Asus' 2GB Radeon HD 5870 Matrix card pictured

I really want to see how Xfire 5770s compare to a single 5870 and GTX 480 with Tesselation.

On ATI cards, the tesselator function is fixed on all the HD 5000 cards, which is why the 5800s arent doing so good with it on. Two 5770s have more tesselation power than a single 5870, and the same as a 5970.

This is one strong reason why paying for anything more than a 5850 from the current ATI lineup is a total waste. Regardless of how high the max FPS are without tesselation, once tesselation is being used, the 5870 = a 5770 on the minimum FPS.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

I really want to see how Xfire 5770s compare to a single 5870 and GTX 480 with Tesselation.

On ATI cards, the tesselator function is fixed on all the HD 5000 cards, which is why the 5800s arent doing so good with it on. Two 5770s have more tesselation power than a single 5870, and the same as a 5970.

This is one strong reason why paying for anything more than a 5850 from the current ATI lineup is a total waste. Regardless of how high the max FPS are without tesselation, once tesselation is being used, the 5870 = a 5770 on the minimum FPS.

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http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...arrives,4.html

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...arrives,4.html

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OMG WOW, 2x 5770 = GTX480 power for £240!

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Originally Posted by Andrew LB

Many of the DX11 titles currently available were developed using ATi hardware and capabilities since nVidia was just a little late to the party. In upcoming games you'll be sure to see much higher levels of tessellation available in game settings which Fermi cards can utilize to greatly enhance image quality while keeping playable frame rates.

Yes... I know it's not a game, but nobody can deny how powerful Fermi is when it comes to levels of tessellation much higher than currently used in retail games.

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As a current owner of a GTX285 and former owner of HD4870, I'm definitely going to wait for both companies to refresh their current cards. nV definitely needs to work out its heat and power issues through a refinement of TSMC's process... and I'm sure a more mature .40nm process would be of benefit to ATi and allow for less heat and higher clocks.

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From what I understand, nVidia's cards have X amount of "poly-use" units. Those "poly-use" units can be used for a variety of things, including tessellation. In a benchmark like Heaven, which is very heavy on the Tessellation aspect, many of the X number of "poly-use" units can be utilized, for example 70% of them. However, in real-life games (as opposed to the tessellation-oriented Heaven), tessellation is less than 70% of what needs to be put on the screen, so <70%, say for example, only 30% of the "poly-use" units will be dedicated to tessellation. Thus, tessellation performance will be lower than shown in the Heaven benchmark.

ATI's implementation is different. They have a fixed number of units that perform tessellation, so in all scenarios where tessellation is used, performance will generally be the same.

This is my understanding so far. Please fix if incorrect.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

OMG WOW, 2x 5770 = GTX480 power for £240!

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updated nvidia drivers will correct this so dont get yur hopes up to much, but still pretty impressive

Even once nV drivers mature, they are unlikely to offer more than...10% average maximum? so thats still a 10% boost on average for £200 more. Still not a good deal

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

updated nvidia drivers will correct this so dont get yur hopes up to much, but still pretty impressive

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Yes! Drivers will also lower 4xx power usage to 200w and 10w idle. Also it will be after two driver updates (6 months of driver developement wasnt enough to take care of child diseases) the promised 60% faster. In three months drivers will enable full 512 shaders for 480!

......Or not.

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

updated nvidia drivers will correct this so dont get yur hopes up to much, but still pretty impressive

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1050 / 1445 Mhz overclock says bring it on! :p:

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Originally Posted by bhavv

OMG WOW, 2x 5770 = GTX480 power for £240!

:rofl:

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:rolleyes: Yeah, crossfire always scales. I wouldn't touch crossfire again with a ten foot pole.

Thats like saying if you have a game (of which there are many) that dont benefit from a quad core CPU, you'll never buy a quad core ever again. Nor does Ram scale very well beyond 4 Gb, but you also have 8 Gb of that :).

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Originally Posted by bhavv

OMG WOW, 2x 5770 = GTX480 power for £240!

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Yeah...but the GTX 480 is worth WAY more points at the Bot :p:

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ASUS ROG Matrix HD5870 reaches 1525MHz
ASUS ROG Matrix 5870 finally did it, becoming the first Cypress-based graphics card to pass the magical 1500MHz border. During a bench-session this last weekend, Swedish overclocking masters and SMPC celebrities Marcus "Kinc" Hultin together with Jon "Elmor" Sandström pushed an ASUS, Kinc's employer by the way, Radeon HD5870 way past its stock specifications. The results were really impressive and for the first time, we've seen a graphics circuit running at above 1.5GHz.........

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http://www.nordichardware.com/en/com...s-1525mhz.html

^ill take 4
must be what Asus meant by 50% clock potential.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Thats like saying if you have a game (of which there are many) that dont benefit from a quad core CPU, you'll never buy a quad core ever again. Nor does Ram scale very well beyond 4 Gb, but you also have 8 Gb of that :).

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I've never seen the extra cores or ram cause negative scaling, or driver issues. I wasn't impressed with a 4870x2 compared to my GTX280 and I doubt that I would be impressed with a 5970 compared to a 5870. I didn't even bring up heat, power draw, and overclockability. Crossfire doesn't scale well a lot of the time and once you start throwing mods into the mix things get worse.

I will always pay more for a single gpu than for a similar performing (at times) multi gpu setup. The framerate swings are horrible.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

^ill take 4
must be what Asus meant by 50% clock potential.

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I can't believe that is Vantage stable. I want that card.

