I'm starring at that picture trying to figure out where the kitchen sink is. :)
Now I'm wondering who will be the first with a water block for this. It's got to be one huge chunk of copper to cover the northbridge, southbridge and those nf chips.
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I'm starring at that picture trying to figure out where the kitchen sink is. :)
Now I'm wondering who will be the first with a water block for this. It's got to be one huge chunk of copper to cover the northbridge, southbridge and those nf chips.
We were talking about the equivalent server parts (Intel 5520) which would definitely allow a dual IOH setup, as demonstrated by a couple of Super Micro and Tyan boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I wonder if there's going to be a massive CPU backplate for it (judging by the standoff spacing, the entire CPU area and half the ram banks are between two sets of standoffs, might call for some wicked warping)
I'm not worried about a case.....it will just "EXIST" on my benchtable!!:D
Thanks for the full board shot Solid, I'm now scheming on how to put 2 new Westmere Xeons onboard...hmmmm ... have two kidneys...if I lay off the booze I only really need one...:rofl::ROTF:
Oh great, more NF200. :down: At this level they should have gone for two X58s.
So a short BOM for this board:
- 2x LGA 1366 Sockets
- 1x Intel 55XX (5520 or 5500) chipset.
- 1x Intel ICH10R
- 2x NF200 chips
- 12x Memory slots
- 7x PCI-E X16 slots.
- 1x Monster Motherboard. :D
Yep, I know. Was meant ironically. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
And about that case by EVGA... I don't think it would come in time, even IF they wanted to offer such a thing. Think of the "special" PSU rumored to come with/for the classified. IMHO it's been just a rumor, it would be bad if it was not... :D
Maybe Mountain Mods is the right partner to do it... :shrug:
My new bench table is too small for it, respectively it's lacking the appropriate holes/standoffs. But a customized bench table perhaps is the best way to give such huge boards a cosy home. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat GriZ
That's definately an XL-ATX board, compare the screw holes to the 4-way...they're identical.
I wonder if you could "fit" that board in a Corsair 800D? That case makes a Classified E760 look tiny. With a little modding, I bet it can be done.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
What no integrated LSi 9260i Sata6 controller!! :D:D
No USB 3.0.. no pci-e 3.0 slots.
:shrug: good for about 6 months.
:shrug:
Ye, what gives?? Ditch one NF200 for it! (or ditch both :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
Aside from USB drives there is really not a lot of need for USB 3 now, nor is there likely to be for awhile; fortunately it looks like there might be some eSATA ports. As it stands there's only like 1-2 USB 3 devices out now, and besides drives I don't think most people plug in anything more than a mouse or keyboard. PCI-E 3.0 is totally unnecessary right now too as we're nowhere near using the bandwidth of a full PCI-E 2.0 x16 slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ulticool
SATA 3.0 might have some merit, but maybe/maybe not in 2010. We'll see how things progress. If nothing else this board has enough lanes to handle a SATA 3-compliant RAID card, which is how the real speed demons will be going anyway.
Techpowerup mentions it seems to have USB 3.0 & while Marvell-made SATA 6 Gbs controller provides two additional ports, just wait until CES to see additional specifications...Quote:
Originally Posted by ulticool
Wow, that is the biggest board I've ever seen. That is bigger than the Dual lga1366 Asus Z8PE-D12 I have and that board is SSI EEB (roughly EATX) form factor. Forget ATX, the form factor of this board should be listed in acres!
BTW, when is a full cover waterblock for this board comming out? :rofl:
Looks awesome; to have non-ECC support it's important IMO, a BIOS with overclock options? (well it's a Classified so ...), Westmere-EP support... maybe the 980X don't lacks the second QPI link in order to work on DP configurations, that would be a nice combination.
AH, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by ulticool
The latest news from jacob is that it has USB3 and SATA-3 as well. Its also a classified, with all the feqtures that go with that name.
http://twitpic.com/w3peg
Hope this starts some competition from other overclocking duallies.
The BIOS is goining to be insane///imagine all the parameters to tweak????
It's just a little bit wider (front to back) than the XL-ATX but the mounting holes do appear to match up to my XL-ATX motherboard tray.. it may hang over the front edge a tad bit.
I really can't wait for an extreme overclocker to get their hands on one of these and load of dual hexacores to the max. ;)
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
Why is everyone making such a big deal about what cases will fit these mobos? Won't 90%+ of the boards sold sit on the box it was shipped in or a bench table with pots strapped to it?
probably hardcore overclockers would, but crunchers, and all other stuff you can do on this server platform won't...Quote:
Originally Posted by chuchnit
I'll be putting it in my Mountain Mods case which already has an XL-ATX tray.
Agreed except I'm gonna guess that benchers is who they are targeting and everyone else is secondary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
I do :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Helloworld_98
My i7 975 rig dont seem to be enought for my needs, now that this board comes it will certainly be enought for my needs, 12cores / 24 threads oc'd at least 3.5ghz and with 2 x HD5890´s and GTX285 for PhysX and if possible adding another GTX285 for more crunching power, even tough i think i need dual antec 1200oc psu's for this system and to slim down the cards, tons of new waterblocks for loop.
When not doing gaming or other stuff, leaving machine to crunch with all those GPU's and CPU's it will be beast.
12 Cpus / 24 threads, 6+ Gpus and tons of ram, dream come true.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/68/15...4de6bdf725.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Strafe
:yepp:
My opinion as well...half of those PCI-E slots are going to be made useless by double slot video cards anyway. Two IOHs would have allowed 4 x16 PCI-E slots with no gimmicks.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
And looking at the board, there is more than enough space for dual IOHs. A pity indeed...:(
With dual socket boards, do you need to have both sockets active to run or one is enough?
No, you don't have to run both CPUs in sockets, you can also use only one
Is this even possible? The CPU's aren't going to be sharing the same QPI then. Might as well buy two different systems at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by lutjens
It's possible, Supermicro have done that earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by lowfat
Well in DP Xeons there is 2 QPI links, one to X58 and other one to the second CPU.
E: Dual X58
http://www.theinquirer.net/img/11647/2tylers.jpg
Single X58
http://techreport.com/r.x/xeon-w5580...burg-block.gif
LOLOLOL!! i LOVE that movie!Quote:
Originally Posted by Strafe
LOL:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by nateman_doo
Does anyone know what day at CES they'll be unveiling the official specs on this beast?
I'm running it right now with my Tyan S7025 motherboard...two 5520 IOHs, 4 x16 PCI-E slots (all slots have real lanes...no bridge chips).Quote:
Originally Posted by lowfat
http://www.tyan.com/product_SKU_spec...&SKU=600000040
Only 4 DIMM slots per CPU, but this is no real issue, as another rank of DIMMs would slow down memory speed considerably. All in all, the S7025 is an excellent motherboard, that conforms to the E-ATX spec, and possesses simply malevolent I/O capabilities. Superb layout all around, and is incredibly solid and stable. My only real complaint with it is the fact that there aren't any overclocking or tweaking options. No SLI on the board, but I use CrossfireX, so the lack of SLI on the S7025 doesn't really matter to me.
Would this be compatiable with a single Core i7?
Possibly - but if you wanted to add another CPU, you'd have to get 2 new ones anyways since non-Xeon i7's only have one QPI link.Quote:
Originally Posted by H2O
this thing is going to cost a fortune to upgrade to. Requiring dumping my 920 d0
I think only Xeons go on it... even If you use only one socket.
EVGA vs SuperMicro FTW :)
Jacob finally responded to my Tweet.
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We will be showing it to press starting Thursday. You should see some news around then.
Im guessing evga is targeting hardcore overclockers with this board in addition to the normal server/dual socket market. And to do hardcore overclocks (with high bclk) you have to raise the pci-ex bus much higher than a SATA drive can tolerate. Hence the need for IDE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serra
My X25-M was still doing fine @ 115MHz for the PCIe bus. Can't say the same thing for my soundcard though :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheKarmakazi
Trust me they haven't thought about that! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheKarmakazi
Could be. I tend to agree with XS Janus about it probably not being a feature they were thinking about, but it does at least provide a measure of after-the-fact justification.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheKarmakazi
Don't get me wrong though, for actually useful PC speed the few points extra you could get by upping the PCI-E bus speed versus the speed increase you get by using a current high-end drive (eg. faster than the IDE bus) are nothing. So +1 for getting the highest possible score in 1-2 synthetic benchmarks, but not a general use feature.
I don't want to see EVGA design a case for this motherboard.
I want to see Corsair design a case to hold this motherboard. 'nuff said.
Oh, and make sure it can fit plenty of radiators internal to the case please, Corsair.
A Corsair 1000D would be nice :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bolas
Only the size of a small fridge!Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
I would have bought this board if it was a normal E-ATX board, not this longer mess.
Well, it could be a small fridge, chilled air ftw! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
Anyone heard any more from EVGA_Jacob or the folks at CES?
I just found some more news.
http://www.techreaction.net/2010/01/...d-270-gt-w555/
Guess you found old news: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobit
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=242723
Quote jacob: The board is able to run with two ENTIRELY different models of CPU, or the same CPU’s at different multipliers.Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
He didn't say two different versions in the same series, so im assuming it can do i7/Xenon at the same time?
Quote Steve: We got a sneak peek at a new dual processor LGA 1366 board under EVGA's Classified series that was massive. The part number on the board is 270-GT-W555. Some of the specs we uncovered on this board included a three phase PWM for each set of memory slots per CPU, dual NF200 chips for Quad SLI, ICH10R, and high quality solid state capacitors, chokes, and PCB. This board could go for around $500 and EVGA suggested that it will be available in April.
APRIL?! I want it now! :(
I find it hard to believe that it will be below $500 - the current E762 retails for $499 now.
It has to be Xeons, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by individual
You can put xeons in a desktop board but you cant put a desktop board in a server board when it comes to dual socket.
you can put desktop CPU's in server boards.. just a single one though.
all i can really say is why did this take so long to make. I want one right now
Russian, with the way things are moving I think you will be able to use non-server specific CPU's with this board, its what Jake seems to suggest. He did say entirely different cpu models, not different speed cpus within the same series..
In a word: no.Quote:
Originally Posted by individual
Xeons only, i quess he ment non matching cpus = different stepping, but that has never been problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by individual
go ask around at intel :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
they stumbled with skulltrail and fell on their face, this time they could finally get it right, but they didnt touch it... :shrug:
francois?
btw, i think jacob meant that you can use two entirely different cpus as in one with a higher multi than the other. OR two identical ones and run them at different multis. should work... might cause problems with cache and qpi syncing... but i doubt that.
i really hope evga can get i7 chips working on it... that would be so kick4ss :D
From talking with some people internally, They really did the best they could with skulltrail and honestly it was the fastest thing you could get for a desktop that would serve this community. But the business group that does board design is always under lots of top down pressure to make money, and the Skulltrail project turned out to be a loss. For the time they spent working on it, not enough people bought one to make it worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
You could say that the platform just wasn't capable of being something that you would end up turning a profit on, and I venture a guess that EVGA might end up cutting really close to making money on this board as well, but overall it is all about publicity and if the board puts out the best possible #'s for a extended period of time then its done its job. I think as a company, EVGA stands to profit far more from having good publicity surrounding this kind of project as a much higher % of their customers will hear about their success here. For Intel and specificly the group dealing with mobo design and marketing. High end sales is a much smaller % of the boards we put into customers hands and it just ends up not looking like a success to the people watching the bottom line.
It's unfortunate that this is how things work as I'm sure we could have put out something wonderful as well.
Oh and to answer the question...
Do not count on running desktop chips on this
-1st off, you wouldn't be able to run 2 of them because the Xenon chips are linked directly to eachother through their dual QPI's so that you can do a NUMA (Non Uniform Memory Access) type memory architecture. Basically this allows CPU1 to ask CPU2 for something stored in RAM in the event that its not in the RAM directly accessed by CPU1's controller. Without this link, i7's would be at a performance disadvantage as they would have to rely entirely on inteligently placing only stuff that the proper CPU would use in the correct stack of memory otherwise it strikes out and has to run to disk again.
-2nd, running 1 i7 chip in a board like this would be kinda silly :p:
Xeons are the only chips with enough QPIs to make it work...Quote:
Originally Posted by individual
thx for the headsup :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
yeah i expected this... but tbh im surprised intel planned to make money out of skulltrail1... and the funny part is that doing skulltrail2 would have taken a lot less resources than doing skulltrail1, and it would have performed MUCH better...
its a shame, i heard some top intel managers whine about how they arent as popular and successful with their branding as apple, but they arent willing to invest ANY money whatsoever into doing some propper pr and doing something that helps them to be seen as a company pushing technology to its limits... :(
the enthusiast group inside intel is tiny and ignored most of the time... :(
oh and about two i7 chips working on this board... so is a direct qpi link between the cpus mandatory? did intel somehow lock DP operation in the MRC code if there is no direct link between the cpus?
MCM works great on Core2, and thats using a cr4ppy old FSB, and a single FSB for both cpus at that! a dual i7 with one qpi link to the IOH without a direct link between each other would definately work, and it would most likely offer 90% if not more of the perf of a setup with a direct qpi link between the two cpus...
No, it doesnt work that great really. Works better if you disable the snoop filter 90% of the time. Also the FSB is what killed skull trail. If it could have made 430-440mhz reliably it would have been good but as it is motherboards from Supermicro did better. Even my 5000x system could pull 429mhz if I dry iced the chipset, and that was with only 667mhz ram (crap clockers..).Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya