20 watt lower TDP and it's not much more than a die shrink, so theres no reason to expect vastly better performance. April can't come soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by C3
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20 watt lower TDP and it's not much more than a die shrink, so theres no reason to expect vastly better performance. April can't come soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by C3
Thats true. Obviously I was expecting too much.
as the chip manufacturing gets smaller, it gets harder, which we all know. but intel is way ahead of everyone else at it. so whatever happens, it looks like intel will continue to have the highest performance chips, AND the highest performance:power chips. whether intel beats its own overclocked 2600k in april, or later with IVB-E, it is almost selfish for us to ask. we're spoiled with performance. how many years might it be before AMD beats an overclocked 2600k? don't answer that.Quote:
Originally Posted by C3
Intel raised multpier from 57x in Sandy to 63x in Ivy. I think not without reason.
Maybe each K series CPU will do 5GHz on BOX cooler :shocked:
Man, that's what I've been hoping. A reliable 5+Ghz hyperthreaded quad would satisfy cpu needs for sometime.:D
Keep in mind I tote this thing all over the country for some real gaming fun +going to crunch on hotel power.:para:
1 year, 2 tops. In multithreaded benchmarks at least. Single threaded is a long way off. All AMD has to do is get the manufacturing process tweaked properly to fix the power draw problem and higher speeds. Optimizng the core will be here this year too so that will bring a tiny improvement too.Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
I hope Ivy does well though. Im not hoping for a lot but with a die shrink generally comes a little bit higher OC headroom so I am hoping for an average OC on the chips to be around 5GHz on air :)
Remember this is more than just a die shrink. This is the first commercial 3-D transistor (Fin-Fet, Tri-gate whatever you want to call it) technology available to the masses. Pass results may not be directly comparable (in a good way I hope).Quote:
Originally Posted by EniGmA1987
Its pretty much what intel always offers with a die shrink ~5-10% performance (clock for clock) increase over the last cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by C3
8 Core IVY ~ 3,3GHz 3,6GHz Turbo, 130W TDP
10 Core IVY ~ 2,8GHz X,XGHz Turbo, TDP
http://www.abload.de/thumb/ivye7samplemnf5n.gifhttp://www.abload.de/thumb/ivy10corenmfpe.jpg
Now we're talking :).
Those '3-d' transistor won't have any effect on ocing because they only have an advantage at low voltages. Ofcourse the smaller node still has an advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdsdv10
So they gained about 400Mhz on a first 22nm attempt. Thats pretty nice, thats about 16% higher clocks.
(current E7 10 cores 2.4GHz @ 130W TDP)
I want to see mobile chips battery life tested ! :)
Yep,IB is ~5.7% faster than SB at the same clock(1.089x3.4/3.5) according to these tests from the unnamed guy. Not bad at all, but nothing special either. More important are the power savings and how they will affect the clocks at ULV segment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
My 2500K hit wall at 5.55 (x55Multi)
Intel are holding back, imagine what the reviews will look like, they will further their lead in both performance and power usage, bulldozzzer is about to look even worse so why would intel play their full hand?
I'm a bit disappointed. Doesn't look like I will upgrade my 2600K to one of these. Wasn't there another leak recently showing that Ivy Bridge won't really overclock more than Sandy Bridge? If that's true, less than a 6 % speedbump is not so good. Intel is spending more and more transistors on the GPU part, which is great for Ultrabooks, but does nothing for high end desktops. I would prefer they would make a separate line without the GPU stuff and give us more speed.
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Originally Posted by informal
Just enough to keep Intel's IPC advantage over AMD offerings, it seems. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom's Hardware
A nice speed bump over the SB processors they replace with ~20% TDP reduction. Not bad.
I haven't mentioned AMD in my post at all. Piledriver will bring considerable boost over Llano in ULV and low(er) TDP brackets so AMD will catch up somewhat when CPU side is in question and maintain the lead when GPU is in question. On high end desktop front,things probably won't change much. This 3.5Ghz IB model will be <10% faster than 2600K which for most intel users won't be enough for a switch. For new intel users they will most likely pick this model instead of 2600K if price is not considerably higher. If AMD manages to get 15% perf. boost over 8150 or better yet,8170, then they may end up pretty close to 2600K or 2700K.ST performance will definetely be intel's stronghold for a longer while though,but we are at the point that most users already have plenty enough of ST power even in their Core2 or Phenom II chips so that more would mean nothing to them(I'm in this group too).Quote:
Originally Posted by Brice MJ
The problem with your calculation is that you are assuming that performance is going to scale linearly with clock speed in all benchmarks testedQuote:
Originally Posted by informal
i7 2700 has 3% higher clock speed than i7 2600, but in a lot of benchmarks the is advantage is going to be less 3%
Just an example, you can see from this review that i7 2700 is only 2.3% faster than i7 2600 in cinebench
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1751/8/
Seems like that whooping 10-15% (3-5% IPC) boost over Bulldozer will have to be enough to face Haswell derivatives too. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by informal
More ST performance (over a CPU with equal nº of cores) means more performance in most applications, you may like it not, but it is still very relevant.
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/549...20PM_575px.png
Ok,so the difference between the perfectly scaled result and obtained result,in case of 2700K, is 1.03/1.023=1.006% which is much less than margin of error. If you run any workload more than 2 times on your own machine(without changing any of the HW settings) ,you will see the score will fluctuate a bit.
I'll wait to see how shipping silicon works out before accepting that conclusion...Quote:
Originally Posted by flyck
Windows 8 + Ivy Bridge + Optimus = longer battery life! :cool:
Do we have an official thread on this yet or is this it?
:up:
FAKEs.
Both fakes made of SNB-EP.
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Originally Posted by Cyras
When will people stop posting Coolaler's crap? He's been banned for years now...
What about Oh Bee Are lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
People seem intent on spamming that here all the time.
-PB
Daddy likes cooler temps and higher clocks.
According to this link, the 77 W 3500's does have Hyperthreading.
Is it a typo or what?
Edit:
Attachment 124111
Would be a pleasant surprise, but I vote for typo.
Well now I had another look at it, both sheets says "Low power", and part of the text at the bottom is covered by the list.
I vote for fake.
BTW a short swedish article since the thread got bumped may as well post it: http://translate.google.com/translat...en-gud&act=url
Appearently 5GHz pn air will be easy. I still hope it'll be more like at least 5.2GHz is still quite easy to achieve and if pushing it with a good sample you might get to 5.5GHz or so. But also interesting is the "goes nearly 1GHz higher than 2600K on LN2" part. ^^ Say 6.7~7GHz Ivy would probably perform quite nicely.
Specs for i3 ivy bridge processors models leaked
http://www.techpowerup.com/160553/Iv...-Gen.-3.0.html
Core i3-3220T 2.8GHz 35w TDP
Core i3-3240T 3GHz 35w TDP
Core i3-3220 3.3GHz 55w TDP
Core i3-3225 3.3GHz 55w TDP (comes with faster HD4000 graphics)
Core i3-3240 3.4GHz 55w TDP
How do we know those Ivy-E pics are fake? No saying you're wrong or they're not, just how do you know? is there an obvious flaw in the images?
I for one was excited to see Ivy-E something..Because it's yet to show up on any official or leaked roadmap. Even the most recent Intel roadmap had SB-E out till Haswell.
Also whatever happened to the SB-E respin, with all the borked features returning like SAS and the dedicated storage PCi-E links? Will they ever drop a fully functional SB-E chipw with all 8 cores active on the desktop? I can't wait till Ivy-E (if it exists) for that..:(
Yes. H2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenknics
most likleyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Hmm interesting... if this numbers hold up till launch the are in the range of a HD5550
The numbers look really good for them, not that I am interested in IGP.
It could still improve with the launch drivers, and why would EXPreview have the latest and greatest drivers.
4.6GHz - 1.1V
http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/2a11...f065f0ed27.jpg http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/d7c6...88d40e7809.jpg http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/08b4...9c07c22243.jpg http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/6446...3057b36fb5.jpg http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/de55...937c92b82f.jpg http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/1a7f...408dac1add.jpg http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/0e2f...b612f41b8a.jpg http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/4e2e...64556cd2b7.jpg
http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/cd3...c5d138f2b4.jpg
5GHz - 1.27V
http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/bb7...4496c20213.jpg
http://news.mydrivers.com/1/218/218240.htm
Still no info on 23.976 fps problem.. :(
Olivon must agree some impressive scores there and is just me or have the temps dropped a bit as well by the looks of things (depending was this on water or just air) 5Ghz 1.27v really it's surprised me quite a bit.:up: Cinebench was quite impressive as well. Can't wait to have a play my self lol
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/ca667c0...e432f1272e.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralDeath
5ghz @ 1.27v is crazy!
curious to see if extensive binning is going to be required to find a good one like sb.
looks very good...!
OC monster, I like what I am seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
seems to be worth waiting !
what about paper launch rumors ? second rumor says it wwould only affect laptop cpus
Actually I think 5GHz 1.27v is so-so compared to 4.6GHz at 1.1v, big vcore increase there. Then some person on chiphell was earlier speaking of like 1.17v 5GHz, maybe we're looking at Ivy to OC 5GHz @ ~1.2~1.23v or so in avg would be nice, ofc still need way more results to know exactly what the avg looks to be for 5GHz.
yes h2 what? the sb-e respin will be out in the 2nd half of this year?
Looking good so far.
Is stock VID 1.1v?
Eh, 6GHz on water? Hmmm...
not possible, only maybe for validation, max superpi 1M.
Yea 6GHz and above is out of reach other than subzero cooling (yet I'm not suprised if we see some crazy ppl doing some benchmarks at like 5.7-5.9GHz on air/water though ^^), even if it would be a bad sample the sample variety is never that big so that we could expect to see some 6GHz clocks on water. I'd be happy if some Ivy Bridge samples let you do benchmarks at a bit higher voltage (1.35~1.40v) at 5.5GHz on air but for 24/7 use if 1.1v is stock I wouldn't go past 1.3v or so in the sense I wouldn't go higher than around 1.35v (24/7 use) with Sandy.
Hmm I wonder when intel scraps atom and just goes for singel/dualcore variants of its normal chips. The original atom had a very noticable size difference comapred to the normal mobile offerings.. now the gap gets smaller and smaller...
over 5Ghz 24/7 on air would do the trick for me, maybe 5,1 or 5,2 with a good batch ? ^^
btw, disabling HT would allow higher clock / lower vCore...and use of extra cache ...
could bo good for a gaming station around 5,5Ghz wouldn't it ?
Intel "Ivy Bridge" Core i7-3770K is Capable of 100% Overclock - BSN*
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When it comes to the hardware side, we were shown that the processor excels in performance. We saw the samples of Core i7-3770K going from 3.5 GHz to massive 7.06 GHz clock. By raising voltage to 1.889 Volts, using 63x multiplier and 112.11 MHz and using dry ice - the 22nm beast passed 7000 MHz.
Using 1.889 Volts, it rather jump to light speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
We already saw BD going up to 8GHz and beyond.
Damn, maybe I should delete my thread. lol
nice, 7 GHz for Intel is great, new WRs in superpi coming :).
7GHz, probably enough for new WR's in everything, 2D and 3D...Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Difference being BD was crap even at those clocks, and as Gunslinger mentioned above, at 7Ghz Ivy will/may break every record except for CPUz.....Quote:
Originally Posted by El Maño
How many cores was active? 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Maño
i7-3770K has all cores active.
Hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
Man I wish it didn't have 63x multi as limit, that's what's really holding these back, that and cold bug appearently (otherwise I have a feeling dry ice hadn't been used). Would be interesting to know how high the CPU would go if there was no cpu multi limit nor cold bug, feels like 8GHz+ had been possible already on LN2.
Maybe as time passes people find out tricks to stabilize high BCLKs or there's better motherboards launched for this purpose. :)
Any chance of unleashing BCLK with Ivy? Or will it have the same limitations as Sandy? I read rumour of a 133 mhz BCLK option and that Ivy had no cold bug at all, have these been shown to be false?
:(
You need to wait for release to find the truth about anything these days mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Except for your faith in Trouffman being able to lift a 60L dewar, I am starting to agree with more and more of what you suggest, veteran :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger
Could the new 63x limit be similar to the old 60x limit in that it seems close but very few will ever reach it anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
:(
it doesnt matter how many cores....Validation is validation. Its only 1-2s of idle stability for save validation file.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxforces
Of course but for benching most 3D benchmarks its useless, thats why they said above that Intel at 7Ghz will win everything except cpu-z.
:)
it does matter even for validation file how many cores are active.Try on your BD. 1 module clocked higher than 2 modules always.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Why the world record was only one module not all?
not from my point of view...with my average chip and all cores I got 74xx MHz (-185C only). Yes, it could help about +100-200 MHz, but thats all. With the same technique u can OC SB. Still, 85xx MHz is impressive.
It's more impressive to be able to do something worthwhile with all those MHz, IMHO of course ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
can't wait for them to hit the market - sb-e isn't exactly what you call fun...
Why? What's wrong with SB-E? This is a legit question, I have never touched one as they are too dear for me. I'm going to buy Ivy as soon as I find one that can be bought.
A few people have told me that SB-E ( and 1366 before that) is the real enthusiast platform and 1155 doesn't matter as its just a toy ...... Elitist garbage I say !!!
:D
So, when is the rumored release?
Debut April.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Yea it is more fun than SB, but the frequency OC is lower than SB.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Ivy frequency seems so much more fun to deal with, brings back memories of GT for most.
SBe is like we are OCing less than we did in the past, high frequency is always fun. It isn't that interesting when a CPU's max limit can be reached under air/water cooling.
there is nothing toy about sandy bridge. sandy bridge is faster because it is simpler. sandy bridge-e has more cache and cores. good for special circumstances. but sandy bridge is faster for most things because it has higher clock speed. smaller, simpler design = less voltage = less heat = higher clock speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
ivy bridge and the v2 xeons will be faster than the sandy bridge stuff. the only thing sb-e has going for it is the clock strap which one presumes will allow better overclocking of locked chips than the ivy bridge xeons
True but it still out scores sandy in later 3D benchmarks, I agree that high MHz is fun and more rewarding than a lower clock.
:)
Dunno if it will be true for Ivy unless you find a gem 5.9 SB-E CPU... we will see in a few months
i7 3770K + Four GTX 680s = This year's beast machine.
Ohh, wait, did I forget about Ivy Bridge-E?
u forgot at better choice, AMD GPUs....For nVidia is too late, maybe thi year will be next gen of AMD graphics 8000, so...
Don't forget that NV big dog is coming september too. And we don't know what GK104 can do ;)
According to to sweclockers http://translate.google.com/translat...bridge&act=url
April 8th: LGA1155 motherboards chipset Z77, Z75, H77 och B75 is released
April 29th: Launch of the desktop quad core variants, benchmarks, OEM computer models revealed by partners etc. Still unsure if they will be available for order on that same date or a little later
June 3rd: Q77 and Q75 and later during the month mobile parts with dualcore
I hope it's not a paper launch in April, but I guess Intel don't want to launch another not so great product after last years three mistakes/shortcomings.
That's all the link says about iBridge, the rest is smartphones and Maloneys career.Quote:
Intel expects its next-generation microprocessors to go on sale eight to 10 weeks later than initially planned, according to Sean Maloney, executive vice-president of Intel and chairman of Intel China.
In his first interview to discuss Intel’s business in China, Mr Maloney told the Financial Times that the start of sales of machines equipped with Ivy Bridge – the 22nm processor set to succeed Sandy Bridge in notebooks this year – had been pushed back from April. “I think maybe it’s June now,” he said.
Mr Maloney said the adjustment was not caused by a lack of demand but came because of the new manufacturing process needed to make the smaller chips.
An Intel spokesperson said the company’s plans to start shipping Ivy Bridge in the second quarter had not changed.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c3c3c2b6-6...#axzz1ncz9YCfT
Does anyone know if there will be a new z77 version of the Gene?? I'm guessing there will be but how long will we have to wait?
Edit:ok I found the Maximus 5 leaks, I hope they are out quickly with Ivy
:D
What do you guys think will be a safe voltage range for the new process?
:)
Almost impossible to say what's the physical voltage range limits other than Intel themselves or after years of statistics but physiological voltage range for me would be like around 1.30~1.32v max if 1.1v is default. :P I've always used a bit higher voltages personally, rocking this i7-860 @ 1.41v for like 2½ years now and used to use E6750 @ 1.52v and much earlier in the days A64 3700+ @ 1.65v to mention a few, sadly all chips I've tortured 24/7 air-wise survived without signs of degradation too. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Sandy though seems to degrade very easily, I guess it's a little early to ask about voltages but 24/7 will have to be around 1.25v I'm guessing, maybe 5ghz 24/7 will become commonplace.
:)
Yea I'm guessing 1.25~1.3v is whereabouts most people will stop initially but in the end it also depends a whole lot on how it scales with voltage. Of course it's no sense going from 1.23v to 1.3v for a 100MHz increase. But I'm guessing 1.25~1.3v will be good enough for 5.2GHz +/-100MHz on most chips (I'm predicting 5.0~5.2GHz becoming the typical 4.0~4.2GHz result on i7-920 back in the days), but yea that's a big shot in the dark based on 2 results only with one source very questionable but I find prediction more interesting than reading about the actual results. (should be a betting contest for new hardware) :P But that's my prediction around 500MHz higher average 24/7 clocks from Ivy (air cooling) but also at a lower more corresponding "safe" voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
If this is against forum rules then please delete this but does anyone know how to get your hands on a 3770K right now? I read they are for sale in China and Russia, how does this work with NDA? Or are they selling ES cpus?
Cheers.
:)
retail CPU's are already being sold there...
someone could order a Z77 mobo in norway, 3770k available elsewhere...
mobos should have been available on april 8 and cpu is due 29 april ...
Many Z77/H77 mobos are widely available in Poland:
ASRock Z77 EXTREME4
Asrock H77M
Asrock H77 Pro4/MVP
Asus SABERTOOTH Z77
Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
Asus P8Z77-V PRO
Asus P8Z77-V
Asus P8Z77-V LE
GA-Z77X-D3H
GA-Z77-D3H
GA-Z77M-D3H
GA-Z77MX-D3H
GA-Z77X-UD5H
GA-H77M-D3H
H77MA-G43
MSI Z77A-GD65
MSI Z77A-GD55
MSI Z77A-G45
MSI Z77MA-G45
MSI Z77A-G43
55 models in Germany.
Z77: http://geizhals.at/de/?cat=mbp4_1155&xf=317_Z77#xf_top
Z75: http://geizhals.at/de/?cat=mbp4_1155&xf=317_Z75#xf_top
H77: http://geizhals.at/de/?cat=mbp4_1155&xf=317_H77#xf_top
Two mini-ITX H77: http://geizhals.at/de/?cat=mb1ppga_d...317_Z77#xf_top