Any plans for a HD7970 heatsink? :)
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Any plans for a HD7970 heatsink? :)
In development.. :)
Personally, I would prefer a standard black background, white text LCD display. :shrug:
Hmmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
stephen: imho it's worth to include in set of 7970 heatsink some thin copper adapter plate like EK's, as otherwise universal block might not make contact with chip.
Hi guys, I released the X2 housing just now, but sorry, I didn't get the drawing in time. Hopefully can update the page with it later.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
LINK TO PRODUCT PAGE
Warranty void update:Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
The void warranty policy has been lifted (with restrictions) for the MCP35X and MCP35X2 housings.
See exact language on product page, but restrictions (leaks) reflect our concern for ppl not installing the product correctly, or for some product defects or other damage (shipping etc..) that we normally catch when we leak test the ourselves; it remains the responsibility of the user to carefully inspect the device prior to installation.
Gabe, can you please fine tune the ETA (like early or late <insert month here>) on the 140mm rads?
^^^^^^^ that guy
What is better than a 35X...two married together..:)
I do like the looks of the dual top and that PQ curve is pretty nuts as you would expect..
Great work gabe!Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Will you update the bundle options aswell? For example to add 2 pumps + top to get a better price overall?
Asking because I need to buy pumps also
What about EU availability? Can we expect retailers to have this top within a week? (EU)
Waiting for the drawings... :)
The package with 2x 35X will be on the website shortly.
How short?Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
And about europe availability? :-) sorry to keep aksing but have a build waiting for some pumps and tops ;-)
end of Q1 early q2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Will start shipping to EU hopefully by end of next week. Check out bacata.net for updatesQuote:
Originally Posted by SoMBrA
Pump footprint now listed in specs of the MCP35X2
@Utnorris:
The MCP35X2 pump has now been released.
Thanks, trying to decide between all black or black and white. Hmmmm.
Thanks Gabe, I'm already doing some fitting tests :)
Will be checking at bacata :)
Hello Gabe. I have a couple questions.
I am building a dual loop build.
1. Does this new bay reservior require the dual pump top to function?
2. Can I use the outlets on both pumps to pump to both loops?
3. Does this reservoir have sufficient inlets to accept 2 different loops in?
4. How many bays does this reservoir take up with the pumps attached?
5. How many bays does it take up without the pumps attached?
6. How do the pumps attach?
Thank You.
Looking forward to the comp fittings. Would be great if they are close to XSPC's prices. ;)
1. No. Maelstrom can work either: by itself (no pump), with a MCP35X or a MCP35X2. It's also virtually compatible with other brand's tops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slave1974
2. No, MCP35X2 is strictly a serial pump setup, one pushing through the other. they can't be decoupled.
3. It would have enough inlets but not enough outlets.
4. two.
5. two also.
6. using the G1/4" inlet port of the pump and additional side screws.
On a side note, that was discussed before but a dual loop with a common reservoir isn't really a dual loop as there is heat exchange between the two loops. in other words the coolant temp of one loop is related to the other - most likely pretty close to each other. This kind of defeats the purpose of having 2 loops, IMHO. Why not go with a single loop?
stephen: imho common res parallelised pseudo two loops:
(+) probably tiny bit more flow vs two pumps in serial all@one loop (here i'm guessing/speculating from results of ill fated primochill typhoon);
(+) like with all serial one loop all rads work to cool hottest element with uneven/not full load;
(-) no extra pump redundancy;
(-) no thermal isolation of loop elements like in truly separate multi loops.
Is swiftech planing to make a pwm versions of the helix -120 fan ?
I may have too. I just wanted to have the two 5970's separate from the CPU loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
I already own a MCP 35X. I wan't going to buy a 35X2. Do I have to just buy that top and a second MCP35X to convert my one pump to a X2?
Yes you can buy the MCP35X2-"Housing" and use it with your one MCP35X you already have. The you will need another DDC (MCP350, 355, 35B, 35X...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slave1974
I may have missed it on the previous pages but what is the estimated release date for the Apogee™ Drive II? Very interested in it!
Q1 2012!
Thanks for taking the time to answer Gabe but that doesn't really help any because that was already stated by Stephen. I was hoping for something a little bit more defined, like "early March" or "late March". Any chance you could give an answer like this? :hrhr:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
as we get closer we should be able to be more precise :D
Just like Waterlogged, I was hoping for a more refined date but if it isn't available, it isn't available.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
I know this is OT,but I have not been long off the phone with Swiftech support. I was lucky enough to speak with Gabe. I must say "super nice guy".
You might see a 35X2 review coming very soon...:D
:yepp: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
the drawings have now been added..Quote:
Originally Posted by SoMBrA
http://www.swiftech.org/images/produ...nsionsx600.jpg
@waterlogged et All
140mm rad: I'd say very late March early April
So is there a performance hit for using the "Alternate" inlet? Also, how long are the pmw cables?
using only alternate: yes there is more Pressure Drop, because of the add'l 90D turn that the coolant has to make to reach the impeller inlet (just like in the stock 350/355 series). This is specified in the install guide btw to make sure users understand it. Not sure Stephen tested this config to provide exact numbers, but I'm sure Martin will be happy to report his test results ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
using both inlets: none obviously
cable length 233mm (http://www.swiftech.com/PWMsplittercable.aspx)
Gabe: are there any mounting screw holes in sides of top, or only ones in pump bases can be used?
