Weird, I had a higher whetstone @ 3.2Ghz/2600 NB/1333 ram cas6
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Weird, I had a higher whetstone @ 3.2Ghz/2600 NB/1333 ram cas6
I didn't change anything at NB or RAM. In additon I had all my normal stuff running in the background as that's just the environment BOINC will run in.
yeah it is, but I think most people run the benchmark on a clean system just like any other to remove variables, maybe give it a shot with a restart
It is almost impossible to figure out the actual PPD from WCG stats. If I add up the separate points generated it is over 20K but they are calculating PPH and PPD from when I 1st registered not when started crunching.
Just take the Granted Points from some results, divide them by the time you needed for them to complete and then multiply them with 24 x 6 x 7. (24 hours, 6 cores, 1boinc = 7 WCG)
If you click "My statistics" then click "Device Statistics" and select the right computer from the list, it should give you a point total per day for the last 14 days. You can have it show up to the last 365 days if u select it at the bottem. Hope this helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaganII
I took my Uptime and subtracted 7 hrs (last update) and divided Points generated by that.
638 PPH
15,073 PPD
I can't use their time. They think I started 5 days ago.
Wouldn't just updating from Ubuntu 9.10 to 10.4 give him the newer kernel without having to figure out a manual compile? Have you run 'top' to make sure all 6 cores are at 100% (reads as 99)? Anyone tested with a kill-a-watt to see how the X6 draws in WCG compared to a 920/930?
Yeah I did check that with top Paladin they were all loaded. As for the ubuntu 10.4 update, If D_As' offer still stands I'd like some help learning how to compile a custom kernel anyway. I had thought about just updating to 10.4 . I may yet when I go back to overclock this rig. For now I just want it on for supercomputer week.
Also, I manually inserted the k10temp module and the temp reading seems to be working properly now. its running ~ 34c loaded.
I havent put in a full day with my 1090T yet as Ive played around with overclocking it and now undervolting it but so far it looks to be good for well over 20k at stock.
Its only been on for 3 days none fulltime thus far and Ive had a couple of task go to the invalid bin :( from my overclocking.
Too weak of a motherboard to oc on, Biostar TA785G3, so Ive undervolted it to 1.3v and the temps are at 40c on a Zerotherm BTF90.
Its on Win7x64 running Boinc 64bit. At the end of today I should have some good numbers from it.
Heres some very inconclusive results also..
as you can see the Quad @ 3.6 has generated double the points in double the time..
*No errors or invalids have been reported in my stats, is that the only place I can check if reuslts have been dumped?
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9462/92239757.png
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How do i translate this into BOINC pts? just x 6 or whatever it is?
Don't worry, results take time to validate. Plus, it's only been a day. Wait for about a week before averaging your points.Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
Don
My X6 did 21,936 today, but yesterday it was running at 3.6Ghz until around 1600 PST. It's running at 3.2Ghz now.
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3...wcgresults.jpg
I'll keep checking it as the week progresses.
isn't that over 7 days? (sorry if that's a stupid Q, still noobed @ WCG and points)
No, that's just what it reported for today(5-2-2010) so its not a great indication of what this is gonna average. I'm just reporting it so interested people can see what it's doing point-wise.
Those are your totals for all each of your machines.
Why does the date say 2/05/10? Is that a Euro-Aussie version with the day first?
No, my daily total for all machines was 48,776. I got the 21,936 from the device statistics section which itemizes point contributions from each host. And the date looks right to me in the pic (5-2-2010)
Edit - Just realized you might be talking to mAJORD about the results, sorry Sierra
No problem.:) I've never saw the date that way with the day first on the Device Statistics page. Also, I made a correction to my earlier post. Those are the totals for each machine, not just daily. To find out what each machine did today you need to click on the device name.
Yep, that's where I got it. I'm hoping for your 23k estimate tomorrow :)
You divide WCG points by 7 to get an approximate BOINC points. Multiply BOINC points by 7 to get approximate WCG pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
Yep, aussie date format ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
So i'm still confused..
Someguy's result is 21936 pts over 7 days of crunching = 3133 WCG pts / day?
