AMD to Start Production of Desktop "Bulldozer" Microprocessors in April.

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11-06-2010, 05:55 PM
JF-AMD

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Originally Posted by Olivon

I understand John

But, as a consumer who has to change his rig soon, what arguments will make me wait for Bulldozer ?

The first question I would ask you is why do you have to change?

The second question would be "is it worth changing before you have all of the data on both systems?"

I am not a client guy, but if you buy without knowing what both sides are really delivering then you take the risk. It's your call.
11-07-2010, 04:45 AM
Olivon

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

The first question I would ask you is why do you have to change?

The second question would be "is it worth changing before you have all of the data on both systems?"

I am not a client guy, but if you buy without knowing what both sides are really delivering then you take the risk. It's your call.

Hello John,

Thanks for answering first :yepp:

First question :
I got an old P5B Deluxe board (4 years old), works really good, crunching 24/7 (until death certainly ...) but I need a new rig soon. I got the money (for one time :D) so I will be on buying something in 2011.

Second question :
That's always the same question dude :D
I'm already waiting for AMD's or Intel's responses, that's the game :p:
But, from one side, I know barely perfs and launch date and on the other side, I don't know perfs and launch date.

I can understand the secrecy game John, Bulldozer is a really important card in AMD's game, but it's a double-edged weapon.
A little bit of teasing will be good, no ? :D
11-07-2010, 05:56 AM
freeloader

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

but if intel could get ivy bridge or get a new stepping or a small change to sandy bridge midway through the platform integration roadmap .... and that small change would boost their advantage over the market by 10% would you call that nothing???

I'd call that a miracle. I've never seen a stepping change gain 10% on any platform. Unless the stepping change allows you to clock your frequencies higher, the performance increase is not happening. Most stepping changes are minor tweaks to the core to correct deficiencies (errata), and to allow chips to run at lower TDP as the process matures. The only chip I remember that gained anything from a stepping change was the Athlon XP, Thoroughbred A to Thoroughbred B. But that was achieved by adding an extra metal layer to the silicon, not by core enhancements.

I have money now to spend on a new system. If Sandy Bridge totally cleans the clock of my X6 system, then I'll buy Intel if AMD refuses to release any performance data at that time.
11-07-2010, 06:19 AM
Sn0wm@n

anyway ... what i meant is that its possible for a company with 6 months ahead of its competition to take advantage of it ... so its normal that amd wont release info before the product release
11-07-2010, 06:20 AM
JPQY

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

The first question I would ask you is why do you have to change?

The second question would be "is it worth changing before you have all of the data on both systems?"

I am not a client guy, but if you buy without knowing what both sides are really delivering then you take the risk. It's your call.

Ahh JF..i'am happy to read that ;)

Like i said before..so long i don't see any chess result i never buy a new system!
Intel or AMD can come with so many charts from there own benchmarks..they are useless for a customer with his daily program!

Don't get me wrong..they are all interesting..but useless to know if these new cpu's from Intel or AMD will be better for Chess!

JP.
11-07-2010, 07:23 AM
Mats

If Anandtech showed us what SB is capable of 4 months before release, how can anyone expect a similar article about BD before February 2011?
11-07-2010, 07:42 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomasis

according to your logic, i7 must suck at big time :rofl:

huh? on the contrary, instead of adding more cache they used their transistor budget to refine the logic, ie better power management, better ht, integrate the memory controller onto the cpu...

yorkfield = 12MB L2 = 3MB/Core
bloomfield = 2MB L2 and 8MB L3 = 2.5MB/Core
11-07-2010, 07:47 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by saaya

huh? on the contrary, instead of adding more cache they used their transistor budget to refine the logic, ie better power management, better ht, integrate the memory controller onto the cpu...

Introducing SB EP,with massive 20MBs of L3 :p:

ps For the record,I see nothing wrong in big caches.
11-07-2010, 09:41 AM
freeloader

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Introducing SB EP,with massive 20MBs of L3 :p:

ps For the record,I see nothing wrong in big caches.

What about a cache miss?
11-07-2010, 09:42 AM
freeloader

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

If Anandtech showed us what SB is capable of 4 months before release, how can anyone expect a similar article about BD before February 2011?

I can live with that. I'd wait until Feb '11 to see some numbers.
11-07-2010, 09:57 AM
FlanK3r

mats: amd IS NOT iNTEL, DO U NOT REMEMBER AT FIRST tHUBANS BENCHAMRKS? EVERY YEAR IS IT HARDER AND HARDER, THUBAN RESULTS WAS ABOUT 14 DAYS BEFORE LAUNCH, LOOK AT AMD GRAPHIC CARDS, DO U KNOW NOW ABOUT HD6900 ABOUT REAL PERFORMANCE? OR SIMILLARY SITUATION BEFORE YEAR WITH HD5000 ?? OR LAST DAYS BEFORE HD6800 LAUNCH? FIRST EBCHMARKS LEAKED ABOUT 10 DAYS BEFORE NDA.
11-07-2010, 10:03 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by informal

Introducing SB EP,with massive 20MBs of L3 :p:

they DO have a large cache option... but its not the default config...

the basic sb config has the same l2 size and a SMALLER l3 than bloomfield...
but they reworked the cache structure and try to make it more efficient... whether it is idk, but i guess so... and again they didnt use their transistor budget on copy pasting more cache into the chip, but used it on logic, smarter power management, integrated a gpu, added avx etc...
11-07-2010, 10:42 AM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPQY

Ahh JF..i'am happy to read that ;)

Like i said before..so long i don't see any chess result i never buy a new system!
Intel or AMD can come with so many charts from there own benchmarks..they are useless for a customer with his daily program!

Don't get me wrong..they are all interesting..but useless to know if these new cpu's from Intel or AMD will be better for Chess!

JP.

chess benchmark ???? what for ???

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Originally Posted by freeloader

What about a cache miss?

maybe bulldozer will have something to help with that ... since we dont know too much ... how will the amount of cache make sense to anyone ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

they DO have a large cache option... but its not the default config...

the basic sb config has the same l2 size and a SMALLER l3 than bloomfield...
but they reworked the cache structure and try to make it more efficient... whether it is idk, but i guess so... and again they didnt use their transistor budget on copy pasting more cache into the chip, but used it on logic, smarter power management, integrated a gpu, added avx etc...

so amd copy pasted more cache and did nothing else to bulldozer???

share your info mate id like to know more about bulldozer before anyone else
11-07-2010, 10:48 AM
JPQY

Very simple..it's my daily program!
11-07-2010, 11:19 AM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by JPQY

Very simple..it's my daily program!

that didnt really tell me how a chess benchmark could do something on the daily part of your life ....
11-07-2010, 11:23 AM
Stukov

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Originally Posted by Mats

What do you mean?:confused:

There is saaya and there is sayaa. Different people.
11-07-2010, 11:31 AM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by Stukov

There is saaya and there is sayaa. Different people.

huh ... so 2 sayaa ????

i hope both dont have the same avatar

LOL
11-07-2010, 11:39 AM
Chumbucket843

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Introducing SB EP,with massive 20MBs of L3 :p:

ps For the record,I see nothing wrong in big caches.

slower and worse perf/mm2;)
11-07-2010, 11:57 AM
hatter

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

I am not a client guy, but if you buy without knowing what both sides are really delivering then you take the risk. It's your call.

It cuts both ways. I am also taking a very heavy risk if I wait for a new processor from AMD to build my rig without having even an iota of knowledge about the product or even specific month of launch. Especially, when we know that Bulldozer was supposed to launch in 2009. wasn't it?

The problem is that AMD is the only competitor of Intel and unfortunately we have pretty good idea about how Intel's next CPU is going to turn out. You can't keep enthusiasts, most of whom in fact care about AMD, in dark and just give them empty words to cling on. Intel is a tough beast to compete with but more secrecy from you guys doesn't really inspire confidence.

I sincerely hope some solid info is coming next week... no performance data but at least a working chip shown in public and a specific launch schedule.
11-07-2010, 12:09 PM
Aberration

If you are an enthusiast who cares about AMD, then you would understand why they must keep performance quiet until the right time.
11-07-2010, 12:11 PM
jakefalcons

idk why you guys just don't give up on getting performance data for now. amd wants to hold their cards close to their chests. most people wait till launch to gauge 2 equivalent platforms, then make an informed decision. amd will not lose out on much sales by keeping information as long as possible on performance and really look at their track record the last 3 or 4 years the more quite they are the better the part tends to be ;) just wait for the chip to come out guys and stop begging for benches as of now. they'll come when they come. I cant wait either :P but i understand amds position im gonna be upgrading sometime within the next year and i hope amd can compete or i might go intel for the first time :(
11-07-2010, 12:19 PM
hatter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aberration

If you are an enthusiast who cares about AMD, then you would understand why they must keep performance quiet until the right time.

No, I don't. When a company is low on trust among the people who care about it, it can't just sit and think that bad times will pass. As I said earlier, I don't have confidence in AMD anymore unless I see some chips in action. And no, I am not an Intel fanboy. In fact, I am biased towards AMD because it's the underdog.

In technology, not only it is important to have market share (something AMD never had) but also mind share (something which allows AMD to compete against Intel and something that it has lost badly on CPU side of things).

If they really have goodies in store, they ought to show them. Just a peak of it or they should go back to labs and work and not give false hopes of a magical CPU with a "radically-different architecture".
11-07-2010, 12:53 PM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

they DO have a large cache option... but its not the default config...

the basic sb config has the same l2 size and a SMALLER l3 than bloomfield...
but they reworked the cache structure and try to make it more efficient... whether it is idk, but i guess so... and again they didnt use their transistor budget on copy pasting more cache into the chip, but used it on logic, smarter power management, integrated a gpu, added avx etc...

Dude we are talking about 8 and 16 core products here.AMD's 8 core chip will have less total cache than intel's 8 core SB EP.No matter how you try to turn this around it doesn't fit the story that AMD somehow throws huge caches at problems while intel is sooo nice investing in logic improvements.That's just BS. AMD's 8 core orochi will have a less "per core" cache if you will,then intels SB EP (8 core) : 2MB/ core Vs 2.75MB / core.

Orochi 2module/4 core will have 8MB of total cache(4MB L2 + 4MB L3),again,less or equal total cache than SB 4C/8T models without iGPU.
11-07-2010, 01:51 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatter

It cuts both ways. I am also taking a very heavy risk if I wait for a new processor from AMD to build my rig without having even an iota of knowledge about the product or even specific month of launch. Especially, when we know that Bulldozer was supposed to launch in 2009. wasn't it?

The problem is that AMD is the only competitor of Intel and unfortunately we have pretty good idea about how Intel's next CPU is going to turn out. You can't keep enthusiasts, most of whom in fact care about AMD, in dark and just give them empty words to cling on. Intel is a tough beast to compete with but more secrecy from you guys doesn't really inspire confidence.

I sincerely hope some solid info is coming next week... no performance data but at least a working chip shown in public and a specific launch schedule.

enthusiast are 1% of the market .... get real dude ... jf-amd isnt working for the client side first of all and 2nd of all even so he wouldnt spill details before his boss tell him to do so .... he has teams of lawyers who go through everything before he can say anything about a product ... its for corporate reasons .... so wait or go intel .. its as simple as that ..... and no begging will change the situation

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatter

No, I don't. When a company is low on trust among the people who care about it, it can't just sit and think that bad times will pass. As I said earlier, I don't have confidence in AMD anymore unless I see some chips in action. And no, I am not an Intel fanboy. In fact, I am biased towards AMD because it's the underdog.

In technology, not only it is important to have market share (something AMD never had) but also mind share (something which allows AMD to compete against Intel and something that it has lost badly on CPU side of things).

If they really have goodies in store, they ought to show them. Just a peak of it or they should go back to labs and work and not give false hopes of a magical CPU with a "radically-different architecture".

LOL please mate ... get real ... amd hold their cards secretly so they can amaze us at the last minute .. theyve been doing it sincethe last couple of years and its been working nicely ... give em a break ... your part of a 1% of total sales market ...

be glad they even develop parts for our market ....
11-07-2010, 02:11 PM
hatter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

enthusiast are 1% of the market .... get real dude ... jf-amd isnt working for the client side first of all and 2nd of all even so he wouldnt spill details before his boss tell him to do so .... he has teams of lawyers who go through everything before he can say anything about a product ... its for corporate reasons .... so wait or go intel .. its as simple as that ..... and no begging will change the situation

LOL please mate ... get real ... amd hold their cards secretly so they can amaze us at the last minute .. theyve been doing it sincethe last couple of years and its been working nicely ... give em a break ... your part of a 1% of total sales market ...

be glad they even develop parts for our market ....

Yeh, like Phenom and Phenom II and Thuban... all of which pales in comparison to competitor's products.

First of all, I am not asking JF-AMD to spill reveal trade secrets. It's a not a personal conversation. But yes, I would like AMD (don't care if it comes through JF-AMD or an official press release) to tell us a little more about BD.

I know what corp comm is and I know what lawyers do. i also know pretty well what trade secrets are. But there is a reason why marketing and PR exists. Unfortunately, I don't see AMD using either of them. Mostly it's just stupid promises. Llano in Q4, 2010, Fusion in early 2010, BD in 2009... everything has been promised.

As far as your 1% is concerned, sadly that's all AMD has. Such is the hold of Intel that out there in the market, AMD won't survive if it's not for the 1%. At least, not in desktops.
11-07-2010, 02:16 PM
kuroikenshi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

be glad they even develop parts for our market ....

Otherwise we'd see ColecoVision2010 as the main enthusiast product.... bench some coleco dammit!!
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
11-07-2010, 02:35 PM
Dimitriman

I wish people would stop whining. Intel releases perf. numbers cause they have nothing to lose by doing so and because sb is only 2 months away. so come back in january asking for bd numbers and then you can actually say that amd is doing diff than intel.
Intel did NOT release benches 6 months pre sb and neither will amd so quit whining.
11-07-2010, 02:38 PM
Sn0wm@n

even if they pale in performance they still have a good pricing point ... so its not a total fail ....

and amd only has 1% of the total market???

LOLLz
11-07-2010, 03:50 PM
generics_user

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatter

Yeh, like Phenom and Phenom II and Thuban... all of which pales in comparison to competitor's products.

First of all, I am not asking JF-AMD to spill reveal trade secrets. It's a not a personal conversation. But yes, I would like AMD (don't care if it comes through JF-AMD or an official press release) to tell us a little more about BD.

I know what corp comm is and I know what lawyers do. i also know pretty well what trade secrets are. But there is a reason why marketing and PR exists. Unfortunately, I don't see AMD using either of them. Mostly it's just stupid promises. Llano in Q4, 2010, Fusion in early 2010, BD in 2009... everything has been promised.

As far as your 1% is concerned, sadly that's all AMD has. Such is the hold of Intel that out there in the market, AMD won't survive if it's not for the 1%. At least, not in desktops.

there is so much wrong in this post it ain't even funny...
11-09-2010, 07:18 AM
FlanK3r

how time is it in California now? Im waiting at AMD analyst webcast....
11-09-2010, 07:45 AM
delasneo

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

how time is it in California now? Im waiting at AMD analyst webcast....

FlanK3r please show me the link to webcast

I also want to see this broadcast.
11-09-2010, 07:49 AM
marten_larsson

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Originally Posted by delasneo

FlanK3r please show me the link to webcast

I also want to see this broadcast.

Here it is:
http://www.thomson-webcast.net/us/di...6ee9411c6eb0f5
11-09-2010, 07:50 AM
FlanK3r

http://www-waa-akam.thomson-webcast....6ee9411c6eb0f5
11-09-2010, 08:09 AM
natty

April is pretty late. I hope the performance is amazing.
11-09-2010, 09:33 AM
ajaidev

Flash 400k is not working for me? The Windows 300K is best and works ok...
11-09-2010, 09:55 AM
crazydiamond

they just showed task manager w/ 8 cores :D
11-09-2010, 10:00 AM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazydiamond

they just showed task manager w/ 8 cores :D

bulldozer es benchmark on the web soon ? :D
11-09-2010, 10:00 AM
ajaidev

hey did they say cayman for 2011 or just the Bulldozer??

