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OK.... it predates the supreme...Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
However try this.
http://www.employees.org/~slf/WWReview/
But seriously can we stop saying people copyed stuff from other people.
Its getting really old fast.
Woah... i learned something new tho.. didnt think HK went back that far...
Hmmm...I'm thinking...should I take apart my HK block and cut a slot the same way as the 360 base? What benefit would this provide?
ur better off fixing the injector.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
If i remember correctly, everyone tells you to remove that injector because it serves no point.
Also makes rattling noises inside the block.
Your best fixing the injector so its better sealed and actually works.
You could try doing the silicone mod: http://www.skinneelabs.com/143.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
@Waterlogged
If you would be right how to explain my current block? ;)
http://www.abload.de/thumb/064_bildgrendernu2bc.jpg
My comment is seriously without any thought of german or european manufacturers. But I see both Heatkiller/EK/Koolance internals and the structure of Swiftech XT at the top of what is possible with those kind of internals @suitable costs. The excursion of "copy history" was just an explanation of what I wrote before and what was not believed in. And to be honest: I did not knew the White Water Waterblock before (btw: how old is it?), so I learned something new, too.
Koolance did a good job with the 360. You can love it or not. But the performance canīt be surprising, only +/- 1° worse or better than Heatkiller 3.0 and Supreme HF with restrictive channel plate.
Are you suggesting to remove the injector plate all together? Reasoning? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
I know about the silicone mod. Yet to try that. I wonder if the gasket silicone would work. I have a whole tube left over from re-doing some of the gaskets on my engine.
remove the accelerator plate? i would rather not...Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
And hence the reason why I am as :confused: as you are...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
when andy and others were testing the block i could of sworn they said to remove the plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
I could be wrong...
But i did hear that the plate did little to nothing on the HK..
Once again.. i could be wrong...
guess why ek and hk and koolance have em plates ....
one more indication: the main difference between Heatkiller LC and LT is the missing jet plate (at LC) - and the LT is at least 2° better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
I would surely not remove the jet plate. My little experience with the different jet plates of the Supreme HF show different temps up to 3° - so if you remove the jet plate of the Koolance completely you will lose an essential part of its performance (though the flow will increase significantly).
The removable part of the heatkiller is the small plastics inside the inlet:
http://www.abload.de/thumb/08.12.19002mediumtzm3.jpg
Anyway not provided with the CPU-360.
yep i also confirmed the effect of the jet plate :up:on the ek supreme
on the ek supreme,removing the plate hinders the performance...
It looks really good , i want to see the temps of it !
Hope this can come to Portugal soon , we got many addicts to watercooling now as well that like the new products :D
Looking to see some results lads, nothing heard for a sample :(
THX @ Tim :)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_4167cy6e.jpg
...you got mail
Any reviews yet?
We would encourage reviewers and users of the CPU-360 to try different mounting orientations. There can be a small performance difference for some processors depending on how the fins align with the core. I've not yet seen any data comparing nozzle outlet pointing down vs. up, though.
Tim
love the look of this block but cant fork out 80+ dollars
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
thanks for the clear up.
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Originally Posted by Koolance
Already messing with orientation, and so far i think its like the supreme.
So you want inlet in the middle, and the wash on the right, since the cpu is a rectangle with the long side going down.
I would need more time to play with it tho.
right or left ............. inlet in the middle: not working :wierd:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
the inlet on the block is the middle...Quote:
Originally Posted by JASSAF
The allignment of the plate is in a 90 degree of plane of the outlet.
So you want the outlet being on the right.
Im lost in what you mean on the inlet in the middle not working?
a closeup of the base (without photoshop) ... does anyone have it?Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
NaeKuh, see Attach: do you realy think itīs gonna work that way?
Now available at koolance.com: http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=978
:)
is photpshop .......... closeup one is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Metric
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/4...proto12.th.jpg
a super closeup: http://www.schwarz-muenchen.de/pics/Hk_3.0/100_1409.JPG
Hmm, I thought I saw it available there 4 days ago when Koolance announced it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Metric
u got the baseplate alligned wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by JASSAF
LOL...
Well i did in the picture... the injector is 90 degree's to the blocks cutting plane.
