hheheeh i've been there not badQuote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
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hheheeh i've been there not badQuote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
I would be very careful making such strong comments and conclusions if you are not 9999 % sure you got your facts right :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco André
It is known in the industry that TFC doesn't have a unspoiled reputation and distributions have been moving around of good reasons...
/Thomas
Hi Thomas FJ,
That's why i used the AFAIK... I'm only 99,8% sure :yepp:
Your information is VERY wrong and as such I'd appreciate if you edited your post to reflect that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco André
We at WCUK have stopped trading with Aqutuning as a result of their back-stabbing antics and we are in correspondace with the other companies involved to ensure the correct outcome.
To say you were 99.8% sure proves your "sources" can't be all they're cracked up to be, until now we've made abosuletly zero public comments on this issue.
The Feser issue was totally un-related to this Aquatuning farse.
Thanks :)
not sure I like the way this thread is drifting now...there was an issue, a big issue that needed to be commented, but let's not go into each company's internal policies and bring up all the dirt on XS. Time to lock this thread I would say.
ownedQuote:
Originally Posted by marcus000
I mailed our Atuning contact about this, if he already replies that would be something :p Getting any waterblocks that would be an even bigger miracle...
if you can read German, take a look at this thread, especially their comment...I'd be surprised they'd ever acknowledge anything..at least on a Forum or through mails :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
http://www.aquatuning-forum.com/view...hp?f=12&t=4113
This subject is fair game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logos
is this another response from them? or the same one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Logos
again, can someone translate?
There's a clear difference between 99.8% sure and being absolutely wrong.
Worst part of this is...we as the consumer will have to pay for all the mess of lawyers it takes to clean this up through higher prices.
Next time you want to buy some watercooling gear, you can thank them for the hole in YOUR wallet..
I use my Oregon Trail card to buy water-cooling gear. Don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
This is the same response I linked to earlier and translated here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=92Quote:
Originally Posted by LOUISSSSS
They (again) say that starting hate campaigns against webshops (like we all do in there eyes against them) doesn't fall under their normal business activities... So they don't admit anything, won't go into the matter and actually try to tun it all around.... ( omg give me a bowl to puke in )Quote:
Originally Posted by LOUISSSSS
The user who responds next ironicly says: " Then is it's clear, massive sueing other little webshops doesn't fall under the term hate campaign also... You guys are laughable"
they deleted the last post and locked the thread now:
http://www.aquatuning-forum.com/view...hp?f=12&t=4113
they're confirming they wouldn't discuss anything publicly and are taking the case to court against one competitor :shrug: :D...that they've done so much blah blah blah...for the customers, keeping prices as low as possible...they're the victims :D
Yep, in their own alternate universe, I'm sure they are! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Logos
Wow, and to think I was about to buy hundreds of euros worth of stuff off that site. Glad someone linked me to this. Definitely going to try and get it all off of a-c-shop.de instead. Plus they're running a 10% off special for the next month so I'll spend less AND stick it to aquatuning lol.
No, I need to get me one though...:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Someone needs to find these guys warehouse and just burn it to the ground...
OK, JK, that's a little extreme. :shocked:
But a boycott certainly is smart, they need to suffer for this.
I am willing to contribute to the Joel of Mass Destruction being launched on themQuote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
http://www.getreligion.org/wp-conten..._Pickens_2.jpg
Yup just vote with your wallet to tear them down! Simple as that and if you find anyone shopping on their site you take their computer and show them hardcore watercooling and throw it in the river. :rofl:
Ditto. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
sigd :up:
lmao, golden :rofl:
Sorry, did anyone read or can really prove that the concerned companies do disagree with the procedure of Aquatuning?
The rumors are online several days, but I have not read any real confirmation, yet ...
Only a "I have heard" or "XYZ will take legal action", but no assured facts. Are you really really really sure, that Aquatuning did not act within the limits of their contracts as a (local exculsive) distributor?
Iīm beginning to be in doubts ...