I hope cayman comes on 22nd
11-09-2010, 10:01 AM
crazydiamond

no benchmark, they just had a video playing & the taskmanager window up. said it had cayman gpu too.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i8...n2/zambezi.png
11-09-2010, 10:01 AM
ajaidev

coffee break take 5
11-09-2010, 10:02 AM
ubuntu83

2012 highend client side Buildozer will have builtin GPU interesting.
11-09-2010, 10:04 AM
ajaidev

everyone knew bulldozer will have a APU next to next year not really surprising...
11-09-2010, 10:07 AM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

everyone knew bulldozer will have a APU next to next year not really surprising...

2-4 core bobcat 2012, 10-20 core server cpus 2012, cpu refresh every year from now on (same pace as intel, about time)
11-09-2010, 10:20 AM
Oliverda

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roadmaps so far
11-09-2010, 10:20 AM
ubuntu83

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaidev

everyone knew bulldozer will have a APU next to next year not really surprising...

But the Big question is how much powerfull will be the Gpu part of it?
11-09-2010, 10:23 AM
radaja

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazydiamond

they just showed task manager w/ 8 cores :D

god i hope they do more than just a task manager shot showing 8 cores:shakes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

bulldozer es benchmark on the web soon ? :D

i really hope they show at least some benchmark to get a teaser on performance and not the usual task manager shot,just to say "see 8 cores":shrug:

terramar looks awesome:D
11-09-2010, 10:24 AM
crazydiamond

it has been known for how long now that no performance info (ie benchmark) will be given out today?
11-09-2010, 10:25 AM
informal

Just in,Q2 for desktop! Q3 is server!

Where is terrace now and his 2012 prediction? :D
11-09-2010, 10:26 AM
Manicdan

the server gets 20 cores and desktop only gets 8
its just not fair.....
or it means we might see a 10 core version
11-09-2010, 10:26 AM
generics_user

http://www.abload.de/img/bd18sn9.jpg

Bulldozer desktop in Q2 2011 :D

core seems to be ahead of schedule and server validation takes too long so we get it before the server guys

BD refresh 2012, next gen 2013

http://www.abload.de/img/bd25h20.jpg
11-09-2010, 10:27 AM
ajaidev

was about to post that gen :D
11-09-2010, 10:28 AM
iMacmatician

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

roadmaps so far

I'm (pleasantly?) surprised at the presence of Fusion in the entire client space for 2012, even the high-end desktop (Komodo appears to extend higher than Zambezi… interesting, I wonder what its TDP will be).

Good to see Bobcat is going down into the tablet space, I'm liking the progress in the roadmap.
11-09-2010, 10:29 AM
radaja

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazydiamond

it has been known for how long now that no performance info (ie benchmark) will be given out today?

but what about hope:D
11-09-2010, 10:29 AM
Oliverda

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As I predicted earlier. The desktop parts will come earlier like we saw with Nehalem.:up:
11-09-2010, 10:29 AM
ubuntu83

Dresdenboys NG Bulldozer prediction was also right 2013 for that.
11-09-2010, 10:30 AM
crazydiamond

q2 sounds good to me :) already got money set aside for flagship cpu + mobo :D
11-09-2010, 10:31 AM
informal

250 days from tape out to production in Bobcat case! That's like giant accomplishment with a whole new CPU core on the same die with a GPU core on a 3rd player foundry process!
11-09-2010, 10:32 AM
Manicdan

Quote:

Originally Posted by iMacmatician

I'm (pleasantly?) surprised at the presence of Fusion in the entire client space for 2012, even the high-end desktop (Komodo appears to extend higher than Zambezi… interesting, I wonder what its TDP will be).