No, the 21,936 is for today. The page you were showing are your totals for each machine, including today. To find out what your Phenom did today, you need to click on the device name for that machine. Another page will open up with similar columns, but only for that one computer.
No that's what it reported for today, the 2nd of may. The day before(the 1st of may) it returned 9k points, but that's because some work units needed to validate. 21,936 might be an anomaly, only time will tell. But it is not over 7 days, that is just for today, the 2nd, on the 1090T.
This might help you see it better, go to your "My Grid" page on WCG. On the left side of the screen you should see a "Device Statistics" button. When you click it, the page will show a list of all the devices currently returning work. Click the device that is your 1090T. It will go to a page which itemizes per day your WCG points returned.
doh.. sorry guys I confused Someguy1982's IMG as being the same page as the one i linked. :shakes:
thanks for clearing up.
mine's coming tomorrow, can't wait! but it'll be at least a day after that until i post results. oh did i mention, i cant wait! lol. it's been a while since i played with AMD
found out my AM3 is not compatible :brick:. i just wanted it up and running for the supercomputer week, now it's just sitting here. to get it working on the mobo, does that mean i have to buy a cheap am2 chip to flash first? best option is probably to just get another mobo :mad:
Yep, seems like display format adjusts automatically, depending on where the member in question lives :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Here's mine, for example - German format :D
Wow, I have got to turn HT on for my i7. At 4.2ghz HT off it produces the same heat as around 3.9ghz HT on. It made almost no difference when I was folding and I had been gaming a lot so I always had it off.
I have only been hitting 20,064.87 PPD :shakes:
On a Core i7, HT on boosts WCG performance by about 40% over HT off - so yeah, turn it on, even if you have to back down the clocks a little.
have we decided which one gives more ppd/watt? i7 or thuban?
I have only had my X6 running for two days and it is only clocked at 3.8 :D but it is pumping out the WU's nicely :up:
I'd say clock for clock the 920 just edges it in ppd but the X6 runs a lot cooler...
:2cents:
right i get that it the i7 edges it out and all that but i'm concerned about the power each platform uses. i'll trade a few ppd for a less power usage if that turns out to be the case
Well that is just the thing....
The X6 uses a higher vcore (1.36v @ 3.8) vs the 920 (1.18 @ 3.8) but it definitely pushes out less heat....
Conclusion: Slightly higher power consumption for the X6 but a cooler farm :)
that may not be the case since they're different platforms. AMD generally has a higher vcore reading from cpuz, but that doesn't guarantee it to have a higher power consumption. if it runs cooler, logically it should have a lower power consumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
dam i wish i had mine running :(. i picked the wrong AM3 mobo, and now both my thuban and mobo is sitting doing nothing.
All power use eventually turns to heat so that's not possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
Yes it is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by accord99
The only possibility is that the X6 is more efficient (less heat output).
I know.
I was suprised too!
You can have a higher voltage but lower power usage. Higher voltage does not directly equal more power consumption.
Voltage X Ampage = Power consuption (Wattage)
The x6 might need more volts but not as many amps!
What they said ;)
I am running both setups, albeit at different Mhz, but I think that if they are at the same Mhz and the ram and other items were the same it would be pretty damn close. From a cost stand point the AMD wins out since you can get a $60 MB with built in video and only have to use dual channel ram versus triple, so it can add up to quite a bit of upfront coin in savings going AMD. I think AMD is starting to get competitive again, although from a strictly performance stand point the I7 x58 is the top dog still, but the AMD platform is definitely one to consider on a budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
you can run dual channel with i7 too.ive got my i7-920 running
with the g.skill 2200 Pi's 1156 2x2Gb kit.
now that's the post i needed to read! thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
I'm getting a better idea of PPD production now after several days of running Bionic at stock speed +2600 NB. I registered a few days before running so I have to divide total points granted by uptime - time from last update.
Running 32 bit Bionic -sorry 'bout that
No errors, invalid, aborted or inconclusive.
Avg. 18,775 ppd WCG
Although 5-2-10 was 23,997 ppd
To put it in a nutshell, what's the verdict?
