If this is really as good as they're claiming, I know I'll take the plunge on it on any upcoming builds. I've been looking at an i7, and if this can tackle the beast, I'm sold. :yepp:
If this is really as good as they're claiming, I know I'll take the plunge on it on any upcoming builds. I've been looking at an i7, and if this can tackle the beast, I'm sold. :yepp:
Sweetness :shocked: That price is unbelievably great for the performance we get.Quote:
Originally Posted by nsegative
But that 15 degree difference we saw on that OC'd Core i7 against a TRUE seems to be to good to be true.
Now Corsair, launch this in Sweden an you have an instant buyer:up:
+1 it has unbelievable performance!!!! my 18th in a month so come on get in stores over here quickly!!! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
I'm def buying if the reviews match up to the numbers. I want complete quiet in my pc XD
Was thinking of going liquid for quite a while...but wonder when it will be finally launched. Looks good and am eagerly awaiting reviews.
55C under load for a core i7 965 @ 3.5ghz?
this is exactly why i want it!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
It's so sexy i want to rub my body against it:DQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
If the performance matches what's being said I'll get one. I'm very satisfied with Corsair products and Customer Service thus far. This thing might do some damage on a E8600.
Shoot, If I can spend the money on a copper TRUE I won't have a good excuse not to get one.
i'm slowly becoming a fan boy for certain companies...imo company loyalty is bred, and the following companies have proven that they're consistently great
-EVGA
-Corsair
-Intel
Intel for the fact that they've been pumping out great value processors that are fast as hell and overclock with ease. And their X25 drives...those things are sick
All I have to say is get a real LC system instead of bothering with this crap. 1x120mm rad != enough for proper CPU cooling.
I think you're confused. Just cause you spend 3x the money, and work your ass off to get it setup and tested, doesn't mean it's that much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
There's this disease going around...it's called elitism. Sometimes it weakens the immune system enough so that another strain called delusion sets in.
so its out (or sold out due to not actually being out yet?), where are the reviews?
just because you are too lazy to know the facts let me lay them out:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
there is no elitism to this graph: (wattage dissipation for a 10C delta)
http://swiftech.com/assets/images/pr...P_HD_VS_FR.PNG
as you can see that is a nicer 120mm rad than on the corsiar unit and it can still barely dissipate 190w of heat. A single 120mm rad is just not adequate for CPU cooling ever, not even considering that I doubt the quality of corsairs waterblock internals :rolleyes:
the chart shows little good info. having a 10c difference between coolant and air is not a constant number, but has a pretty important factor when it comes to watts that can be dissipated
? all I am saying is that with a 10c water air difference (pretty bad, usually users shoot for 5C) you only get a MAX (with high speed, loud fan) of 190W and that is too weak for good cooling of an i7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
this unit may be ok for a phenom II, but for C2Q or i7? forget about it.
Guys, you gotta keep the price in mind! :yepp:
I think being as good as True would be already good for these $$$. It actually can be a few degrees better, it's possible, against non-modded True.
I don't think anyone has said great custom water cooling systems are useless. ;) They will obviously cool a whole lot better. Even if this small one was a bit worse than True, it would be still good for small cases or show off for newb friends. :p:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835108105
$139 for a no hassle FAR more adequate cooling system that comes with an industry standard pump that can be used in a more complex loop later on.
That's an AseTek LCLC 120mm, the're not bad coolers when use push-pull with decent fans, 4GHz on a Q9xxx E0, 3.6-3.8 on an i7 C1, not sure how they'll cope with D0 i7s. But our American cousins used one on this rig to get an i7 975 to 4.15GHz.
when it comes to removing heat, all setups can move the same amount, its just at what efficiency, which then affects the cpu temp.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
whats the point of the link, its just a radiator? wheres the 140$ kit?Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
thats what the water-air delta is cited for, thanks Cpt. ObviousQuote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
aycarumba, look at the other pictures :wth:Quote:
whats the point of the link, its just a radiator? wheres the 140$ kit?