Good to see Bobcat is going down into the tablet space, I'm liking the progress in the roadmap.

i pray for atleast 200W TDP,
that will offer some insane damage when it comes to advanced turbo features
however such a sized chip might be too big for yields. however with everything being multicored it might just have 10% disabled and the rest working just fine
11-09-2010, 10:40 AM
informal

Chuck Moore confirms that Llano's and probably Ontario's GPUs will work together with discrete GPUs to accelerate application.I suppose games fit in the group as well ;). Pair Llano with 5570 or similar card and get 800+ SP equivalent discrete card performance :).
11-09-2010, 10:43 AM
ajaidev

Webcast dead :( video is black and voice is bad

Flash 100/400 are totally dead WMV has only audio?
11-09-2010, 10:44 AM
informal

Voice is back on,video has some problems.I still get the slides.
11-09-2010, 10:45 AM
FlanK3r

but i love it :), uuaaaa
11-09-2010, 10:53 AM
ajaidev

http://i56.tinypic.com/20h6mo9.jpg

llano prototype was finished first than bobcat based cpu's were prototyped
11-09-2010, 11:00 AM
ajaidev

http://i51.tinypic.com/2ywh101.jpg
11-09-2010, 11:15 AM
ubuntu83

Zacate / Ontario PRODUCTS JANUARY 2K11

Llano PRODUCTS EARLY Q2 2K11

bulldozer PRODUCTS LATE Q2 2K11
11-09-2010, 11:17 AM
informal

Dark Mayor :) said BD for desktop in Summer time.So I guess AMD will launch it in April or May and one can buy products in May or June.
11-09-2010, 11:18 AM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by ubuntu83

Zacate / Ontario PRODUCTS JANUARY 2K11

Llano PRODUCTS EARLY Q2 2K11

bulldozer PRODUCTS LATE Q2 2K11

where did you get the early Q2 for Llano from?
11-09-2010, 11:21 AM
ubuntu83

Quote:

Originally Posted by generics_user

where did you get the early Q2 for Llano from?

Dirk said Q2 for Llano so that maybe early Q2 or April and Summer for Bulldozer so that means May/June.
11-09-2010, 11:24 AM
Oliverda

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Dark Mayor :) said BD for desktop in Summer time.So I guess AMD will launch it in April or May and one can buy products in May or June.

He said Q2 for Llano and summer time for BD, so I think that the Llano will come in April or May and the (desktop) BD will be launched in June maybe on Computex.
11-09-2010, 11:27 AM
ubuntu83

28nm High/k gate first so that means GF ??
11-09-2010, 11:30 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

He said Q2 for Llano and summer time for BD, so I think that the Llano will come in April or May and the (desktop) BD will be launched in June maybe on Computex.

Well if it's Q2 it has to be in before June or in June,the latest :).
11-09-2010, 11:31 AM
Olivon

Dirk said no benchmarks for bulldo ! :D
11-09-2010, 12:40 PM
FlanK3r

thats mean something :-) ...
11-09-2010, 01:40 PM
JF-AMD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olivon

Dirk said no benchmarks for bulldo ! :D

What, you listen to him but not me? I've been telling everyone that for a year.
11-09-2010, 01:44 PM
kuroikenshi

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

What, you listen to him but not me? I've been telling everyone that for a year.

lol maybe people have selective reading???
;)
11-09-2010, 02:14 PM
geo

Q2 2011 Financial Cal= Jan- March 2011 Real world Cal ?
11-09-2010, 02:44 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manicdan

i pray for atleast 200W TDP,
that will offer some insane damage when it comes to advanced turbo features
however such a sized chip might be too big for yields. however with everything being multicored it might just have 10% disabled and the rest working just fine

but the modules are said to be smaller then 2 normal cores according to what jf-amd allready said a couple of times .. so smaller cores might leave some die space for that .. + the die shrink with a new node ... it might work out just fine ... especially the improved bd core part of it :D
11-09-2010, 03:09 PM
JF-AMD

On server we will have the same TDPs as today.
11-09-2010, 09:12 PM
qcmadness

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

250 days from tape out to production in Bobcat case! That's like giant accomplishment with a whole new CPU core on the same die with a GPU core on a 3rd player foundry process!

TSMC's 40nm is an "established" process although it has yield / power issues.:D

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