I hate you, I'm so jealous. Thanks for the awesome info though. (actual details! unlike those other tech sites)
I hate you, I'm so jealous. Thanks for the awesome info though. (actual details! unlike those other tech sites)
That's what everyone wants to see!Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
:up:
Explanation demanded. I don't understand how this is meant to work and/or what restrictions are in place here. The two CPU's must be able to talk to one another for stability unless I'm wrong, which would require a second QPI link (meaning Xeon only), and those QPI links would have to run at the same speed to talk to one another, which implies same operating speed, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Article
Comments Enjoy/Lard? Is this a feature that thus far no other dual proc board has ever been able to implement somehow, or is that a misunderstanding/miscommunication?
why would qpi be different?Quote:
Originally Posted by Serra
4.0G @ 20x200 (7.2GT/s @ 4.8 QPI ratio) + 3.6G @ 18 x 200 (7.2GT/s @ 4.8 QPI Ratio)....?
Serra: It probably means you can mix different models/speeds of Xeons and you don't have to run matched sets that server boards of old require(d).
That's the first overclocking info, at least 4GHz then. :p: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
nah dont hype it up so much man, it will be too stressful for me.
Sorry, my bad.
The board just looks like a monster, so I am really excited to see how it turns out! :D
I totally agree...Peter, please ignore the haters and continue to develop boards that will make the way for more fun when we overclock!! :up: I mean, for those of us who use LN2, who cares how the sata ports are oriented? :slap: Those NF200 chips will get collateral cooling from the GPU pots! :yepp: C'mon, people...do you see how petty this is? This board has but one purpose - to be rode hard and put away wet!! :hump:Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat GriZ
After seeing Peter smoke a custom modded Classy at the Motor City OC Event last year, I am sure he learned his lesson and put lots of extra places to plug in power if your OC needs it! This saves us from waiting until someone figures out the various volt mods we do with trimmers soldered all over the board to give us more volts when and where we need them.
And I see all the crunchers salivating at the notion of a running a highly overclockable dual proc rig crunching 16 WU's while the 4x GTX295's are folding their a$$es off. If this board came out tomorrow EVGA would sell thru at least a few production runs. Just my two cents fwiw.....
yea just relax play with clarkdales , gulftowns for a while, then when the novelty wears off theres something else refreshing to push!
This is what I've been asking Santa for.. I shoulda asked EVGA instead. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Philly_Boy
That is technically possible (I suppose, I could be wrong), but you would have to seriously work to tune it so that those speeds matched exactly, down to the very last Hz (which would be a big problem unless you were willing to accept one of two or three block positions that are likely well under full OC potential). Whether the CPU's expect eachother to operate at the same speed would be a good question as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
Here's the thing though: no-one has ever let this occur. Not Supermicro, not Tyan, etc. If they don't, I'm not sure it's a good idea to try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobit
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think it would necessarily be a bad idea or not work at all. Let's say you have some threaded code that gets dispatched to each CPU that depends on eachother... if one CPU is dramatically faster than the other, it could finish all of its threads before the other finishes the first, and that could destabilize the whole tower. This is a guess of course (I'm not a software engineer), but I would think there must be scenarios where running multiple CPUs at different frequencies would cause an issue.
And I still don't see a firm reply about different processors entirely, though I think that if the CPU speed differences pose a problem it pretty much answers that question. Potentially some wiggle room with an over/underclocked set that operate at the same speeds, but that would be a bit of a silly question. I think it seems pretty apparent they do have to be Xeons too, but I'd like to see confirmation on that as well.
:toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Philly_Boy
Thats what I was thinking..!
you talkin about different qpi? it will be same as stated, cos you cant sync up with different base clocks obviously, but like on many boards, clock gen to clock buffer to cpus, nothing new or extra being done actuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Serra
Now an AMD version :D?
Wow, a whole lot of uninformed BS going on in here, as usual as of late :rolleyes:
First of all I'd like to thank evga on behalf of the entire DC community, this is what we have been waiting for a LONG time now, almost one year to be exact. You guys rock :up:
For those that don't seem to have a clue exactly WHO this board was made for, here we go.
1. Extreme benchers (obviously). There is so much unreleased potential in the DP 1366 platform, with the new soon-to-be released hexacores now more than ever. DP LGA1366 boards have been out for (almost) as long as their single socket counterparts, and so have the CPUs - only until know, there was no way to OC any of the boards past 138Mhz BCLK (yes I have tried them all :p: ).
So now, for the first time, people can actually unleash the power of Gainestown/Westmere. Combined with 4 GPUs, this motherboard will allow for some insane new World Records. Think 2-3x the performance of current multithreaded CPU benchmarks ;)
2. Distributed computing maniacs. Needless to say, moar cores + moar mhz equals moar work done, which is what some of us crave way more than chasing the next WR.
3. Affordable HPC performance for everyone. People used to have to pay top dollar for high end Xeons if they wanted their video/picture/whatever editing machine to pack some punch. Now you can just get the lower end models and OC them by 50-80% just like the standard 920's.
4. Yes it can play Crysis :p:
Again, thank you evga.
Only negative aspect I see is the dual NF200's. I specifically told Dave to make sure this was gonna get dual 5520s to provide for the 72 PCIe lanes, and not those godforsaken power-eating NF200's :p:
Oh well, you can't have everything. Certainly nothing to prevent me from buying at least one of those monsters.
guru3d has some nice pics :D
I have to say not even the Rampage III Extreme impressed me this much. This board is :banana::banana::banana::banana: & PLEASURE.
Now we need to mod our Cascades for dual evap setups, or just get 2 cascades :)
If you are a married man,then I would suggest practicing the
following line:
Honey, there is somebody else !
I'd like to see a "budget" version with,no nf200 and half as many PCIe slots,and of course a lower price/power bracket.
Just like jcool'; I'd like to thank EVGA, and everyone involved
in making a 2P OCing board come true.:up:
Hopefully now (that we know the board is coming)
AMD (their server/workstation dude J.F. to be precise) will change their "Our customers don't need over clocking,they need 24/7 stability" approach.
How about you give your customers a choice - I know many
crunchers/folders that want Overclocking and Stability.
Have fun in Vegas,watch out for Movieman - he might just
grab this board and run :ROTF: j/k
:yepp::up:Quote:
Originally Posted by SocketMan
I desperately want a cruncher box of my own.
I'm all for the budget version too! I only run a single card setup, so all that is overkill for me.
That being said, if there's no budget version I'll probably buy it anyways. I could use the power for my work (video editing). Now what's the best case for it + good cooling (hopefully air, not water)? Any ideas? I've read my ATCS 840 won't fit it, despite being huge itself!
Same question, will it fit in a Lian Li PC-P80 case? It has 390mm clearance from rear to hard drive cages (~380mm when hard drives are installed due to room needed for connectors).Quote:
Originally Posted by LarsMarkelson
http://xtreview.com/images/Lian%20Li...-P80R%2001.jpg
Sham, is it exactly a WTX form factor motherboard?
http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=21771
Isn't it pr0n? :D
Holy smokes. I want one just to have it, with 2 of the 6-cores coming out. I cant for the life of me imagine what I would do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
I hope they tweak the layout some, like side sata connectors.
Mind that I am not an official source but I am still willing to bet parts of my anatomy it will fit this case and all others listed in EVGA E762 FAQ (they are all E-ATX and provide ten PCI brackets). If it doesn't fit this it will not fit any other case in the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by jfromeo
I presume both CPUs use the same clock generator so they are automatically synced up base clock wise. All you'd have to take care of is setting matching multipliers for the QPI (and NB?) part of the CPU. The cores are oblivious to what's going on outside their execution instructions and would chug along gleefully at whatever speed they are allowed to by the core multiplier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serra
I'm very impressed with this board as well. Nice work coming up with something new, different, and very desirable.
I've been wanting a good board to overclock and that has USB 3.0 and SATA 6GB/s and lots of PCIe lanes. So far nothing fits the bill, until now with this board.
All the other boards I've checked either don't have USB 3.0 or don't have 4 or more PCIe x16 lanes.
Top that off with dual socket and twelve slots for memory and the board gets exciting extremely quickly.
Now all we need are two things....
1. A good looking water-cooling ready case that will hold this mobo. Lian Li or Silverstone or Corsair, please make us a good case to hold this board. Lian Li PC-80B seems like it would be tough to mount a radiator in the top with the funky shroud up top, correct me if I'm wrong.
2. Good full-board water-cooling blocks. EK or Bitspower or MIPS, get to work on that ASAP so that the blocks will be ready shortly after launch of the board.
1) This isn't serlv writing..:D:
2) To Peter and EVGA:
How can we thank you?
You people took the gamble and went ahead where others were not willing to go.
You took an idea and in a very short time brought it to reality.
My immense gratitude to you!:clap:
2) After reading through this thread with all the misinformation tossed around as if it was fact someone has to comment so I will try to add something to this...
Listen to jcool . He speaks the truth and has a better understanding than most here.
Serra: No to mixing cpu's.
I think you misunderstood what Peter was speaking to.
To the doubting Thomas's:
How come every time a manufacturer tries to push the boundaries people jump on them?
Seriously, why always see the glass as 1/2 empty?
Why can't you look and see this as I do : OMG, someone had the cojones to actually spend the time and money to make what many including myself have been looking for since socket 1366 came out.
To look skyward and say a quiet prayer of thanks that we have people like Peter Tan and companies like EVGA that will try to push the limits.
I kid you not when i first heard of this I wanted to reach out and hug him for just trying when no one else would.
If you stop and think of the obstacles faced in this project maybe many of you would think twice before biatching.
You look at what has to be included on this board for it all to work and then you'll realize why their board is the size it is.
The PC world is changing my friends but without the "explorers" such as we see here with Peter and EVGA to push the boundaries advances would be very slow.
Don't have a case that it will fit in?
Make one, mod one or buy one.
Remember where you are and what forum your at.
XS not 'Dell PC's for wusses"..
My last words in this post are very simple and EXACTLY how I feel:
Peter, THANK YOU for being you and please send my thanks to EVGA.
We need more like both of you in this hobby.
MM..
PS: To the guy that said 5670's: Why so slow?
There are X5680's you know..:wasntme:
As to what will work in it:
This should run any dual QPI quad core Gainestown or 6 core Westmere cpu.
Record Breaker is here Haha
why remove floppy?
im sure at least some people will run raid and plug in storage controllers, and for that you need floppy for some OSes... even if you dont NEED it, its useful... the board is big enough, who cares if theres a floppy port somewhere on it :P :D
thanks Dave, my boss will be very happy to read this :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] serlv
didnt check your email? been waiting for you at the suite! ;)
:yepp: kinkyQuote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
Well said Dave. :)
i Feel That I Speak For Many People,
Thank You Evga, Peter Tan, And Everyone Involved For The Birth Of This Amazing Motherboard!!
The Enthusiast Community Will Enjoy This Creation Of Yours!
Thanks for taking the risk and innovating unlike other companies!!
KEEP IT UP EVGA
-XSbb
You can use a USB Floppy :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
To eVGA
Will this motherboard fit on a Thermaltake Armor+?
My case was designed to fit EATX no problems and even has some extra space, but I would like to make sure first.
Xeon DP, Six-Core
[edit]"Gulftown" (32 nm)
Based on Intel Westmere microarchitecture
All models support: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology (EIST), Intel 64, XD bit (an NX bit implementation), TXT, Intel VT, Hyper-Threading, Turbo Boost, Smart Cache
Here are the chips to put in this board. Board comes out in (hopefully early) April, these chips come out mid-March. Coincidence? I think not.
All models support dual-processor configurations
Model Number sSpec Number Frequency Turbo L2 Cache L3 Cache I/O Bus Mult Uncore Speed Memory Voltage TDP Socket Release Date Part Number(s) Release Price (USD)
Xeon W5680 3333 MHz 6 x 256 KB 12 MB 2 x ??? GT/s QPI 25x 3 x DDR3-1333 130 W LGA 1366 March 16, 2010
Xeon X5670 2933 MHz 6 x 256 KB 12 MB 2 x ??? GT/s QPI 22x 3 x DDR3-1333 95 W LGA 1366 March 16, 2010
Xeon X5660 2800 MHz 6 x 256 KB 12 MB 2 x ??? GT/s QPI 21x 3 x DDR3-1333 95 W LGA 1366 March 16, 2010
Xeon X5650 2667 MHz 6 x 256 KB 12 MB 2 x ??? GT/s QPI 20x 3 x DDR3-1333 95 W LGA 1366 March 16, 2010
Xeon L5640 2267 MHz 6 x 256 KB 12 MB 2 x ??? GT/s QPI 17x 3 x DDR3-1333 60 W LGA 1366 March 16, 2010
Thank you again EVGA and Peter for making my dream motherboard... luckily, I've been saving up for two years now to build my dream computer, so it's looking likely that I will actually be buying this motherboard! You've got a customer! All I need to do now is figure out how to buy, build, or mod a case to hold it. I'm open to suggestions. :)
I've already figured out the water cooling part.... EK will be making blocks for this board, so I'll do that. YAY!
I'm going to put cheap E5520's on this board initially.. overclock the biznatch out of them. :D
Who cares for fitting this thing into a case .... I'll buy it, and run it naked with some pots over both CPU's :).
