4gb sticks only . clocking 4 sticks is harder than i thought , i have to tell you that ...
sticks run very cool though . at 2000mhzrunning memtest they get only 44 degr C .
I have one stick which has a cooling plate removed on one side and the chips are all cool .
Does someone know how i can know which pair ofmemory belongs together ? I scrambled the kits while installing them . :)
I'm still busy trying to find the fastest combination of settings for my system . But so far it looks like its not going to be 2200mhz with slow timings , but 1600mhz with tight timings . This was also the fastest with my elpidia hyper sticks .
Maybe intel prefers higher megahurtz , but amd/thuban doesnt .
With two sticks, I was able to get 1T up to 2000Mhz 8-8-8-24.
Memtest stable? What voltage did you use?
From my testing it was *kinda* stable at 1960 same settings and voltage (1.65V), but 1T.
Every 1MHz HTRef up, required one step higher voltage. So, for 2000 1T I'd need around 1.72V or higher.
Can run 2000 8-8-8-24 1T 1.65V, but it's not memtest stable.
I spent a couple hours running different 3dmarks, pcmarks, heaven, and a Spi1m at 2088Mhz 8-8-8-24-47-1T with 1.675Vdimm, and can do 2000 8-8-8-24-47-1T with 1.65V no problem. I havent had time for Prime or Spi32m yet though. Im going to re-do my daily OC to be around 2000 ish so I can be at 8-8-8 and 1T instead of 2200 9-9-9 and 2T.Quote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
@Cecil - Nice results.
Your CPU is extremely strong as well. In fact I wouldn't mind buying it off of you for subzero benching whenever/if you decide to let it go. ;D
Ill probably be selling it once ivy comes out. Depends on the pricing of ivy though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
These turn out to be the fastest settings for my system (Asus CHIV , Thuban X6 1090T , 4x4gb crucial ballistics) .
1600mhz 7-7-7-15-22 @1.55V Stability :
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1600mhz 7-7-7-15-22 @ 1.55V bench overview :
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Notice he is running tRC = 47 , while the highest tRC on our board is 41 .. maybe this is improving 1T stability for him .Quote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
I can run even with 4 sticks 2200mhz , or 2133mhz spi32 , but fire up prime or memtest and it will fail soon .
So whatever you call stability of course ;)
Hey mate. Why is my AIDA write bandwitdh ~9200 @Windows just started but then it drops to ~7500-8000 after playing Battlefield 3? Do you know why?
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimInalA
1: memory heatQuote:
Originally Posted by Punisher!
2: cpu/bios/mobo/aida BUG
1: impossibile, seeing that if I reboot it returns immediately to ~9200.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
2: meh!
Always run that bench after a fresh boot . Once the memory has been used it seems the numbers drop a lot .
Just got the 8GB Tactical Tracer 1600 CL8 1.5v kit today. I think it has the same chip as the Tactical Elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
I managed to get in to Windows at 2133 but got errors in Memtest right after hitting start testing button. Here's the MemTweakIt at 2133. Only primary timings are adjusted. The rest are on Auto. Voltage is set at 1.65v
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4914/dsc1219y.jpg
Looks like these Crucials just don't get along with Asus P67 very well. :(
Is it known the reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimInalA
your tWR (write recovery time) is very tight , try losening that to 12 .Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
@ Punisher : i don't know the reason for that no .
Really good RAM. Running 3 kits 1866 Ballastix Tracer on my X58A-UD7 @ 1600 7-7-7-24 1,58v.
1866 @ 8-8-8-24 seems to be difficult though.
Still getting errors tWR=12. Could this be motherboard-related issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimInalA
to run 2133 i had to start adjusting my drivestrengths .
Have you tried anything there ?
Try to set for example :
DQ = 1.0x
DQS = 1.0x
something is definately wrong there:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
http://i40.tinypic.com/dy1x0g.png
my sammys at 2250 11-11-11 do about the same, so maybe timmings doesn't matter too much as before or maybe imc still not efficient
@Barrel
100 MHz CPUNB speed and faster RAM speed/timings (works better with BD)
He just has really bad efficiency
in thuban he would probably beat itQuote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I dont do any tweeks or wazza or any of that crap. I just run it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
I don't think Barrel Rider does those either... :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
I only do if I'm benching for HWBOT.org or some kind of competition.
