thx nizzen, intersting, nice result! that really might be the deal with these new 25nm devices....as always....raid them for best performance! except this time it looks to alleviate the 4k random issue nicely :)
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thx nizzen, intersting, nice result! that really might be the deal with these new 25nm devices....as always....raid them for best performance! except this time it looks to alleviate the 4k random issue nicely :)
Vertex 3 MaxIO is just around the corner...
Wonder how much it distinguishes itself from the "normal" Vertex 3 :), it better add another ~10K+ iops or so
The MaxIO Edition started appearing/listing in Norwegian webshops this morning, according to the listings it will be $50-$100 extra depending on capacity.
It just never ends...
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I'm a bit behing on my testing of the V3, had to redo most tests as it had started degrading at some point and I don't know when.
It's looking better this time around.
So, this MaxIO edition is using better binned NAND, or just better tuned FW ? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anvil
Is there any Spec Sheet available ?:)
EDIT --> As Tony said here, the differences are :
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
when i say faster I mean random performance...sequential may be the same or slightly less..hence the name...maxio
Quote:
Q : Just firmware?
A : No, different nand type...so totally different drive
Anyone here using Vertex 3 with Asus R3E? I have some low speeds connected to Marvel 6Gps controller
Any ideas what i have to do to fix it?
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1...vertex3scs.png
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7958/ssdlife.png
Yep - looking forward to these MI V3s. Got rid of both my vanilla V3 120's already, haha. Friggin OCZ - they havn't even been able fulfill stock on V3's and they're already talkin new models. Oh well, I'm all about the speed, I just hope I'm not waiting all summer long for these while the competition gears up their next rounds...Quote:
Originally Posted by Anvil
But according to Wendy slower sequential and faster 4k random will result in these drives being “spanked”. :ROTF: Sorry could not resist. Times have obviously changed yet again. :rolleyes:
Hi Ao1 :)
According to Tony this is only the beginning of a series of new Enthusiast SSDs from OCZ, could mean several tweaked SSDs based on the V3.
If MaxIO is using toggeled NAND then we are most likely looking at Toshiba 32nm NAND or maybe Samsung, we'll just have to wait and see.
Hi Anvil, :) It’s a good move to get away from 25nm. New tech, new headaches, slower 4k, less flexibility to have consistent performance at different capacities, less wear…..all without any advantage.
I thought Tony said that 3xnm nand was no longer available though?
;)
I googled a bit and found this on 32nm toggle NAND
Attachment 113726
So, 8KB page size, 1MB block size on Toshibas 32nm.
Link
To be fair, the drives are more expensive and would allow for a higher grade NAND.
(not so sure that higher grade is actually higher grade in this comparison)
Currently they are shipping IMFT NAND on the V3 but whos to say that they won't change to another supplier for some batches.
Looking forward to this anyways, should be interesting knowing what MaxIO is vs Standard :)
I believe the 1st Anandtech review of the OCZ Vertex 3 Pro used Toshiba's 32nm Toggle NAND, so that should give an indication of performance.
I just really hope they hurry up with whatever they're doing.
I'm back on a single gen I Vertex 120. Ugh.
I'd buy one with 120GB of Toshiba SLC NAND even if it was like $700. That would be an awesome drive.
The question is, is it possible to get that much more performance out of the V3 and will it be noticeable outside benchmarks.
I'm sticking to the orders I've placed for the standard V3, I need at least one more anyways for a small raid, ETAs are slipping so I'm wondering if production has ramped up.
edit:
I agree with you One_Hertz, there is room for more extreme SSDs.
I believe there is an EX version planned which will use SLC, and possibly the SF-2582 or 2682 controller.
BobyTT after researching these drives are for P67s only , i have the r3f and vertex 120 gbQuote:
Originally Posted by BobyTT
here is on marvell much worst
Any news/bench yet on this Vertex 3 MaxIO? I was planning on buying a Vertex 3 240gb today unless I see a better performance in these new Vertex 3's on crack
FYI just found the PDF info on the Vertex maxIO 120GB version ---------> H E R E
Looks like the 120GB gets more 4KB Random Reads from 20K to 35K
and 4K Random Writes from 60K to 75K.
Mmmm I bet that 240GB is going to be very fast..
That's pretty good :)
I don't think there is that much to gain on the 240GB but lets wait and see.
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Crazy - nice find. Ugh. More ATTO specs.
We need some real benches on these badboys...