Nice work EVGA :clap:
No. It won't fit in any normal computer case.Quote:
Originally Posted by slim142
absolutely amazing looking board *looks at empty wallet* a man can dream about it...that would make for one SICK rendering beast
so the final boards will not have floppy?Quote:
Originally Posted by JacobF
usb floppy doesnt always work, and they tend to cost more than they are worth, a lot more... :D
EVGA X58 and Classys do not have a Floppy controller so we had to use a USB Floppy drive for those. Never had to use mine as I put the drivers I needed on a USB stick for my ARC-1231ML controller so it was np what so ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I am happy they are not wasting there time putting this stuff on MB's any more.
I hear ya LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by DragoonXX
Makes my little WHS with 955 crunching away look like a toy with all the power this thing could put out.
Just need boards for all my old QX CPU's to start crunching with. So lets see 3 QX CPU's would hardly equal 1 CPU from this beast LOL.
The only reason to use a floppy is for XP Pro x64 compatibility with RAID cards (the only conceivable OS that provides sufficient performance, meets socket requirements, and allows more than 4GB of ram [needed to populate channels properly]). Given XP will not run DX10 (let alone DX11) and that it is now 2 full OS's back, I think we can let the old horse die in this regard. I mean, if you have a storage controller and this much to spend on a mobo + CPU's (plus GPU's, because it's definitely designed for performance GPU's)... you can run Windows 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Or, heck, you can use Acronis or nLite and get the driver in there via a workaround. It's actually more convenient to use those methods than floppys in my experience... floppys tend to have very short lifetimes.
No PWM heatsink on the northern most socket or just missing?...Quote:
Originally Posted by sholvaco
Heat sinks were removed to show the chips. It's just missing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metric
Thanks to Peter and Jacob i was able to take some pictures of this board with Quad SLI? it ended up being something like the board needed 15 6pins?? :yepp:
This board could potentially open up not just new overclocks, but also looks like it might be the start of a personal render farm?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...er_farm&xtcr=1
With dual socket multi-core processors and a bunch of the new Nvidia Fermi cards in the board, I would think you could do a lot of gpu computing, rendering, and ray tracing.
Imagine opening up an entirely new world of home movie production where people could make their own "Toy Story" and "South Park" in their homes. I could think of a few cartoons I would make.
I wonder how tough it would be to use this mobo for a build to make homemade cartoons?
Those heatsinks remind me of the ones on 6800GT :D
They should make the same exhaust for the back of the case like for gfx cards! :D
So the hot air is vented right onto the pci-e slots. That'll get nice and toasty.
Pretty cool though me rikey.
why nf200? Couldn't you just use 2 x58?
you're bringing up cost as an argument in this thread? :rofl::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I woulda have preferred they removed the IDE and keep the Floppy.
If you have money to buy this motherboard, then you can definitely buy SATA hard/optical drives.
IDE is better for benching thoQuote:
Originally Posted by slim142
All my main rig stuff is SATA but I use IDE when I can for benching.
Hmmm am I late here?
May I know why is it better for benching?
IDE clock is derived from PCI, SATA is derived from PCIe, when you push PCIe clock during 3D benches SATA devices can lose their "connection" to the board, i.e. not able to transmit data correctly any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by slim142
Interesting... I guess been out of the forums has kept me uninformed lol
wouldn't this be solved by using a PCI SATA card?
Yup, but is it really necessary? I was able to bench at 117MHz PCIe, more than enough for bclk and 3D gains were minimal.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmke
I wonder when some genius will engineer a SATA clock lock into a board's bios so we can then clock the nuts out of PCI-e and not worry about a SATA drive crapping out....Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
Then and only then will i happily wave goodbye to an IDE connector....
Anyone? :D
Boot from USB 3.0 thumbdrive..?
This board looks very exciting. It'll cost a pretty penny but nothing a fire-sale can't fix.
Man this thread really took off. ;)
Yeah but then PC mark would be deeply affected, specially with SSDs...Quote:
Originally Posted by jmke
What about Phenoms running each core at a different speed? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Serra
Did they ever release the full specs of this beast during CES, or did they only do the teaser?
Keep in mind I haven't dealt with AMD on my main [eg. benching] systems since the C2Q's came out, but wasn't it flagged as a bug by AMD when that was seen to happen in the wild? I'm pretty positive it is not a vendor-supported feature. My guess would be that because they have the same base clock it does basically work, but dual-socket CPU's do also perform some health checks on one another that I can't say whether multi-core CPU's do to their own cores (ala a what-is-the-point scenario... if one core is broken, the whole thing is broken... but when one socket is broken, the entire board isn't necessarily down).Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
Even if it seems to be stable on some systems, I can't imagine AMD certifies it as "safe" operation... nor would Intel in this case. No server board has ever certified such operation, so I think it is fair to assume that EVGA isn't breaking the mold on this given they don't have that much experience in this area.