Early numbers have Thuban at ~6.7PPD/MHz while a Bloomfield/Lynnfield can do ~8.7PPD/MHz. Means a Thuban needs a 30% clock advantage to just match a Bloomfield/Lynnfield (with HT) :stick:
Factoring in power consumed and a Lynnfield+HT probably just dominates even more.
i saw an i7 860 on craigslist last night for $199. not a bad then huh?
Yeah ... depending on what's happened to it.
That was a 920 at stock 2.6Ghz, so if you leave it at stock and bump the 1090T (1055t) up to 3.3Ghz for the 30% advantage they would probably be about a tie both in output and power consumption. Then it comes down to overall cost and that's where I think AMD has the advantage. Yes, you can run the 920 with dual channel, but it was not designed for that and the cheapest MB that will run a x58 is $150 while the AMD is backwards compatible and you can get a MB for $60. The reality however is that the 920 can be overclocked to 4.2Ghz blindfolded which should give it a big lead based on your numbers and the 1090t or 1055t would have to be at 5.5Ghz to match it and that's not going to happen under water much less air. So I would say that from a pure output point the I7 920 definitely dominates, but it comes down to total cost, which is why I stated that the AMD has the advantage. For roughly $200 more than the AMD you can get into an I7 920/x58 setup, but that's still a lot of coin, especially right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Gotta wait for another while for the results to be averaged out. :)
Check i7 860 vs. 1090t....Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
i7 860 has the same perf as a 920 for crunching, but Lynnfield and P55 are thriftier than Bloomfield and X58 for power consumption. Lynnfield+HT is a sweet spot right now for PPD/watts/cost, IMO.
Thuban is a good improvement for AMD (afterall, clock-for-clock, a Clarkdale basically ties Deneb and does it at a fraction of the power), but a Lynnfield without HT can almost match it in overall production a day and consume less power (and arguably be as cheap as basic 1055t + AM3).
For WCG, AMD is simply behind.
i got my i7-870 setup but my graphics card doesnt work.im trying to buy another cheap
HD3450 and get it shipped overnight so i can add the 1156 machine to the crunchathon.
right now its either the 920 or the 870.but since ive already got WU's on the 920 machine
i cant switch now.man i want to have em both running right now.
You can quickly use the one working card you have to set up the 870 machine and then when you have it running you can then put the card back on the 920 and run the 870 without the gpu ;)
oh my god thats true.i dont need to see what its doing,as long as its just doing it,huh?
so i would just install boinc and then leave it to start when windows boots up.and before
i shut it down after getting it ready,just suspend the WU's and turn it off.take out the card
and just reboot?right?will that work?then trow the card back into the 920 and back in business.
or actually just do what im saying to the 920 and then use my 870 rig instead to crunch and
surf the web.so will it boot up with out a card installed?
running headless crunchers is a pretty common/popular thing here. some mobos will let you POST without a GPU, but some are really picky and you need something in there, although you don't necessarily need a monitor attached to that GPU attached. you don't have just an old cheap pci card? if not, i'd run to the nearest computer store and buy one, and return it a few days later. i'll leave the ethics of that to you. hurry! because crunchathon is almost over
i dont have a local store.and i only have one 3450 and a dead card.so i dont know if the X58A-UD3R
or the P55A-UD7 will boot without a card.so i will wait until someone can tell 100% for sure it will work
how many computers do you have? if you have at least two, then you can set up up remote desktop, or use VNC to connect to your crunching computer remotely. once you set that up, take out the video card, boot the machine, and if it successfully boot, then you should be able to connect to it remotely from the other computer. it should be crunching while it's on. then use the video card to set up your other cruncher :up:
i have two machines.one is crunching now.the other just needs boinc installed.
but will the second machine boot up without a card installed?
If you mean a video card, maybe. Some will, some won't. Personally I've never owned one that would, but there's people here that have said different of their rigs.
so where are these thuban-supporting, ddr2 supporting motherboards anyway? i don't see any on newegg..
i think ill just wait til i get another card then.thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by D_A
it's doesn't hurt to try...
