Can I have 1 for testing the lowest flow for my dual D5's pretty please? :P
~Bex
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Can I have 1 for testing the lowest flow for my dual D5's pretty please? :P
~Bex
you know i thought that in the product pic number 2 wold be best and in your results it was... i must have learnt something D= !! yay me =D
Got a question, which "plate" would you recommend for a system with 5 blocks + 2 radiators + 2x D5's? (for an i7)
this is a hard one hey, you'll have plenty of pump power, but so much restriction.Quote:
Originally Posted by dingdong555
Hey, I think you are missing the real stock jet plate with 4 jets.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
I guess your stock jet was not the right one preinstalled. Sorry :(
:shakes: and i was already wondering about the two identical plates (1 installed, 1 loose) :rofl: will get in contact with you :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
any review!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
So any real reviews of this around anywhere? I haven't heard to much about it since the launch
Dragon
one with 3 cutouts :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by dingdong555
You'll retest when you get the real stock plate, right? I was just curious about something with your test; why was your water temp higher with the Heatkiller than in either EK test? I don't expect a block to cool down the water, normally that's a result of differing conditions with the radiator (and possibly the fans).Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
ambient i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain H.N.
I noticed that as well, and it confuses me since ambient was the same with the 7-slits plate as with the Heatkiller, and 0.3*C higher with the 3-slits plate. So what's causing the lower water temps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
In my opinion it is measuring tolerance...Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain H.N.
This is not a real review/test it is just a preview ;)
I think Scamps will not retest this block.
As Xandrus said, it's more of a preview than a review. I'm pretty sure the fantastic guys who usely test these Great things, Bundymania, Vapour, Skinnee and HESmelaugh. Will be all be doing they own tests.
scamps - german MAN, no reason to mistrustQuote:
Originally Posted by Xandrus
Well you know how it is... I'm just a little anxious waiting for Vapor, Bundy, etc., to test. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Xandrus
So, what do you think guys, is it worthy upgrading from Supreme to Supreme HF? Is DDC-1T good enough or do I need D5 for HF?
@Cele303
The HF seems to be at least 3° better on the cores and it has a much better flow. So do it!
@Captain H.N.
As you will know the real testing of "our toys" requires a better and more exact equipment than I owe. My Aquaero, sensors and software tools are absolutely good enough for my private needs, but not for any kind of laboratory testing. I just wanted to know if the HF is at eye level with the Heatkiller 3.0. And now I know he is.
The missing stock plate won´t show better cooling performance than the 3 stripe plate, it will be somewhere between the two I have already tested.
For me it´s a good idea to mistrust any test you find on the web or at least compare different results. If a "toy" seems to be interesting to me I prefer to test it on myself and in my own system.
my first test rounds with the Supreme HF are done and i agree with scamps ! The HF is as good as the Heatkiller 3.0 (copper version) ! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain H.N.
In my upcoming new chart, only the Apogee XT is better
This is good news! Way to go Eddy! :clap:
:wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by bundymania
Thank you for your answer! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Nice!
My only suggestion to anyone testing and tinkering would be to try putting a nice radius on the leading edges (Top side away from the copper microchannels) of the slotted holes. It should be relatively easy with a small disc or tapered diamond bit.
Depending on how much the nozzle plates contribute to pressure drop, you could see a fairly dramatic improvement to flow rate. Assuming a similar relationship to culvert entrance losses, you could see up to something like a 40% reduction in head loss going from a square (Lazer Cut) type edge to something nicely rounded.
http://www.fsl.orst.edu/geowater/FX3...oefficient.htm
Not sure the extra flow relates to anything measureable thermally, but it I can't see how it could harmful.
Eddy how is the white acetal top version coming along? I've got Christmas money burning a hole in my pocket. :)
i'm waiting for the final review of this new unit :D
Same waiting on the numbers to see if i need to replace my Heatkiller LT already lol
Dragon
Sorry, my english skills are not good enough to understand :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Which option is your recommendation?
http://www.abload.de/img/unbenannt2jso.jpg
scamps: that would be your B option.
thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
Very promising! It really makes me wonder what Watercool will introduce in response...Quote:
Originally Posted by bundymania
+1 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain H.N.
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Originally Posted by Captain H.N.
I hope they will hurry up a bit :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Edward88
I did order it direct from EK yesterday - looks promising :)
First "complete" review of the HF that I know:
http://www.awardfabrik.de/kuhlung-wa...-hf-plexi.html
Congratulations, Eddy! You got the crown with best performance at more than reasonable flow :up:
(unlike the XT)
The HF did have better flow than XT, but XT beat HF by 0.2C at 3.6ghz setting and lost by 0.2C at 3.2ghz in their test. They are using core temp avgs, which at best have a repeatability of about ~0.2C, so anything less than that is within margin of error. In fact author of study said "The differences between the Apogee and the supreme HF are so small that a clear winner cannot be called."