If (and only if) they act within their contracts the whole rumor will mutate into a (very well prepared) campaign against Aquatuning and I would really like to know, who did start it - and why :cool:
Certainly: Only if ...
I have contacted most of the manufacturers. Those who have responded were not aware of this activity, did not authorize this activity, did not approve of this activity, and are actively taking legal action to combat this activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
I will not post their responses here because I don't feel I have the right to post their email correspondences.
Really, what right do you think a retailer actually has to trademark a product they are reselling?
If you don't believe those who have posted that they have been in contact with the companies involved (and even one who posted here who is directly involved) then contact the companies yourself and ask for comment so that you can make an informed decision about whether or not to support this company. If AT had nothing to hide, they would have explained the situation by now instead of declining to comment and allowing this to perpetuate.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
confirming, I've also been in touch with two companies I won't name there, one said they were aware of the issue for a while, the other one is taking action and thanked me for the friendly warning ;)
There are millions of court cases around the world every day, we only get to hear about the ones the media deems interesting. Doubt we'll ever hear anything further on this, especially after legal action has been initiated. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
I had a real live face-to-face conversation with one of the parties about it and they were NOT happy. Then I read from a couple others posting on OTHER forums that have a big issue with it. So WTF are you saying? AQUATUNING DID NOT HAVE PERMISSION to do so. Tell me how you are connected to Aquatuning? Only someone connected would defend them.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
you must be kidding, I for one and others here too I'm sure use to consider Aquatuning as the best liquid cooling gear provider in Europe; so how any of us would have any sort of interest in initiating a campaign against them for some obscure reason :shrug: It does bother me that Aquatuning is involved in that mess, and I certainly would have preferred the rumors to be unfounded, but they're unfortunately not. Go through this thread again, other forums...Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Sorry again, there are still no proves :rolleyes:
And: In difference to others I think the matter is to serious to jump to conclusions ... I am overaged for kidding :cool:
@DarthBeavis
Who are YOU to insult ME? How are YOU connected to FESER? :rolleyes: Post your question at forumdeluxx.de (my home and castle) and some people will be very amused ... :stick:
@Logos
Hu, there are a lot of possible reasons for it ... And I am more or less active in 4 fora, no problem to release information worldwide :p:
@Waterlogged
Unfortunately I agree.
no proves hey ? go to the EU and the German registering web sites, and see for yourself who trademarked x and y and z brands, you don't feel like checking or what ?Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
I know these screens. But why didnīt any of the companies react at all before? Bitspower, DangerDen, Koolance .... All not interested in their trademarking? Canīt believe in so much amateurishly acting. Give me a link to an official statement of one of them and there will be no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logos
There are dozens of employees and CEOs of these companies active in different fora - and all of them do the same: remain silent. Why? Fear of Aquatuning :rofl:???
No, most companies won't talk about legal actions unless they are absolutely forced to, and in some cases, gag orders prevent even that. They don't like John Q. public knowing what goes on behind closed doors and will keep it that way as long as they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Prolly they want to get this sorted out in a decent manner and are investigating how to counteract... Even if the manufacturers were amateurish, does that justify what AT want's to pull of here ?
If you are right Scamps, then this has been a massive hoax. If not Aquatuning will suffer big time for this act. Sadly my contact doesn't respond at AT at all...
Simple answer, they didn't react before because they didn't know before. It is not the job of the trademark registry to contact all possible people being infringed upon. It is the job of the registrant to make sure, and it is the job of proper parties involved to make sure they protect their trademarks. In this case AT is primarily snapping up trademarks of companies products who are based overseas.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Have you registered your companies trademarks in China, Japan, Korea, Australia, United States, Russia, Germany, France, England, etc.... ?
I know that at least most of the companies in question have their trademarks registered in their home countries.
It costs a lot of money, and isn't necessarily worth it. If you would have read the thread you would have seen that we have all come to the conclusion that LEGALLY there might not technically be anything wrong with what AT is doing. However, there is a 6 month dispute period where the companies effected can dispute the trademark registration.
Irregardless of the legality of the matter, the morals and ethics are simply despicable. That is primarily what most of us are objecting to. The general behavior at play here. It's like those seedy personal injury lawyers who chase ambulances around town. Nobody really likes their behavior even though it is within the law.
How do you think people would react if I trademarked AquaComputer in the United States (open trademark btw) and then started demanding royalty fees for every aquatube, aquaero or AC product sold in the United States. Legally I could do that, but it doesn't mean that people have to like it or approve of it.
The really sucky part is that the companies who now have to defend their trademarks with lawyers are going to lose a lot of money and it'll more than likely get pawned off on us with higher component prices.
Argh.
Usually in legislation like this, the loser pays the winner's court fees, so the money doesn't come out of the consumers' pockets.
I never said Feser dipwad. You need to do some research on who you are talking to.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Now you are really showing your ignorance:
You listed three companies. ALL are my sponsors. Hey, Feser has also sponsored me. And most if not ALL of those companies are pursuing action. Vincent from Bitspower and Danger Den are pissed. Want me to place a call to see if Koolance has a take on it?Quote:
I know these screens. But why didnīt any of the companies react at all before? Bitspower, DangerDen, Koolance .... All not interested in their trademarking? Canīt believe in so much amateurishly acting. Give me a link to an official statement of one of them and there will be no doubt.
There are dozens of employees and CEOs of these companies active in different fora - and all of them do the same: remain silent. Why? Fear of Aquatuning ???
Again, you clearly have NO idea who I am. Between me and a guy who runs another site I will not name who I also VERY pissed about this, we have pretty much ALL the major companies as good contacts.
One more thing to consider: Do you think Kyle of [H] has no insider info? Are you crazy?
And why would I want to go to some German forum?
um... getting the judgement in favor of one party for legal fees is easy...Quote:
Originally Posted by 3Z3VH
getting the payment... that's another story...
nobody, except the lawyers, win in a case like this...
just some experience in the past, dealing with counterfeiters... actually sent one to jail after we raided his house/warehouse in the middle of the night... that was quite a scene...
of course, NDA prohibits us from talking further...
Personally I've just contacted my lead in Farnell (distributors or Bulgin products here, there and everywhere) and emailed Bulgin (company based on Essex, round the corner from where I live) about this conundrum.
I'm not sure I fully understand what's going on with AT, but I'm sure their legal team will.
It's interesting that in that published list there are some names missing... like Tygon for instance. It's St Gobain Plastics a bit too big to bite into? :D :D
scamps how are you connected to Aquatuning. Do you just live close? Are you friends with the company? Do you work there? I have clearly disclosed I am friends with Danger Den (everyone here knows that). I also have great relations with a few people from Koolance and have had sponsorship relationships with BP, Feser, Performance PCs, Smooth Creations, Nvidia, ATI/AMD, Intel, Crucial, Silverstone, Asus, Mountain Mods, etc. I have given full disclosure. Your turn.
lol believe it or not, I've thought about that already, Tygon and Saint-Gobain...Saint-Gobain is a French based multinational company...no, AT won't risk it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MrToad
...they'd get wiped off the map in less than a week ;)
ps:I noticed as well a few days ago Tygon wasn't in the list of course :ROTF:...and Tygon's probably trademarked all over the planet by their legal owner already.
I've been trying all day to reconfigure my watercooling parts purchase to avoid Aquatuning. What they're doing is the lowest of low.
I even ended up buying my new Enermax 85+ 1250 from another site for 18 Euros more just to give Aquatuning the finger. I'm voting with my wallet.
On a related note, any German or thereabouts members know any good sites besides:
Aqua Computer
PC Ice Box
A-C Shop
Preferably something in Germany.
Agreed. A multi-national like St Gobain, who deals in thermoplastics, and therefore must have close ties with oil multi-nationals, seems like the kind of people that can sort minor issues like this with a phone call and at administrative level, without actually having to bother the board of directors with minutia :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Logos
Still, if AT is really trying to register all these trademarks as their own, I really don't know what they think they're gonna achieve.
I'd rather use my own intestines as tubing than buying from someone who steals the hard work of small companies that have made a name for themselves through bloody hard grafting.
I think its funny some tool comes here saying the companies who RIGHTFULLY own the names do not care.
Well, if this is what it seems (I keep using if because, as I said before, I'm not sure I fully understand what's going on...), I'd think that it would be a cold day in hell before Gabe (Swifty) would willingly let some random distributor (not because they're German, I'm sure if Aquatuning would have their HQ in North Carolina the situation would be exactly the same) use the name Swiftech to commercialize anything, even if what they intend to commercialize under that name are baby meals.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
companies HAVE to care... else statue of limitations or their versions thereof, applies...Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Mr Scamps, What are you really trying to say here, that every person posting here is just biased against AT and that we just want them to fail for no reason? or do you have some kind of relationship with AT.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
there is no "public" reaction from those companies against AT because this is likely going to the courts, and all information will NOT be released to the public. that is why u dont see Gabe or other company reps in here posting their plans.
I dont care if its legal, or illegal: what they're doing. its not morally right and us (the consumers) don't like that. even though i am not from europe and have no plans to buy from there, i would HATE any retailer to do this even if it were a US retailer. F AT.:cussing:
AT names sucks! That's for sure. We don't like the way they behave ... period!
They've closed their store down for now?
aqua-tuning.de
UK store is still up though?
Understood. But why is there not even one short notice e. g. on any companies website? Why are there no (=0) news telling "We are taking legal action against AT, because ..." after several days of rumors? That is what I do not understand at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erasmus354
I am awestruck :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
see aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Once again: No. But I want facts. And I want proves. I have to accept, that I will have to wait for ...Quote:
Originally Posted by LOUISSSSS
Regarding my relationship to AT: My shop-account-nos are 28103 and
38671 (yes, Iīve got 2, I have to be an AT-agent :rolleyes:).
Regarding the nationality of AT: I did not state anything else.
Sorry guys, but itīs neither funny nor fair nor brainy to blame me, just because I got doubts and asked for some real proves.
I would be pleased, if somebody will send me a message when there is one.
So long :wave:
You are using the wrong URL ;) The right one is withhout the dash.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterStoba
Well I signed up yesterday and ordered some new EK blocks and stuff from the UK store - they have the best range of items and most in stock, plus Free delivery (with a Ģ4 handling fee) for UPS to UK.
Shame on you! ;) Of course it is a personal choice. I can't support a company that behaves in this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ_64
get him!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ_64
:rofl:
I am a consumer not a manufacturer - I may not agree with what they have allegedly done but if companies do not register there marks in Europe then I suppose anyone could do so ..........
BOOOOOOOOOOOOQuote:
Originally Posted by Russ_64
HISSSSSSSSSSSSS
:rofl:
And to think I took an 18 Euro hit to the junk just to avoid them. :rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ_64
So, I guess your point is that it's all right for a small company to produce a product in one particular country, become somewhat successful, trademark the name of their company in their country, and yet be held hostage to anyone in Nigeria, Yemen, Germany, wherever, that decides to "trademark" the name that was established with their hard work, simply because that company neglected to run around to all 156 countries around the world spending upwards of $3K or more per country to trademark that name?
So, in that vein, please go invent and market something. I'll immediately copy your trademark and trademark it for myself in Bermuda or Indonesia, get it made cheaper in China, and steal your market.......
Sounds stupid, but that's essentially what Aquatunig is doing. Do you think Swiftech, a rather small company, has the financial resources to trademark each country individually at a cost of possibly $1M? I'd rather think countries would honor trademarks across the world just like patents are done or copyrights are done.
In fact, I think Aquatuning can actually be taken down with copyright infringement, since once the name is trademarked it's also copyrighted and we all know how copyright is heavy-handed enforced around the world.
you need to bear in mind that many of the hardware companies we love today were started by enthusiasts like us
bitspower, HWLabs, Thermochill, ek just to name a few
I run a small business myself and know that its a 24h/7d job just keeping your customers happy without having to deal with this :banana::banana::banana::banana:
these companies need our help... vote with your wallets
I said that I didn't agree with what they are alleged to have done but looking at their site, I don't see them selling other companies products as their own .... if you look at their "own name" section it is simply bits and pieces still carrying the original makers name .......
man, this is absolutely not the issue at all; nobody said they would attempt to sell stuff under their own name :rolleyes: Registering trademarks for them means they could simply sue any other retailer selling the same products, nice hey :D (and this could also include the manufacturers themselves when they sell directly, or when they have a contract with someone else than AT).Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ_64
Guys lets not get into grief with each other. Everyone has the right to buy from where ever they like and we should not be against that nor should we be resentful/hateful towards that person/s.
Obviously there are facts, speculations and here says in this scenario with AT. Lets all continue to get along and seek more factual information and I'm sure as this "A-T GATE" becomes clear and translucent, we will all do the right thing and give our support and backing to those who deserve it.
I personally do not call for a boycott of AT ;) Legal actions taken by the respective concerned brand owners is the way, whatever the outcome is. That doesn't mean that I'd advise anyone to keep buying there, everybody is free.
I think scamps have a point, we are assuming the worst and jumping to conclusions. Sure something fishy is going on but should you not be considered innocent until proved guilty?
On the other hand enough evidence have been presented to put a dent in AT creditability and at least I would be hesitant to buy something from AT at the moment.
Below is some info regarding trademark laws. It's not as cut and dry as registering a name, then arbitrarily suing companies who use it. Such an environment would be impossible to do business in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
I think that as consumers we have an obligation to support the companies that provide the products we all love.
i will personally hunt down and defecate on anyone i see shopping at at.de :shocked:
There is nothing alleged about it. They have registered the trademarks, period, end of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ_64
It's sort of like finding a burglar in your house. Then saying he hasn't committed any crimes, he was only allegedly burglarizing your house. I mean, there aren't too many reasons for a guy to break into a house carry a giant bag.... That is pretty much the deal with AT right now. They got their hand caught in the cookie jar ... who cares if they have actually taken a cookie out yet?
P.S.
If you're going to order from AT at least register for their UK forums, and then PM the mod Nitrix for a 10% discount code. The first 100 people who register there get it. I have a 10% discount code lol ... I'm trying to figure out if there is anything they sell at a 10% or lower margin.
what is this? 4chan? If you would actually poop on someone in real life then you really need to get out moreQuote:
Originally Posted by b@llz0r
:rofl::ROTF::rofl::ROTF::rofl::ROTF: :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
scamps has been told several people here including myself have spoken directly with the impacted company representatives who expressed concerns about this but he will only believe it if they contact him directly it seems. Scamps, are you saying you think I am lying and I do not have direct contact with reps from any of the companies? If you do not believe me then this must be the case. Please go ahead and call me out on it in open. Other forums even have company reps addressing this issue ;)
I never said what AQ's motive was. The move was insanely stupid and they will feel a severe impact. At the end of the day that is all that matters. I am positive they are very sorry that made this misstep. They have lost a lot of customers and most likely suppliers as well.
'cmon guys... lay off scamps...
everyone has a different opinion and my guess is that he needs a bit more "convincing" and concrete proof before anyone is burned at the cross...
sadly scamps, issues like these gets publicized, then lawyers jump in, and their primary role is 2 things... get things settled, get things hidden... so you know they will have a NDA and all we're left with is some forum screenshots.
nothing for you to go do something drastic and leave a forum or something like that...
this is nothing worth fighting about... all we can do is express our differences of opinion and the reasoning behind it.
seriously, lighten up...