I think it will cool the i7's well. The reason I believe these units will sell well (if they deliver the promised performance) is cause people nowdays are wanting a lot more than just POWER. A few years back, I didn't care about the stuff I do now, but I realize it's part of the maturing process. Now, I not only look for the obvious performance and value, but also ease of use, and warranty/customer support. When you buy one of these units, it's easy as pie to set up, it has a warranty and support, and it cools nice and is cheap. The total package.
ok now i see the one photo showing the rest of the pieces, 5 showing off just the rad. looks like your paying almost double to get no where near double performance i bet. why spend 140$ on crappy setup, when for 140$ i can still cool my cpu, but with a pump and enough rads to cool over 500W, which i have done before. (50$ block, 50$ pump, 2x 20$ heatercores)Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
actually with that dual rad kit you are getting double the performance and more OC headroom because the RAD wont overload when you OC your CPU :rolleyes:
If I can oc a crappy c0 e8500 to 4.3 24/7 with a TRUE, then I'm pretty sure the H50 will be able to handle a 920 @ 4G's. Comparison may seem non-sensical to some, but what I'm trying to say is that IF the preliminary tests are true (mainly, the H50 beating the TRUE by quite a bit), then it will be able to handle an oc'ed i7 (and quite easily).
The point isnt to get a cooling solution as good as a triple fan rad setup, just to beat air coolers by a significant margin, as it installs as easily as one, and allows the same freedom air cooling has as far as maintenance and part/case swapping.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
There is always something better. Ofcourse a triple fan custom setup will outperform it, but its much more hassle and swapping parts/cases becomes a nightmare.
Why not just hook a hose from the tap into the inlet of your CPU block, and a hose leading back to the drain from the outlet and turn on the cold water whenever you wanna use your CPU, it will make your setup look like garbage :P
Practicality plays a part in things.
water cooling doesnt work like that, you have to consider the heat capacity of the radiator and the water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
So you're saying it won't be able to handle an oc'ed i7? Don't they have tests already with a i7 oc'ed to 3.65 or something and the H50 is keeping it really cool at load? Someone link? NM found link...Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
http://www.overclockersclub.com/news/24922/
"Corsair claims that in tests performed in its own labs, the unit cooled an Intel Core i7-965 processor overclocked to 3.46GHz with a vcore of 1.3V 30% better than stock cooling and over 10% better than a high-performance air cooler, achieving idle temperatures of 38.375C and full loads temperatures of 55.85C."
lol 3.65ghz can be done on stock voltage = not much heat. 4ghz on an i7 is a different story as anyone who has clocked the chips knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
why does it matter so much to you...Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
tbh if the performance it says is true.. its still true, ignore the people claiming it will do 4ghz etc etc.. as that's not what corsair is claiming at all. fair enough if you can do 3.6/3.56(to be exact) on an i7 @ stock volts, either way keeping it under 55*C is a HELL of an achievement for such a small cheap system at the end of the day :)
4G's on a 920 is not that big of an achievement to be honest...why ignore the people who say it's possible? That's what I would be striving for...
4ghz 100% stable and having the load temp NEVER exceed 80c is though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
Most people on 4ghz are not completely stable or their just benching or their temps are way too hot (and if they say otherwise most likely used Prime95 Blend to test it instead of something linpack based) and will probably tell you something like "well it never gets that hot under normal use anyways".
just for the fact that corsair arn't claiming it can do that, that's all .. in all honesty if it was me i'd see if i could do 4ghz etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
but fact is people are arguing over if it will work or not at cooling that beast... all im saying is corsair haven't said it will or won't so it's silly to argue over it :)
the C/W efficiency will not be double when comparing the kit as a whole. the waterblock is probably going to hold you back much more than the radiator will. even if the water is cold with a bigger rad, the cpu will be hot if the waterblock sucks. thats why past a certain point there is little benefit with a simple loop like these.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
see which kit or heatsink offers the best C/W per dollar, and i bet you will find the corair one to be near the top of the charts
I've been reading reviews on that from newegg: there's a ton of people who are reporting leaking and cracking plastic. I'd stay away from that honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
:rofl: newegg reviews. you dont pick your hardware based on those do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by nsegative
that swiftech kit is nothing but quality, I've seen it first hand.
When a bunch of people say they are having leaking issues you're supposed to ignore it? All you have is personal experience with maybe 1 or 2 people with a kit. The reviews are on a much broader scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Thread cleaned.
Please try to stay on topic.
The results from corsair
"Intel Core i7-965 processor overclocked to 3.46GHz with a vcore of 1.3V"
Corsair fan = 120mm, 1700 RPM
"high end cooler" = stock TRUE with 120mm, 1600RPM
Guessing after this point(well the ones @ 3.56 i think it was at the show) it starts to not be able to handle the load in the rad but still great performanceCode:Cooler Corsair Hydro Series H50 High-performance air cooler Standard CPU fan
Temperature
Idle (°C) 38.375 43 47.95
Temperature
50% load (°C) 42.5 49 57.55
Temperature
100% load (°C) 55.85 62.5 79.85
Certainly 'looks' promising for those of us who:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
A - Cant afford higher end WC
B - Have never dealt with WC before and are nervous about building loops etc
As I said earlier in this thread, the reviews will tell (most of) the story.....roll on :D
I don't think you are getting the point of this product. No it will not perform as well as a kit with a larger rad, no it is not expandable. But that's not the point of the kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
This kit can be fitted into the vast majority of computer cases with no modding, there is no construction (bar installing the fan and attaching the rad) and it is cheap for what it is. You won't be able to get the highest overclock on it, but you will be able to get a good overclock on it.
Comparing this to the swiftech kit you linked to, this has no construction, no addition of water or additives, no bleeding, no worrying about where to fit the double rad.
For many on here, these are not problems and this kit is not for you, this kit is for people who don't want to worry about connecting the kit together, who want all their system inside the case and want a top notch cooler. If it is the same as the Asetek kit then the cooler can run for 50 000 hours maintenance free which means significantly less hassle than a DIY kit.
This is a small, simple install cooler to install and forget about which is pretty effective. This should suit many people, but not all.
G
Not the best of performance(In watercooling) but it's cheap and easy to install, you summed it all up nicely there:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_G
This product should be much cheaper then what you recommended SNiiPE_DoGG and I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 revisions of it with 1x120mm rad and a 2x120mm rad.
Also, who gives a flying :banana::banana::banana::banana: about i7@4ghz temps?...I'll buy that for my HTPC, and lose an additional fan (since I'll mount it in the exhaust hole with a s-flex@800rpm) while retaining good temps for the phII 705/905. If this works, it will be a godsend for many rigs. Together with an accelero s1 v2 on the 4670, silverstone night jar, corsair s128, 2WD scorpio blue and a silent intake fan (probably a noiseblocker @700rpm) this will help to make a cool, powerful yet almost silent HTPC~24/7 platform...:)
The advantage here is the price/performance ratio, together with ease of use and customer support. We just have to wait and see whether it works as advertised...
To be honest Dante80 i wouldnt mind if it gave with an i7@4 decent temps.
I m waiting to see the reviews and act accordingly.
Me neither, of course. What I was trying to say is that corsair does not need to tame the beast in order to make this product sell. Considering the performance hinted, price and ease of use, there are many different scenarios and market segments that this solution could aim for...:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by sosna
This definitely looks interesting. One concern I have is whether the current being pushed through the 3 pin fan connector is well within the connector spec. I had one of the old original vapochills and one problem that it had was that asetek only used a single 4 pin molex connector for it's power...the 12V current was way too much for that single connector and led to early problems. I ended up soldering in 2 connectors in parallel to split the current a bit. I hope the current requirements of the pump are conservative relative to the max current handling spec of the 3 pin fan connector.
my delta fans run off very thin wires, even though it goes to a regular molex, i wouldnt be too worried, wires can handle alot of heat before you have any issues. i use to run a 226W peltier on a single molex and it worked just fineQuote:
Originally Posted by bmg
Its going to be interesting, cant wait for real tests.
Ive done the major watercooling setups and recently switched back to air. Real Triple fan multi rad setups do make a HUGE difference in maximum overclocking potential while keeping it under safe temps at all times (usually it removes temp from the equation entirely and your throttling yourself based on max speculated safe voltage). But it just takes the focus too far away from the electronic components and places it on the watercooling system for me, as it makes changing parts, especially motherboards/cases a huge hassle, usually to the point where your put off from doing it, I diddnt like that as swapping hardware frequently is half the fun for me.
