two questions:
-any pics from inside of top?
-is this compressions fittings 10/16mm (3/8" / 5/8") compatibile?
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two questions:
-any pics from inside of top?
-is this compressions fittings 10/16mm (3/8" / 5/8") compatibile?
No. sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketzer7
pic on housing: no, but I guess we could take some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duniek
compression fitting: the block is compatible with G1/4" thread. you can use any compression fittings you want that have a G1/4 thread.
Definitely looking forward to seeing some user experiences with this. Heck, I'm totally new to WC (first CPU block to be delivered today, Enzo Sapph)) and I'm already looking at this and the HK 3.0 LT, heh.
I'll probably end up with all three!
Many thanks gabe. :clap::up: I know I'm not the only one that'll be happy when they finally show up, the other vendors prices are just too outrageous for them ATM. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
thanks but I mean if will be enough space for compression fittings (one has 22mm diameter)Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
also about pics I am wondering bcoz at all I will buy this block (but from USA so I will need to wait for them about 3-4weeks :(
If you turn the inlet 180 it should be ok. Wait for gabe to confirm this though :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Duniek
The 1366 backplate that I've now with my GTZ = the same is this one right? So no motherboard remounting?
I am going out on a limb here but if it can take 1/2" 3/4" compressions then I think it could take a smaller fitting in the alternate orientation. If you just take a gander at the pictures I think it is pretty straightforward how much room you have.
He confirmed it would take 1/2" 3/4" BP comp fittings. IIRC, those are the largest ones out atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duniek
just saw this on www.frozencpu.com for $89.99
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-Apo...k-pr-4568.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by CobraXP
79.99 at jab-tech
just when i bought my gtz too (literally set it up yesterday) -.-
Excellent :up: Cheers for that. Do you have an ETA for availability in the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Waterlogged beat you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CobraXP
Still have 3 left :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
ahhh I see nowQuote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
but if I invert plate, performance will not drop a little?
I think he said most a degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duniek
edit: yep, just checked site. Gabe claims it is at most a degree. We will have to wait for Vapor to confirm this though.
Big whoop for a degree. Let's see I have my fans on at 2500 rpm.....I'll kick it to 3000rpm to compensate. Still have another 3000 rpm to play with when benching. :up:
Just make certain you anchor it down this time. NWA is getting tired of diverting planes around your house. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
LMFAO...:rofl: Yeah I guess it's pretty bad when you registering 400 watts in power in just fans!Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
On another note though...Powder coating that bracket black would really add to the value of this block. I think that' what I will do with it when I pick one up sometime next week.
Come on Gary, put some of them online :brick:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
haha! Stealing my idea! lol j/k
My only concern is I'd want to be able to buy another regular chromed bracket just in case anything went awry powder coating the original..
damn im gone for one day and looks what happens...
correction: our test show 0.1C difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
the bigger difference is in pressure drop (see curve). this will not be noticeable in a cpu loop only, but could be more noticeable in a loop including multiple devices. although it should also be said that the XT is not very flow sensitive.
Sorry bout that Gabe, looked real quick and saw the whole numbers and not the fractions :(Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Is this AMD Phenom 2 BE 965 compatible?
Okay cool! Yay gained back some RPM! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
You should see what happens when I restart the computer. For a second the BIOS is not doing anything and therefore the fans are full speed due to a lack of a PWM signal. Hilarious! Wife and kids know every time I restart it. :rofl:
I hope neighboors not :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
Hi Gabe, any idea if any XT blocks are due to shipping to Australian distributors soon ??Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
PPC has them in stock, go get them :D
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=26480
Wow $90 after shipping is like ~$100 for me, thx but no thx i can't afford another block now :(
Technical bulletin:
ISSUE:
We have just uncovered an interference issue with Gigabyte boards socket 1366, X58 chipset; the model numbers are: GA-EX58-EXTREME, GA-EX58-UD3R GA-EX58-UD3R-SLI, GA-EX58-UD4P and GA-EX58-UD5.
PROBLEM DESCRIPTION:
All these boards feature a group of caps located flush with the CPU socket (left hand side , between socket and I/O ports).
The edge of the Apogee XT copper base plate is slightly interfering with these caps by a few tenth of a millimeter. This may prevent proper installation, and could cause damage to the board.
OTHER MAKES AND MODELS:
In the best of our knowledge, the issue is STRICTLY limited to the above mentioned Gigabyte models, and does not affect ANY other models or brands on the market at this time.
RESOLUTION:
We are in the process of implementing a fix for this, consisting in adding a chamfer to the Apogee XT base plate that will provide sufficient clearance for these caps. Validation of the solution will be finalized by Monday October 12th. All Apogee XT blocks will subsequently receive the revision.
Early adopters of the Apogee XT and owners of the Gigabyte boards are advised of the following:
While it has been reported to us that it is possible to carefully mount the block by gently nudging the caps to the left while mating the block to the CPU, we do not recommend using the Apogee XT with these boards until a revision to the base plate has been implemented.
Users can either return their block to the point of purchase for a full refund, or send us back their block directly for an immediate revision. All efforts will be made to maintain a turnaround time of 24 hours.
Please contact Michelle@swiftech.com if you have the above issue.
We do apologize for the inconvenience.
[EDIT] *******10-13-09 UPDATE******
The final technical bulletin has now been published on the Apogee XT product page.
Nice work gabe. A great looking new block and the usual customer support. Good on'ya swiftech! :up:
Just put my BNIB GTZ up for sale in my local forums
Hahas
this block sure looks good
@ gabe: i'm really interested :D (right now i own a GTZ 775 :p)
but i've an important question: what about the back-socket compatibility? i mean this (eVGA P55 FTW)
http://gilgameshreviews.com/images/r...ckofboards.jpg
ps. someone can tell me if i can find the block in the UK? :D
Holy grief :( just ordered mine from performancepcs yesterday, and I have EX58-EXTREMEQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I live in Norway so it will cost a fortune to return it !
Is it anyway to fix this myself ? File away the affected area ? Will the performance of the block be degraded then ?
Another question regarding the mounting - mount it as stated in the manual both on atx / btx mainboards ?
Mine is coming in tomorrow or Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Main
I have GB x58 EXtreme as well. Same issue occurs with vertical mount of HK waterblock. Vapor found if you nudge caps out of way, which I did for a while, it works...but I got tired of having to do that playing with different tims....so 3 minutes with a file, just rounded/flattened that one square edge, no more problems. Also with my finger had gently but permanently nudged the caps over by probably 0.1 or 0.2 mm as well.
If its the same issue as heatkiller, Ill be filing mine down. I appreciate Swiftechs great customer support...but my laziness for returning items knows no bounds.
If all your doing is rounding one edge, your obviously not going to affect the performance of the block, unless somehow you managed to make it leak/damage it, though dont see how if similar to HK issue.
It is this interfering edge on HK, that I rounded/flattened. NOTE: I am not suggesting anyone else do this, especially since Gabe is going to take care of it.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8716/29718003.jpg
BTW...any chance of seeing a pic or description of swiftech base change...ie, is the edge simply being rounded/flattened?
Seems Gigabyte's caps causing issues again. :shakes:
Its great you guys found that quickly and are adjusting the block to fit properly. Great job as usual Gabe. :up:
Main,
Send an e-mail to Michelle and explain your situation, they may very well work out something for you. :)
Might well be that I do contact them ... but then again I know how to use a file... and have access to a mechanical workshop too. So I can mill the edge down if I want a perfect result.
Let's see what Swifttech answer here...
just send an email say you have the necessary equipment to do it yourself, and if possible be able to and still maintain the warranty.. that or ask them to pay shipping..Quote:
Originally Posted by Main
or you cold just nudge the caps out the way a tad :/
XS forums bring people together :up: !
Does the Apogee XT have better flow rates than a Heatkiller 3.0?
It's between the two of them for me. While the XT performs better by about 1c...heatkiller looks better and can perform the same with silicon grease so it really comes down to flow rates
Would be nice to get one of these including in the october roundup (hint, hint Sir Gabe :p)
done - email michelle@swiftech.com for your updated address.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I agree. But let me take this opportunity to elaborate a little further here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Main
We have been working double time on this issue in the past 24 hours. For the record, when we designed our block, we used Intel official specifications (362033_362033_Nehalem_EP_EMTS_Ver1.52). If there are any revisions to this document affecting the keep-out zone, I am not aware of them.
The keep-out zone around the socket specifies that NO COMPONENTS SHOULD EXCEED 7MM IN HEIGHT ABOVE BOARD.
Knowing that the CPU IHS is 7.8mm above board, this obviously makes sense.
Gigabyte capacitors have been measured at 8.6mm above board. So they clearly are in violation of Intel specs. Now, are they the only ones? No Sirree.. Measured the caps on an Asus board, and the height is comprised between 8.7 and 8.8mm above board. The big difference between the Asus and the gigabyte boards is that Asus in their infinite wisdom, chose to place these caps far away enough from the socket so that they don't interfere with extra large heatsinks.
Note: any Intel rep reading this, welcome to comment or PM me.
/Rant on: So now, I am seriously frustrated because we have to revise several hundred base plates. Where are we going if M/B manufacturers don't respect Intel specs???? What's even more frustrating, is that I understand that [another] waterblock manufacturer is suffering the same pligh, but didn't do anything about it, forcing consummers to install their product in a less than optimal configuration.. /Rant off
Anyways, as far as you are concerned, this is what we'll do: send you a replacement plate without you having to return the "bad" one. Please contact michelle@swiftech.com to give her your address.
I really do not recommend you do that. contrary to my earlier announcement, where we were planing on cutting a simple chamfer, it appears (subject to final validation) that the "proper" and final revision necessitates milling a 1.3mm deep x 2.5mm wide step all around the plate (avoiding the screws so as not to damage the threads). 7.8 + 1.3 = 9.1mm Plenty of clearance, even with lapped processors! But, it's not something you can do at home. If you butcher your plate, I guarantee you that you will lose performance, and likely not get sufficient clearance with the caps.Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
just email Michelle@swiftech.com, and we'll send you a replacement plate next week. However, since you are in the US, we will ask for your original plate back ;-)
Warning: the above discussion and information is subject to change, until final validation.
That is great news Gabe. It is nice to see that you are taking care of this issue. That is issue was discovered with HK's blocks and we haven't heard anything from them on it. We all know how great reference designs are with the GTX200 series.
Thanks again Gabe. :up:
Thanks for the warning, yeah that is a little beyond my filing skills. I will email michelle when it arrives.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Excellent ! ... I have the GTZ in my box now (see sig) - extremely pleased with it; as well as the other products from you I have :) - and have had in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Today I also learnt a new lesson - Swiftech's customer policy is like their products I know - excellent !!!
Have a nice weekend ! ( that goes to all here for that matter :up: )
Edit: I had this question about how to mount the GTZ / XT in BTX cases ; is this correct or what :
http://i37.tinypic.com/kbejd3.jpg
Ahem ahem :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Astratuner
i bought a gtz a day before this comes out......
Yes, your GTZ installation is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Main
However, the GTZ and XT are two entirely different waterblocks, and the mounting orientation is explained differently in our installation guide.
Apogee GTZ:
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...rientation.gif
Apogee XT:
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...RIENTATION.jpg
In the XT as shown above, we explain the mounting orientation by making use of an easily recognizable feature of the block: 2 sides of the block have 3 screws, and 2 sides have only 2 screws, and we ask that one of the sides with 3 screws be adjacent and parallel to the socket locking lever.
You are correct. plug-and-play!Quote:
Originally Posted by Astratuner
I'm in the same situation. I just bought that same mb and already own a gtz, but was planning on buying the XT. I have yet to put the rig together, but it seems that there would be interference with the back plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by KURTZ
I'm about get that board and was planning on using the 775 mounting holes. I'm curious if you will see temp differences between using socket 775 holes and the new 1156 holes.
if you notice all our announcements, and our web site, we say that the back-plate for socket 1156 is expected to arrive mid-october. I hope by end of next week. we'll ship it for free upon request if you just bought an XT.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecdm
Gary now has it: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swapxtcpuwa.html
Gabe, the distance between the holes for 1156 is in between those of 1366 and 775. so why dont you make a single hold down plate with slots?
Yes indeed and I've sent him an email to replace the EK supreme LT with that one in my order, ( I hope he replies soon )!Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
that's what we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChielScape
In reference to http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=131
I am glad to confirm that the revision to provide full compatibility with the Gigabyte boards listed in reference (above link) has now been validated. It consists in a 2.5mm wide x 1.3mm deep step running along the edge of the base plate.
Here is what it looks like:
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...POLISHX800.jpg
Nice job Gabe. :up:
Nice shine to that block Gabe! Awesom-O! :up: Cannot wait to play around with one of these soon. Not going to use the bolts with springs you have here. Will be using my good ol hard mount. Well it's because I will be lazy as I don't want to take the board out. :yepp:
Can't wait for these to be easily available in Aus. Love that you went through the trouble of making them work with GB motherboards when it was of no fault of your own.
Unfortunately their only other option would be to slap a warning label on it and hope nobody with a Gigabyte motherboard misses the warning and subsequently gets angry at swiftech for the damage cranking the block down would cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by nipper575
It was just the right thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ecidious
Which is why swiftech is the best....Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Now in stock at Jab-Tech!
@ Gabe, there is nothing wrong with the first revision of the block if I don't have a Gigabyte board right? Have one incoming next week which is rev.1 and don't have a Gigabyte board.
Any news about European availability?
http://www.chilledpc.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=11452Quote:
Originally Posted by JaD
Nice!
Always loved Swiftech blocks, awaiting UK stock for my new build :)
Still, not a great rush as I'm also awaiting i9 and GT300 as 5870 seems a negligible upgrade from a pair of 4870x2s....
In the meantime I'm cutting my fingers getting ATX PSU pins out for cable braiding...
Eagerly awaiting some review numbers. :)
You probobly cant answer this that well (Which I would understand) but I have a Q6600 (LGA775) which is lapped and a EK Supreme LT to cool it, would you "think" I would get better temps with this even though its lapped?
Also will it work with I9 when they arrive? I suppose it would but I havent read if anything is changing or if the cpu is so much different that it will require a new design to be cooled optimally.
So am I! Looks great but we need performance numbers =)Quote:
Originally Posted by CedricFP
absolutely no problem - please also refer to updated technical bulletinQuote:
Originally Posted by woffen
we are finishing revising all the blocks for Europe before we ship them, so we don't have to worry about the gigabyte compatibility over there. shipping end of the week to our master distributor.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaD
the retention mechanism has been adjusted to also work with lapped processors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mech0z
Ci9: insufficient data on hands to respond with any accuracy - In theory, it looks very promising.
Installing 2 of these tomorrow!!! Can't wait.
keep us updated :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CobraXP
Have not seen other replies, so....Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms
Per the Swiftech site.....
"Hold-down plates for other processors, such as AMD's and server platforms will be released in the coming weeks and available in option."
So, any updates on actual performance update and/or reviews? Debating between a HK 3.0 or this.
Done with testing as of ~1 hour ago :p:
Working on the write-up, should be up the next couple days. :)
Awesome vapor, can't wait to check it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
I've noticed you can get a 775 mount for free if you buy one of these. Do I need to get in contact with the supplier or actually with swiftech to get this? As i have 775 at the moment, but will be upgrading to i7 when funds allow...
yes, contact michelle@swiftech.com. if you already have a swiftech block, you do not need anything. just re-use the existing back-plate, they are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by slamz
Eagerly waiting... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
ah ok, awesome, will do when I by the xt block :) do i need any proof of purchase? as I'd like to have the mountings when the block comes so i can use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Gabe is the 1156 Bracket just a Backplate? or do you get a new bracket to go on the block also ?
The 1156 will be just a backplate...the stock bracket can do 775, 1156, and 1366 (and advertises 771, but I thought that wasn't a square-hole design, so IDK about that).
Hey Gabe any time frame on when the AM3 backplate will be released?
Yes you do:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by slamz
Just a back-plateQuote:
Originally Posted by EvilClocker
I need to clear some confusion here :) In the Motherboard and CPU compatibility secton, we advertise: "The Apogee™ XT is shipped with a universal hold-down plate and retention mechanism compatible with all Intel® Core™ desktop (in bold also on the site) processors: socket 775, socket 1156, and socket 1366. ."Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Socket 771 is not Desktop class, it's server class.
I think the confusion comes from the fact that in the Performance section we say "Mechanical design of the copper base plate is optimized for Intel® socket LGA 771, 775, 1156 and 1366"
The AM2/AM3 bracket is in production.It will also include mounting holes for Xeon (771) server class platforms.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms
ETA is 4 weeks.
ACK!Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Gabe, any Updates on the Backplate for 1156 ?
Gabe also, does the XT Block work ok with 1/4 tubing on low flow systems ? Currently running a Coolit System Boreas with (2) Freezone Elites in the loops.. Water Temp stay around 19-20C
I am Currently Using a EK Supreme Gold Block. and with vcore at 1.39 running 4ghz With HT on my I7 860 full load 62-64-59-65 Water Temps 19.6C Been running Prime95 for 8hrs and counting
hoping the XT Block will help
XT should be better. Less restrictive (and according to Gabe less flow sensitive) and Swiftech's numbers plus Vapor's GTZ numbers make me think this will be a better performer too.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilClocker
Can't wait to see the resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Should hopefully be there end of week or early next.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilClocker
Vapor should publish results today or tomorrow. Just read the article ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilClocker
Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Wow, he's calling you out Vapor! :rofl: haha
I am hoping the Xt block is alot better then my EK Supreme Gold.. Because I got my water down to 18C last nite running Full Load Prime 95 and my cpu temps dont change much.. appears my block doesnt do a good job transfering heat
I doubt the temps did not change. As the temp shold fall almost equally like water temp.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilClocker
eddy, the temps are not changing very much as my water gets colder.. I think its because I am using 1/4 tubing like I said in my previous post. "cpu temps dont change much" I am using a Koolance pump that does 7 L/Min with 2.6m Head Preassure.. This is on a Core I7 860 4ghz with HT On 1.39 Vcore
Any idea on UK availability?
gabe, Will you guys sell the mounting bracket, screws, springs and backplates seperately as a mounting kit from the xt? It would be good for guys that lost it or want to mount their own waterblocks. I like the swiftech mounting.