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Some never learn bro, you can't fix stupid :ROTF:
And WTF is with this "alleged" BS? Per bundymania AT has already contacted a few of the smaller shops in Germany, telling them to cease sell of the products that they trademarked.Quote:
I am a consumer not a manufacturer - I may not agree with what they have allegedly done but if companies do not register there marks in Europe then I suppose anyone could do so ..........
Do you even know what kind of a ball grinding process is involved with trademarking, especially in foreign countries? Do you have any idea the level of resources, time and money :banana::banana::banana::banana: like that takes? NO, you obviously don't, so shut up.
"AT-Gate" is great :up: and your statement 100% agreed :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by masska
This part also 100% agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by b@llz0r
Donīt know you at all, so how should I state that youīre a lyer? But just because you seem to do simply not want to understand me at all - perhaps itīs better we do not know eachother. From my side it wonīt change ... Where did companies reps addressing this issue? This hint is that, what I was primally asking for. I still do not know any example that I can read with my old and senile eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
@all
A few hours ago we tried to get some information and statement from "Wassermann" (marketing AT) in forumdeluxx. But he is muzzled by his chef(s) :rolleyes:
€dit:
@Kinghong1970
Thank you!
no I will not lay off. he pretty much said he does not think any of the companies have an issue with the registering of their names and he also implied this is just a big conspiracy to disparage AquaTuning . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by kinghong1970
I will give Scamps credit for having insider info into Aqua Tuning. Since he does, maybe he can step up and explain why they registered the names of other companies without their permission?
If I am not understanding you then I apologize. Please clarify. Your previous statements seem clear but then we might have a language barrier. I appreciate you are probably communicating in a second language on this forum so you deserve some latitude (I sure in the hell cannot post in German).
You can read? Read! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
What contracts? Whose contracts?Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
As you will know AT is (mostly eclusive) distributor of the concerned companies in Germany and for some of them afaik in Europe. So they will have contracts to do business with eachother. I hope so.
You stated to know any posts of reps of these companies elsewhere where they are complaining about ATs behaviour. I would really really really just like to have a link to it. Not more, but also not less.
And this language is not my first language. But some other people seem to understand me nevertheless. Otherwise I have to appologize. Or we meet at forumdeluxx and discuss in german language :rofl: Letīs see, how you are doing there :D (sorry)
Yup, the bosses at Aquatuning have told the employees to not tell anything, they all give non answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Personally I have decided that aquatuning should go burn in hell, they won't get any money from me anymore.
I just hope the other online shops will jump in on the opportunity and start to stock the stuff you could previously only get at aquatuning.
...FALSE, so damned false. How can you state something so ridiculous...so may be in their dreams they got some sort of exclusivity...what sort of grass are you smoking man...AT is just a small company selling watercooling stuff while hundreds of others do the same and will continue to do the same if you don't mind :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
You think we need AT to get LC gear in France, in the UK, in the Nehterlands, and even in Germany ??? NO. AT is one possible provider, just an online retailer, just that and nothing more. AT could disappear from the surface of the earth and XS would keep rolling with new builds as usual, made with components bought legally all over the globe OK ?
Again, as I just said in a post above, the aim for AT has never been to sell components under their own name, but to trademark those components in order to be able to sue anyone else selling them too.
ps: ja, und Solingen is nicht sehr weit entfernt von Bielefeld nicht wahr ? Mensch, was glaubst du eigentlich :rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Well, since you are so "in the know" with Aquatuning, then I wouldn't think it'd be hard to show these "exclusive" contracts AT has with Swiftech, D-Tek, Danger Den, et al.
In fact, I'd have thought that'd be the first thing AT produced on their forum and in others where this issue has been brought up.
Instead, we get stonewalling and no answers from the company in question....and I seriously doubt AT could produce these "exclusive" contracts if they had to.
I am not going to link you to other forums as I do not wish to be banned here.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Now explain to me why they registered the names of the companies. Please explain exactly why. And are you saying they are the exclusive distributor? Of which exact companies. Let's get into specifics.
Seems to me that AquaTunings "spindoctoring" position here is that if the companies don't "complain" it's perfectly ok for AT to do something that any reasoning human being would see as highly unethical?Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
The ONLY thing I could see to justify what AT is doing is if this was done "in ageement and upon the request of the companies who's names have been trademarked. Since NOTHING to this affect has been shown, it's pretty clear that AT is doing this in order to corner the market in those regions in a HIGHLY unethical manner.
Scumbags. <--- let me know if you need that translated Scamps.
Hello guys :)
They just opened a support thread in Germany (LUXX) and maybe they will open one here too if you ask there. They were very quick with the german one, so maybe you can ask to open one here too. Then you could discuss the issues with them directly. As they are such a big global company now, I bet they would do that here very quick too.
I just confirmed with DD they have not had a contract with AT since last Summer and AT did not have their permission. They also have been in contact with their competitors who also have said they did not give AT permission. Lawyers are involved who are familiar with the clown who caused this as they dealt with him when he pulled the same crap with the Blace Ice branding.
yeah, they only discuss the products availability there, not the trademark issue of course, and I doubt they'd come here to discuss it...Quote:
Originally Posted by dualbrain
The thread there was just opened and as far as I have understood, based on the quick decision of the bosses of this aquatuning place. I bet they would do it here too as they are such a customer-oriented company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logos
I wouldn't call trademarking all the major LC companies in all of Europe customer friendly. That only has one use and that is creating a monopoly to increase prices and profits.Quote:
Originally Posted by dualbrain
Don't worry - it was meant ironically at the moment, I don't like that "global dominator" blowup either now that I have read the story and see no actions. :)
Hi KGK. A couple of shops that come to mind are caseking.de and gamersware.de. If all else fails, highflow.nl has a very nice selection and isn't so far away;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kgk
do you suggest they could have a thread in the support section, and they'd actually like to have one ? No problem for me...they can also open a thread here anywhere on XS anytime they want. If it's in the support section, like Foxconn and others, I suppose that requires an agreement with the XS team (admins)...:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by dualbrain
ps: yeah I know they opened the thread there as an emergency; still not sure they'd do the same here...
@ scamps:
You want proof from the manufacturers and not just us telling you so? EMAIL THEM! That is what I did and that is how I got my information. All you are doing now is putting your head in the sand and screaming "IM NOT LISTENING LALALALALALALALALA!"
Hmmm, things are truely heating up here, far away from the actual hotspots.
Chill out guys. whatever we say here is not going to affect things very much, no matter who comes out with a better statement
The best thing to do would be to wait for the big boys to finally speak out and perhaps stop buying anything from *ahem* until this whole mess clears up. Buying anything from them now is not wise, regardless of whether we think *ahem* is correct ethically. Why? Becos if they have a barrage of potential lawsuits coming up, and their pants get sued off them, they may just disappear off the radar...before shipping out the orders...
but one thing's for sure, I've not seen a company attract so much malice from the WC folks before...not even Thermaltake and Koolance (in their alum days)
Ah - they have deleted any critical postings in that thread already. You are right. It seems that it's a ball-less company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logos
:D thought so yeah :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by dualbrain
Oh, they've done this as well. This is one simple instance but I think it proves the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ_64
Koolance 45° labeled as Koolance
Koolance 45° labeled as Aquatuning Black Nickel plated
Koolance 45° labeled as Aquatuning Gold plated
Nowhere on the Black Nickel or Gold plated product pages does it say "Koolance" and you won't find them in the Koolance section either. Scumbaggery at it's finest IMO.
Sand? More like sticking his head in a tree chipper ignoring the fact that it's running.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erasmus354
LOL Dont mess with DD!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
But u know DD almost did something simular with Thermochill.
No vendor B4 H2o got all bloated, was allowed to sell thermochill in the US unless it came from DD. :P
That is in no way at all similar to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
DangerDen was the North American distributor for Thermochill. This is very common business practice and there was nothing shady or backhanded about it. Come on Naekuh, that is just being ignorant.