So flip your picture 90 degree's.
Oops, that's what I get for not reading the OP too closely :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandr0s
JASSAF, I'm not sure what you are referring to. Are you saying that the HK shot isn't real? I'm a little lost... :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by JASSAF
Jassaf you know it was discovered high fins on the block isnt important.
You want a thin base + surface area, that doesnt go too far from the base.
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Originally Posted by Metric
noooo ... I speak of 360: is photpshop
as i said u got the injector wrong.
You flipped it 90 degree's.
The injector dumps into that divit you see in the middle, the water gets spread out evenly on the pathway, and gets recycled at the end.
Look at my edits 3 posts up.
EDIT... ack look at it now.. lol... i need more coffee
NaeKuh, we are talking about the same thing......:rofl: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolance
i am talking about KOOLANCE post:different positions can me made. Just two (left and right).....thats why i posted that diagram:there are no more positions
oh so u mean shift the base plate and try it out?Quote:
Originally Posted by JASSAF
id think it would FLUNK, because your wash area is all messed up.
But i think i understand what your saying now..
JASSAF PATENT for baseplate №0000000000000000001 :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Pictures for the upcoming skinneelabs review! :D :D
http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...0_prodshot.jpg
http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im..._prodshot2.jpg
http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...odshot-amd.jpg
http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im..._baseplate.jpg
http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...internals1.jpg
http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...internals2.jpg
http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...-360_fins1.jpg
http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...-360_fins2.jpg
http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...-360_fins3.jpg
ETA for the review is a few weeks, the Supreme HF testing will be up by then too!
VAPOR: a closeupQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
tease!Quote:
Originally Posted by vapor
Great to hear that vapor has another review coming :)
I'm a ordering one even if its not top dog. Worst case I use it on another system and get an XT for my main rig
Need reviews or good opinions though...anyone
EDIT: Should have ordered yesterday so I could have it to stared at for the weekend; ordered one anyway
I'm a cheapskate but I also really want one, are any vendors selling this for less than what koolance already has it listed for? Hrmm, maybe koolance can give me a military discount! :)
ppc and sidewinder don't have it yet, and koolance doesn't provide usps shipment, only ups :(
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Originally Posted by nyeah
yeah UPS shipping costs are killing me, I find Amazon's super-saver shipping is saving me a lot of money on shipping. It's a shame too, I miss shopping at the egg.
The main difference between Heatkiller LC and LT/Cu is in the number of channels in the base. LC has 34 channels while the LTQuote:
Originally Posted by scamps
has 51 channels. LT jet plate adds very little to the performance of the block ...the best HK combo would be LT base and LC top.
I tested the silicone mod on my LC block and the 1 mm silicone gasket was compressed to 0.2 mm ...it would almost completely
clog the side channels and reduce the hight of center channels so I ended up not using it (was a little afraid that the compressed
silicone would tear and float around the loop until it would clog up something). With assembled LC block I could not insert a piece
of paper between the base and the top.
As for the Koolance CPU-360 blocks, wow ...looks very very good and should perform about the same as the current top blocks or
even better (hopes for better ... as a nudge to other players)
...I wonder what the performance would be if the whole inlet area would be replaced with pin array with remaining being fin array
You gotta hand it to Koolance - this block just looks amazing! If it at least performs on par with a HK3 Cu it's my new block when I tear down my loop. Hopefully it'll work well with lapped CPUs.
That's a Gorgeous block... looks like a built-in shuriken! :) hats off to Koolance... I'm stunned at how far they've come from their yellow acrylic topped block, and are challenging the World's Best blocks now. The quick disconnect line and pump tops are impressive as well.
"I can't believe it's a Koolance" shud be a new slogan.. :)
The installation manual for the CPU-360 has now been posted. Blank jet plates are on the way, initially in stainless steel. We are also trying other materials that will be easier to modify, like brass.
Tim
Tim i sended you a Pm but the answer was none:rofl::clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolance
Portugal is a good growing market for watercooling i guess Koolance isnīt interested in it , you just lose for that:down:
It looks good but no review in my country , thatīs why Swiftech and Ek dominate it .
