Don't you just hate it when new tech is just around the corner, but still far? ;)
And hmm, right.. warp v3 speeds are similar to Vertex, so prolly similar pricing.
Don't you just hate it when new tech is just around the corner, but still far? ;)
And hmm, right.. warp v3 speeds are similar to Vertex, so prolly similar pricing.
WHAT?!?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
That better not be true for the U.S. I can't wait that long. That is like eternity :wth:
At least someone answer this question. Is the delay because of manufacturing????? Or is it because of old stock that needs to go first??? HMMM?
OCZ has advised against this...results aren't so good.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
The drive becomes misaligned. If it was never properly aligned to begin with using TI won't make any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by FZ1
What the freak is up with that crap?! Oh this blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoiler
WaveQuote:
Originally Posted by angoholic
And what would be the reason for that? :rolleyes:Quote:
OCZ has advised against this...results aren't so good.
I cloned severel OSes on several SSD and HDD arrays the last week while testing some SSDs.. guess what, results were perfectly identical with "normal" and cloned install, and why wouldn't they be :confused:
News from Tony OCZ :
Just asked when you guys are going to be able to buy either Vertex or Apex...answer i got back is from next week.
Vertex has had a slight delay for a new firmware update...
Apex is inbound.
As i get more you will get the news real time
source : http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=48956
Hehe just read it from the same source :up:
Woot! Next week. I think I can wait that long...
What's crazy is OCZ is releasing the Vertex 2. 500mbs+ read. Just nuts. SATAII cannot handle that.
I know I'm buying into a seriously depreciating technology right now, but I cannot wait any longer...
Vertex 2 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Source ?
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...hp?t=49023:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Justifire
:shocked: Holy S**t!! I would be pleased and satisfied with the v1 already but if you see that and think that v2 will be released at CeBit...grrr :D
if u wait, its always something else coming u can wait 4 :)
I'd like to see some tests on the Vertex 1... and news about sata3 mainboards :D, although, there is no problem to raid 2 or 3 of the vertex1 units to get to ~600MB/s performance which is the limit for intel ichr chipset.
I've cloned my 200gb 7200rpm notebook HDD onto my new 128gb G.Skill SSD about 6 times now (had some driver conflicts getting OSx86 to run on my notebook dual booting) and i have not had a single issue with data corruption using Acronis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
If OCZ is having corruption issues when doing disc images, I'm going to stay away from their drives until they sort out the issues.
Oh... and I never experienced a single stutter, hesitation, etc with this G.Skill 128gb SSD. I don't want to jump to conclusions... but I will anyways.
It sounds like they're having quality issues in their attempt to corner the market with inexpensive (cheap), fast, and high benchmarking drives. I've been known to be wrong though.
Has nothing to do with corruption. We are talking about drive alignment. As you most likely never aligned the drive to begin with using TI will show no noticeable difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
I know all well how to align the partition to be written to. Most people typically align full partitioned SSD's at 32k with a default allocation of 4096k. And of course the partition offsets vary according to stripe size if you're running RAID.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
I didn't just get my first PC a few weeks ago. More like 25 years ago. :toast: beers on me. :toast:
Gimme an ETA please :)
I got dibs!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RealTelstar
2 Februari in stock, IF they don't get delay.
Man, if i count all the page refreshes i did between Christmas and new years day on Vertex availabilty :wierd:
Last time for me I trust OCZ announcements !
Apex was announced 2 weeks after Vertex, and ships 2 weeks before Vertex :shrug:
I'm really excited about the Vertex 2 specs.