Alternate inlet curve will be done as part of my review, no problem...:)
there are 2 holes on each side of the top. those are here to be used with Maelstrom (bay res). I'll post dimension for those tomorrow (a quick reminder if I forget - pretty busy these days :D )Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
There is the MCP35X2 Bay Adapter (ETA 3-4 weeks)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/757...x2bayadapt.jpg
Thanks for the drawings! :)
Need passive coolers for the new toy :D (or maybe active ;)
Nice bay adapter :)
Will there be a MCP35X2 compatible heatsink to cool both pumps?
stephen: are those bay adapters vibration dumpening of any sort?
Looking foward to see the new fans !
ETA?
We should be able to start shipping Helix120 fans at the end of February. :)
If possible I'd like to see an adaptor plate for Apogee XT or Apogee HD to convert it into a GPU cooler for compatible NVIDIA and ATI video cards.
Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
Thanks stephen, would be nice to see some numbers vs GTs
How's the ETA coming along for the full cover blocks on hd7970's?.....Seems stock for blocks from other brands are selling out so fast that getting 4 of them is like winning the lottery...:P
And yes that dual pump will be mine no matter what, just that i'd like to order everything in one shot.
We're expecting the production at the end of this month :)
Any feed back on my idea for making a bracket system to convert the Apogee XT or Apogee HD into a GPU block for GTX 580 / HD7970 ? I think it would only make your products more innovative and wanted by the masses.
The base of the XT and HD is pretty large and actually covers most of the mounting holes used on GPU.
The other thing is that the ports on these blocks are going straight out of the block and even if they're used with elbows it still is going to prevent from doing SLI.
The MCW82 (and other universal GPU blocks we made before that) are smaller and with built-in 90-degree ports.
It sounds like the production will be coming in at the end of this month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow0001
Thanks for you attention to my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
I still think it would be a good option that could benefit some people who don't want to run SLI/Xfire. I'm sure you could make one. It would consist of 1 lower plate that fits video card GPU mount holes that would have at least 8 holes for AMD or 10 holes for NVIDIA. First inner group of holes would be used to mount the plate to the video card then an outer 4 holes on the corners with a slight offset and slight distance from the video card would be used to mount a new designed Apogee XT plate. It would be a 3 plate kit. 1 lower plate for AMD cards, 1 lower plate for NVIDIA cards and 1 adaptor plate for the APogee XT/Apogee HD block.
I'd buy one of these for $15. Would make the Apogee XT/Apogee HD more versatile and valuable. Of course itwill not work for everyone but it will be great for many like me.
Wish you guys could make this.
It's something that was discussed internally before but there is a bunch of things that make Apogee XT or HD inappropriate for a GPU (I already mentioned some form factor issues but there is also the problem of a bowed block on a bare die... and that's definitely something to avoid).
Stephen
very interesting product line! Makes me tempted to do a full swiftech build :)
Is the backlight of the logo on the Apogee Drive II changeable?
Apogee Drive II comes with 3 different lighting's.
Sweet! I'll be getting 1 when they come out. Wonder if Microcenter will stock anyQuote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
Bowed block??? Is the Apogee XT block surface not perfectly flat?
So it wouldn't work for bare GPUs found on AMD cards but it could work for NVIDIA covered GPUs?
I imagine the flow rate might have an effect on performance. Apogee XT rev. 2 top should help with flow.
Many modern cpu waterblocks are bowed by design. They straighten up when mounted on CPUs with cpu mounting sys bringing lot of mounting pressure, and in process of it by such design bring out better thermal contact in middle. There been cases when user had lapped their block perfectly flat when unmounted with getting worse cooling as result (when mounted such block presses less at center where behind IHS cpu chip is, or even you get some concave in middle, with even worse thernal contact then with lacking pressure. IIRC this bad lapping case was with watercool HK3 blocks, but probably can be attributed to most modern blocks).
So do you think I would be safe with an NVIDIA style GPU? If I build a proper mounting system for the Apogee XT?Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
It's not just about gpu chip having heatspreader or not. Not even about usually insufficient mounting pressure for gpu-s.
It's about all small factors summed up - you'd be better off with buying universal gpu block since the very beginning without problems of too much pressure, too big block size, unusable mounting sys, and so on and on then spending time and money upon trying to fit something not meant to. You CAN fit car engine on bike. Should you? Are gains in some areas worth losses in others when doing so? Imho - not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
I'm concerned about the bowing issue on the GTX 580 with an Apogee XT CPU block. I can make a proper bracket to buckle it down. Apogee XT has more surface area and it seems like it would do a better job cooling than many small surface area universal GPU heat sinks. Big factor is being safe but the other factor is saving money. The best factor is the fun factor. I have a good time building stuff.