This is a nice hybrid of the 2, a small self contained watercooling loop that has the same ease of install and lack of spider webbing your components to the case as a normal air cooler. Only question is if it will be better then top notch air coolers at high temps, not stock ones like 1.3v for a 965.
The reviews that will be the most interesting will be ones that overclock the CPU with this unit to the point where under stress it is reaching 80c, and then seeing what one of the top air coolers like TRUE/Megahalems/Noctua with a 2 1600-1900rpm fans config get temp wise under those same settings. Will it have the same ~10c benefit, will it be less/even, worse? Thats what I want to see.
Not many care about keeping it ~10c cooler at the settings their currently using, but if it will allow their Air cooled OC'd systems that are currently skirting just under the 80c mark on LINX load tests to be overclocked a bit higher.
For air cooled i7 systems, that will usually be the jump from ~3.8ghz to 4ghz if your concerned with it being 30+ pass LINX/IntelBurntest/linpack stable.
well... this doesn't bode well: http://twitter.com/KyleBennettQuote:
Originally Posted by Zaskar
whos he lol?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
He does watercooling reviews for hardOCPQuote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
ah ok thanks, doesnt seem much info coming from him though tbh just he cba... then doesnt look good in the case?Quote:
Originally Posted by nsegative
I'm still reserving judgment till I see numbers in a review. Comeon someone!
If it beats my lapped/washer modded TRUE with dual 140CFM delta's, I'm gonna be happy :D
doubt it will beat it if you have delta's on it :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
wonder what it would be like on that rad push/pull -dreams-
Well no one if forcing you to use the Corsair unit with its stock fan as apposed to those deltas :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
But wouldn't that defeat the purpose of quitness of the system and yet great perfm? That's what I'm looking out of this: quiter fans with lower rpm yet greater performance.
Asetek made a formal statement about the Corsair H50 product now. They confirmed the newly improved cold plate, and a new 120mm radiator... and Corsair is the first partner to deliver a mainstream product based on it.
It will trickle down to OEM customers (like HP, CyberPower, etc.) as the year goes on... so it's not a Corsair exclusive change.
http://www.asetek.com/content/view/472/216/
For reference, here is a quick "original" Asetek LCLC test result: i7 920 @ 4.2 GHz, LinX + Prime95, VCORE @ 1.44V With VDroop (1.4V at load)... 83-80-80-76, Room ambient 27 C. Not spectacular, obviously... but it does it's job.
I got my deltas on a controller, so they're not bad at all. Load on my 4.3 8500 is like 60 with near 1.5V core. They're the tri-blade ones btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
btw, ~80 @ 4.2 is not bad at all, especially since the H50 will be cooler...
Quote:
Originally Posted by grommet
thats amazing results!! just 1 120mm rad + their stock (crap) fan it gets to 83 on linx max with silly high room temp!!! this cooler runs on fairy dust!
It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
Or at least that's what I tell myself at night :shakes:
A friend of mine told me that size matters if you don't know how to use your tools properly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
Seriously thou, any reviews coming up soon, and official pricings? Shamelss BUMP oh yeah:cool:
After owning a pretty heavy watercooling setup I would feel like such a noob using this. On the other hand you cant fit an Iwaki and a triple rad with six fans in a p180 mini so if it beats the TRUE why not.
You know what I wanna do? Lol my friend was going on about making his own copper water block a while ago...
now imagine this
You buy like 4 of these for around $300-350
You make your own massive copper heatsink with the necessary holes, and you attach four of these to the block LOL
I will start a company and call it Beast Tech haha
/dreams
That would undoubtedly be far better in performance than spending half that amount on a DIY watercooling setup and surely be far easier to implement :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
ho ho ho [SARCASM!]Quote:
Originally Posted by Serra
It would be friggin impossible to do (almost), and the cooling wouldn't even be that great (probably), but it would haul ass...
You would have the 4 units mounted in the corsair case...1 in the back, and 3 on the top
If you don't like building stuff, or at least imagining possibilities, then you're not a real man :)
I like imagining possibilities but not ones that dont make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
?Que?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
So... hard to do, unnecessarily expensive, a clear underperformer, not tidy, and increased power draw. I think I can fairly say that not imagining this possibility ensures that I am a real, fully-functioning man (ie. not hindered by eating paint chips as a child).
Kyles results seem to be due to a bad product :). There is hope yet!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
heres hope to get a decent review etc out :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nsegative
oh come on i was 50% kidding! Who the hell could create a heatsink that can accomodate 4 of these units!? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Serra
Anyway, crazy is sometimes good, a lot of great ideas were considered crazy at one point, not that I'm saying I'm proposing something revolutionary, not even close, it's more brute force, but it would be sweet as hell!
Imagine...a heatsink being additionally cooled by these units...that would rock!! :up:
Have you ever even looked in the liquid cooling section?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
These corsair units are measly pieces of crap compared to a solid custom watercooled system. And yes you can have a custom water cooled system the makes the corsair its :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: for less than the price of 4 of them.
I'm too lazy to set up a wc rig, and plus i do check out the threads there sometimes, i saw one last night of this dude who had his water become a bunch of gunk. It's too much work imo. I like self contained kits like the H50.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
personal preference.
ps. i still wanna do the 4 H50 thing lol
your probably gonna hear the few bad ones cause the average ones are neiher spectacular enough to show off, or caused any problems. so you only see the two extremes. its really quite easy to do WCQuote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
i just replaced my video card, and the new one im running on the stock cooler, and old was part of the CPU loop.
so i pulled the card out of the PCIE slot, stuck a paper towel under it. then removed one side and let the water pour out a bit as i anchored it to the case at about the same height (lost probably 3-4 spoon fulls of water into the paper towel) and disconnected the other side and held onto it as i set aside the card, with its block full of water still. then simply connected the two ends. cleaned up by wiping down the area with paper towels and used the vacuum to get some dust any and other moisture in there.
pc booted up just fine, and thats about the dumbest way you could possible mess with a WC loop successfully. its really not as hard or scary as people make it sound. and i think a kit like this will really get people into using WC, even if they never thought about tying it before. but a true setup isnt always about the performance, but the work that goes into it.
The surface area of that rad is what, 1/3 of the TRUE?
Sorry, I just dont see how it can perform better with that handicap.
Even the stock intel cooler can handle a 3.46Ghz i7. Besides, who overlclocks 5-10% on an i7?
Lets se the H50 try to handle a 4-4.2Ghz i7.
I have tried lots of 120mm rads, and from my experience they cant cope with anything resembling high-end CPUs.
Readbeard: How does it look when running 4Ghz and 1.35v ? Your 965 should do that easy.
If you say its still 5-10c better than the TRUE @ 4+Ghz, I gonna take your word for it and order one.
yeah but you sound like you've done this before...remember that a lot of times, what's easy for you cause you're experienced is colon shattering for others cause they have no clue. I just don't like the idea of a leak happening and then coming back to my dead PC. The other thing I don't like is the idea of replacing the fluid because it gets contaminated and gunk starts forming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Make sure never ever to try anything new in your life, it might kill you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
while your at it, just dont ever try at all and see where that gets you :rolleyes:
Trying new things is over rated to be honest. I was being polite, but I'll be blunt for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
1. expensive water cooling rigs are more for e-peen than anything else since the extra 400 or so MHz (compared to average heat sinks) is not noticeable.
2. they are messy and require far too much work
3. they cost too much for what they offer
4. They can be almost matched by a sub $100 set up (modded TRUE + 2 good fans)
But they do increase your length and girth by 2 inches and 1.5 inches, respectively.
It's SCIENCE.
Source: http://wikipedia.org
PS. They're almost as useless as after market VGA coolers.
I've personally been looking into the cheap prebuilt AIO CPU wc systems for a while now for me and a friend of mine...why?
1) simple set-up- I wouldnt have to spend hours of downtime fiddling and tinkering with hose lengths, bleeding the system, etc etc etc
2) low cost- yes they're cheap and don't perform tons better than most air coolers, but, they do perform better than some (for my friend it'd be replacing a stock cooler on a Pent D 820)
3) low maintenance- need I really say more on that?
4) baby steps- One of these would be a first step, then eventually I might end up going full system WC...its just like sleeving in that sense- atm all I sleeve are fans/fp connections/sata cables...eventually I might end up doing the full monty of individual sleeving, but it's a matter of baby steps, getting comfortable with something, then broadening horizons...like food, lol
1. Cost / Performance Benefit Ratio:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
- Debatable. It is definitely a law of diminishing returns, but low-mid-range DIY jobs cost a lot less than high-end ones and provide results that aren't too far different. Amout of actual benefit will also be somewhat CPU dependant - I've had some where it made about 2MHz difference, and some where it seemed to remove heat as the OC limiter (ie. frequency could continue to increase without heat being at the same levels as it was under air, but could not OC any higher). Bit of a lottery really. This is XS though, and compared to other options (TEC/phase/LN2) the ratio water gives is pretty acceptable.
2. Mess / Work:
- Build 1 = X hours
- Build 2 = X/2 hours
- Build 3 = X/2 - X/5 hours
etc.
Not saying it doesn't take awhile for that first build for sure, but after you've done a few you can pretty much just slap it together.
3. Cost
Very person dependent. I still can't justify the cost of high-end water, but low-mid can be reasonable. If you wait and shop by sales or even go used though you can get it to where it's only marginally more expensive than high-end air prices.
I will add as well that even a WC setup from 3-4 years ago is better than a current TRUE, and air coolers rotate about once a year or so. There is argument for long-term cost savings.
4. Almost matched by air
Aside from generally lower temps all around where it is somewhat debatable, water can go into higher heat dumps than air can handle. Idle is probably almost matched, but load? Maybe low-end water (ie. prebuilt, off the shelf units), but I don't recall ever seeing a properly sized DIY job (even a cheap one) that really looked like it was terribly close. Again, this is especially true with higher heat dumps. Just before the TRUE came out I had the then-current top tower on a B3 Q6600 and was able to compare that to some middle-of-the-road water cooling and saw a whopping 20+ degree difference at OC. I say 20+ because the CPU was hitting a thermal shutdown on air (implying it could have gone over) where it never did with water.
I've heard this is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
... with all that said, am I currently running water? No. My new "desktop" isn't able to OC regardless, so there is no point in minding temperatures beyond replacing the stock sink with a third-party air cooler to reduce noise.
Baron_Davis, you might want to gain some first hand experience instead of just blatantly making things up. Just for the future.
People usually listen more intently when you know what you're talking about.
You are absolutely 100%. I'll never do water cooling, it take a special kind of person to water cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
ALot of the times you have to get an expensive case, you have to mod, carefully run tubes and alot of the times people give up their pci slots and have external radiators which IMO is not worth it all. Factor in price, maintenance and all that other stuff and water cooing isnt worth it. I get it's not practical but even if its for silence and lower temps its not worth it
also if your chip cant oc in the first place then wcing wont help
but I disagree with after market vga coolers. I got my cooler for $30 and I got much better temps and it's quieter.
I'm just bitter lol my 4870 died recently when I put on my AC Twin Turbo even though I was using the stock plate for RAM/VRMs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
I had a zalman cooler for my 7900GT back in the day, and that one died 2 or 3 times I forget...and now this. :shakes:
Honestly though, I think the stock coolers now cool the RAM and VRMs a lot better than any ram sinks can. ALTHOUGH, I saw that new Thermalright VRM cooler and it looks sick. That thing would def do the job.
really that sucks :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
I put in a scythe muashi on my 4870 and it works great. Lowered my temps alot and it's alot quieter. The stock 4870 cooler was just too noisy and the temps werent great at all. Sorry to hear about your cards, RIP
Really looking forward to this , even if it out performs my TRUE by 5c i ll be more than happy to buy it ... hope the reviews come out soon ..
If the performance is only 1c better i'll buy it:rofl: I need some free space around my socket <.<Quote:
Originally Posted by PhenomII2
Yea seriously. The true with 2x fans is blocking my sbridge/pwm area and it's hard as hell to put fans on those areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
This is not xtremeleypractical.org
Putting all this crap together is fun!
hope you have something on the v-regs!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
Me and im sure a lot of other people here cant afford "putting the crap together" so this is why im looking to see if this is good !! as its cheap quiet and cheerful :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcape
I don't find it that expensive if you find used parts. I can find used parts in canada, so I am sure you can find alot of used parts in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
I don't know how this is going to perform that well on a i7. Most people, who own water(and know what they are talking about) wouldn't dare put a single radiator in a custom loop setup on a i7. Even a top radiator wouldn't be that great if it was a single 120mm type.
This radiator is a really thing one which means less cooling capacity.
Sure people want cheap water, but like everyone else here, I think a healthy dose of skepticism is needed.
I don't understand why this topic has so many posts. Is it because its corsair, which everyone seems to love alot more these days.
Every single prepackaged all in one kits has never been really better than air. The only one I can think of is the cool-it elite which uses a tec and when applying heavy overclocks, it does worse than air.
Thats a 3-400 hundred dollar solution. Unless corsair did some magic, I don't know how they are going to beat a true by 15C. As the thermodynamics don't look possible considering the size of the radiator(and even more so because they are using a silent fan). Or with the original test setup, something was wrong with the true
Its worth it for alot of people, particularly the noise crowd. People are only kidding themselves if they think a true can match a water setup for noise to performance ratio. The greater the load, the greater the delta, for the TRUE to remain competitive, they have to kick up the fans a notch or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
The worst offender of this is damn videocards coolers. Stock fans are almost always loud on the highend and they have to take up two slots on the higher end cards(in some extreme cases 3). Pretty much all water cooling videocard blocks take up 1 slot and the tubes are raised enough, so cards underneath fan fit in. What this means is water blocks actually open up expandibility.
To baron davis
Put a 4890 at 100% fan and compare it to a water cooled videocard(which beats it in performance) and tell me water is only for epenis. Hell even stocks settings are loud and the temps of the card are close to 100C which makes it a great oven oven for the room.
If anything cheap water cooling is purely for e penis(unless corsair pulls a miracle) because most of the time, its performance is worse than air and yet it costs more. Yet people buy it so they can say they have water cooling in their system.
For the nth time, temperature does not have the same meaning as heat.
Just because you water cool your graphics card and bring the temperature down, that doesn't change the fact that the same amount of heat is being dumped into your room.
No need to water cool a video card, that's pretty much the biggest waste of money ever and I'll tell you why. After market coolers do the job fine if you wanna replace stock, and I highly doubt you're gonna get that much more of an overclock, if at all, unless you're volt modding your card, which I've done before, and it's not worth it imo. My Sapphire 4890 can go to 1GHz+ on the core, so unless your water cooled equivalent can do a lot more than that, then I don't see the point in paying 100 bucks for a nice water block. Especially with good heat sink VGA coolers like the Musashi, Twin Turbo, HR-03, and the T-RAD2. Oh, and they're near silent.
You "power users" can love custom WC all you want, I just don't think it's worth it, and it never will be because even if the prices magically dropped, it would still be too much of a hassle, and the maintenance is not worth it for the performance (or the noise).
my 2900xt was able to hit 940mhz core, at 1.35v and at 50C with my radiator fans a 7v and dead silent. water cooling is not just about higher OC or lower temps, its also lower noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
it is very possible to get a great watercooling rig for a low cost if your willing to do some work, and for some of us modding is the best part. my black duel heatercores look pretty sick, and cost me only 20$ a piece, and will always be strong enough to handle any configuration i throw at it. my WC setup also forced me to build a custom acrylic case from scratch. spend about 100$ on the case, but its the best case i have ever owned that fits my needs exactly, and its 100% mine. weeks of work = great self respect.
customizing a computer is not epeen, its a hobby, and a work of art for some, so please stop bashing it.
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Originally Posted by Manicdan
+1, nice post, some really great examples in there. :up:
Don't insult true art by comparing it to pc modding. Beautiful art makes you feel something deep inside. A PC is just a PC, and always will be. Yeah, some are nicer than others, but that's life.
:stop:... before you make me really go off on you :cussing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
wow, your telling me that spending months designing a custom case that was built 100% by me starting with a 6x3ft sheet of acrylic, and random parts ordered by mcmaster, you really have no idea how to define art.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
heres the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art, its 20 pages just about how art is defined. its not only about a painting thats suppose to make you cry, its giving emotion to any non living object.
Wall-E Case ModQuote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
Now look at me with a straight face and tell me that's not art.
but he didn't feel anything, it's just a wittle wobot!
that's not art...Quote:
Originally Posted by Confused_User