Gigabyte MA78LM-SH2 is what I am currently running:Quote:
Originally Posted by shoota
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128408
oh man that price is tempting. did it need a bios flash or your X6 worked right away?
edit: i just checked Gigabyte's support site and they list the current 125W X6's as not officially supported but the 95W versions of those processors as supported since bios F7. I don't think the 95W cpus are even out yet are they?
Gigabyte is sometimes slow to update the support list on their website even if they have the support. Also, depending on the site you visit the list can be different (.com vs .com.tw vs .us)
Have we came to any conclusions yet? Vapor says its still more beneficial to go with an 860 and decent board over amd. about same price, less power and better results if I remember correctly? I am still kind of curious how the AMD's do in real world use along with wcg. I am tempted to buy a 1055T and good cheap mobo; not sure I want to drop $300 on the 1090T when an 860 is only $200 or i can just buy a cheap x58 board to play with my westmere till sr-2 releases
i'm surprised there's no definite conclusion yet. i finally got a compatible mobo with it, so i'll start putting it to work when i get home from work :D.
I have mine running @ stock. Once I get 7 days or so on it I'll share my results. so for it looks like 1055T @ stock = 20k. so easy math says if It were oc'd @ 4.0 ghz you'd be looking at ~ 27k. I am *hoping* to get a good board (its running on a 95w ecs mobo... has me SCARED..) and then get it on phase :) I wanna see > 30k.
you should be able to get more than 27k at 4.0 if its getting 20k stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhqwhgads6680
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Originally Posted by INFRNL
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Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
well i will have my i7-870 crunching soon so maybe that will help with the data.im in the process of switching the WCing out and waiting for the 5870.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhqwhgads6680
I have a lot of validations pending over the last week because i swapped projects to try and get badges. I'll post data when things start to smooth out. Right now its 1 day it does 20k+ the next it does 12k. this is a 1090 at 3.2. If it performs and scales anything like a deneb I'm guestimating about 21k, but this is yet to be seen...
Ideally you want a couple of weeks crunching a consistent project mix to get a stable score, but one week should get you in the ballpark, so to speak.
i just installed mine and tried OC'ing it. either i have a really lame chip or i need to learn to OC it first. it's only at 3.2ghz and vcore lower than 1.47v will crash. NB volts is 1.2v (auto). if i raise the vNB, should i be able to lower vcore? can i have a ballpark number for all my voltages to hit 3.6ghz?
on stock cooler... Probably 1.4-1.45v for 3.6ghz if it can handle the heat. Something sounds wrong though on yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
Thinking about picking up a 1055T to replace my 3.6ghz AthlonIIX2
ok i messed around with my new x6 a little bit, and found out the reason for ridiculous vcore with such low clocks was because my memory, and also the NB and HT voltage. i did not test for stability much, only ran 3 loops of linx at 3.57ghz and started crunching with it. power consumption with WCG is 187w for 3.57ghz, compared to my i7 920 at 192w for 3.8ghz. looks like i7 wins in speed/power ratio.
i still suck at OC'ing AMD chips so can someone let me know if i should set something lower or higher for optimal speed and power draw? what is the max safe for each voltage to crunch with? here's what i set mine to:
speed: 255 x 14 = 3.57ghz
vcore: 1.39v in cpuz
NBv: 1.26v
HTv: 1.26v
no way stock cooler lol, right now it's on a copper TRUE with a low speed fan, temps around 65C loaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peen
edit, i was not thining clearly:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
also can everyone posting results please post what project they are running? I kind of want to try thuban just for fun. From my conclusions the 1055T could potentially be a better buy. I have seen many at 4ghz.
production shouild be equal between 1055T & 1090T at same clocks. 1090T only offers unloced multiplier and possibly a better chance of higher clocks.
I would like to see somepne post a weeks worth of results for HCC & HFCC.
an 860 should be on par with a 920. my 920@4ghz can range from mid 20's on bad day to around 40k ppd. on avg I would say in the 30's. I will also need to play around. I hear lower multipliers 2 same clocks should result in more production.
how do i setup remote desktop?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
i have my 920 running with vista x64
my i7-870 with win 7 x64
i have two video cards now but only one monitor at the moment.
so if i fire up the i7-920 and start WCG and unplug the monitor
and let it just crunch away,how do i connect them with remote
desktop to be able to control the i7-920 rig with my i7-870 rig?
any help would be greatly appreciated,because like i said im good
with the hardware i just suck at software side of things:rolleyes:
and what is VCN?
radaja, you can use windows default remote desktop, realVNC, or ultra VNC. i recommend ultra VNC, it's by far the easiest remote desktop application and runs right after you install, no need for tweaks to your router, firewall, or any port forwarding.
DL and install the complete package here to both machines, then on your machine you want to control, install the server. do this same thing from the computer that you're using to control the other machine, but open the VNC viewer instead, and just type in the local IP of the computer to be controlled. that's all there is to it :up:
thank you WhiteFireDragon,i'll be up and running in no time
so you got it up and running, yeah?
not yet.but im working on it.
EDIT:success!!! its crunching and im controlling it from my i7-870 rig!
thanks for the help and link for ultra VNC WhiteFireDragon,your the man:up:
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Originally Posted by Fhqwhgads6680
My 1055t is running 4ghz. I don't have it running exactly 24/7, due to gaming and benching, but I am getting 27000 a day even with that little down time.Quote:
Originally Posted by stangracin3
great! always nice to see 1 more cruncher up and running :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
mine is at 3.7ghz, dedicated cruncher running 24/7, and it's only getting 22-23k/day :(. this seems a little low? would output increase if i raised the HT or the NB frequency?Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
Well, mine is @3,6 ,too and does the same amount of PPD. So don't worry.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
If I am calculating this correctly 4014.52(boinc) x7 = 28,101.64(WCG)Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
my settings are
4.05ghz 1.47v (overvolts .1)
2400NB 1.15v
1600 cas 8
2400HT
300HT Ref
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/CrossHair...points-day.jpg
thats looking very good for AMD, definately close to an intel; especially for the price:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
still need more results though. I might have to give in and test it for myself
Sorry if the answer to my question is already answered here, I've skipped through the thread (i know, i know, naughty me)
Has anyone tried comparing these two under a 64-bit linux distro? I would be interested to know how much the gap closes or whether roles are reversed...
bump if anyone has any updatess on ppd for a phenom II X6
highest ive got is 28k with it at 3.5GHz with 2500 NB bumped it to 3.75 GHz and 2700 NB
3.7ghz/2ghz NB/2ghz HT/1600mhz 99924 RAM/Win7x86=~22-23K PPD as seen below
I ran 4ghz 2.8ghz NB for awhile the improved NB/RAM doesnt improve anything from my observations. On a full 6 day run got ~25k at 4ghz on Win7x64.
Still just 1ppd/mhz/core for AMD
ah i had results several months ago, just never posted them, so here they are if anyone is still interested:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...Ccrunching.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...zcrunching.png
amd x6 @ 3.7ghz
21k PPD
195w
i7 @ 3.7ghz
28k PPD
165w
i basically had the lowest voltage possible at 3.7ghz for both, all other parameters the same except CPU and motherboard (the PSU, memory, OS, BOINC, etc all the same). the i7 wins by a large lead in both power consumption and PPD. does anyone have any results where the X6 has higher output under similar paramters as your i7's?
CPU @ 3.75 @ 1.37 volts 300 * 12.5
CPU-NB @ 2700 @ 1.35 (could prolly lower volts, but that means stability testing again)
i got just over 23k per day WCG
ive now bumped it to 3.9 GHz @ 1.42 volts 300 * 13
will report back in a few days
EDIT: about 5-6 hours into wcg it crashed
set back down to 3.8 now
304 * 12.5
bumped up the NB a bit to
Damn, that is even worse than I had calculated... now image you are running Intel Hexas like TRN's or my L5640's... they don't draw more power but put out 50% more than a Bloomfield i7... 42k @ 170W vs. 21k @ 196W :(Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
I do hope Bulldozer is gonna be a real success for crunching. Just sold my last two AMD rigs with the 3800+ X2 getting too old for HTPC duties and the QUad Opteron drawing too much power - I really want to have an AMD again in the mix.