I can tell you that I use the MCW82 on both of my GTX580's and it has no issue cooling the GPU. I would not try and use a block made for a CPU on a GPU unless I had gotten it for free and was just trying to find a use for it. Even then, I think you would be better off selling the cpu block and buying a gpu block.
The GPU only blocks are great performers as long as you keep the vrms and memos cool.
My MCW80 keep my 5850 under load with 10c delta :)
2 x mcw80 on my 4970x2 also within a 10c delta. It's all on an mcr320 with low speed fans.
Well I paid for it but I'm not using it. I was going to sell it and buy another universal block for a video card but it seems cheaper to mod it for a video card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
The Maelstrom reservoir will be compatible with other type of DCC pumps or it will be compatibile with MCP35X only?
It is compatible with MCP350, MCP355, MCP35B, MCP35X.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merluz
Would there be a chance of a Apogee Drive II bottom only, for those of us with PWM-capable pumps? I know I'd be very interested in a pair for my workstation.
Yes that's a possibility.
thank you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
One last question on the Drive, will it have C32/G34 support (which would mean socket F as well?) My workstation has a pair of Istanbuls in it, which are rather new and not too bad at all. They just happen to share the same single-hole spacing of socket 939. I've noticed a trend of little AMD support from most manufacturers, I'm hoping you guys will still give us workstation people some love.
Yes it fully supports AMD.
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/8...driveiiamd.jpg
What?! You mean you do not want to be liable for all of the crushed dies? Why, how dare you :p: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
This is looking very sexy. I can see myself integrating this into my loops, even in my main systems and not just small builds. I read most of the thread but do not remember seeing a more specific date when this will become available...any info?Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
When could we expect an ETA for these? Any range on MSRP?
Just a side question:
what software do you use to design and render your products?
It seems SolidWorks and Photoview360 but I may be wrong, just curious :)
Awesome stuff btw, keep up the great work :up:
It's just too early to tell precisely but we're still aiming at end of March.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayin
My white HD just arrived...it is gorgeous.
i have a question about the apogee drive 2. if the pump dies on it will i be able to replace it myself or am i going to need to buy a whole new assembly?
I want to see the improved internals of the Drive 2.
Will the Apogee drive 2 support future sockets?
Any news on this Apogee drive 2?
Sounds and looks fantastic, I would love to see it in my Nano Tower.
this is what i get from mcp35x2 ;)
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Looks good ! :) Nice Flowrate with a silent dual pump solution !
the flow rate too high tend to suck air into loop... loop like i need a bigger reservoir...i'm using a 225ml ek reservoir....Quote:
Originally Posted by bundymania
Yes, I am done with 7970 and 7950 heatsink designs, and will nowe begin production. I goes pretty fast from there.
other news..
not sure if Stephen mentionned it, but there was a snafu in shipping of the Helix fans.. they all got shipped by Ocean instead of partial/air + partial ocean..this is the reason for the delay. We expect the ocean freight to arrive within 8 to 10 days at the most.
Komodo HD7950 is finished and scheduled for april production.
Apogee Drive II is in production.
Lok-Seal fittings are shipping within a few days.
MCW82 base plate for HD7970 & 7950 is in production (an actual base plate, not a copper shim that adds a TIM joint and deteriorates performance)
New & improved MCW82 mounting brackets for All Radeon HD single GPU series (5000 to current) are scheduled for April production. They will allow use of the 82 with AMD's excellent spring cross-bracket, and make installation a real breeze.
Now working on 7800 series heatsinks ;-)
Do we hace pricing on the fans yet? And what is the ETA on the Apogee Drive II?
...Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Just for the record, he also wanted to mention thanks for working your tail off and getting all these new items out within the first half of the year. I would also like to say thank you for being one of the companies that innovates, and doesn't just copy someone else's idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
One thing missing is waterblock for MSI Big Bang Xpower II . Can you just leak a pic of that block?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
what's the difference between mcp35b and mcp35x?
MCP35X has more head pressure and is PWM adjsustable. while the MCP35B is just a MCP350 with our High Performance pump top.Quote:
Originally Posted by junkun13
Production for Apogee Drive II was launched over 2 weeks ago. Though our machines have been pretty busy and we should expect another ~ 4 to 7 weeks of production.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
Does it mean we need to wait another 4-7 weeks for first supply of Drive II, or would the first batch be available before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
We should be able to give a more precise ETA in a couple of weeks. What I meant was that it should take us longer than 7 weeks to start selling Apogee Drive II. It could be sooner but no sooner than 4 weeks.
crap... i need the drive ii this week :D that along with the 280mm rad
EDIT:
actually... i asked ST a few years back about something similar but they said the drive was not coming back... not publically, gabe sent me an email.
>>> http://forums.swiftech.org/viewtopic...fd1b707916a19f <<<
Is the Apogee Drive II going to have s1156 mounting too?
Yes!
do we have prices on the lok-seal fittings yet? im quite curious specifically on the cost for the 90* rotary with an open thread and the one with a compression fitting (3/8-5/8)
Another week's wait..then it will all be known :-)