I know Koolance tested their block against the top dogs, common sense unless the marketers run the show. Otherwise they wouldn't of released this. They are smart to hold that info back, waiting for independant tests.
Nice to see them working at it. They are a big company, so being nimble is hard work dealing with the suits. A Dilbert thing.
We'll wait with baited breath.
I do not think you will find it for cheaper; If I recall when the cpu-350 came out the etailors sold it for the same price listed onn Koolance site and never went down until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obelisk79
If you are lucky, you may find it for $80 when stock is available. To me I would rather just pay the $5 and get it now, or get it direct.
Mine will be here on Monday...now time to get all my other parts figured out :rofl:. This will be my first time on H2o
Awaiting more help from Naekuh, or i guess advice. I have a general idea of what I want and need
I really had a feeling that would be the case. At the very least I'm going to contact customer service to see about shipping options, shipping anything to hawaii using anything other than USPS is silly expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by INFRNL
I pretty much have no clue wth I'm doing watercooling since I've always been an extreme air guy, but I guess thats half of the fun.
let me know if they have other shipping method beside UPSQuote:
Originally Posted by Obelisk79
UPS is the only avalible source for shipping with Koolance. It by far is the company's biggest flaw, lack of shipping options.
Tim,
Use this topic open to post pictures of high quality about products Koolance that are aesthetically beautiful
Please Could post picture of The MB-ASC3F water block in Formula III ASUS Crosshair motherboard with the CPU-360 (CPU)
Sorry, we don't have that board here at our location currently. I will ask our other office if they have any mounted pics.Quote:
Originally Posted by UlyssesCazuquel
Manufacturing was faster than I expected on the brass jet plates. They're now in stock.
Skinnee, mate, where are the numbers ^^
Where are the REVIEWS?????
Seriously, get a grip on yourself. It's not like Vapor is getting paid to review the equipment you drool at, testing throughly takes its time. Shouting at him is, simply put, disrespectful.
If you want accurate well written and conclusive reviews then this takes time and they guys who do it well do it for free and do it when they can.
If you want them done quicker maybe develop a bullet proof testing methodology, buy a bench, several hundred $$$ of properly calibrated equipment and spend your own time doing it.
It cant hurt to have more qualified testers, i look forward to reading your results. :D
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Originally Posted by JaD
Wow, I should have put an appropriate smiley afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by affiliate13
I didn't ment any disrespect against the reviewers, I do apprecieate their work very much. :up:
I didn`t ment any desrespect either, just looking forward to some numbers ^^
I'm looking forward to some of my numbers too if that means anything :p: At this time I have nothing to offer, unfortunately. Some of the unpublished dimensions have me very hopeful for this block though :)
Unfortunately test pace is slower than it was when I started this batch months ago. Supreme HF and CPU-360 will hopefully be done in the next 9 days, I'm pushing hard for that. :yepp:
I'm very glad to hear that Vapor. Just don't rush anything. I'd have accurate results over fast delivery any day of the week :). Take your time and make sure those tests are accurate, so all of us CPU block horndogs will have some nice exact numbers to get our freak on ;).
Vapor, are you testing with stock heatspreader, lapped or both?!
actually the HK 2 used it way before EKQuote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Well I just got my CPU-360 today and holy cow I have to say its HUGE. That is what it looks like with the AMD plate on it :) Just for size comparison it's sitting next to a Thermochill PA160.
http://www.thomasyu.im/new-wc-hardware1.jpg
Looks like the CPU-360 won't fit Gigabyte UD4P
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=115744
yeah problem was noted not that long ago.
If your board has the round capacitors that sit high, the block wont fit the cpu board.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
NaeKuh, which is the largest diameter of the base?
i would need to take out my block to tell ya that.
:rofl:
Maybe vapor can answer it.. or something with the block.
I had no issues installing it on a classified.
Guys, which is the largest diameter of the base? :confused2 :confused: :shrug:
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Looks very promising... Depending on repeatable results from everyone, I might be selling my heatkiller 3.0 for one of these... Dang that is a slick looking block!
i got the block when it came out a few weeks ago, it replaced a cpu-350. i'm sorry i dont have any numbers to provide, but it appears to be less restrictive than my previous cpu block as the flowrate in the loop has defintely improved.
Looks like width is 59mm at the widest point. Going to be a tight fit for Gigabyte boards...
HK3.0's are 59mm as well, fwiw, so it should work if you put lateral pressure on the caps.
Then why does it not fit?
Im seeing it a lot now...
http://img.techpowerup.org/100221/IMG_0025.jpg
I got the block to work on my P6T... its the giggy boards that just wont fit...
61mm :bsod: :nono: :wasntme:
EDIT: 60 mm .....P6T Deluxe
I don't have exact data and such, but upgrading from my Alphacool NexXxoS Xē Highflow to the Koolance CPU-360 my temperature has dropped 3° celcius according to TMS-200 and with it I have finally hit 4 GHz on my C2 stepping which I wasn't able to do previously (I know it's not a huge feat, but for me it was to finally hit 4 GHz).
The probe was mounted the same exact way as my previous CPU block on the edge of the base plate using copper tape, except for the CPU-360 I used silver colored tape that came with it.
http://www.thomasyu.im/cpuz-validate.jpg
Sorry guys, I'd do a more thorough test if i knew how to do it :)
i got it to fit on my p6T-DLX V1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JASSAF
The base is a hex.. not a circle also.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1266881195
I think you guys are gonna just get a more square base.
That should fix the fitting problems you guys are running into, and i dont see any noticable effects on the block by squaring out the sides.
NaeKuh, is correct.....the widest diameter is 59 mm
We are presently looking into the Gigabyte X58 issue. Some additional details on clearance have been posted at http://forums.koolance.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1380
Tim
if i know this beforehand, i wouldn't buy it :(
it suck to have gigabyte board.
Sorry to go off topic but what's going on with the threads on the mounting screws in the linked post?
I think compatibility with Gigabyte will be somewhat variable....on my EX58-Extreme and EX58-UD5 the HK3.0s work just fine as long as I apply lateral pressure when mounting. Even the Apogee XT (60mm) rev.1 (the one without the bevel) worked with moderate lateral pressure, although the TIM imprint was imperfect/unbalanced (though it still outperformed the HK3.0, the rev.2 distanced itself further and is what is in my review).
I'm currently in the final phase of EK Supreme HF testing and won't be able to get to the CPU-360 testing this week, but I can do a dummy mount of the CPU-360 quickly tonight to verify it mounts fine on my board (considering the HK and Apogee XT did, I'm sure this one will too).
So yeah, probably variable on compatibility--not every board is totally identical and sometimes a few tenths of a millimeter can make all the difference in regards to fitting or not fitting.
Intel published the specification for clearance around the CPU socket. Either gigabyte or koolance isn't abiding by the spec, apparently. I have both the 1156 and 1366 socket schematics at home so maybe I'll look it up tonight (unless anyone beats me to it).
Neither are abiding actually.
If taken in a birds-eye view perspective, Koolance, HK, and Swiftech all break spec. When you include capacitor height, Gigabyte, ASUS, EVGA, etc all break spec. When you combine the two, that's when we see incompatibility.
Blocks overhanging the socket shouldn't be a big deal if the board manus use capacitors of spec height. Likewise, taller (better) capacitors shouldn't be a big deal if the block manus follow the "no fly zone" rules :)
Thanks for clearing that up. So I guess since everyone's doing it then it's okay! Looking forward to your testing Vapor, but take your time with it. I'm not in a hurry to buy another block ATM :rolleyes:
even if i am about to buy a cpu block in a month maximun, take your time vapor, everyone will be happier with some accurate result than some quick test with not-so accurate results. The choice will be hard: swiftech xt, ek supreme hf, heatkiller 3.0 or koolance cp-360, damm way too much choice.
Technically speaking, I have to disagree here. The specs are in three dimensions, X, Y and Z. If you overhang in XY, but do comply with Z, you are not in violation of the specs. Conversely, Gigabyte is over the specs in Z -ever so slightly, but that's what's causing the problems with most blocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Good point Gabe. :up: There are also the min/max tolerances involved with the socket area too. I suppose this is the point of proper testing with as many products as possible before release.
Unfortunately, it seems that the Koolance folks may have missed testing w/ some of the more popular Gigabyte boards. To be totally honest I have run into problems with the Gigabyte mosfet and NB cooling solutions in the past, but that's a different issue all together. Maybe filing the Koolance block down .5mm or so would help. Not a good solution no, but it could be a potential workaround.:p:
Now a days when purchasing a new board, I look for the cleanest possible socket area. Even though the Intel "no fly zone" spec seems pretty generous, I can totally understand why some board and block manufacturers would be a little lenient in this area.
If Koolance changed the design to be a perfect 90 square, I wonder if it would alleviate the issue all together? Finally, could Koolance just offer a different coldplate for the gigabyte owners? In comparison, Swiftech sent me a free 1156 backplate for the apogee XT. Maybe Koolance could offer a free coldplate for giga board owners? Just have them send a digital photo or something... Of course some more unscrupulous customers may abuse this just to get another coldplate... :shrug:
I hope they get it sorted. IMHO they make a solid product and it's good to have choices in this hobby of ours (even though a lot of us buy up every new block anyway) :D
I can tell you between the Supreme HF and HK3.0 it's not a competition, Supreme HF is better in every aspect. Review up next week if all goes well (data will be done tomorrow though). Haven't tested the CPU-360 at all yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoro
That said, I can confirm the CPU-360 fits perfectly fine on my EX58-Extreme and EX58-UD5. I did need to apply/ensure there was lateral pressure against the sides of the caps, but that's not a big deal considering the HK3.0 required it months ago.
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
An all-new coldplate won't work for the CPU-360....the bulging isn't an aesthetic choice, the top would need to be redesigned as well. The internal structure is circular-based (check the o-ring sealing the top and bottom) and the fastening structure is an overlaid square.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinas
We apologize to everyone being inconvenienced by this problem. Our staff is working quickly to have a proper solution on hand. Please be assured you will be taken care of.
The CPU-360 bottom plate will be diagonally beveled to provide clearance. Below is a picture of this on a Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5, now with plenty of space. (Please ignore the "#3", it's just an internal label for one of the samples we tested. The final product would of course be nickel plated.)
http://www.koolance.com/technical/pr...-360_bevel.jpg
This will be CPU-360 "Rev1.1", which we hope to have available in the next 7-10 days. For customers who have or anticipate a conflict, we will handle the issue at no charge through our RMA process. More details on that will be posted to our homepage early next week when we have the actual shipment schedule.
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Originally Posted by Koolance
Diameter: 59mm
I agree with ohms, you gotta give Koolance some rep for being able to take care of this problem quite fastly.
+1 koolance for a quick fix.
PLUS seems to offer FREEEEEE rma !
Just installed the 360(replacing 345ac) on my ASUS P6T6 and had no problems doing it. My temps are 1C maybe 2C lower. I'm using MX-3 instead of OCZ freeze now and both were mounted exactly the same way, horizontal(outlet on the right side) and the distance from the top of the thumb screws to the mounting plate is 15.75mm(might try 15.50mm). My flow rate is 2.3LPM(pump-8) to 2.7LPM(pump-10) using a INS-FM17 with the 360 and don't know the numbers for the 345ac block. Looks like I need a 2nd pump for my single loop and the EK-DCP 4.0 looks perfect and quiet.
Looking at getting one of these WB....Now wondering if it would fit onto my Maximus III Formula....
Are there others out there able to use this WB on this mobo??
http://i50.tinypic.com/9thkrm.jpg
Thanks
i've requested the RMA but shipping back to koolance will be expensive for me, any other solution from koolance ?
Looks like you have plenty of room(looked up pics online). Thats of course if the 1156 is the same size as a 1366 socket:shrug: If not then the new beveled plate should work.Quote:
Originally Posted by HondaGuy
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Originally Posted by HondaGuy
no problem :up:
Thanks for the info, Got mine all hooked up..Just ran a cinebinch so far, at stock
http://i50.tinypic.com/2im9bhj.png
For customer updates to Rev1.1, please see here. We are still expecting the new revision to arrive between Mar. 8-10.
Tim