HD5870 and HD5850 Reviews

All these people saying its less than they expected.... are already running 4870x2's and 295's!

Well DUH. Of course that means it's not a worthy upgrade (with no dx11 titles yet, assuming you don't want multi monitor).

But I don't think for anyone who has an older card that there is a more sensible option.. given you can crossfire later (who's going to run 2x295's? :p)

5870 = 4870x2 is huge. Maybe you're all at the bleeding edge and its nothing to you, but I'm not. I've got a 7000 series in the server and a 2600 in my laptop.... if you were me, looking for a grand upgrade, what would you buy? :p

God reading through the Anandtech review, I had no idea how many things got added into DX11 and I'm sure the HTPC users will be happy to know that we can use protected audio through it *finally*!

This is pretty good news for ATI:

- Fastest single-card solution (likely to be comparable to GT300 even if slower).
- By far the best energy performance of any card. This adds significant value to the card, making it quieter and cheaper to run over the long term (lower khws drawn for computing and A/C).
- Drivers will likely increase the performance of the card a substantial amount over time.
- DX11 games will increase the gap between 5870 and 295. (This does make the comparison with GT300 more important.)

In sum, this is the best product you can currently buy. GT300 can potentially best it in FPS, but ATI has created a serious competitor that is signficantly faster, more efficient, and reasonably priced AT LAUNCH, which is guaranteed to become cheaper and faster due to drivers over time...nVidia is going to have a hell of a time competing here.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...on-hd5870.html
nice low power use
14.7 idle
25.8 2d
107 3dm06
161.3 futurmark

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Originally Posted by Machinus

This is pretty good news for ATI:

- Fastest single-card solution (likely to be comparable to GT300 even if slower).
- By far the best energy performance of any card. This adds significant value to the card, making it quieter and cheaper to run over the long term (lower khws drawn for computing and A/C).
- Drivers will likely increase the performance of the card a substantial amount over time.
- DX11 games will increase the gap between 5870 and 295. (This does make the comparison with GT300 more important.)

In sum, this is the best product you can currently buy. GT300 can potentially best it in FPS, but ATI has created a serious competitor that is signficantly faster, more efficient, and reasonably priced AT LAUNCH, which is guaranteed to become cheaper and faster due to drivers over time...nVidia is going to have a hell of a time competing here.

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LoL exactly, I m not sure what people were expecting, especially with Launch Drivers... I see big potential still, you have it beating the x2 in most cases and the 295gtx in many... doing it quieter, and as a single card solution.. pretty impressive.

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

Id wait for XFX, Sapphire's support and warranty sucks.

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Zipzoomfly has it at $399.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...tCode=10011222

Sold out while I was writing this though. With bing cashback puts it at $388 shipped.

The XFX model is in stock at NCIX in Canada for $429CND ($20 instant rebate) If I were to get one, this would be the one I'd get. I just can't justify spending upwards of 400 dollars on a card that is slower in many cases just for the sake of power usage and noise.

For those looking to upgrade a card that is more than a generation old however, they look to be quite nice. As has been mentioned in a few of the reviews, it still remains to be seen how DX11 and OpenCL will fair. I personally expect DX11 to outperform DX10 if its done right but we shall see.

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Originally Posted by Mad1723

I will correct you, it's not. It's just 2 times the shaders of the 4870/4890, so people assumed it was a dual core GPU... ;)

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Well let's see when pcgh provides a microstutter review sometime in the future and debunk the myth.

are ppl forgetting the 9800gx2 beat the ati 4870 and gtx 280 pretty handily when they came out..
dunno what ppl were expecting, I think the performance of this card is blazing, the price is good, the features are great.

I've been a computer nerd since the Vic20 back in 1983!

I really find it hard to believe people are knocking this card, it's frikken awesome and ~$150 less than what the GTX295 was yesterday... :p:

FWIW, I learned my lesson about staying on the cutting edge of video cards, it's a really expensive proposition!

I love the 5870!! I bought a 4870 Saturday for $129...

I'm a Happy Camper. :D

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Originally Posted by villa1n

LoL exactly, I m not sure what people were expecting, especially with Launch Drivers... I see big potential still, you have it beating the x2 in most cases and the 295gtx in many... doing it quieter, and as a single card solution.. pretty impressive.

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I see this launch as an opportunity for NV, the door is left really wide open because the gap is not nearly big enough.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643&p=17

If you ignore resident evil(37%) and Dawn of war II(loses by 4%), the gap between CF 5870 and GTX 285 SLI is between 10-20% ahead for the 5870cf.

This is all speculations but..

If the GTX 380 is indeed 510 shaders vs 240 and higher clocks than the gtx 285 and they improve the AA algorithm which has been long overdue for the company and other things coming with the new architechture(since it is said to be new), I can see a GTX 380 possibly being as fast as a CF 5870 or a 5870x2. If this happens(and it is a big if), NV will be able to charge as much as they want for the gtx 380. And similarly a gtx 395 will be untouchable. I know its the halo, and people don't spend the most money there(volume), but its enough to make the 5870 crumble in price which is a good thing. It also gives NV room to attack the 5870 in its own home, with scaled down versions of the gtx 380.

I think waiting for the gtx 380 whatever flavor you go, because I can't see the gtx 380 not having an effect on the price of the 5870.

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Really liked Guru3D Conclusion

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Talking about transcoding, it surely didn't suck to see how fast the transcoding process was handled by the Radeon HD 5870, leading performance and nothing less.

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Actually I'm a little bit dissapointed with perf in video transcoding. With almost 2 TFLOPs of perf HD5870 should be at least 10 times faster then 3.8GHz Nehalem (120 GFLOPs) not just by 16%.
But the power consumption is really impressive for such a powerful card.

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

I see this launch as an opportunity for NV, the door is left really wide open because the gap is not nearly big enough.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643&p=17

If you ignore resident evil(37%) and Dawn of war II(loses by 4%), the gap between CF 5870 and GTX 285 SLI is between 10-20% ahead for the 5870cf.

This is all speculations but..

If the GTX 380 is indeed 510 shaders vs 240 and higher clocks than the gtx 285 and they improve the AA algorithm which has been long overdue for the company and other things coming with the new architechture(since it is said to be new), I can see a GTX 380 possibly being as fast as a CF 5870 or a 5870x2. If this happens(and it is a big if), NV will be able to charge as much as they want for the gtx 380. And similarly a gtx 395 will be untouchable. I know its the halo, and people don't spend the most money there(volume), but its enough to make the 5870 crumble in price which is a good thing. It also gives NV room to attack the 5870 in its own home, with scaled down versions of the gtx 380.

I think waiting for the gtx 380 whatever flavor you go, because I can't see the gtx 380 not having an effect on the price of the 5870.

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I d be skeptical of any sli vs CF comparisons with immature drivers... I would only take single card results for the moment, as the yare probably more representative of the performance so the margin between a 285 vs 5870... probably accurately reflects the performance diff, versus the CF / SLI comparison at the moment, as scaling will most likely improve substantially from launch numbers.

To better illustrate... http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/r...2344/20093.png

Compare the scaling of a 4870 to a 4870x2 .. versus a 5870 to 5870x2... now unless there is some architectural abnormality with 58xx series, the scaling should come close to mirroring what the 4870 achieved, granting there is no bottlenecking to prevent that via pci-e or cpu, etc.

On top of that, I m sure these clock speeds aren't set in stone, as the process matures, we ll have what equates to 4890's appearing as well i m sure, that and the fact nvidia to the best of our knowledge isn't ready to launch anything for 4months yet... So we ll see, I think this will drop 4870x2's like a rock, and 285's and 295's as well, which will allow me to cheaply trifire a 4870x2 with my 48701gb while i wait and let the smoke settle in q1 2010 ^^ Plus, it remains to be seen if the lynnfield will suffer at high res from the pci-e lanes..at 8x ** that answers that! lol.

Awesome, amazing idle power consumption.

I like the techpower up review. They compare various pcie x lanes by taping off the conductors. testing 1x 4x 8x and 16x

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...caling/25.html

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Originally Posted by strange|ife

I like the techpower up review. They compare various pcie x lanes by taping off the conductors. testing 1x 4x 8x and 16x

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...caling/25.html

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Thanks for drawing attention to this article. Indeed very useful info.

No 2gb 6 cards yet :(

NCIXUS has the XFX5870 for $388 :)

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

This is all speculations but..

If the GTX 380 is indeed 510 shaders vs 240 and higher clocks than the gtx 285 and they improve the AA algorithm which has been long overdue for the company and other things coming with the new architechture(since it is said to be new), I can see a GTX 380 possibly being as fast as a CF 5870 or a 5870x2. If this happens(and it is a big if), NV will be able to charge as much as they want for the gtx 380.

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I think you are being wildly optimistic here. For this to happen, Nvidia has to best their current single GPU performance by at least 3X.

I also don't think the 5870 is really stretching its legs yet with current games. Looking at the various reviews, yea it's easy to be a bit underwhelmed, but I don't think we have seen exactly what a 5870 is really capable of. Kinda reminds me of the first 9700 reviews. Performance was great, but not astounding compared to previous gen stuff in many games.

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Originally Posted by eleeter

I think you are being wildly optimistic here. For this to happen, Nvidia has to best their current single GPU performance by at least 3X.

I also don't think the 5870 is really stretching its legs yet with current games. Looking at the various reviews, yea it's easy to be a bit underwhelmed, but I don't think we have seen exactly what a 5870 is really capable of. Kinda reminds me of the first 9700 reviews. Performance was great, but not astounding compared to previous gen stuff in many games.

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ATI Kicked up the AA mode... more than a notch. :D

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...eviews/?page=6

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Originally Posted by villa1n

I d be skeptical of any sli vs CF comparisons with immature drivers... I would only take single card results for the moment, as the yare probably more representative of the performance so the margin between a 285 vs 5870... probably accurately reflects the performance diff, versus the CF / SLI comparison at the moment, as scaling will most likely improve substantially from launch numbers.

Compare the scaling of a 4870 to a 4870x2 .. versus a 5870 to 5870x2... now unless there is some architectural abnormality with 58xx series, the scaling should come close to mirroring what the 4870 achieved, granting there is no bottlenecking to prevent that via pci-e or cpu, etc.

On top of that, I m sure these clock speeds aren't set in stone, as the process matures, we ll have what equates to 4890's appearing as well i m sure, that and the fact nvidia to the best of our knowledge isn't ready to launch anything for 4months yet... So we ll see, I think this will drop 4870x2's like a rock, and 285's and 295's as well, which will allow me to cheaply trifire a 4870x2 with my 48701gb while i wait and let the smoke settle in q1 2010 ^^ Plus, it remains to be seen if the lynnfield will suffer at high res from the pci-e lanes..at 8x ** that answers that! lol.

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One more thing to look at it for me is the TFLOPs, the GTX 285 has about 1.06tflops of performance vs 2.08flops of performance of the 5850.

Although it is nearly double the tflops, the 5850 is only 5% faster according to tech powerup. The next GTX 380 is supposed to be 2.5 tflops. If we do indeed get this many tflops from the gtx 380, than forget about it just be competitive with the 5870, its going to start getting competitive with the 5870 x2.

The specs of the gtx 380 might seem outlandish at this point, but considering the size of the gtx 380, which is guaranteed to be huge and NV won't fool around considering how much marketshare AMD has gained for NV being conservative the last time around, I expect them to make a crazy card this time around.

Eleeter, I don't think they need to increase their performance by so much 3x overall, more so a little over 100% over a gt200 will do it because I think because of scaling issues in regards to tflops in regards to 5xxx series cards (e.g 1.2 tflops 4870 -> 2.7 tflops 5870 does not yield close to the theoretical amount), the 5870x2 might be only 50-70% faster than a 5870.

If we want to look this in terms of math, a 5870 is 40% faster than a gtx 285, if the 5870x2 is 50% faster than the 5870, which is typically what we see in the anandtech review, then the 5870x2 offers 2.1 times the performance of the gtx 285(math is 140%*50% = 210%). So if the gtx 380 offers a little over double, it can be competitive with the 5870x2. Based on rumors, considering NV has increase the tflop performance by 2.3 or so and has changed the architecture to something new(and AA is something NV can definitely increase because of how bad the old AA algorithms are on their cards), I can see with high AA and high resolution, NV more than doubling the performance.

When NV went to 7900gtx -> 8800gtx they doubled the amount of gflops(255gflops->510gflops) plus they made a new architecture and we got 100% + boost in high AA and resolution conditions.

This time if NV didn't fool around and the rumors are true(the increase of 2.3-2.4 in shader flops and they are changing to a new architecture), I can see a jump like we saw when the 8800gtx happened. If this happens and it is a big if, the 5870x2 will have similar performance to the 380gtx.

I am waiting for 2GB customised overclocked and custom cooled versions of the 5870 to appear.
For now you can purchase a 1GB (IMHO should be 2GB) 5870 in the UK for £298.99 inc VAT that is a little bit cheaper than a GTX 295 :)
John

waiting 5870 2GB GDRAM5 benchmark.................

Interested in 5850, any review ? :S:

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

One more thing to look at it for me is the TFLOPs, the GTX 285 has about 1.06tflops of performance vs 2.08flops of performance of the 5850.

Although it is nearly double the tflops, the 5850 is only 5% faster according to tech powerup. The next GTX 380 is supposed to be 2.5 tflops. If we do indeed get this many tflops from the gtx 380, than forget about it just be competitive with the 5870, its going to start getting competitive with the 5870 x2.

The specs of the gtx 380 might seem outlandish at this point, but considering the size of the gtx 380, which is guaranteed to be huge and NV won't fool around considering how much marketshare AMD has gained for NV being conservative the last time around, I expect them to make a crazy card this time around.

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Xfire for 5870 in Farcry2 as seen in my post 28% increase vs single card...
Xfire for 4870 vs 4870x2 91% increase.. near perfect scaling... I think the scaling for the profiles of the 5870 have a long way to go... even if they dont reach as high it will still be a substantial fps increase.

As for the Tflops, the 5870 is at 2.7? .. And again, look at the drivers, the performance is from launch drivers, that havent harnessed the power yet, and from old games, I think there is more in store with dx11. As well the speculation on the gtx380 is just that, I m sure the numbers will edge out the 5870, but who knows by how much, we could argue either way, and it wont make a difference until some real numbers are released, so for now, we should focus on what we know.. which is the 5870 is a powerful card and given the scaling and performance in games, seems like it has a lot of room to mature with drivers.

time to grab an used 4870x2 :D

Here's another german review:
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php...073&Itemid=170

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time to grab an used 4870x2 :D

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2 vs Brand New XFX HD 4870x2 2Gb for $500 ($250 each), shipping and tax included on eBay ----> priceless :)

Thanks ATI 5870 :up:

Holy cow, the power consumption on these cards are sick when compared to their performance, this has really got the 295 beat....but I am going to wait a while and see how the price games go. Meanwhile I am happy playing with my 4870.

i was hoping for more than 30% over GTX285 :(

Here's NordicHardware's: http://www.nordichardware.se/Recensioner/?skrivelse=528 (in Swedish, but still).

Looks good, More into cpu than gpu so excited to see these bad boys remove a bit of the old gpu bottleneck in a core2 vs ph2 vs i5 vs i7 review. And to the people trying to justify the more expensive, Power sucking nvidia gpus because they tie at times you sound as bad as the people doing the same with the ph2-965 over the i5-750. Seems that the best combo is yet again Intel and AMD, Who would have thought it.

Just have anyone compare reading all the reviews versus *watching* the reviews of the Radeon 58xx Eyefinity in action on three 30" monitors... Nothing comes close!!!

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/o...cperbatman.jpg

PC Per Eyefinity Video Review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujf6P...e=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eghSP..._embedded#t=14

Reminder - Gaming on 3 x 30" is about 7 feets 6 inches which is Yao Ming territory! :eek:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news...20yao-ming.jpg

Looking good ATI, bit overhyped by the marketing guys (as usual), but once drivers mature this is a beast... would really love to see 5850 reviews...

I'm really annoyed that so many reviewers think the 5870 is there to beat the GTX 285... wonder what world they have lived in the last few weeks...

At Bit-tech really fun to see a test where they cranck up the filtering and get more fps then with lower detail level applied...

Now let's hope the DX11 games are real showstoppers !!

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Originally Posted by villa1n

Xfire for 5870 in Farcry2 as seen in my post 28% increase vs single card...
Xfire for 4870 vs 4870x2 91% increase.. near perfect scaling... I think the scaling for the profiles of the 5870 have a long way to go... even if they dont reach as high it will still be a substantial fps increase.

As for the Tflops, the 5870 is at 2.7? .. And again, look at the drivers, the performance is from launch drivers, that havent harnessed the power yet, and from old games, I think there is more in store with dx11. As well the speculation on the gtx380 is just that, I m sure the numbers will edge out the 5870, but who knows by how much, we could argue either way, and it wont make a difference until some real numbers are released, so for now, we should focus on what we know.. which is the 5870 is a powerful card and given the scaling and performance in games, seems like it has a lot of room to mature with drivers.

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I don't know how much driver performance you can expect from the single card those. Considering the similarities between the 5870 architecture and the 4870 architecture, beside CF performance I don't know if there is going to be any real jumps in performance. I think alot of the transisters from the new rv8xx is dedicated to directx 11, so I can see performance not going up like crazy.

One more reason I am hopeful of NV performancewise is nv gtx 6xxx and gtx 8xxx, were all changes to new architecture and all them had huge performance jumps. Of course 5xxx gtx was a new generation and was terrible, I hope this is not the case because I want a strong competition from both sides, where both companies can make money and offer price drops to the consumer. The sad thing is considering the size of NV chips, the only way this happens is if NV big chips are competitive with AMD dual chip solutions or offers a 50% performance advantage over AMD single chip solutions, which I think NV is banking on.

I am not an NV fanboy as I have a 4870x2 and a 4890 and nothing from the gtx 2xx series lineup. I just want a strong competition from both sides, which I think everyone wants.

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Looking good ATI, bit overhyped by the marketing guys (as usual), but once drivers mature this is a beast... would really love to see 5850 reviews...

I'm really annoyed that so many reviewers think the 5870 is there to beat the GTX 285... wonder what world they have lived in the last few weeks...

At Bit-tech really fun to see a test where they cranck up the filtering and get more fps then with lower detail level applied...

Now let's hope the DX11 games are real showstoppers !!

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you mean the next generation single gpu against the last gen's single gpu leader?
whats so wrong about that

Yummy
http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/wv4y019e/1.jpg
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...vapor-x-card/1

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+1
That's a lot reviews at once! And all of them agree that the performance rocks! :D

Man this thread is almost exactly the same as the 4800 series launch thread.

People were saying how they weren't that impressed since it wasn't 2x the performance of the 8800GTX and was slower than the 9800GX2 :rolleyes:

Look where the 4870 is now. With drivers, it has become a great card. Let's not forget that CF scaling for the 4800 series wasn't exactly close to 2x like it is now. Did everyone forget one of the driver releases by ATi that fixed CF scaling to be near double what it was at launch?

When will people learn :rolleyes::confused:

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I don't know how much driver performance you can expect from the single card those. Considering the similarities between the 5870 architecture and the 4870 architecture, beside CF performance I don't know if there is going to be any real jumps in performance. I think alot of the transisters from the new rv8xx is dedicated to directx 11, so I can see performance not going up like crazy.

One more reason I am hopeful of NV performancewise is nv gtx 6xxx and gtx 8xxx, were all changes to new architecture and all them had huge performance jumps. Of course 5xxx gtx was a new generation and was terrible, I hope this is not the case because I want a strong competition from both sides, where both companies can make money and offer price drops to the consumer. The sad thing is considering the size of NV chips, the only way this happens is if NV big chips are competitive with AMD dual chip solutions or offers a 50% performance advantage over AMD single chip solutions, which I think NV is banking on.

I am not an NV fanboy as I have a 4870x2 and a 4890 and nothing from the gtx 2xx series lineup. I just want a strong competition from both sides, which I think everyone wants.

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I agree, unless its dx11 I dont think the performance is going to astronomically jump, i was talking about the CF performance mainly improving substantially, as the 5870x2 will hold the perf crown for a while, unless those massive gt300 cores somehow fit on a single pcb lol! Competition is good, this will drive nvidia s current offerings down quite a bit, but i think ATI has surprised them, so it will be interesting to see what the gt300 holds in store. I m sitting on the fence for a bit... although that vapor X version looks pretty damn sweet!! hehe.

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Yummy
http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/wv4y019e/1.jpg
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...vapor-x-card/1

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Very nice indeed...:)

two minor rants though

1> heat in the case
2> cmon sapphire, it took ATI all these years to abandon the red pcb, and you still go for the blue?....go black baby...XD

lol @ amd amd can't do :banana::banana::banana::banana: its still ati engineers under amd roof

congrats amd/ati great card

(people complaining = their faults for hyping it on there own.)

seems a great card power consumption is insanley good 50@w at idle and under load its only a few more then my current 4870 with twice the performance! insane ....


cheapest in UK seems to be £300 at OCUK lol scan is at £350 O.o ebuyer @ 300/309/309 for their cards.. thought they would be about £15 cheaper then that but my prediction of $380 at launch was 100% spot on =) .. shame my UK was out (not that it matters, wait for the price drop when gt300 comes out)

drivers only seem to improve by what between 5~10% so I think we will need 2gb to take down the 295 beast :)




ok TPU has pissed me off... in their review one of the bad points was it didn't support cuda/physx ... what a fking moron.

Nvidia cards = dx10, old tech, cant do 10.1 nor dx11 in hardware.
ATI, owns dx10.1 and dx11, and games taking advantage of that, will just simply hurt Nvidia alot.
All the reviews have, old tech as dx9, dx10, and dx10.1 and the 5800 series basically crush everything out there using comparison to old tech.

So, how will it far down the road when dx11 becomes more adopted?
I am thinking frostbite engine 2, I am thinking bf3 and so on.
I would assume the card that I get, I can have for 2 years without any need for an upgrade.
Same as for my 4870.

Cant wait to game at 3 screens.

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?im...5fNl8yX2wucG5n

af is clearly superior with new ati cards i am liking that ati always was about iq so it continues

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/..._card_review/9

his is Crysis! Nothing can seem to blow it out of the water

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2 vs Brand New XFX HD 4870x2 2Gb for $500 ($250 each), shipping and tax included on eBay ----> priceless :)

Thanks ATI 5870 :up:

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2x5850 will outperform 2x4870X2, will have less microstuttering, will OC more, will consume less energy and will dissipate less heat. So, 4870X2 for $250 is not such a good deal...

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http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?im...5fNl8yX2wucG5n

af is clearly superior with new ati cards i am liking that ati always was about iq so it continues

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Is it so clear in game though? Synthetics are all well and good, but don't necessarily mean anything in the real world.

OK today is the NDA break for AMD's HD5870/HD5850, however, anyone see a HD5850 review??

And yes, I can make me an idea about his performance (matched with GTX285) but seriously, not even one review?

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Originally Posted by strange|ife

I like the techpower up review. They compare various pcie x lanes by taping off the conductors. testing 1x 4x 8x and 16x

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...caling/25.html

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Interesting review.


XBIT's power consumption numbers look awesome.

Wow what a card! Ati have done everything right. If I was going to upgrade this would be the card. Well done Ati.

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Originally Posted by mk_dir

OK today is the NDA break for AMD's HD5870/HD5850, however, anyone see a HD5850 review??

And yes, I can make me an idea about his performance (matched with GTX285) but seriously, not even one review?

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one I read did in one of the main page (they downclocked and disabled 2 simd's or something so its literally 100% 5850 with maybe bit higher power consumption

FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINALLYYY!!!!

god this was the slowest launch ever... and cards still arent in retail :rolleyes:

Like i said, i'll be buying myself a 5870 for Christmas, to replace the 4850 Crossfire setup i have at the moment. No doubt drivers will unleash more potential over the coming months.

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Originally Posted by mk_dir

OK today is the NDA break for AMD's HD5870/HD5850, however, anyone see a HD5850 review??

And yes, I can make me an idea about his performance (matched with GTX285) but seriously, not even one review?

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+1
What I have only read is that the 50's will use the same memory as 70's, and I still want confirmation...
It will be great for overclocking :)

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Originally Posted by saaya

FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINALLYYY!!!!

god this was the slowest launch ever... and cards still arent in retail :rolleyes:

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I can buy from plenty places in UK :p: so ARE retail hehe

yeah I agree too long though, they shouldnt have anounced its 3 weeks ago. just anounce it today WITH stock, seems a lot better or even a week ago.. 3 just took the biscuit hehe =)

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Originally Posted by xgate

+1
What I have only read is that the 50's will use the same memory as 70's, and I still want confirmation...
It will be great for overclocking :)

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no they dont use same memory, they use pretty much the same thats on 4890's @ 4000mhz, the 70's get the big dog 5000mhz

http://techreport.com/articles.x/17618
http://news.ati-forum.de/index.php/t...-radeon-hd5870

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Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

I can buy from plenty places in UK :p: so ARE retail hehe

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There's not ONE place in germany where HD-5870 and HD-5850 are available...

Exchange between pound and euro is quite good, but afaik your hw-prices suck, am I right?

€dith: Nope :eek: Not really. But I'm waiting for the HD-5850.

A quick question. Why is there no 5850 review available atm?

1> Was there a separate NDA for the 2 cards?
2> Were there no sample cards given by AMD to reviewers?
3> Did AMD ask reviewers to postpone said reviews due to market supply problems/glitches?
4> Was this a strategy decision by AMD, for marketing or other reasons?

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Originally Posted by Newblar

you mean the next generation single gpu against the last gen's single gpu leader?
whats so wrong about that

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As 5850 was put up against GTX 285 in the marketing slides, 5870 is foreseen to rival with GTX 295...

The cards are nicely performing, but I hope them drivers mature fast and games, software is adapted rapidly, so we can see some real gains of these GPU's...

Only thing I see is pre order...where did you order yours Jamesrt2004 ?

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Originally Posted by mk_dir

OK today is the NDA break for AMD's HD5870/HD5850, however, anyone see a HD5850 review??

And yes, I can make me an idea about his performance (matched with GTX285) but seriously, not even one review?

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Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

one I read did in one of the main page (they downclocked and disabled 2 simd's or something so its literally 100% 5850 with maybe bit higher power consumption

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Techpowerup?

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We simulated the performance of the HD 5850 by taking our HD 5870, reducing the clock speeds and disabling two SIMDs, which results in exactly the same performance as HD 5850.

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http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...HD_5870/5.html

Lost in a lot of the shuffle is the fact that AMD/ATI has had these cards out for DX11 devs since June...

We all know what happened last time we went to DX10. Nvidia had its cards out far earlier, and devs worked much more closely with Nvidia...

Obviously, a lot remains to be seen, but it wouldn't surprise me if DX11 titles, early on at least, have a slight ATI slant

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Originally Posted by Dante80

A quick question. Why is there no 5850 review available atm?

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w1zz disabled a part of his 5870 and downclocked it to 5850 clocks... he says its the same perf as a 5850...
so tpu has the only 5850 review and its not even a REAL 5850 review? 0_o
and this after all the hype and "hold your horses" launch? :stick:
terrible launch...

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Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

I can buy from plenty places in UK :p: so ARE retail hehe

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link? its listed in many places but no stock... its pre-order... :/

and i just finished the tpu review... 43db under load for the 5870? :stick:
thats a lot... and tdp is about the same as a gtx285 so why is it 6db noisier?

and performance... i really expected more...
both 5850 and 5870 are always between 285/4890 and 4870x2/295...
i thought the 5870 was supposed to beat at least the 4870x2 and the 295 at least in some cases?

5850 is on average only 5% faster than a 285...
the 5870 is on average 15% slower than a 295...
compared to their own predecessors the 5850 is only ~20% faster on average than a 4890 and a 5870 is only ~40% faster...

performance per dollar the 5870 is about the same as a gtx285 and the 5850 is between a 280 and 260...

the 5870 only oced around 5%... so basically zero...

5870 at 379$ and 5850 at 259$ are still priced too high...
4890s are available below 200$ and are only 20% slower than a 5850...
4870x2 is available for 330$, 50$ less than a 5870 and its faster than a 5870!!!

this is really a big letdown... double the hw resources and only a mere 20-40% performance gain? how come? maybe its because they have two seperate blocks of 800sps instead of one block of 1600 sps? thats probably what chiphell was refering to with their dualcore gpu talk...

im really dissapointed... more hw resources than a 4870x2, in one gpu and not 2, at higher gpu clocks, with faster memory... and it ends up slower than the 4870x2? and it costs more? :confused:
what happened???

Drivers anyone? ^

At release, the GTX 280 was benched to be slower than the 9800 GX2. The 4800's, while faster than the 38xx's by a lot, were oft compared to the 9800GTX's... Well, add on a 4870 1GB edition, driver improvements... and voila, performance is where we think of it today.

Lost in a lot of the shuffle is the fact that AMD/ATI has had these cards out for DX11 devs since June...

We all know what happened last time we went to DX10. Nvidia had its cards out far earlier, and devs worked much more closely with Nvidia...

Obviously, a lot remains to be seen, but it wouldn't surprise me if DX11 titles, early on at least, have a slight ATI slant

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Originally Posted by saaya

w1zz disabled a part of his 5870 and downclocked it to 5850 clocks... he says its the same perf as a 5850...
so tpu has the only 5850 review and its not even a REAL 5850 review? 0_o
and this after all the hype and "hold your horses" launch? :stick:
terrible launch...


link? its listed in many places but no stock... its pre-order... :/

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Wow.. my bad ... on the main page it said

"We have large amounts of stock available of the Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5870 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with more cards from XFX, PowerColor, Gigabyte and VTX arriving later this week. "

and I could purchase one earliar, but they already ran out it seems and are pre-order for more :ROTF:

Interesting test where they are using one AMD system and one Intel system.

5870 on Intel i7 940 and AMD Phenom II 955

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Originally Posted by Dante80

A quick question. Why is there no 5850 review available atm?

1> Was there a separate NDA for the 2 cards?
2> Were there no sample cards given by AMD to reviewers?
3> Did AMD ask reviewers to postpone said reviews due to market supply problems/glitches?
4> Was this a strategy decision by AMD, for marketing or other reasons?

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I think that's the main reason, I heard that the portion of full working RV870 chips per wafer are relative high, so there's gonna be a stock problem for the HD5850 for the first weeks, as far as HD5850 GPU cores are not laser cutted...

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

Techpowerup?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...HD_5870/5.html

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Thanks a lot! In synthesis:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon...es/perfrel.gif

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Originally Posted by saaya

performance per watt wise the 5870 is by far the worst card tpu ever tested...

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Ugh.. what?

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon...s/perfwatt.gif

avaliable @ ncix

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Drivers anyone? ^

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Considering the drivers were only sent out last Monday (not much time to do a review eh?), I think the driver devs had been holding them back as long as possible, so if they aren't up to par it's disappointing.

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Originally Posted by saaya

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Graph skills reading needed Saaya :rofl:

edit : 4870X2 has 50% more bandwidth than 5870, that the point!

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Originally Posted by saaya

and performance... i really expected more...
both 5850 and 5870 are always between 285/4890 and 4870x2/295...
i thought the 5870 was supposed to beat at least the 4870x2 and the 295 at least in some cases?

5850 is on average only 5% faster than a 285...
the 5870 is on average 15% slower than a 295...
compared to their own predecessors the 5850 is only ~20% faster on average than a 4890 and a 5870 is only ~40% faster...

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Battleforge dont use tesselation as it isnt adding to the visual quality in the rts game camera view.
http://mikrodatorn.idg.se/polopoly_f...3060608602.jpg

You confusing Nvidias old tech, and it is old and renamed tech, with new tech, brand new, the paint is still dropping from the stickers, the birds havent had time to settle down, the air is fresh and sweet,
get a grip with dx10.1 with dx11, and nvidia isnt even contending.

No confusion here.

Just a note: in dawn of war, the gtx295 has 15fps less than 5870, 50fps if we count in call of juarez.

edit: the tendency is that minimum fps stays much higher on the new 5870.
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews....d=842&pageid=5
That is important for reason as, microstuttering using sli/crossfire, stuttering in intensive fights, racegames etc...

Powercolor ATI 5870 that's in my rig now.

Not mine, belongs to a member in HWZ SG

Lucky you :( Have fun!

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Drivers anyone? ^
At release, the GTX 280 was benched to be slower than the 9800 GX2. The 4800's, while faster than the 38xx's by a lot, were oft compared to the 9800GTX's... Well, add on a 4870 1GB edition, driver improvements... and voila, performance is where we think of it today.

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and you base that on what?
1. the 280 didnt improve perf notably compared to the 9800gx2, sites just stopped including 9800gx2 cards in their benches cause they were obsolete as time moved on.
2. gtx280 performed about the same as 9800gx2, it wasnt slower than a 9800gx2, at least not on average.
3. so what, cause gtx280 price perf sucked at launch its ok for 5800s price perf to suck at launch as well? :P
4. driver improvents of the 4870 were only around 10% on average since 8.7, maybe 15% by now... and even IF new drivers will give these cards a boost, itll take months... and by then prices and perf of other cards will have changed as well... so this argument makes no sense... what matters is perf and price right now, and its not making any sense at this point to go for a 5xxx imo...

if you want perf go for a 4870x2, its CHEAPER and FASTER than a 5870...
if you want perf/cost go for a 4890 or gts260... 50-100$ cheaper and only slightly faster than a 5850...

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Originally Posted by AKM

Ugh.. what?

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon...s/perfwatt.gif

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my bad, already edited my post :D

nice pciE scaling article with the 5870 by w1zz:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...Scaling/1.html

i dont agree with his conclusions though, if your spending as much as 750$ on 2 5870 cards to get an average perf boost of 50% or so, you def care about losing 5+ fps due to running only 8x 8x and you should rather get an x58 board...

and i highly recommend people to NOT use the 4x 1.0 slot on p55 boards for a third vga!

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Originally Posted by GregSG

Powercolor ATI 5870 that's in my rig now.

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overclocks?!?

have a better system to use

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

edit : 4870X2 has 50% more bandwidth than 5870, that the point!

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yeah i guess the bw does add up and work better for an xfire setup than a single gpu... still dissapointing though... if bw is really such a big limit then why did they stay at 256bit and didnt go at least 384?

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Originally Posted by flopper

You confusing Nvidias old tech, and it is old and renamed tech, with new tech, brand new, the paint is still dropping from the stickers, the birds havent had time to settle down, the air is fresh and sweet,
get a grip with dx10.1 with dx11, and nvidia isnt even contending.

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wth are you talking about? are you y_eye? your sentences sound really weird just like the stuff he puts together :D
so cause its new its better?
and cause it supports dx11 its better?

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Originally Posted by flopper

in dawn of war, the gtx295 has 15fps less than 5870, 50fps if we count in call of juarez.

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where?
in coj2 the 5870 is 5-10fps faster than the 295
in dow2 the 5870 is 5-10fps slower than the 295

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Originally Posted by flopper

edit: the tendency is that minimum fps stays much higher on the new 5870.
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews....d=842&pageid=5
That is important for reason as, microstuttering using sli/crossfire, stuttering in intensive fights, racegames etc...

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right, one gpu is better than 2 but if that 1 gpu costs more than 2 other gpus you do start thinking how bad the micro stuttering really is... :D

that review your linking to is comparing a dx11 patched game vs the dx10 version... fair enough... but i doubt we will even see a handful of games with dx11 support anytime soon...

so 5850 keeps a notable higher min fps compared to a 4890?
its a shame tpu doesnt show min fps... ill read some more reviews...

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

As 5850 was put up against GTX 285 in the marketing slides, 5870 is foreseen to rival with GTX 295...

The cards are nicely performing, but I hope them drivers mature fast and games, software is adapted rapidly, so we can see some real gains of these GPU's...

Only thing I see is pre order...where did you order yours Jamesrt2004 ?

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I bought mine at overclockers.co.uk for about € 333 including shipment.
Not that cheap as in the USA, but better as Belgium online shops.

so much for NCIX has cards in stock :P

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5148/5870b.jpg

I expected more from this card. I hope its just early unoptimized drivers because theoretically this card should be as fast if not slightly faster then HD 4890 CF.

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Originally Posted by LOE

If it is good then what is great? Currently I most certainly cannot name anything better.

AMD did a wonderful job, and I think it's about time they take the credit. ATi did the HD2xxx and HD3xxx, the HD5xxx is most certainly an AMD product. AMD got Ati way overpriced and with a crappy design and made something decent out of it. IMO the credit goes to AMD, not Ati

nvidia will fist have to make the GT300 and for their sake, as well as ours, they better make something better than the bloated GT200. I don't think nvidia can survive another GT200 scenario, not with the HD5xxx in production, HD4xxx was way easier to compete with.

GT300 might be faster than the HD5xxx but at what price? I mean die size and yield, heat output and power consumption, performance per transistor or mm2.

Also nvidia will have to make quite the leap, if they want to make GT300 a definite winer they will have to make it MORE than 2x as fast as prev gen, something the industry has yet to see. It is a very hard task IMO, and there might very well be another can of whoopass for nvidia. Hope they manage to stay competitive thou, for competitions sake.

Very well done AMD, congrats. Time to buy some AMD stock maybe?

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This ^^

ATi must've worked their cross-talk, because the HD5800 (Crossfire) series scales better, on almost all occasions. Wonder how well the x2 line is going to scale, seeing that their cross bars run at higher freq.

What I think is the remarkable story is the Radeon HD5850.. @ $249 !!

Not much for many of us, given.. but, clearly a $199 card by Xmass. Thus setting the bar for basic-mainstream DX11 enthusiasts, etc.


ATM, the HD5870 makes everything else moot, period!

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Originally Posted by saaya

so much for NCIX has cards in stock :P

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:down: canadians :down:

I didn't follow the whole thread, maybe it has been posted before, anyway:

Here's the HD 5870 review done by the German hardware magazine PC Games Hardware, this is the English version of the review. Check it out! :up:

Okay, it has been posted already... Sorry. -.-

yeah not that impressed, what was the max i saw 10fps better than the GTX285 and that was only 1 game, all others were about equal with some being less.

not worth the money to ME, but if you have a 4700 or 4800 or even a 4900 series card then you might see the increase. but for 285 owners... nope, nothing special about the ati card..... for now.

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ATM, the HD5870 makes everything else moot, period!

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boy if you call the MEAGER performance increase that i saw in those reviews a lead and a moot point then i have a bridge i'd like to sell you.

but i agree give them time they will work on the drivers and hopefully get some more blood from this turnip.

Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 1GB in CrossFire
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/29...ire/index.html

ATI Radeon HD 5870 vs. NVIDIA GeForce GTX285
http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Grap...ce-GTX285.html

ok, i just read the hwcanucks review...
hes using vista 64 sp1 instead of vista 32bit sp2 that tpu uses... and hes at 4g while tpu is at 3.8g for their i7 setups...
im a bit confused how far their numbers are from each other, so i assume 32bit vs 64bit makes quite a diference?
canucks has the 4870 and 295 performing worse than single gpu cards in quite some scenarios, and has the 4870x2 beating the 295 while on tpu the 295 is clearly ahead in almost every bench...

another weird thing, canucks has a 5870 beat a 4870x2 in quite some situations as well...
very weird... ill never understand how reviews can end up with numbers that are that far from each other using the same hw...
dont get me wrong, im not saying any numbers are fake, it must be diferent windows and driver config...

just finished the canucks review... i dont see the 5870 having constantly higher min fps than other cards... but in 2 or 3 scenarios yes...
no major improvement though imo...

it seems to make a huge diference what review you read!
definately check out several reviews!!!
hwcanucks draws a much more positive picture than tpu for example!

Very disappointing. Why pay $400 for a 5870 when a $250 4870x2 performs the same? Better yet, just get 2x 4870 for $100 each.

Sure for the rich gamers/benchers price is not an issue, but those are the minority.

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Originally Posted by Lestat

yeah not that impressed, what was the max i saw 10fps better than the GTX285 and that was only 1 game, all others were about equal with some being less.

not worth the money to ME, but if you have a 4700 or 4800 or even a 4900 series card then you might see the increase. but for 285 owners... nope, nothing special about the ati card..... for now.



boy if you call the MEAGER performance increase that i saw in those reviews a lead and a moot point then i have a bridge i'd like to sell you.

but i agree give them time they will work on the drivers and hopefully get some more blood from this turnip.

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Dude.. the 5870 ownz the 285, it would be a great upgrade..! Even if they are the same price..!




And yes, the HD5870 makes everything else moot. It's a single GPu chip debuting @ $349... Which means this will be a mainstream $319 card by the Holidays. We also know there will be a HD5890 and the enevitable new x2 series..!

Lestat, do you not recognize the damage two HD5850's will do to anything nVidia relases, once these cards are $199?, for $399(HD5840 x2) you'll have 2,880 shaders...! :eek:

What (under $400) will Nvidia have that can compete with that?

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Originally Posted by HKPolice

Very disappointing. Why pay $400 for a 5870 when a $250 4870x2 performs the same? Better yet, just get 2x 4870 for $100 each.

Sure for the rich gamers/benchers price is not an issue, but those are the minority.

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Buy the 4870x2 and be outdated isn't something I'd like to repeat... I went the 3870x2 route when the 4870 was released and for me it was a poor decision. If you're gonna spend the money for an enthusiast part; get the new part IMHO.

Now that I bought the 5870, I am free to CF them once the prices drop for a really nice performance gain. The prices never really drop below $300 for the x2 where the single card will dip to the $200s. So in the long run that would be only $580ish for two 5870s vs at least $600 for two 4870X2s. It's a wash :p:

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Originally Posted by HKPolice

Very disappointing. Why pay $400 for a 5870 when a $250 4870x2 performs the same? Better yet, just get 2x 4870 for $100 each.

Sure for the rich gamers/benchers price is not an issue, but those are the minority.

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power draw is BLAGGH on the 48XX :( :(



@ le stat... the 5870 beat the 285 in all benches I saw by quite a margin... lol

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Originally Posted by HKPolice

Very disappointing. Why pay $400 for a 5870 when a $250 4870x2 performs the same? Better yet, just get 2x 4870 for $100 each.

Sure for the rich gamers/benchers price is not an issue, but those are the minority.

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wattage..?

noise..?

DirectX11..?

better AF..?

less heat..?

etc..?

:down:

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Originally Posted by HKPolice

Very disappointing. Why pay $400 for a 5870 when a $250 4870x2 performs the same? Better yet, just get 2x 4870 for $100 each.

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where???

http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...pphire_hd5870/
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1682
http://www.techspot.com/review/198-a...d-5870-review/

No HD 5850 reviews yet?

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...012&cid=3&pg=1

:)

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Originally Posted by Lestat

yeah not that impressed, what was the max i saw 10fps better than the GTX285 and that was only 1 game, all others were about equal with some being less.

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10 fps better?
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/r...2344/20100.png

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video...rams/codww.png

http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0026854.gif

May buy new eyes or stop cherrypicking reviews!