Oh, I figured thats what you guys were talking about. There wasnt much of a time difference, and there was a big difference in memory speed. Seems more speed is better for 32m, while tighter timings for 1m.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Also, what board was that with? Im using a Sabertooth, which is more of a "stable" line of boards, so Im guessing they relax the secondary timings some on it compared to the CHV or some of the Gig boards.
Trying to decide if its worth sending my RipjawsX 1600 6-8-6 kit back to newegg and trying out a 2x2 kit of these.
These are 4GB modules.... so you should perhaps decide better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
Ahem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148559
@Cecil
I bet they will do better than the RipjawsX. My RipjawsX kit was a little disappointing, I needed over 1.6v to run 1600 6-8-6 on an 1100T. 2000 7-10-7 needed 1.7v on that CPU. My Pi kit tore it apart, 2000 6-10-6 and 32M 6-9-6 on 1100T. I want to pick up a pair of them too. If the 2GB density modules/ICs can do 2000 C8-8-8-xx 1T (or better) I'd be happy. The price is dirt cheap. In 2010, Elpida Hyper were still $100-150 per 2GB D:
I've been doing an increasing amount of work in Photoshop and Hugin lately though, stitching and working with ~60MP images and may need to move to 8GB ram soon :(
Im trying to decide if A, I go with a 2x2kit and end up with another soon for 4x2, or if I should just pay now for another 2x4 kit. And B, if I pay the premium on Crucial's website for more smart tracers.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Definitely go 2 x 4gb:
1) Its much easier on the memory controller to run one good pair than two good pairs.
2) If your board has one pair of slots that clock worse than the other pair you can find yourself losing a massive amount of speed.
3) 8 chip sticks are inherently slower than 16 chip sticks. Id make sure theyre double sided, but then if theyre double sided there's no guarantee theyre the same chips as the 2x4gb kits.
All things conisdered sticking to 4gb sticks is the safest option.
I agree with 1 / 2, but the 2GB sticks are also double sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by PiLsY
So, are these mem. 30 or 40nm?
30nm
got the mem today
got them stable at 5GHz HT @ 1,435 with 2133 9-9-9-27 1T @ 1,65 and have to tweak VTT +VCCSA
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/286...33999271t1.jpg
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/7786/ballistix.jpg
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6876/p1120539z.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6584/p1120488h.jpg
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Ordered another 8gb kit of the Smart Tracer OBs for my HTPC, and a set of the non tracer 2x2GB for benching ram. I have a friend with Hypers if I ever need them, but mostly its just for video card benching with a 2500K, so these should do fine at 2k 888 or 2.2k 999. Maybe the 2x2GB kit will do better and give Hypers a run for their money?
The second kit won't boot I get 2E I tried all and my first which seems the better passes hyperpi which is 8 instances of spi32 and when I shoot mem test on windows I get all kinda errors :(
Btw bios 2302 didn't try on 2105
I got mine stable at 2133 9-9-9-27-2T with tRC at 47 on a Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H with a 2500K at stock. Used 1.625Vdimm, and QPI/VTT at 1.125V. Havent gotten to try less voltage yet, just put it together. Use LinX with all ram tested for stability tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
Screeny on Z68. Ill run a full test when I get the voltages as low as I can. Going to put the CPU under water tomorrow.
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Cecil where u changed tRC ??? or theres another name for it ??? i cant find it on my MIVEQuote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
thanks
Sergio
My board has it, some ASUS Intel ones dont I guess. Unless they call it something else. Maybe ask over at the ROG forums?Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
no luck i can pass hyperpi as shown but memtest windows fails in seconds...
tried all thanks FedericoUY for the help
bad luck this time :(
im sure that if you memtest on win with that config will fail CecilQuote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
Are you still using 1T? Go to 2T, or even 3T.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
LinX is better then memtest.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
I'm really gonna call you out on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
That simply isn't true.
LinX vs HCI Memtest, Linpack is the easier of the two to pass.
Never heard of HCI Memtest.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Ive only ever used memtest86 in Windows, using multiple instances of 700-800MB untill ram is around 95%+ filled. LinX with AVX would stress the IMC and ram even more (with memtest going, I could still browse the web and do whatever, with LinX AVX with all ram tested, cant do anything else, and the CPU gets hotter with it then anything else (Prime95 64bit with custom ram usage, OCCT, IBT, etc...).
AMD is different though. LinX doesnt do much there.
http://hcidesign.com/memtest/ to 400-800% coverageQuote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
Or is this already the memtest you are talking about? O.o
On any machine I've used memtest on, the machine becomes totally unusable, it even takes ~10 minutes or so just to stop the tests.
Yup, thats what Ive used. If I go over the amount of free ram available, then it takes a while for it to respond or do anything as windows either starts using the pagefile on the HDD, or tries to close background stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Either way, Ive found for SNB, if it passes an hour of LinX with AVX, I never have stability issues with anything else. It also gets the CPU hotter then anything I can find. Plus 90% of the time, if its going to fail or error, it would do so in the first couple of passes.
beep mines pass hyper pi 32M 8 instances of SPI32 no problem and that memtest you linked errors in seconds...and yes takes long to stop it same as hyperpiQuote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
dunno what its wrong with this mem but for sure its picky with SB or MIVE
Did you try 2T yet? 2133 9-9-9-27 2T should be no problem at 1.65V or less. Probably closer to 1.6.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
2T is effective in AMD based systems, you may gain some stability there, in SB setups, what works 2T will probably work @ 1T also...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
yes i agree FedericoQuote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
Ive gotten much further with 2T or 3T with PSCs on all Intel systems with an IMC.
My new 2x4GB kit doesnt do as well. Seems like it doesnt respond to voltage as well. Itll do 2000 9-9-9 @ 1.6V, but not 2100 at 1.65V.
picky mem very picky i dont like this i sold one kit working on the MIVE would do nicely 1866 CL8 at 1,55 to a friend and they dont even boot crap this :down:
the samsungs do 2133 9-10-10-28 1T at 1,5 see the thread i posted there
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Even my kit thats not as good is still capable of better over all speed/timings then the Samsungs. The Samsungs are just better at lower voltage and higher speed. Its a lot like BH-5 and TCCD from DDR days. For a daily setup TCCD was good, but benching purposes and overall performance BH-5 was best.
The 2x2GB set is single sided ram. I am testing them now at 2000 8-8-8 1.65V with memtest and seem to be fine.
Anyone tried it with Asus Z77 mobo?
I love this ram, it's perfect for 24/7.
Tactical 1866@1600 7-7-7-21 1T 1.5V (real voltage, measured with DMM), other timings at "Auto".
Could not consider it as a full-stable test, but it's taking too much time and I'm not aiming at 1600 for daily usage.
However it's indicative enough for some basic stability. If it fails, one step up for VDIMM should fix it.
2500K + MIVG-Z
http://i.imgur.com/ym2cWs.jpg
Running 2133 9-9-9-24 1T at the moment, seems 1.595 could do it.
For daily Im running 2080Mhz 9-9-9-27 1.6V so far, slowly lowering voltage as I have time. Ive managed to optimise the CPU to 4530Mhz, 1.32Vcore, 1.2CPU/NB.
Gonna try out these sticks^^
Got a kit of BLT2CP4G3D1869DT2TXOBCEU
Considering I came from DDR2 I am impressed. Currently got them running at 1600 8-8-8-20 at 1.55 BIOS.
Also im am on an AMD platform so I might be a bit different in terms of ability. Surprised the Sabertooth 990FX has no 1866 divider :(
Still no luck with 1600 C8 1.5 Tactical Tracer and 1866 C9 Tactical Elite on Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe. errors in memtest at 2133.
Well i am now at 1600 7-7-7-21 at 1.55 with 3Ghz NB at 1.3. May have to try and get more out of this.
2000 8-8-8-24 1.65V with Thuban and 1800 7-7-7-21 1.65V with Deneb is doable.
Time for some testing once I install the new SSD install OS etc.. :)
These sticks were dirt cheap
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...02245809_n.jpg
Very interested in the 1600mhz kit you have there - as you said dirt cheap. What board will you be running them on?
At first GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3, but ASRock Z77 soon