Any word on a release date? I want this as my new card :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by w00tz123

Any word on a release date? I want this as my new card :D :D :D

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im more worried about when i can get it for 300$, until then i dont care cause i still think everything we have out right now is overpriced horribly

Yes, prices do suck right now... but I still need a new card :p:

Don't mean to sound like a broken record here but when,where, and how much forl this card? I hope they get this card out quick seems these higher end cards get shipped out late in the GPU game after something else better comes along at a cheaper price.

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mhhh the voltage points suck... the walls of those via holes break really easily and then you cant meassure anymore :/

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A bit of Solder will solve that problem quite nicely.

Retail ASUS MATRIX 5870 PLATINUM - Exclusive First Look & Benchmark
http://vr-zone.com/articles/retail-a....html?doc=9073

ASUS Matrix HD 5870 2GB Platinum in stock. £408.99 inc VAT (£348.08 ex VAT)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=GX-226-AS

ASUS MATRIX 5870 Platinum Review
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/g...tinum_review/1

ASUS MATRIX 5870 Platinum vs Sapphire HD 5870 Toxic
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g..._5870_2048_mb/

ASUS MATRIX 5870 Platinum Review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-m...atinum-review/

ASUS MATRIX 5870 Platinum Review.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_5870_Matrix/

Reference is better than this for the money....imo

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Reference is better than this for the money....imo

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Yep.
Or could just get 5850. :)

There's a new bios in sapphire website "ONLY for P/N : 288-4E146-T01SA Other P/N cannot flash. The new bios only open the Options to adjust the core clock up to 1000 Mhz and memory clock up to 1300 Mhz in Catalyst Control Center"

Sadly still no way to overvolt the card, there's some talk on msi afterburner forums that this non reference cards don't have adjustable voltage regulators.. still not sure about it. Can get my 5850 to 925/1210 stable without hearing the card though :)

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ASUS MATRIX 5870 Platinum to hit EU stores next week?
Asus' first ROG (Republic of Gamers) series DirectX 11-supporting graphics card, the Matrix 5870 has been unveiled a couple of months ago but, as just announced, it will become available in European retail/e-tail next month, bearing a recommended price tag of €449.

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http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/h...ores-next-week

ASUS MATRIX 5870 Platinum Review
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/...eo_card_review

Radeon HD 5870 Shootout - When Juggernauts Clash

Reviewed in this roundup:-

* ASUS Matrix 5870 Platinum 2GB
* Gigabyte HD 5870 Super OC 1GB
* HIS HD 5870 iCooler V Turbo 1GB
* MSI R5870 Lightning 1GB
* PowerColor PCS++ HD 5870 1GB
* Sapphire Vapor-X HD 5870 2GB
* XFX HD 5870 XXX Edition 1GB

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/features/view/33995

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ASUS HD 5870 MATRIX Platinum: taking the fight to GTX 480
It's been a little quiet on the graphics-card front since NVIDIA released the GeForce 400-series roughly two months ago. ATI hasn't been perturbed by NVIDIA's newest GPUs and therefore is no rush to launch a new architecture or to lower prices on its Radeon 5-series cards.

Drilling down, ASUS is no stranger to having multiple SKUs for both companies' GPUs. Just peruse the catalogue and you're presented with no less than seven Radeon HD 5870s. Buying the right graphics card isn't as straightforward as it may seem on first glance.

As we're eight months into ATI's flagship architecture and a number of partners have released custom-designed cards, ASUS has now done the same with the £400 MATRIX Platinum. We take a look at the pre-overclocked card and make sense of it all.

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http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=24746

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ASUS HD 5870 MATRIX Platinum Review
With Gigabyte, MSI and Sapphire all releasing high-end, pre-overclocked HD 5870 cards, it was only a matter of time until ASUS joined in on the party. Released under the Republic of Gamers series, their HD 5870 Matrix comes in two flavors: a base model with a boatload of features and a Platinum Edition that adds an overclocked core into the mix. In this review we take a look at the flagship Platinum card and find out if its asking price of $500 is justified.....

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http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...on-review.html

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ASUS ROG Matrix 5870 Platinum Edition
The graphics market has for the longest time pretty much been dominated by AMD's offerings in the 5700 and 5800 series. However, nVidia is not dead, in fact, the Fermi-based graphics cards are poised to rekindle some of the "brand loyalty" that was based on the superior performance and corporate marketing of nVidia. In other words, don't sit on your ass just because the competition has had an unlucky streak. The best thing to do in that case is to create internal competition or fragmentation of the market through the channel partners that take a reference design, re-spin it to their liking based on cost, performance, noise suppression, features or any combination of the four mentioned parameters. The result is a variety of offerings that was never achieved when ATI still had their iron grip on the RADEON series and we don't miss those days where the main differentiator was the color of the heat sink anodizing.

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http://www.lostcircuits.com/mambo//i...id=84&Itemid=1

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Asus Matrix Radeon HD 5870 Graphics Card Review
The Asus Matrix Radeon HD 5870 is the kind of graphics card that likes to be noticed. If it were a person it’d be wearing the loudest shirt it could find and be driving the most expensive convertible car it could afford. Subtlety is a dirty word for the Asus Matrix HD 5870. We hope you like your graphics cards pimped.

Asus has really gone to town on the humble HD 5870, as the Matrix sports a factory overclock, 2GB of RAM and more enthusiast features than you can shake a stick at. The show starts with the cooler of the Matrix, which is moulded in an attractive sunburst design and trimmed in the traditional ATI red and black. It’s a chunky beast and feels solid and capable.

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http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...-card-review/1