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate
Thanks for the link, but I am not sure I would trust that. Their results don't really make sense, if anything it just shows that they didn't do enough trials or that they have a margin of error larger than the precision of the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
Nice review. What does this meanQuote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Negativ:
- Garantieverlust beim Öffnen
It means you lose your warranty when you open it. Pretty strange since it comes with 5 jet planes but you can only use the one installed without losing your warranty?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmad
so it is on par with the Swiftech with a lot better flow, so better for multi block loops, after seeing that review instead of getting a new block im thinking my next up-grade will be a pump, as my heatkiller holds its own and does well with a lot of pump behind it
But i do love the internals of the new EK HF block, great work there
Dragon
Wow.. thanks. I guess I'll just sell my jet-planes if I get this :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadett
You have an HK and you have considered upgrading your block!!!?Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDragon
1°C diff won't save the whales :)
EK pressure tests each block before leaving the plant. After it passes this test, they put a sticker on it which says "warranty void if removed" (or something to that effect). This "warranty" is for a leak free block from the factory, nothing more (DangerDen does the exact same thing). EK will still take care of you down the road providing you don't do something utterly moronic.
Dont think there is much to improve on by cooling performance. What EK did was the next step and that was to lower the restriction without losing the cooling performance and that result is clearly shown in the German test. Still cant get it tho, well I can but some of my other components (from XSPC: Rad+Bay Res) are delayed because of the bad weather :(
@Waterlogged: Thx for clearing that up!:up:
I wonder how it performs then if they use a more restrictive setup. Too bad they haven't tested that but I doubt the difference would be huge.
my old EK supreme leaked when I got it but eddy took careof me even though i had taken it apart while trying to get it not to leak
Besides the fact that it looks and performs great, I also like the fact they've added MX-2 thermal paste. It's a great paste, and saves me having to buy a 4g tube for 7 EUR.
Thank you! This is exactly how it is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Eddy, you should probably reword your sticker then :)
somebody explain how those jet plates work, because Im completely lost.
The jet plates allow for more or less water to pass through the block. More flow means a less restrictive block, but some performance loss. Less flow means a restrictive block, but better performance.
Although I doubt the difference between 2 plates will be more than 1-2C.
I have EK blocks for my 2 5870's and they are the BEST. I have an Apogee XT right now but I think I am going to replace it with this CPU block. I've already had to clean my XT once and the internal pins looked damaged right out of the box (like a bunch of them had been crushed).
No that's a manufacturing error. I believe all blocks have that. It doesn't decrease performance :). And why would you want to change a block that's already the best one out there? You'll only be downgrading.
Has "downgrading" been proven in a direct head-to-head test? From what I've seen, the EK performs as good as the XT and maintains higher flow rates.
They're called impingement jets. They work something similar to what you see with an open hose vs. a hose with a sprayer on it. The open hose may flow more water but at a lower "pressure" while the sprayer, while somewhat reducing flow, increases the pressure of the water striking the block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandr0s
And it's creating turbulence in the block. Low turbulence equals lower performance, higher turbulence equals better performance......more water has the chance to actually touch the block's surface so there may be the chance of enhanced heat exchange with increased turbulence inside the block.
yeah, the only test I saw that scamps referenced earlier in this thread showed them performing same temp wise, ie within 0.2C or within margin of error (one block tested higher on one setting, other on other, basically blocks are so close margin of error exceeds difference).Quote:
Originally Posted by sprayingmango
Though Alexandr0s may have seen some other testing and perhaps would like to share?
And for those saying data does not make sense because at 3.2 one was .2C better, and at 3.6 other was .2C, along with couple other tests switching places with 0.2 margins... actually just looks like honest data to me coupled with margin of error of few tenths degree C (which is true for anyones testing) exceeds difference in 2 blocks in their tests.
Any plan on selling this block nickel plated version, Eddy? :)
on it´s way:Quote:
Originally Posted by kpablo
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/index.p...t01returnid=17
Sweet~!Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
Thanks for the great reply. I was not trying to be a a jerk, just looking for honest data.
:up: But the test bed determines margin of error, always something to remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
We should be seeing more test data sometime in the near future. :wasntme:
BTW, "near future" is in skinnee labs time not forum time. :p:
Just sold my Heatkiller 3.0 to buy this block :D. Not for the performance, but just for the fact that its EK and it looks cool.
What I was trying to say: He has a block that cost about 80$. From what I've seen was that the EK performs very similar to the XT. I was wondering why he wanted to change to another block, while he already has an amazing block. It's not like now that EK released a new block the XT isn't interesting anymore. It's still an extremely well performing CPU block.
tomorrow?Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
:D
forum time: tomorrow= within 2 hours (it's always tomorrow somewhere, right?)
skinnee time: tomorrow= within a couple days, weeks, months; meh, Imma gonna go eat mo pie ;)
Like to see comparision against Apogee GTZ.
the gtz is really good based from gabe's conclusion
http://www.xtremesystems.org/FORUMS/...d.php?t=226455Quote:
OBSERVATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS
Given the precision of the CPU DTS (+/- 1ºC) these test results are accurate at +/- 1ºC. We can observe that GTZ and HK3.0 are tied, and that 350AC is visibly trailing behind
yeah but gabes results dont mirrors vapors. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
http://vapor.skinneelabs.com/i7/Roun...impleTemps.png
Can anyone confirm a copper version of the EK-Supreme HF, it seems recently EK has lost it's copper love, just an FYI Mr. Eddy there are people out there who prefer pure copper to nickle.
What exactly is the difference between copper and nickel anyway? I mean doesnt copper have better heat conductivity? So why put nickel there :confused:
A full copper block is in development. It will have little diferent looks than plexi and acetal...
Due to lack of material needed for copper top (the specific dimensions and delivery time) the block will not be ready till end of February. But hoping to make it ASAP.
The blocks are only nickeplated, the nickel is so thin it doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elpy
But still what's the difference? :D Only thing I can think about is that it looks cooler... but it's not like you will see it anyway after you mount it :eek:
yes its all about looks. Yes it looks hot. I have a window, you should install one ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elpy
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/627/lianlifinish018.jpg
Aren't most the things you do with watercooling mostly for the looks? :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elpy
It's just a cool extra that it allows for easy overclocking :).
Wow. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandr0s
I started water cooling for two reasons:
1. I wanted the "holy grail" of performance and quiet. Got it too.
2. I'm an incessant fiddler :)
A bit OT, but I agree with above, andQuote:
Originally Posted by warriorpoet
3. I love the look that people give you when you say you have water in your computer.... And my wife cannot understand why it takes longer to put together the cooling together than the actual computer....
Eddy, love the new block, and love all the options, cannot wait to see a white one up close.
No, a full copper version like so:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibbler
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7...opper01.th.jpg
I would buy a replacement Cu top but if i can recall the Supreme top and the HK are not the same.
Thanks for the heads up, was very tempted to get the HK last night, but I'll hold out some more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
I still dont quite get the looks thing with the nickel version. I can understand it more in GPU since you can actually see the copper but with a CPU block you arent gonna see it anyway :F. Or well maybe in the acrylic top.
But anyway, Just ordered my Supreme HF nickel from EK! Got the Nickel version just because of the shiny screws ^^. They go better with silver BP fittings. Makes me wonder if I'm stupid for paying 5€ more for shiny screws... :rofl:
Ok guys i am considering swapping my Xt for this block since they perform about the same but this one has much much better flow.
My current loop has XT + 2 mcw60's a 360 thermochill and a 240mm TFC rad and all on one mcp655 is this fine? or should i switch to the HF for the flow benefits?>
If you have a lot of spare cash, go ahead. However, I'm not sure you'll see a difference in performance.
Onoff, any difference you would notice would come from mounting and thermal paste issues.
Mine has arrived - and it does look very good, I sort of find it strange that Slovenia which have thousands of beggars in the streets of Norway are able to produce such high quality products.
Something is very wrong on this planet :shrug: (EU suxx)
http://i47.tinypic.com/xaxliv.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2iqyj55.jpg
Sorry but i dont trust non US sites that test.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
THIS IS NOT A PROPER TEST BED.
http://www.awardfabrik.de/images/sto...f_plexi/28.jpg
Not EU 1 tester has shown a decient bed.
Hes (had a good bed BUT) -> proved false by Vapor
Bundy -> again... proved false by Vapor.
Shall i go on?
Also have u noticed EACH time a EU tester does a test, its quickly pointed out by Vapor's test it was BAD?
EU have great engineering.. but there testing methodology is conducted by a bunch of clowns.
And if you EU testers want me to take this comment back, SET UP A DECIENT TEST BED LIKE VAPORS OR SKINNEE, OR DONT TEST AT ALL.
YOU WILL BE PUT ON FIRE BY US WHEN VAPOR AND SKINNEE PROVES YOUR TEST TO BE FALSE.
THEN YOU WILL BE HUMILIATED.
This is my warning to the EU testers.
2010, The US testers are going to NAIL you guys hard.
get a proper bed, or be prepared to never show your faces again on this forum.
This also apply to vendors. Get your testers straight, or your company will look bad as well.
Sorry, but I am really happy that I have not read such a nonsens for a very long time ... no further comment :rolleyes: :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
They test the "old" way - in other words "real world" and not on a bench. Vapors test's have been questioned more than once - with T3 as the most known controversy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
If you belive Vapor has THE answers be my guest - I dont...
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
IN US WE TRUST
no those dont apply because i bet you he didnt hold steady ambients.Quote:
Originally Posted by Main
Ambients can make a test fluctuate, thats why vapor skinnee, and martin, as well as the olds like cathar, always had a delta chart.
Delta ambient / water temp.
I can go on and on about how bad EU testers are.
First off when you test a CPU block, its ONLY the cpu block.
You dont throw in GPU + Mosfet.
EU testers just piss me off, because i get people saying this is better, when its NOT.
And after a lot of discussion, we can see that some EU testers are Favoring vendors by "tweeking" values.
When was "tweeking" values considered fair testing?
You can make all the fun of me you guys wants.
But when the tests come out fake, it wont be me that looks bad.
I had a lot of opportunity @ CES to talk to a lot of people.
And one thing for sure, I know a few people that arent gonna let the EU get there way this year.
Real tests, with real methodology and a real working bed.
This is what we ask for.
Has 1 EU tester done it? Yes HES did, however, his results are very off with vapors.
Now why is that?
@skinneeee
Would you please place this redneck into next available drunk tank? Thank you!
To be quite honest with you, I am doubting some of Vapor's "conclusions" myself. No offense to Vapor but he always seems to over exaggerates Swiftech's products, leading me to believe he has a bias. Especially when what he says cannot be confirmed by anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
That said, Vapor still knows more about watercooling than 98.9% of the world.
watch.. you think im joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Lets see what happens in the next few months shall we?
Thats fine, but you can look at all his data.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmad
Vapor is open, so is skinnee.
His results are also repeatable, unlike others.
If you cant repeat the results, then its not considered a fair test.
Im not saying this block isnt the best. There isnt any testing that proves its the best.
Im saying if your gonna make a claim like its the best, without a valid test source to prove it, your passing mis information.
We got rid of all the monkeys who gave out mis information.
I tell you one thing NaeKuh - I was the first person in the world that made a testbench for coolers - using a peltier. We are talking ¨ten years ago so we didn't have that much possibillities that reviewers have today. Today you can buy a testbench for coolers.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
I read a lot of tests - but no test alone decides, I read xxxxx tests but I don't trust xxxx tests more than anyone elses.
You don't like me anymore Naekuh :p I still love you though :up: Think most of my results have been inline with Skinnee's results, I however I'm not bothered much by all the flow charts and co... I don't have the time to measure all that stuff... which in fact is a shame (I know). But if readers ask more detailed info : I'll always send them to skineeeeeeeeeeeelabsQuote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
no i have high expectations off you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
If skinnee saw no flaw, then its fine, i probably wont.
And i hope you set a new standard.
I only mean the old EU testers.
You know EXACTLY who i am talking about.
Take another thing into consideration - you americans hardly understand more than your own language, whilst all europeans can read english and very often several more languages (I can understand 7 languages - and thats not unusual in this part of the world).
So you americans are really locked out of understanding a :banana::banana::banana::banana:load of tests, I see no reason linking to a lot of tests here that you will have to use google to understand - and as we know google really suxx...
With old I hope you are not talking about age as I might be the oldest fart in town here :p... Well I don't think anyone really intentionally messes up his testing/results...eg I had some weird results with the EK supreme block ( was 1-2°C better performing on my setup than eg on Hondacity's ) tested and retested outcome was alike... sometimes it's weird, but that's life...
*sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by Main
Link an EU test... want to rip it?
Show me a good test bed with methodology besides HES.
HES showed us you EU guys can have a good bed.
But why is his results so off with everyone else?
If you guys just dont have the means to test properly i understand, but
HES HAD A REALLY GOOD TEST BED.
WHY cant others follow HES's example in the EU, with just accurate results?
And not all of HES's results are inaccurate, he has a lot of accurate stuff, its just a FEW products it show's he's favoring.
I'm old.... that have it's advantages - I have no debt anymore and the children has left the house :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
GAh i mean old testers as in those whose been testing for awhile.
Not age... You can be 14 or 60 for all i care, as long as you have a solid bed.
I like hard beds. Doesn't have to be solid rock or anything, a comforter on top would be dandy :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
i can read a chart in almost any language. its really simple when numbers are UNIVERSAL. i understand there is a bit a debate here between users, but generalizing a population is abit extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Main
I can also link to a lot of US tests that are highly questionable... would that make you feel better ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh