Try adding a pair of nylon washers between the block and the backplate
Try adding a pair of nylon washers between the block and the backplate
Maybe sand down the nylon spacer tubes?
Is this a general problem? Just thinking if I should buy fullcover or MCW60 when I get my 5870Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMK
I checked the specifications (from AMD reference 3D Models)Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMK
The normal distance from silicon surface to pcb is:
4870X2 model for reference: 2.26mm
5850 and 5870 models: 2.41mm
From our MCW60 specs, the normal distance from surface of the copper base platform to bottom of the legs is 1.85mm; on specs, that leaves a 0.56mm gap between feet and PCB, which is standard.
There could be several reasons for a poor contact between this particular MCW60 and the silicon, listed below are the most plausible explanations:
1/ The copper base plaftorm was over-lapped and is out of specs (possible) - Nominal distance should be comprised between 0.76 and 0.63mm
2/ The chrome hold-down bracket is bent downwards at the corners (from earlier mounts), lifting the entire block upwards (likely)
3/ Combination of both of the above
Diagnostic & remedies:
1/ Carefully measure the height of the copper base platform with a caliper or dial indicator to verify compliance with above specs - If below 0.63mm, remedies are to RMA block, or implement #3 below.
2/ Place a straight edge on the hold-down bracket, and verify bow. If excessive bow is observed, remedies are to request bracket replacement from customer service (michelle@swiftech.com) or implement #3 below.
3/DIY immediate remedy: place the block feet down on 120~200 grit dry/wet sand paper (tape edges of paper preferably on glass table). Holding the block flat, rub the feet in a circular motion for a few minutes (2~5mn).
Thanks for the comprehensive response Gabe! Ive not actually used this block on an ATI card since Ive had it... its been on a nvidia GTX285, so this is the first time Ive used the ATI hold-down bracket. I'll check it and see if its bent first, and then measure the copper base to see if either/both are the problem. Hopefully its easily fixable.
Do you know how well the 5870 will perform with the heatsink? It looks plenty thick and I suppose there's no reason it shouldn't do well, but someone testing it would be reassuring.
Most of the full cover blocks only ran water over the ram and GPU. The VRMs were passively cooled.Quote:
Originally Posted by punkrockpolak
Alot of people use them here on GTX260s, 280s, 4870s, 4870sx2 and haven't had any issues.
yeah i am liking that "hybrid" solution since I already have an MCW60. Now I just need to find an HD5850... Anyone got a spare I could borrow for a few years?
1120 Mhz GPU clock on water, omg!
Nice core clock! What voltage is that?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojamijams
Dude I need that block:hump:Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
What did it take to achieve that?
Flashed to ASUS bios and MSI after burner?
not really, I use a software tool "in development" for setting clocks and voltagesQuote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
Thanks Dean, the block looks great. Question -- will it provide active water cooling to the VRM area or will the VRM cooling be similar to the 4850/4870 blocks where the heat was just sort of pumped into the memory cooled area via other means?Quote:
Originally Posted by [Koolance] Dean
I really like the sink setup over the VRMs. That may be the route I go. Gabe, will you guys release something like that for the 5850X2?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
:) Alright, at least give me the name!!! Rivatuner? 1.3 volts? so you still have your stock bios on there??Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
I dont dare to buy a 5850 before I have seen how they clock on water compared to 5870
Want more results ^^
There aren't issues unless you overvolt. At least with mine -- overvolting would result in 130-140*C VRM temperatures. Verified good mounting on both cards. Stock volts will load around 100*C. I'm very interested to find out if the new full cover blocks will have a water path to actively cool the VRMs.Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
You have quoted the the answer to your question. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Razrback16
I haven't seen the internals yet, but the outer design leads me to believe that water does flow over the vregs. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Razrback16
Eddy said they they did or got alot closer to the VRMs than before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razrback16
Very encouraging, thank you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [Koolance] Dean
I see EK now have the 5870 blocks up for order on his site!
Ordered :)
I can't say yet, due to lack of manufacturer information on this model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razrback16
Think I'll put the EK in parallel with some SLI VID connectors.
Heatkiller should have blocks in about two weeks.
Which according to google means roughly "The cooler is planned for the next 14 days."Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico
That was on the first, so we might see something in a little over a week from them.
I don't suppose anyone knows the length of a 5870 naked? I've seen a number of reviews mentioning 10.5" or 11", but they never say where they are measuring from (i.e. just the PCB or right to the back of the case) and I'm not sure that it'll fit into my Lian Li 343 case...
11 inches. The cooler runs the length of the PCB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkfire
Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
I assume that is the length of just the PCB then, in which case it's too big! :(
Just info on EK 5850 Blocks. I just confirmed the desing and tomorrow block goes into production.
First pieces of 5870 blocks will be shipped on friday.
Wow, this one looks great, nice job! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by [Koolance] Dean
I ordered two 5870 blocks to ship to the UK looking forward to these.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Koolance blocks will be available Friday! 5850 block is also coming up!
BP has also got a block lined up, With the usual BP quality i would expect this to be once nice piece of kit. I have some renders and a little bit of Info for you guy/gals.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...1024X768-1.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...1024X768-1.jpg
Black Freezer (Black)
Quote:
1.Design for Ati 5870/5850 Reference Design VGA Card.
2.Direct-Flow Design On Inlet/Outlet.
3.Included SLI Adapters / Fittings.
4.Stand-Off / EZ-PLUG Design.
5.TOP Cover Made Of POM.
6.Block Base Made Of C1100.
7.Cross-Fire Ready Application.
8.Bottom High durability Nickel finished in Black.
9.Matt Black Panel Fixed
10.RoHS Compliant.
Black Freezer (Sliver)Quote:
1.Arctic Silver 5 3.5G X 1
2.Fujipoly GR-d
3.Backup O-Ring for VG-A5870 x 1
4.Black Sparkle Rotary Angel IG1/4" Adapter x2
5.Black Sparkle Direct-Plug Adapter x 1
6.Black Sparkle Direct-Plug Adapter - 35MM Version Female Part only x 1
7.Mounting Screws/Accessories -EZ-PLUG Mounting Ready now.(PAT. Pending)
Quote:
1.Design for Ati 5870/5850 Reference Design VGA Card.
2.Direct-Flow Design On Inlet/Outlet.
3.Included SLI Adapters / Fittings.
4.Stand-Off / EZ-PLUG Design.
5.TOP Cover Made Of POM.
6.Block Base Made Of C1100.
7.Cross-Fire Ready Application.
8.Bottom High durability Nickel finished in Black.
9.Polished Stainless Panel Fixed
10.RoHS Compliant.
Quote:
1.Arctic Silver 5 3.5G X 1
2.Fujipoly GR-d
3.Backup O-Ring for VG-A5870 x 1
4.Black Sparkle Rotary Angel IG1/4" Adapter x2
5.Black Sparkle Direct-Plug Adapter x 1
6.Black Sparkle Direct-Plug Adapter - 35MM Version Female Part only x 1
7.Mounting Screws/Accessories -EZ-PLUG Mounting Ready now.(PAT. Pending)
So the Bitspower block will workon both the 5870 and 5850?
wow BP block looks epic
block should be separate btw hence the name on the front, think its likely pretty dam similar though
kinda like EK's block, designed the same, just making it accomdate the diff card :)
Yes Baulten that is correct :)
BP matt black blocks should have gold logo like there new blocks for x58 classified x3 & x4 ;) .
Sweet; I'm still deciding between cards... I'll probably go with the 5850 is a full cover is available soon.
I forgot to mention that the Komodo 5800 waterblock will be compatible with both the 5850 and the 5870 :-) Unfortunately, the heatsinks will have to remain separate models due to mechanical constraints.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
AquaComputer looks like they're coming to the party.
http://shop.aquacomputer.de/images/p...ages/23478.jpg
Renders only at the moment, and I'm not entirely sure what "kurze Lieferzeit" translates to, so it may be only in pre-order stage at present, although the description below mentions nothing to confirm.
I am hoping that the Heatkiller blocks use the same connector design for CF that their GT200 blocks did. It just makes it so much cleaner and simpler than messing around with tiny barbs and short hoses or D-plugs.
SoulsCollective, you are far behind :D
The delivery of the aquagratix HD5870 starts tomorrow. At the moment it can be ordered for a special price of 69.90 EUR (~87.00 USD w/o German VAT); later it will cost 79.90 EUR.
Special Crossfire connectors will follow in the next days so you don't have to fumble around with bent connectors and tubes.
The technical facts:
- electrolytic copper base
- slotted structure above the GPU
- special polish for the GPU and RAM surface
- spacers for mounting at the VRM site
- stainless steel cover with laser engraving
- plexiglas connection terminal with G1/4" threads in both directions
And a few pics:
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-ac/5870_1.jpg
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-ac/5870_2.jpg
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-ac/5870_3.jpg
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-ac/5870_4.jpg
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-ac/5870_5.jpg
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-ac/5870_6.jpg
Hey, to the best of my knowledge this is the first time this has been posted here - so blame your publicity dept :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoggy
This was actually one of my concerns - the product page tells us "Crossfire compatible when equipped with bent plug&cool fittings (Art. 90006)", which refers to these 90-degree elbow fittings. This combined with the limited renders shown on the product page led me to think that the AQ block was only threaded on one side, which would make plumbing Crossfire setups ridiculously difficult and was a deal-breaker for me. Looking at those above piccies, though, it looks like you could plumb each side of the block, and thus have a straight run between blocks in Crossfire without messing about with elbows. Correct?Quote:
Special Crossfire connectors will follow in the next days so you don't have to fumble around with bent connectors and tubes.
The technical facts:
...
- plexiglas connection terminal with G1/4" threads in both directions
Right :)
Excellent. You might want to fix your product page then, before anyone else is similarly misinformed - you in fact do not need the 90-degree elbow fittings to use these blocks in a Crossfire setup.
Do this mean it will or will not work on both? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Mech0z
No for the aquagrafix one, it doesn't look like there is waterflow over the VRM. Confirm?
Wow, new blocks are rolling in fast for this GPU!
Clarification:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mech0z
The heatsinks will be two different models, one for the 5850 and one for the 5870. The waterblock will be all-in-one.
Hey Gabe... any idea when heatsinks would be available in UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Cheers.
BTW.:welcome:
Mid-November.Quote:
Originally Posted by zrasuh+jam
What about pricing on the Komodo? That's going to be the deciding factor for me...
I can't say right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baulten
Several questions for all vendors:
1 - I have seen some pricing, but I did not see it on the EK, Koolance or the Swiftech.
2 - Who in the U.S. will have them? The only place I have seen any of them is Tiliatech.com. Usually Gary has AC and BP, Hank usually carries Koolance, BP, Swiftech and EK, but no one is showing them available.
3 - This is mainly at Shoggy, last time I owned a AC GPU block it seemed to get corroded easily due to fingerprints on the copper, do the new ones have a coating like the Heatkiller blocks to prevent this?
4 - Anyone going to be offering a backplate for them?
Thanks
1/ We have not established pricing yet, reason why I couldn't answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
2/ We anticipate that all Swiftech resellers will carry one or both of our cooling solutions (hybrid or full-cover).
3/ I cannot comment on a back-plate at this time.
Thanks for the quick reply Gabe. By the way, love the XT block. :up: Definitely thought about giving up my Nickel Plated Heatkiller for it.
Our price is $99.99... its on our website here as well. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
No one has shipped any anywhere yet, Tilatech is located about 30 minutes north of Koolance so he's probably counting on having them asap. I'm also sure many of the resellers listed on our website will have them very very quickly. :)Quote:
2 - Who in the U.S. will have them? The only place I have seen any of them is Tiliatech.com. Usually Gary has AC and BP, Hank usually carries Koolance, BP, Swiftech and EK, but no one is showing them available.
We offer a backplate when the card manufacturer does or there is memory to be cooled on the back. Otherwise its a bit redundant with standoffs isn't it?Quote:
4 - Anyone going to be offering a backplate for them?
Well, it's kinda hard to tell with just one pic Dean, but it's good to hear that you will have a backplate also. Is it going to cool the VRM's also?Quote:
Originally Posted by [Koolance] Dean
Thanks
I am really interested in the block, can you provide some pics of the interior :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by [Koolance] Dean
I noticed this as well. Given my previous experiences with heat on the VRMs when the water-path does not include the VRMs, this will be a deal breaker for me. Right now, I'm really liking the Swiftech heatsink setup with an MCW-60 block for the core. If they can make the pricing right that will likely be a good route.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojamijams
@Bojamijams: there is no flow above the VRMs because of the thin copper block. If we want to have flow there the block must be much higher (= more expensive) or we had to use a bridge like for one of the HD48X0 blocks (see example, also more expensive).
The VRMs can handle very high temperatures (which you will never come close to) without any problems so I see no reason to worry here.
@Utnorris: there is no coating.
win :).. now i just need to buy everything :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Razrback16
sorry shoggy but we did see with the 48XX they do reach those temps etc.. and a lot of cards died from it :/ so its hard to just try dismiss itQuote:
Originally Posted by Shoggy
Aquacomputer could go closer if they were not so saving on copper and using so thin plates.
EK block for example uses thicker copper and we were able to go as close as there was possible to the VRM's.
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/uploads...FC5870-600.jpg
We sold many 4870 cards with pre-assembled blocks. Most of them were tested by myself and the VRM temperature was always far away from anything critical. My current system has one of the first 4870 which is still alive ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
I also can not remember that we ever got a card back with burned VRMs.
i have one of the first ones too :P its still alive also, but saying that.. the problem was still there :/ i thinks it more a non issue as I think this round they are running cooler anyways, but from a buyers point of view after last time i'd think they would like somethign jsut for piece of mind :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoggy
Tilatech is showing the EK and Koolance blocks in stock for anyone looking for them. I still would like to know if the EK blocks have standoffs or not and what the Koolance internals look like.
^^^
The only way to find out what your koolance block look like is voiding their warranty. So i rather see the internals first before getting one.
If anyone's waiting EK 5850 water blocks are up.
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/bl...ek-fc5850.html
Wait, you void the warranty on Koolance blocks by opening them? That makes sense. :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fafeifa
Have some money Eddy! I'll let everyone know how it works out for me when i get my 5850 block.Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
Well, if you open it and break it, of course we won't warranty it. But if you don't break it then... how can we tell?Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
Edit: Our's will be available on the website in the next hour or two.
ahh, fair enough. It made me think you guys marked a screw or something. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [Koolance] Dean
Have a gander at step 6 in the install guide for the EK block:Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
http://81.90.180.2/ekwaterblocks/sho...1109835074.pdf
Looks like it does.
Thanks, they do have standoffs that you can add, so it's a good compromise. I wonder if EK will do a backplate instead of making us use the ugly ATI one. Hint, Hint. Also, anyone seen the inside of the Koolance yet?
it should look something like this, hope it helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...ss1/hid487.jpg
Perhaps like the EK blocks, they too move the water closer to the VRMs?
wow these blocks all look so sexy! i cant decide personally, i love the look and quality from the EK blocks and as a long time ek user I no ill get nothing but top notch, although the skinny low profile look of the aquacomputer block loos so friggin tempting! anyone got anyperformance numbers yet? maybe ill just pick up one of each and test them myself
Woot, ordered mine yesterday. Dean, make sure mine goes out post haste! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by [Koolance] Dean
Any new about DD 5870 blocks ?
I haven't heard anything, but you can be sure of one thing, it will be quite ugly. It seems to be DangerDens design philosophy, function over form.Quote:
Originally Posted by quattro_
so that doesnt go very close to the vrm's at all :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Fafeifa
I think he means the part over the GPU will be the same. From the looks of the block it should have fluid flowing over the VRM's also, otherwise I think it would be too tight of a channel based on where the inlet/outlet holes are.
Just for the record. The HD5850 block will be ready for delivery at the end of this week.
A first CAD preview:
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-ac/HD5850_1.jpg
Technical specifications are identical to the HD 5870 block.
How much it will cost? I got order in aquatuning, but waiting HK3 LT 1156..Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoggy
Aquatuning lists them at 68,90 euroQuote:
Originally Posted by Migi06
69.90 EUR special price for xx days and later 79.90 EUR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Migi06
good job on keeping the price down koolance. :up:
Here's a picture of the inside and back of our block.. we changed a lot with this block.
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...d-ar587_p3.jpg
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...d-ar587_p2.jpg
Also, new front picture
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...d-ar587_p0.jpg
Hey dean, can i trade in my 285 blocks for credit *bats eyelashes*
I dig that koolance
I like the look Dean. Now if you could do that without the faceplate and put the Koolance logo on the acrylic I think it would look awesome.
I didn't see anyone mention it in here, but looks like DD has their 5870 block available now too:
http://photos.dangerden.com/photos/6...25_v98BW-S.jpg
more here:
http://www.dangerden.com/Press-Relea...870-block.html
wow the dd isnt that ugly, the koolance one looks nice
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think the EK looks great.
We might not be first to market, but at least, I'll be first to publish our temperature data:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
http://www.swiftnets.com/ASSETS/IMAG...O5800-5870.png
As you can, these temps are after 2 1/2 hours of Furmark, O/C'd to 970Mhz.
All VDDC's remain at a nice 45~46C avg.
We need more voltage options in the AMD O/C tool!!!
3D mark Vintage scored 19534.
This is the pre-production prototype in bench action (forgive rough edges/poor pic):
http://www.swiftnets.com/ASSETS/IMAG...operations.jpg
Nice Gabe! Great temps, especially compared to stock fan. Also, nice overclock. When will we see the heat sink that goes with the MCW60 hit the store shelves?
Komodo: This thing would do 1Ghz and beyond with just a tad more voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
Also, knowing the GPU thermal power of 165W, the temps are really amazingly low.
heatsink: Designed the heatsink after the w/b. haven't receive pre-prod prototype yet.
can't say for now. asap for sure.