This thread has definitely shown there are still some questions about the exact operation of this board, we need to get our hands on one of them to give it a good workout!
I run my cores at different speeds and I have WCG running 24/7. AMD OverDrive allows you to change individual multipliers. Anyway, I think outright unadulterated performance is more important that data server stability in this case.
LOL saw the board at the XS party.
My first comments were OMG its HUGH.
Second comments were... Mine. :P
When i was talking to peter, also, he said USB3.0 was on it.
I suspect that a Lian Li V2000/2010/2100/2110 could fit her, with slight modding (because of the height) - not sure though. Nevertheless, the length won't be a problem for these cases. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lowfat
Really nice board btw, I am really tempted...
Volterra :(
Why not used two IOH as 5520? That could let bridges away.
yellow part..... Cooling?
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4...c24b48ef0f.jpg
I imagine it will be something similar to the other classified boards? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
Pretty sure that's not the final heatsink setup.
Well that does it for me. Where can I preorder?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Damn you eVGA for making me sink into credit card debt even more because of your must-have awesome board (unless Supermicro comes up with a similar model :D ).
Thanx EVGA for making life THAT much more worth living in 2010:up::up::up:
3DMARK VANTAGE anyone? :D
So, What would be good processors for this board, other than the unlocked xeonss ($$$$$$)?
Most cheaper Xeon's will have a rather low multiplier remember. I don't know how high the bclk on these boards will go, but I don't expect it to be a bclk king or anything. So chances are you will be multiplier limited in most of your overclocks w/ the cheaper Xeons.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomb18
cheap... on this board :D
They typoed Xenon...
Quad SLI "needs" nf200, if I am not mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogerlad
Even Cool@Quit (pic below) clocks the cores down individually,so it's definitely aQuote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
feature for/from AMD,in other words different cpu speeds should not be a problem in this case either.
I am no expert on Intel cpu's,what (kind of clocks) can one expect with
a pair of 5520 xeons on this board for 24/7/365 operation (WCG on the cpus and FAH on gpus) ? :)
i really want one, EVGA/Shamino thank you very much!
This video is swaying my opinion in favor of this evga board.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowFox19
I hope evga will release the board to consumers in short order. Do not feel like waiting around until say um...JUNE OR JULY for this.
Any real price estimate?
I really want to know the full specs.
that give's a true feel for the size of the thing! its huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowFox19
it doesnt fill me with confidence the amount of times the guy says 'er' or 'um' - its like he doesnt er know the um product erm um well
Now waiting till someone makes single LGA1366 board with two X58 chips and without NF200 :)
I don't think it's possible, is it? Unless it's going to require a DP Xeon chip...Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogPO
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=132Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
For a single CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by lowfat
Yeah, I tweeted Jacob about more details on the board, and all I get from him is:Quote:
Originally Posted by BatteryOperated
I have a feeling we're in for a long wait.Quote:
Launch for the mobo is scheduled for March/April. However, that is not set in stone just yet.
I was going to wait for this board, but I might not be able to, I want to get my video editing monster together around the same time Adobe CS5 comes out in April.
I'm still excited about what this puppy will be able to do!
I'm gonna rock my 790 and core 2 duo until it drops. I already sold off my x58 rig completely. I didn't even lose $200 on $3000 of hardware after an entire years use, not a bad rental fee. Saving for the big dog now.
"Not set in stone" sounds suspiciously like an October/November release. I am not being facetious.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowFox19
AMD's Magny Cours is coming in March. That is not an if, and, or but.
This is another case of the "supposed to's." I am not trying to be a schmuk on this. But every case of so-called inspired design, or revolutionary idea that will change the market place, or offer a unique product is often released on a time schedule that is between maybe and never. Let's talk about what is on the table.
naww, we will see it before then. They've said the board design is essentially done and it's just a matter of BIOS tuning that is left to do and I believe them on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatteryOperated
they need to take their time to do it right imo. when i buy this i willl be pissed if it is rushed to marke5t and needs constant updates etc or me beta testing high end hardware. i already do this with other types of cutting edge hardware..
evga has a good reputation with this though, so i dont think it will be a problem. an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...
Ok, what stock cases will this fit in? Will it fit in a tj07?
Too long to fit in sadly, a normal E-ATX is wider but this is sadly too long, unless you mod it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomb18
my great room has two 20 amp circuits dedicated for LANS ;) maybe I should run this in there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius