what psu do you have? ive been looking to get a really nice one
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what psu do you have? ive been looking to get a really nice one
Just got another Max3 whilst waiting for my first Max3 to come back from RMA.
I noticed that I got the verion 1.1 (ver1.0 but with the M64 de-soldered off the board.
Gonna run some tests & then see if my new Max3 needs anymore mods.
I'm gonna post up what I think is the right way to do the VTT mods on both the Max3 & IC7-G from what I've read in these forums.
A bit later that is..
Going off to see wjat this new Max3 can do B4 I solder anything onto it.
We need a step my step guide as others have done for the 9800pro vmods etc.. Something easier to understand for me..
Cheers.
BTW, that VDD mod for my IC7-G is great!!!!
Couldn't have done it without help from XS!!!
I've read trough this whole thread, but the thing sinn quoted just above my question did confuse me a little. Im norwegian, so sometimes it can be a little difficult to figure what you mean, but now i totally understand, next time i'll try to read more properly.Quote:
Originally posted by Minnyboy
Please read through this thread properly. At the start of the thread "bigtoe" basically tells you what you need to do. Even on the page you're on there is your answer.
Yes I do think that is all you do for the Max 3 stabilisation.
edit:
Tried to PM Bigtoe about this?
Hope its ok :)
Thanx for clearing things up, all of you :)
Im not bad in english at all, it's just sometimes it can be difficult to understand when it comes to such an "advanced" thread as this when you guys talk about all these numbers and diffucult words etc, that's all ;)
ofcourse its ok. you dont have to feel bad bacasue u didnt read the whole thread. it was just abit ignorant thats all. i'm from holland, and i'm in the same boat as u.
Hell i'm american and you think it's easy for me?? I don't know how you guys can understand 10% of this. I've been to a lot of countries in the 80's and 90's and i didn't think that many people even understood american. Things must have really changed and maybe it's computers that has done it. I'm quite amazed and damn proud of anyone that can understand a second language.
PyroTeknik well for PSU's i kinda have it easy. pcpowercooling is only a few miles away from me. Thier lead engineer lives 2 blocks away from me. I had him make me a custom PSU according to my specs over 2 years ago. That PSU was and is amazing. Last week i had pcpowercooling build me another custom job based on thier 510 deluxe psu. Now i got 2 outstanding PSU's and it cost me less than $700.00 US for both. BTW they have dropped thier pricing a lot over the last few months. You can get the 510 deluxe for under 200 bucks and you can adjust the 12v and 5v and 3.3v line via 3 holes on the case for acces to the trim pots. I got no idea how much adjment they allow since mine do not have those pots. Mine are remote and mounted to the front of my case. For the money i'd say the 510 deluxe is probably the best PSU out there.
I did the mod today! It worked like hell!! Im now running my TwinMOS Winbond PC3200 ram on 240MHz 1:1 2-2-2-6 3.2v!
Here's a screenshot of Hardware Doctor:
That's looking real neat. Another inspiration for me to do the VTT mod.Quote:
Originally posted by Gef
I did the mod today! It worked like hell!! Im now running my TwinMOS Winbond PC3200 ram on 240MHz 1:1 2-2-2-6 3.2v!
Here's a screenshot of Hardware Doctor:
How was your Ram's performance before you did the VTT mod?
Need info. Don't wnna do the mod unless I can gain around 5Mhz DDR
TIA
My ram could boot into windows at 228MHz 2-2-2-6 2.8v before, not more than that. Then it weren't fully stable. Now the boot up easily on 240MHz 2-2-2-6 3.2v. Been running it for 2 hours now! Everything is stable! :DQuote:
Originally posted by Minnyboy
That's looking real neat. Another inspiration for me to do the VTT mod.
How was your Ram's performance before you did the VTT mod?
Need info. Don't wnna do the mod unless I can gain around 5Mhz DDR
TIA
Her's some pictures:
http://www.home.no/gef/MC64on.jpg
http://www.home.no/gef/Utstyr.jpg
http://www.home.no/gef/how.jpg
http://www.home.no/gef/MC64off.jpg
http://www.home.no/gef/MC64f.jpg
http://www.home.no/gef/240.JPG
Im running single ram now, but im gonna order some dual soon. ;)
Edit: i haven't done the VTT mod, just the vdimm mod, removal of the MC64
Sorry, wrong thread, I was thinking of the IC7 Vmem mod thread & how they did the VTT mod as well & thought that you had done the VTT mod.
My Bad
I'm waiting on my first Max3 to come back from RMA, got an Asus P4C800-E that didn't like any of my Ram so I got a 2nd Max3 .
Looked at the Max3 B4 buying it & it already has the "MC64" removed.
I thought you were doing a VTT stabilisation mod..
I haven't tested my BH-5's on it past 230/DDR460 but seeing that DDR460 is the max on my Vmem modded IC7-G than I think I'm good for the next step, VTT mod.
Now the question is, do I do the VTT mod (void warranty) or be happy that my Vdimm is stable?
Good to see it's working good for you.
Cheers.
I'am thinkin about getting this board. I have a asus p4c800-e dlx that does 250 1/1 2-2-2-5 all day. Only with 2x256 installed. Problem is when I put 4x256 in. Any two sticks of the stuff I have will do 250 tight timmings at 3.45volts. 200 is tops with all four at any vdimm up to 3.55.
Can this abit max3 do better with the mods?
I also have questions about the mods. The vdimm mod is mc64 pin side to 5k variable resistor. I can either remove the mc64 or lift the pin on the chip and go from the raised pin?
Then the vtt mod it the one that is pitured so well up above by stang_man?
Where is the vnorth mod?
i think generally you wont get much of an overclock with 4sticks... but thats just my opinion
crap when i up volts to 3.2 i only get 1.36 vtt does this mean there is no point in doing the cap mod without doing the vtt mod? (i havnt taken off the cap yet...)
wolfgang, I totally agree with PyroTeknik, it's nearly impossible to get high OC's with 4 sticks.
My new Max3 has the MC64 taken out already... Still deciding on whether to do the VTT mod... My XMS are maxing out at DDR460-466 at 2-5-2-2@3.2v on both my modded IC7-G & new Max3. Both boards have the same VTT issue....
Of course I'll be using my IC7-G as a guinea pig...
If it dies? I got another Max3 in RMA...
Yup even i've tried 4 sticks with vdd/vtt mods and o/c really suffered big time. I'd suggest 2 sticks of 512mb sticks. If you find some that o/c decent let me know. Until then i'll just wait for the new chips from Hynix to come out.
Damn, my ram stick are crazy! Were able to puch it up to 251MHz 2-2-2-6 3.2v! Its only a 200MHz stick.
http://www.home.no/gef/ram2.JPG
My VTT is at 1,55v, isn't that ok?
Yeah, great. Did VTT mod ?Quote:
Originally posted by Gef
Damn, my ram stick are crazy! Were able to puch it up to 251MHz 2-2-2-6 3.2v! Its only a 200MHz stick.
http://www.home.no/gef/ram2.JPG
My VTT is at 1,55v, isn't that ok?
No, just the vdimm mod, removing of MC64 :DQuote:
Originally posted by Szymek
Yeah, great. Did VTT mod ?
Pheff... Is that normal that removing MC64 will 'mod' VTT ?Quote:
Originally posted by Gef
No, just the vdimm mod, removing of MC64 :D
No, i didn't think so, but im not sure. I think my VTT is quite nice actually, i dont think i will have to do the VTT mod...which ofcourse im glad about :)Quote:
Originally posted by Szymek
Pheff... Is that normal that removing MC64 will 'mod' VTT ?
Just remember Vagp and VTT are backwards. So don't confuse the 2. Break out the multimeter to be sure. Without vtt mod the max it can go is 1.40 + or - 10%. More than likely it was your Vagp. None of mine were + or - 10% btw. They were closer to + or - 2%
oh, ok...didn't know that...well, then my actuall VTT is 1.4v when i use 3.2v ;)Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
Just remember Vagp and VTT are backwards. So don't confuse the 2. Break out the multimeter to be sure. Without vtt mod the max it can go is 1.40 + or - 10%. More than likely it was your Vagp. None of mine were + or - 10% btw. They were closer to + or - 2%
Yup i thought so ;)
hmm...maybe i will have to get into this modding thing and do the VTT mod also ;)Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
Yup i thought so ;)
Remove cap, cut the trace, solder VR
Voila !
is this the right 1k vr for the VTT mod?
http://www.radioshack.com/product.as...5Fid=271%2D342
can beQuote:
Originally posted by Boyne7
is this the right 1k vr for the VTT mod?
http://www.radioshack.com/product.as...5Fid=271%2D342
alright cool
Come on i wanna see some benches in dual channel mode at cas2-5-2-2 at 250+. Do the mod and kick some ass.
Who do you talkin' to :banana: :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
Come on i wanna see some benches in dual channel mode at cas2-5-2-2 at 250+. Do the mod and kick some ass.
just as soon as i can get to radio shack and pick up some vr's ill be doing some benches at 250+ 2-5-2-2
ill be comparing 1gb mushkin pc3200 lv2 bh-5 to
512mb kingston hyperx pc3500 bh-5
Anyone and everyone :stick:Quote:
Originally posted by Szymek
Who do you talkin' to :banana: :toast:
took off the cap... and i have crap for vtt 2.9-3.1 is 1.29 vtt and 2.8 and 3.2 are 1.36 (so yuou could say that 3.2 is crap as well) and 1.36 is good for 2.8 cause it undervolts to 2.72 my volts are rock stable now though
So you added a fixed resistor to the ground? Iam confused about series. Would 1/4 watt resistors be fine? Does the values stay the same? 100 ohms from mosfit to mc50 and 900 from mc50 to ground?Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
Yup :) Oh and i had some slight issues with my volt mods. Mainly VTT went wack on me. I ended up replaces the 1k ohm vario with the same. But i decided to add a 1/8 watt to my varios for VDD and VTT. Both were 50 ohms and i added them to the ground side of pin in series. Anyways it seems to be working again and i just managed to raise my corsairs pc3500 max to 260 cas2-2-2-5 Turbo cpc enabled hehe
I have recently puchased a Max3 too, it has a sticker on it saying v1.0, yet when I checked there is no MC64 on mine either...Quote:
Originally posted by Minnyboy
Just got another Max3 whilst waiting for my first Max3 to come back from RMA.
I noticed that I got the verion 1.1 (ver1.0 but with the M64 de-soldered off the board.)
This is good as I really didn't fancy attacking my brand new comp - first upgrade for 3 years...
Oh don't let me cofuse you. I was rambling a bit. One of my pots fried so i added the fixed resistors to another pot. You don't have to do that. I just did it as a safety factor. And yes a 1/4 watt resistor would work fine.Quote:
Originally posted by wolfgang
So you added a fixed resistor to the ground? Iam confused about series. Would 1/4 watt resistors be fine? Does the values stay the same? 100 ohms from mosfit to mc50 and 900 from mc50 to ground?
Well, I got my ic7 max3 and I like it. I am able to use a higher vcore than I could with the asus. You know what that means so far 4.1 is stable, but the prommy cant do much more I fear.
Thanks for the reply catch22atplay.
Yup i had the same results. The Abit mobos all achieved a higher O/C compared to the ASUS mobos. Of course you could do the V droop fix on the ASUS mobo for Vcore and that should help it. But i really prefer the Abit mobos over any other brands. Hell my first ic7 did 305fsb my cpu limit with zero mods. No other mobos i tried from other manufacturers could get anywhere near that. Hats off to abit even with theese little issues.
Hey catch BTW I've founded my HynixD43 mem AGAIN a very good pick !Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
Yup i had the same results. The Abit mobos all achieved a higher O/C compared to the ASUS mobos. Of course you could do the V droop fix on the ASUS mobo for Vcore and that should help it. But i really prefer the Abit mobos over any other brands. Hell my first ic7 did 305fsb my cpu limit with zero mods. No other mobos i tried from other manufacturers could get anywhere near that. Hats off to abit even with theese little issues.
I do 245FSB F1-Stren-A-A-A 2-6-4-3
PS.
I broke my VDIMM mod... One of the solder joints of R50 is broken and has no contact... Now my VDIMM is 0,5V lower than 3.3V line
Thank god it is not 12V ! Must fix that tommorow...
so for the vdd mod i remove mc64 and solder a 2k vr where mc64 was, correct? also, what do i set the 2kvr at? 2k ohm? Thanx
nm i figured that out, but on doing the mod i accidentally removed the top pad of mc64, is there any other place i could use instead of there? or am i gonna just be stuck without the vdd mod?
Top pad was only a ground anyways. It's the bottom one that you actually need. Find another ground. Set the vr at 2k ohms to start
This upper one on the pic (arrow) that's ground, aye ?Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
Top pad was only a ground anyways. It's the bottom one that you actually need. Find another ground. Set the vr at 2k ohms to start
Okay here's how i did my IC7-G Vdd mod, well my m8 did it for me & advised me of a simpler way of doing it as those 2 pads from the "R50" resistor are damn small!!
Desolder "R50" resistor
Solder a 10 Ohm fixed resistor to the bottom pad of the 2 "R50" pads left after you've desoldered the "R50" resistor.
Solder the top of the 10 Ohm fixed resistor to the bottom leg of the mosfet closest to the "R50" pad.
Solder a 10K Ohm VR to the fixed resistor. My m8 soldered it to the side closest to the "R50" pad.
Solder the ground wire of the 10K Ohm VR a spare fan pin header so that you can just use the ground off it.
I'm not 100% sure but I suppose my m8 could've soldered the fixed resitor's ground to the fan pin header instead of the mosfet leg...
I've uploaded a pic of my mod. Not a good sight but hopefully it will clarify some of what I've just said. I've had my XMS3500 running 3.3v (haven't tested any higher yet as I don't need it when running 5/4).
here's a pic I posted in the "how to volt mod IC7 Vmem" thread (page 13).
And here's what i posted up in that actual post:
"I am a nOOb when it comes to voltmodding & want to vDimm mod my IC&-G mobo.
I went to my loacal electronics engineer & gave him the blueprints of hipro5's method of how to mod the IC7-G with all relevent pics of the mod.
The thing is, my soldering guy has done the mod a little different from the methods described in this forum.
Instead of solering the 10 Ohm fixed resistor to both of the "R50" pads, he's actually solder only one of the fied resistors to the "R50"pad closest to the "Winbond Chip" & the other wire to left leg of the mosfet closest to the "R50" closest to the "Mosfet".
I've borrowed "johnrr6's" schem2 (hipro5 method 2) & edited it to show what my electronic tech guy has done.
I haven't fired my board up yet as I would like to ask one of the senior members if the way I described is possible. Too afraid that I might blow up my mobo if I turn my PC on & my method is wrong.
hipro5, I have been following your method (that's how I wanted it done in the first place) but my tech guy says that the "R50" pad closest to the "Mosfet" actually goes from the left leg of the "Mosfet" goes to the "R50" pad closest to it so it makes no difference whether I solder onto the "R50" pad closest to the ?Mosfet" or if I solder directly onto the left leg of the "Mosfet".
Could one of my peers please clarify this for me? I'm kinda shaky as my mod did not turn out like how hipro5 described."
It has worked beautifully!!!
thanx that helps me greatly, ill be doing that mod now.
i just did the vdd and vtt mods and am wondering where the voltage monitoring points are? couse my bios still shows what it always did. even when i adjust the vrs nothing changes in teh bios, though ive only adjusted them a little bit, didnt want to fry anything
vdd is monitored in bios but vtt reads wrong (old) value after modQuote:
Originally posted by Boyne7
i just did the vdd and vtt mods and am wondering where the voltage monitoring points are? couse my bios still shows what it always did. even when i adjust the vrs nothing changes in teh bios, though ive only adjusted them a little bit, didnt want to fry anything
alright thanx, is there anywhere i can read the vtt from?
how can you tell if the vtt mod is working? it doesnt seem to be for me because 3.2v makes my system extremely unstable.
You soldered some wires to upper mosfet after cutting trace ? It's that leg where you should measure VTT voltageQuote:
Originally posted by Boyne7
how can you tell if the vtt mod is working? it doesnt seem to be for me because 3.2v makes my system extremely unstable.
Er no. Not on the IC7 it is not ground. Upper pad of mc64 on a max3 is ground. Sorry for the confusion there. Upper pad of R50 which you are pointing to is VDD and lower pad goes to winbond chip.Quote:
Originally posted by Szymek
This upper one on the pic (arrow) that's ground, aye ?
it is not connectd at all by now and i got VDD~=3.3 lineQuote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
Er no. Not on the IC7 it is not ground. Upper pad of mc64 on a max3 is ground. Sorry for the confusion there. Upper pad of R50 which you are pointing to is VDD and lower pad goes to winbond chip.
lower pad is connected to ground via vr.
so you're saiyng that i should raise this pad from the dead (scratch some track that was with the pad and solder) rather than doing something else ?
Nothing wrong with your method at all. Probably the best way to do it. I don't use a 10 ohm fixed resistor though. I use a 200 ohm fixed and a 2k ohm vario. On another mobo i just use all 3 pins of a 1k ohm vario and for vtt all 3 pins for a 2k ohm vario. It doesn't really matter how you do it. So long as you cconnect where you are supposed to connect the resistors etc. I can run 3 different brands of ddr at 258+ cas2-5-2-2. I didn't use the 10 ohm resistor because the value of the vr would be extremely low when i set vdd to 3.5 volts. With the low resistance this would raise current more than i would like. I don't want to raise current. I just want to raise volts. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Minnyboy
here's a pic I posted in the "how to volt mod IC7 Vmem" thread (page 13).
And here's what i posted up in that actual post:
"I am a nOOb when it comes to voltmodding & want to vDimm mod my IC&-G mobo.
I went to my loacal electronics engineer & gave him the blueprints of hipro5's method of how to mod the IC7-G with all relevent pics of the mod.
The thing is, my soldering guy has done the mod a little different from the methods described in this forum.
Instead of solering the 10 Ohm fixed resistor to both of the "R50" pads, he's actually solder only one of the fied resistors to the "R50"pad closest to the "Winbond Chip" & the other wire to left leg of the mosfet closest to the "R50" closest to the "Mosfet".
I've borrowed "johnrr6's" schem2 (hipro5 method 2) & edited it to show what my electronic tech guy has done.
I haven't fired my board up yet as I would like to ask one of the senior members if the way I described is possible. Too afraid that I might blow up my mobo if I turn my PC on & my method is wrong.
hipro5, I have been following your method (that's how I wanted it done in the first place) but my tech guy says that the "R50" pad closest to the "Mosfet" actually goes from the left leg of the "Mosfet" goes to the "R50" pad closest to it so it makes no difference whether I solder onto the "R50" pad closest to the ?Mosfet" or if I solder directly onto the left leg of the "Mosfet".
Could one of my peers please clarify this for me? I'm kinda shaky as my mod did not turn out like how hipro5 described."
It has worked beautifully!!!
If you completely remove R50 then winbond thinks vdd is at 0 volts. So it send a gignal to the mosfets to increase volts. It'll do that until it reaches max volts of your 3.3v line. Problem with that is it also increases current to max. Don't fry that ddr dude. If you left it like that you will fry the ddr. Also if you monitored vdd and benched sandra mem bench you will see vdd going from say 3.3v to 3.1 volts. Back and forth, back and forth. That fluctuation will keep you from achieving any decent ddr o/c.Quote:
Originally posted by Szymek
it is not connectd at all by now and i got VDD~=3.3 line
lower pad is connected to ground via vr.
so you're saiyng that i should raise this pad from the dead (scratch some track that was with the pad and solder) rather than doing something else ?
So yes raise it from the dead. However you don't really have to raise it from the dead. Instead of using the upper pad just use the mosfet leg like Minnyboy on previous page. That'll fix you right up. :)
Believe me my VDD is stable as rock at 3,36V :)Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
If you completely remove R50 then winbond thinks vdd is at 0 volts. So it send a gignal to the mosfets to increase volts. It'll do that until it reaches max volts of your 3.3v line. Problem with that is it also increases current to max. Don't fry that ddr dude. If you left it like that you will fry the ddr. Also if you monitored vdd and benched sandra mem bench you will see vdd going from say 3.3v to 3.1 volts. Back and forth, back and forth. That fluctuation will keep you from achieving any decent ddr o/c.
So yes raise it from the dead. However you don't really have to raise it from the dead. Instead of using the upper pad just use the mosfet leg like Minnyboy on previous page. That'll fix you right up. :)
Measured VTT was 1,4 (so VTT mod stopped working)
BUT I CAN RUN F1-Enchanced-A-A-A 2-6-4-3 245MHz ROCK STABLE
Erhm why :D
Trust me it isn't stable. Fix your vdd like i said or you'll fry that stuff. Any ddr should be able to do 245 streetracer 2-5-2-2 with 3.2 volts. I've tried enough to know by now. So long as they use bh5 or D43 chips. So pc3000-3500. I sold 2 of my worse chips and they did 252 cas2-5-2-2 streetracer enhanced.
any ?? not any !Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
Trust me it isn't stable. Fix your vdd like i said or you'll fry that stuff. Any ddr should be able to do 245 streetracer 2-5-2-2 with 3.2 volts. I've tried enough to know by now. So long as they use bh5 or D43 chips. So pc3000-3500. I sold 2 of my worse chips and they did 252 cas2-5-2-2 streetracer enhanced.
had ch5 that would do any cas anf fsb (up to 250) gat AUTO
even fsb 200 a-a-a-a-a or else hangup...
ok i'll fix that in a day or two but i monitor vdd with mbm and it is stable as it was with pin soldered to this mosfet..
a few questions about the vtt mod... which i've done.
vdd shows up at 3.25 in abit eq...
vtt shows up as 1.39 in abit eq...
where are the vdd and vtt measuring points?
thanks! (ps i've looked through all 7 pages and couldn't find it) :)
vdd is monitored in bios and should be 'visible' without dmmQuote:
Originally posted by shimmishim
a few questions about the vtt mod... which i've done.
vdd shows up at 3.25 in abit eq...
vtt shows up as 1.39 in abit eq...
where are the vdd and vtt measuring points?
thanks! (ps i've looked through all 7 pages and couldn't find it) :)
vtt can be measured at the point where you soldered a wire to upper mosfet
I was a bit shaky bout my m8 doing the IC7-G Vmem mod differently to hipro5's & CATCH22ATPLAY's methods (me thinks they're the ones who helped creat the mod) but am eXtremely happy with the results.
Next up will be the VTT stabilisation mod for both my IC7-G & Max3 as 3.2v or above will only give me 1.36v or so. That's measuring by the bios, I still haven't learned to measure the VTT by the mosfet yet.
CATCH22ATPLAY, are the VTT mods the same for both the Max3 & IC7-G? just wanna make sure they're both the same b4 I commit..
I kinda prefer my modded IC7-G to my Max3 now that I've done the Vmem mod..
Thanks to all that have helped me in this learning curve:toast:
edit:
thanks for the tip in measuring the VTT.
For VTT yes they are exactly the same. VDD mod on the max3 is easier because when you remove mc64 you put a 2k ohm vario in it's place and you're done. Oh only if you want above 3.2 volts that is. Hey i finally booted up my IC7max3 after having done the agp mod about 2 weeks ago. I set agp at 1.80v and now i don't have any agp issues at all. Look below and all with just a 17c water block for the cpu. I wonder what this cpu would do with my phase change setup. :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by Minnyboy
I was a bit shaky bout my m8 doing the IC7-G Vmem mod differently to hipro5's & CATCH22ATPLAY's methods (me thinks they're the ones who helped creat the mod) but am eXtremely happy with the results.
Next up will be the VTT stabilisation mod for both my IC7-G & Max3 as 3.2v or above will only give me 1.36v or so. That's measuring by the bios, I still haven't learned to measure the VTT by the mosfet yet.
CATCH22ATPLAY, are the VTT mods the same for both the Max3 & IC7-G? just wanna make sure they're both the same b4 I commit..
I kinda prefer my modded IC7-G to my Max3 now that I've done the Vmem mod..
Thanks to all that have helped me in this learning curve:toast:
edit:
thanks for the tip in measuring the VTT.
Nice!!:toast:Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
For VTT yes they are exactly the same. VDD mod on the max3 is easier because when you remove mc64 you put a 2k ohm vario in it's place and you're done. Oh only if you want above 3.2 volts that is. Hey i finally booted up my IC7max3 after having done the agp mod about 2 weeks ago. I set agp at 1.80v and now i don't have any agp issues at all. Look below and all with just a 17c water block for the cpu. I wonder what this cpu would do with my phase change setup. :toast:
I'm gonna do both of the boards, getting greedy...:D
I just want my VTT on my Max3 & IC7-G to be stable at 3.3v/1.65VTT.. not asking for much:D
Getting another 2 sticks of XMS3500 B4 they're all gone.. Pity it's only 256MB sticks but... The ones I have now are maxing out at 233Mhz@3.2v. I'm thinking that if I do the VTT mod, I'll be able to get them to run a bit higher than that. Don't need them higher but it'll be good to know what they're capable of.:D
Now time to choose which Max3 I do the mod to, the one with the MC64 taken off or the one with it still on. I'm leaning towards the one with it off as there's not as much work involved..
Catch22, are those AGP mods with an ATI or nVidia VC?
edit: I looked at your pics properly & saw the ATI drivers..
My next task is to put my 9800pro under a spare Vapo Classic once all the mods are done. I've maxed out my 2.6c but may have something left from the VC.. After the Vapo Classic gets some cool gas that is...
Off to get what I need for both the boards to get modded.:toast:
hey catch m8 !Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
For VTT yes they are exactly the same. VDD mod on the max3 is easier because when you remove mc64 you put a 2k ohm vario in it's place and you're done. Oh only if you want above 3.2 volts that is. Hey i finally booted up my IC7max3 after having done the agp mod about 2 weeks ago. I set agp at 1.80v and now i don't have any agp issues at all. Look below and all with just a 17c water block for the cpu. I wonder what this cpu would do with my phase change setup. :toast:
i asked you for your agp mod method and got no reply ;)
can you write few words about it ?
I basically used the same method as in the thread IC7 Vagp mod. I cut the trace and soldered a vario etc etc. I did replay in that thread.
I decided to try my Vnorthy mod again. I didn't use it for the 330fsb. I was just hoping it would improve 5/4 ratio. But it doesn't at all. BTW after playing around with my Vnorth mod the best way now seems to be using a 500k ohm vario between pin 2 and your 3.3v line. Set the vario at 500k ohm. Now i'm gonna try raising Vagp to 1.90 and see if that helps the 5/4 ratio. I don't think it will. 5/4 is such a pain in the ass. I think my HyperXpc3000 ddr is finally giving out on me. Back to my Corsair pc3500v1.1 :)
Oh and i was using my R9800xt during the 330fsb test. It would have been much easier with my R9700pro btw. My Nvidia card died a couple weeks ago otherwise i probably would have used that.
Cooling for mobo is northy has a heatsink from an Albatron 865 mobo with a small fan mounted on it. I put ramsinks on the Vcore mosfets and 1 ramsink on the clockgen. No case fans are being used and ambient temp is 25C. Total fans used is 3. 1 in the psu, 1 on my R9800xt, and the little one on the northy heatsink. Northy never gets hot and i bet the fan isn't even needed. Theese Vcore mosfets used to get way hot. With the way my mobo mounts to my case i had to remove that Abit OTES air damn thingie. With the ramsinks on the Vcore mosfets they actually stay nice and cool now. OK back to playing around with this. :)
Hey Symsek thanx for the vtt volt readin info, helped out a lot, verified that vtt mod is workin perfectly, had to up the volts a little but its workin. thanx
ok :)Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
[B]I basically used the same method as in the thread IC7 Vagp mod. I cut the trace and soldered a vario etc etc. I did replay in that thread.
will do that and hopefully not fry my mobo cause i am so close from modding my ic7 to the max - vagp/vdd/vtt/vnorth
VAGP :
cut the trace (like on the phpto in another thread)
solder 2k pot according to your instructions there...
:banana:
Yup do that and you'll be set. It wasn't the Vagp mod that had me worried about if my mobo would work. I had previously resoldered my VTT and VDD mod. Well i had a dead short to ground. The mobo lights would tun off and on and fan would cycle. I didn't know atm that my soldering job was bad. Thought it was something else. Figured out eventually what i did. Then i did thew Vagp mod. Then had to resolder the VDD mod. By that time the mobo was kinda dirty. Here's where i got a bit crazy. I got some special cleaner like wd40 except it's meant for electronics. I used a whole can on the mobo cleaning it real good. I left the battery in and the bios chip. That's when i though OMFG i can't belive i just did that. So when i finally booted this mobo a few days ago i did not expect it to run at all. Luck sometimes is on my side.
:banana:
OK new high. I got my 2.4 P4 up to 4G even now. cpu temp 22C with 10C water or close to that. 333fsb=sweetness except it actuall sucks because the 3/2 divider is slowing it down. Hell i might as well go back to playing with my 3.2 EE cpu :rolleyes: heh
Hey catch and others have you encountered one problem with IC7 like I did ?Quote:
Originally posted by Szymek
ok :)
:banana:
What can be wrong ? Here's my case:
Sometimes at about 80% probability the system will hang when I'm trying to run CPUZ/MBM/ClockGen (it hangs before program windows are to be showed).
It occurs only when I want to run these programs.
What the heck ? Is that CPU/MB/PCI problem ?
I run my PCI at several speeds - hangups.
PCI slot change - hangups.
All the voltages (apart from AGP for now...) altered - hangups.
Different CPU,NIC - no change...
Suspects : Audigy2, 9800PRO (maybe I've flashed wrong BIOS), DDR Memory
WHY IS THAT ONLY WITH CPUz/MBM/Clockgen ??
Szymek,
Cpu-Z works fine for me although I'm yet to use clockgen cos of probs I encountered that are similar to your probs.
Same hardware as you but the only problem is running clockgen as that ups the AGP/PCI bus as well.
MBM works fine as well.
I'm not sure how you got that prob, try CPU-Z & MBM without clockgen as I think its clockgen that's causing the probs..
My 2 cents...
Hmm thanks for your reply but in my case all these programs cause OCCASIONAL hangupsQuote:
Originally posted by Minnyboy
Szymek,
Cpu-Z works fine for me although I'm yet to use clockgen cos of probs I encountered that are similar to your probs.
Same hardware as you but the only problem is running clockgen as that ups the AGP/PCI bus as well.
MBM works fine as well.
I'm not sure how you got that prob, try CPU-Z & MBM without clockgen as I think its clockgen that's causing the probs..
My 2 cents...
Sometimes it works sometimes not..
It works most of the times but I cannot say that my system is stable...
I'd say not even OC'ed !!
Szymek,
Don't know if this has anything to do with it but have you tried to use bios 20?
Kinda confused as to why 2 PC's (yours & mine) with a lot of similar components & mine goes fine & yours doesn't.
Only thing I can think of is maybe your Ram perhaps? Just guessing but you might have to go through that s**t having to check every component. Sucks big time...
I hope things work out for ya.
Cheers,
Minh
ummm..... are this may sound stupid but you never know. are you prime stable and are those hd's off a PCI controller, or atleast not on the intel?
NON-INTEL RAIDQuote:
Originally posted by enzoR
ummm..... are this may sound stupid but you never know. are you prime stable and are those hd's off a PCI controller, or atleast not on the intel?
when I had drives at ICH5R (had Barracuda got WD now) it was the same...
PS.
Catch - runnin' 1.81 AGP now :toast: :banana: :toast:
I removed the MC64 and board will not go over 2.90 Vdimm. I can set it to 3.2 and the most it goes is 2.90.
eh thats kind of strange i removed it and now i get rock stable volts (with bad vtt of course......)
I truly think that I have the worst MAX3 in the world!
I already tried a P4 2.8 D1 and now a 2.8 M0, the max I could go with the D1 was about 233FSB with GeIL PC4200 at 1:1, with the M0 the max was 240FSB with the same mem conditions!
I'm testing now with 2x256 Mushkin PC3500 BH5 and there is no way I can go unless with divider at 3:2 :mad:, GART at F1 is a thing that I never saw with this board, neither with vdimm=3.2!!!
The MAX3 was my first Abit, and probably it will be the last one...
Tomorrow I'll test a P4C800 Deluxe!
I hate to say it but it really sounds like you just got some bad P4's. I got a collection of them that suck as well. To include an MO 2.4 that i gave up on in frustration. It was unstable at 240fsb with 17c water. I started testing stability at 250 with that cpu and when i dropped to 240 is when i thru in the towel. Not worth my time or effort for a POS cpu like that one. I'd say borrow a mobo or try your cpus in a friends mobo. Your PSU must be capable of a lot of 12v amps also. I have a lot of PSU's that won't boot my new mobos at all. I'd really hate to say it's your PSU. But if you have a back-up i say try it and see what happens.
Excellent dude.:toast:Quote:
Originally posted by Szymek
PS.
Catch - runnin' 1.81 AGP now :toast: :banana: :toast:
But after testing i still have to set agp/pci divider to 73/36 minimun and i also tried 75/37, 77/38, 79/39 and 81/40. All of those settings worked for me. I use 75/37 all the time now. It seems to be the best/sweet spot. :slobber:
Is that 76/38 in clockgen ?Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
Excellent dude.:toast:
But after testing i still have to set agp/pci divider to 73/36 minimun and i also tried 75/37, 77/38, 79/39 and 81/40. All of those settings worked for me. I use 75/37 all the time now. It seems to be the best/sweet spot. :slobber:
Nah that's what i set it at in the bios. I never change agp/pci with software o/c utility.
You are http://pages.prodigy.net/catch22atplay/owned.gif
Hey Catch22 I was wondering if yu could change your name???? Simply cause it's my nick name.
Sincerely,
Mr.Zee's daughter......
Nope i can't do that. I've been using it for years and it's registered on aim, yahoo, netscape, prodigy, etc etc etc. Thank god i don't have to use my name like this catch22atplay999. It helps being first. :D
er MrZee's daughter......??? If that sig is you then http://pages.prodigy.net/catch22atplay/hitit.gifQuote:
Originally posted by mrzee
Hey Catch22 I was wondering if yu could change your name???? Simply cause it's my nick name.
Sincerely,
Mr.Zee's daughter......
Why should he change his name? he was here first
Oh i think he was just politely asking if i could without realising how long i've had it. I'd probably ask some other forum dudes with my nick if they could change it. That's how much it means to me. for example try googling catch22atplay. Every hit should be me and my mods. Er sorry, i got a big ego. ;)
Sorry guys, she posted in here without my knowledge. Catch, that's not her in my avatar, behave yourself, she's very young.
She just turned 17, and she's used the same name for about three yrs now. No reason to asked you to change yours though, sorry, I'll try not to let it happen again.
Hey Catch. My friend managed 333 non-stable and 330 stable on my modded IC7 with 2.4C
http://paranoya.org/~berkut/Szymek/1test/4ghz.JPG
Szy thats awesome
n/p dude. I kind of figured the pic wasn't your daughter. But maybe my boy could get together with your girl. He's a bit old though, 19.Quote:
Originally posted by mrzee
Sorry guys, she posted in here without my knowledge. Catch, that's not her in my avatar, behave yourself, she's very young.
She just turned 17, and she's used the same name for about three yrs now. No reason to asked you to change yours though, sorry, I'll try not to let it happen again.
Szymek, 334 nice. Mine was 335 max 333 stable er sort of. Was it on your modded mobo or an unmodded one?
:: The daughter::..... Where you fro?? What does your boy look like??? And he's not to old at all.... lol... Have a good night... peace love and chicken grease
Modded :cool:Quote:
Originally posted by CATCH22ATPLAY
n/p dude. I kind of figured the pic wasn't your daughter. But maybe my boy could get together with your girl. He's a bit old though, 19.
Szymek, 334 nice. Mine was 335 max 333 stable er sort of. Was it on your modded mobo or an unmodded one?
I cannot say now how these mods affected OCability ;)
Did the mod by snipping the MC64 cap in half. Works great!:)
Yup i found needle nose pliers to be the best and easiest way to do it.
LOL@ the DAUGHTER. My sig says where i'm at. The beach in Southern California.
Surf's up dude!!!
I'm soo confused, My MAX3 doesnt have a cap on MC64 at all... what should i do? i just got this board a couple days ago
i'm 17 :DQuote:
Originally posted by mrzee
Sorry guys, she posted in here without my knowledge. Catch, that's not her in my avatar, behave yourself, she's very young.
She just turned 17, and she's used the same name for about three yrs now. No reason to asked you to change yours though, sorry, I'll try not to let it happen again.
VTT mod!!! That's all you need to do now. One of your mods has already been done & without voiding your warranty!!!:DQuote:
Originally posted by Darkstar559
I'm soo confused, My MAX3 doesnt have a cap on MC64 at all... what should i do? i just got this board a couple days ago
I got 2 Max3's 1 w/out the MC64 & 1 with it - was RMAed for a different reason, Vdimm was working good on the RMAed board, now it's stuffed.....
Can you do a favour for me? Check your Vcore & see if it undervolts bad? My Max3 (w/out MC64, the newer one) is 1.47v when set to defaults....1.6v gives me 1.525v-1.54v...
Haven't tested it's potential yet but don't like this Vcore fluctuating this bad!!!
Trying to figure out if it's just my bad luck once again or if all the Vdimm fixed Max3's have the same issue I'm having...
I thought the Asus P4C800-E's Vcore fluctuations was bad...This one's worse...
Was going to do the VTT mod on the newer Max3 but me thinks that me remove MC64 & do VTT mod on my RMAed Max3...iirc it's vcore was stable...
Ok, finally got round to lifting the 30 kilo's or so worth of pc+prommie out of the window sill and removed the MC64. I'm very pleased with the transformed stability of my vdimm line :)
ALthough strangly it doesn't seem to have brought me much.
I just quickly tested some 1:1 action Superpi 1M and the best I could do before was 243.4mhz. The best I could do now was 242.5mhz. ALthough with a bit higher temps. This is on 3.2v and 2.2.2.5 timings and auto GAT settings. So I'm pleased with flat vdimm line but not that it seems to give me anything :(
Although I do seem to be able to run 5:4 at 24/7 settings at a lower vdimm now.
The Asus fluctuates and droops a lot more than the MAX3. I got up to 0.10v droop and the MAX3 shows between 0.05-0.07v. I'll take the latter!Quote:
Originally posted by Minnyboy
I thought the Asus P4C800-E's Vcore fluctuations was bad...This one's worse...
Was going to do the VTT mod on the newer Max3 but me thinks that me remove MC64 & do VTT mod on my RMAed Max3...iirc it's vcore was stable...
My P4C800-E is sittng nicely in my spare room waiting for me to RMA it & then get rid of the sod.Quote:
Originally posted by Ace-a-Rue
The Asus fluctuates and droops a lot more than the MAX3. I got up to 0.10v droop and the MAX3 shows between 0.05-0.07v. I'll take the latter!
Abit all the way for me, 2 x Max3's & an IC7-G. Gotta get off my a** & get the VTT mod done as well as getting one of my Max3's MC64 off. The other one already has it off (that's the one with the fluctuating Vcore (1.525v is 1.45v-1.47).
At least I can play with my BH5's now...
Ok i did the mod it made my vdimm stable but i still cant use anything above 2.8 the vtt is very low at 1.26 at 2.9 and 1.4 at 3.2 non of hte vdimms are stable its stable at 2.8 and lower and the ram im using has been tested in a P4C800-E with the vdimm mod at 3.1 at 290 1:1 3 4 4 8 prime stable so yeah it aint the ram, but it has stablelised my vdimm etc.
I cant be stuffed removing the mobo from the prommy i guess i will have to do with 2.8v for the mo. Thanks anyway