So using OCZ's existing specs logic:
Regular 240GB is 40K IOPS 4K Random Read vs. 35K IOPS 4K Random Read for the MaxIO 120GB
Regular 240GB is 60K IOPS 4K Random Read vs. 75K IOPS 4K Random Write for the MaxIO 120GB
Am I reading that right?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
I guess OCZ Forum says pricing will be $359.99 on the 120GB and $649.99 on the 240Gb maxIO versions..
Wish we had some specs on the 240's - those things are gonna be beastly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
Yes, that is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Best guess would be 45-50K read iops and 80K+ write iops, @ 4K.
Anyone tested Vertex 3 with sb850?
OCZ Vertex 3 240GB back in stock at newegg and use this 10% coupon EMCKFJE23 for -$50.00 off at checkout. Only good for 72 hours..
yeah i decided to pull the trigger on it. Still way more than I had initially planned on spending on a SSD but what the hell, just need to smoke a few less cigars/drink a little less scotch next month and it'll even out. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
Plus I'm tired of the headaches of putting together a new rig, I just want to use the damn thing.
Just made this graphic for comparison, think I know what SSD I'm buying this summer ;)
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=435592
The 120GB MaxIO edition looks much better on paper than the standard one, should be interesting getting a pcmv comparison of those two.
Still waiting for info on the 240GB MI...
A few benchmarks from the PCH (Sandy Bridge)
2R0 Vertex 3 240GB, strip size 64KB
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Looks like a great combo for the PCH :)
what is PCH max sequential speed?
Not sure, probably a bit more, but I don't find mixing 6Gb/s+3Gb/s drives/ports that interesting. (there are 2 6Gb/s ports on the P67, should have been more but thats for the X79-E :))
(might give it a try just to find out what happens)
edit:
I did give it a try and by adding 1 C300 256GB to the equation throughput was reduced, the AS SSD score increased though.
(3x Vertex'es probably would have performed better than mixing Vertex 3 + C300)
Very impressive, Anvil.
Regarding P67 PCH.
There are 8 x1 PCIe2 lanes on P67 PCH, with each lane having 10Gbps concurrent bandwidth.
I have no idea how many lanes are set aside for SATA, perhaps 2?
Just got my two 240's in the mail today. Can't wait to install them.
Will be quite the upgrade over the old Intel 80GB G1.
Anvil, any plans on trying your V3's on your LSI?
So MaxIO is only faster at high que 4k?
@felix_w
Sure, will do that this weekend.
@One_Hertz
Looks like the speed gain is at high qd's but more importantly it is now almost on par with the 240GB on writing incompressible data.
@Wendy
I'm happy with those results :)
I haven't found out how many lanes that are reserved for the SATA part, according to TechReport "The P67 has a second-gen DMI implementation that doubles the speed of each lane, bumping aggregate interconnect bandwidth up to 4GB/s." Link
Anyways, it can't handle the bandwith of 3x Vertex 3's :)
(the wait for X79 has officially started)
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Here's my 2 240's...
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5...mapimageya.jpg
And Andrea - your single 120 looks right where it's supposed to be...
why my is 103424k and yours 1024kQuote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Because you installed Windows on yours -- you have the 1024KiB offset + 100MiB space windows leaves = 101 MiB = 103424 KiB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
but mine is ok? right?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnw
@ Andrea_deluxe
Yours is just fine.
Strange. The SF-2200/2100 is based on the ONFi 2 specification - up to 166MT/s. 4K should be faster with 32nm. I wonder what NAND they are using. Toshiba? IMFT?Quote:
Originally Posted by One_Hertz
I speculated a couple of weeks ago that MAXIO would use Toshiba 32nm toggle mode NAND.
Although I haven't been able to get my hands on a MAXIO SSD, I still think that Tosh 32nm toggle mode NAND is still the most likely, as it was already used ES Vertex 3 Pro SSDs.
It may also use the SF-2282 controller rather than the SF-2281 used in the Vertex 3.
Aren't you running them in sata2? In that case 250x3 = 750 which is exactly what you are seeing, meaning no controller bottleneck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anvil
We did discuss the Toshiba toggle NAND on the previous page, I'm pretty sure that's whats used but it would be great to know for sure :)
I won't be ordering the MAXIO edition unless I'm unhappy with the day-to-day performance on the standard edition.
If I had known there was a MAXIO editon in the works I probably would have waited though, the 240GB MAXIO doesn't bring that much to the table vs the 120GB MAXIO edition.
@One_Hertz
No, 2x 6Gb/s ports + 1x 3Gb/s port
I am pretty sure that when you do that you limit your array to 3x the bandwidth of the weakest link, which is the 3Gb port.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anvil
You are correct :)
For some reason I thought I had tried 3R0 C300 on the PCH resulting in >1GB/s but that wasn't correct. I had to use 4 drives for that kind of bandwidth.
Yep - we're stuck with 2 6G drives for now on the P67... I wanted to buy 3 or 4 V3's, but soon realized if you're spanning your R0 array across both 3G & 6G ports, the 6G ports negotiate down to 3G speeds - no thanks. Gotta wait for x79. That's gonna be an EXPENSIVE upgrade for me. I'm thinking a very minimum of 4 MaxIO 120's... of course that's a ways out and whose to say the MaxIO will be the top SSD?
Hey guys does the Vertex 3 have a toolbox?
Because you allowed windows to create the unecassary 100MB system partition during installation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
:(
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
Mmmmm I went to OCZ can not find it? Can someone link me please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian[Frozen]
Thanks
Think it is the same toolbox as the Vertex 2 since it is based on Sandforce too.
Try this one here :
http://www.ocztechnology.com/files/s...lbox_v2.36.zip !
Thanks for link as well :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by bulanula
No dice says if using Intel 10.1 or something like that it will not work.
It works. Right click and run in XP compatability mode if you have to...
Works great.
Worked like a charm thanks.. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Wasn't sure if anyone had posted a benchmark for 2x 240GB Vertex 3's in RAID 0 so I just ran AS SSD real quick.
Already have a few games/programs/data, etc installed so the performance has probably dropped a little. This is all using the onboard RAID from a Gigabyte UD4-B3. Run under Windows 7 x64 Ultimate.
Lemme know if I can run any other tests if people want to know anything about 2x240 in RAID 0. Absolutely loving this combo though. Good bang for the buck.
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3528/ssdk.jpg
Here's mine from 1 page back...
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5...mapimageya.jpg
Something's wrong with kgk's 4K writes ...286 vs. 46 ????
Write cache enabled?
The difference in performance is no OS VS OS on the array?
Some preliminary test with OCZ Vertex 3 120Gb Maxiops on ocz forum (on P67 sata 6Gb/s):
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...l=1#post630268
http://bbs.pceva.com.cn/attachments/...a29c52ffc2.jpg http://bbs.pceva.com.cn/attachments/...6fcd32f53a.jpg
http://bbs.pceva.com.cn/attachments/...9bb5a4d2a4.jpg http://bbs.pceva.com.cn/attachments/...aff58b4bf5.jpg
38MB @ 4K QD1 Read? Nice! :eek:
CDM is broken... It overrates results. Nonetheless a very decent drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
AS SSD is more or less correct at QD1.
That 4K QD1 write result is rather high, the 240GB V3 is nowhere near that figure.
aha. Toshiba 32nm toggle mode NAND on show, I believe. :)
so are the max iops not equating to the low QD? say it aint so sam!
we need some more detailed testing...gah! wish i could afford a couple (or 8 :) ) of them!
Some testing on the regular Vertex3. Asus Maximus IV Extreme using Win7 64Bit installed as UEFI with the controller set to AHCI along and the Intel "F6" 10.1.0.1008 driver.
Click for larger image
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...sd_839_a_s.jpg
So, a new firmware in the making :)
Are you disabling write flushing to go beyond 100MB/s on 4K writes at QD1?
Using standard settings my 240GB stays at around 75MB/s
Just a standard UEFI Win7 install. No setting have been changed.
Alright PRAZ - What's the skinny on the firmware????
yea that 4k qd1 write is very good! always have to remind myself im looking at a single device when i look at the V3 benchies :) UBER
so close to ordering 5 maxiops....
Would the 4k performance be much lower on sata2?
Yep, write cache enabled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
What stripe size did you use?
I didn't even notice the low write until it was pointed out :eek:
I tried all sizes, tested, retested and still landed on the default 128...Quote:
Originally Posted by kgk
Anand explains why the 240GB is faster than it's little brother. (it's a die/package thing)
Link
Nothing new but nicely explained.
Vertex 120GB MaxIO edition x 2 Raid 0 16k Stripe
Man these just fly, I had 2 x M4 64GB & guess what? THEY SUCK:ROTF:
OCZ is not rocking Crucial m4 128gb in Pcmark vantage hdd suite.
2xOCZ vertex Max Iops 120gb VS 2x Crucial m4 128gb
OCZ sux :p:
CDM 0-fill and ATTO for benching ssd :rofl: Are you working @ OCZ :bounces:
Heh, also he said he was comparing 120GB V3's to 64GB m4's. Not exactly a fair comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nizzen
I would like to see a comparison between the Vertex 3 120GB MaxIOPS drive to the M4 128GB drive.
The latter I can gather from other reviews, but I have yet to see the performance of a V3 120GB MaxIOPS drive by itself -- not in a RAID. The V3 Vanilla has better sequential performance but poorer random performance as compared to the M4 making the comparison difficult. I'm interested to see how the MaxIOPS drive's random R/W performs as that should either make the V3 the superior drive or not.
Correct John, it's not a fair comparison but my 2 x M4 's 64Gb performed poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnw
Not saying 128GB are poor but the no.s I saw & the way it performed on my Max IV.
I also have 3 Mushkin's that rock the 3G controller almost max.
Below are my 3 Mushkin Raid 0 128K & Bottom are running Raid 0 4k
I am in doubt if I should cancel my Vertex 3 IO for a M4
We just need to find a V3 IO 120GB drive review! We already have plenty of them for the m4 128GB so it'll be a matter of comparing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mech0z
Some As SSD bench? Iometer random 4K?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nizzen
In the comments one person lists some atto result for the max iops in 1 drive and raid0 but that 4k read seems terrible?
http://www.techpowerup.com/144734/OC...te-Drives.html
New firmware for the V3
OCZ Firmware Release Notes Version 2.06
M a y 1 2 , 2 0 1 1
Issues resolved since version 2.02
*Fixed a rare corner case issue where a STOP error may occur during Windows OS 7 installation on a small number of platforms using Intel’s P67 Sandy bridge chipset
Vertex 3 series, Vertex 3 Max IOPS series, Agility 3 series, Solid 3 series
Note:
1. Future firmware upgrades require drives that have firmware version 2.06 or higher.
2. Once the drive has been upgraded with firmware version 2.06, it can NOT be downgraded to version 2.02.
edit:
A few more lines were added to the resolved list.
-Improved boot up time during typical operation
-Improved the drive’s power consumption when it was in an idle mode
Anymore updates on the V3 MI in a R0 vs the M4 in R0? Too bad there is only 2 x Intel SATA3/6Gbps controller ports. I would love to see a 3 x 128gb or 256GB C300 R0 bench with 4K results..
2x Vertex 3 128gb MaxIOPS R0 128kb stripe on P67 Sata 6:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7851098/as-s...22-24%20PM.png
2x C300 128gb with OS R0 128kb stripe on P67 Sata 6
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7851098/as-s...0PM%20C300.png
Hmm seems like something is off about my drives? My sequential speeds seem to be the same as some people's single drive. I have the latest firmware and I seem to get a Intel RST error about the raid array every time I reboot but I reset it to normal and it seems to go back chugging along.
Are you sure that you are using the 6Gb/s ports?
There are only 2 6Gb/s ports on the P67 and so you cant have all 4 SSD's working at full speed simultaneously.
Also, the C300's are running without the WriteBackCache enabled, so they are not really comparable.
Both are great drives though :)
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Will be posting some benchmarks on the Agility 3 60GB later today...
I've been playing with the Agility 3 60GB for a few days (since Saturday) and it's been a frustrating experience.
It had the 2.06 FW installed and it is not working very well with the P67, I use it as a spare drive and it is *never* recognized when cold-booting.
Sometimes a "Rescan disks" from Disk Management is what is needed, sometimes I have to reconnect power to get it working.
Everytime it is "discovered" by W7, it installs the driver, never experienced this behavior before.
This never was and still is not a problem with my V3's where all except for 1 is running 2.02, I haven't tried the one that I upgraded to 2.06 but soon will.
Anyways, the Agility 3 60GB is a decent SSD, incompressible data makes a huge impact on performance though, much more than the Vertex 3.
Sequential read using highly compressible data is at ~480MB/s where as incompressible is down to ~165MB/s.
Sequential writes using highly compressible data is at ~450MB/s where as incompressible is down to ~67-70MB/s.
So, based on incompressible it's almost just like using a Vertex 2 60GB (34nm).
It does meet the advertised speeds :)
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(it is 55,9GB, I've just created a smaller partition)
Just for the record, 329.6 MB/s 4K QD32 = 84377 iops.
So, I'll be waiting for the new firmware...
Oh, pro catches :)! I keep forgetting about these small details :doh:. Now they look a ton better:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anvil
V3
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7851098/as-s...44-00%20PM.png
C300
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7851098/as-C...26-08%20AM.png
Now if I would get around to getting FP for my 9260/8i, I'd be curious how that would do.