Serial ATA III
550MB/s read
480MB/s write
internalized quad raid 0
I hope is true, I so need to replace my scsi setup with SSDs :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony @OCZ
I'm excited too, but I'm sick of waiting to get into SSD. The technology is moving so fast, you could just wait and wait and wait. Shoot SATA3 will mean new mobo with ICH11R for me anyway and that's way Q4 '09. Sick of waiting. I'll pick up the Vertex and be happy for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitte
I'm just playing around with a plain $129 G.SKILL 64GB drive. Thats enough to keep me busy for 6 months. I mean I already waited about 12 months for SSD to give it time to mature and the prices to drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Interesting its more than triple the speed of the Vertex 1. LMAO if they increase it just 50% more your already saturating the SATA III bus.
6Gb/sec = 750 MB/sec raid a pair of Vertex you are there but why complain just a year or two ago most people were happy to hit 150 MB/sec much less 5 times that
whats next PCIexpress-16 with fiber to the controller **drool**
fastest loading :banana::banana::banana::banana: ,,, I mean gaming
6Gb/sec = 600 MB/sec because of 8/10 encoding. And 4 Vertexes give 560 IIRC.
No, Vertex (1) should give 150/200 each.Quote:
Originally Posted by m^2
6000/8=750Quote:
Originally Posted by m^2
Yes its the vertex2 listed as 480/550.Quote:
Originally Posted by RealTelstar
Raw bandwidth is 750 MB/s, but because of error detection included in the stream, there's only 600 for data.
And remember the OCZ Vertex 2 report? It turned out to be 4 Vertexes in RAID 0 attached to a controller with cache off. And did 5xx MB/s.
Has anyone spotted them for sale yet?
Won't be available to resellers until Jan 31st, minimum - that's direct from OCZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by headala
Source ?Quote:
Originally Posted by m^2
Everywhere I've seen it mentioned says the same thing but techincally anything over 25MB/s is in RAID. The intel is running off 10 25MB/s channels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justifire
Thanks for the link ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by m^2
Now I know what kind of performance i can expect from my upcoming 4 x vertex raid 0 :D
True, I don't know why controllers don't go over this number of channels (maybe pricing, maybe some other limitation).
However, with channels I believe we are talking MUCH lower granularity than 4KB which is the minimal stripe size on RAID controllers. In other words, the channels would RAID internally at <4KB, and the RAID chip would RAID the channel chips at >4KB.
Exactly what size OCZ uses, I don't know, they hopefully did some testing for the best one, which might even be 4KB.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitte
Any updates?
Aren't these the same drives as the gskill titan. 200/160
Vertex? No. Probably Titan=Apex.
They have cache inside them, and thus should remove the need for external RAID controllers with cache, If you wanna be sure to avoid stutter issues...
The promise is that this is gonna be the SSD to get. At least until newer controllers chips come later this year and send this stutter issue to past.
I'm waiting to get dual 30GBs....look for them Monday probably....hopefully! ;)
the controllers is needed, jmicron truly dropped the ball on theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
cache helps but a good controller is what we need.
I have 4 30gb pre-ordered from Amazon.com. I am waiting on them to be released too. Hopefull ymonday they will be released.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orangeblast
Multichannel flash controllers have nothing to do with RAID. "Internal RAID" means there's a RAID controller which divides I/O to/from 2 or more flash controllers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitte
Cache is the problem with JMF602 as it has only 16kB of it. External SDRAM cache would certainly fix the abysmal IOPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
I stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
I just wanna see it in stock.
I just wanna SEE it!
:D
yea...I'm waiting to purchase. Its tough waiting this out....I'm sure it will be worth it. I can't finish my system until it 2 30GBs in RAID0 for my OS.
They will ship soon...
Now there goes the month Februari...:confused2
source: http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...&postcount=142
The apex seem to be available soon. I'm not completely satisfied with their performance, so I'm waiting for the Vertex. BTW Vertex should be available in 30GB versions, while the Apex arent.
Howver, in the same thread Tony (OCZ Rep) said that they are still testing firmware V6 on on the SSD's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justifire
Man you guys jump to conclusions...LOL
I post and its on 20 forums in 20 mins ;)
they are available soon
Yep, that's the hype you guys from OCZ created :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Little stock between christmas and new year, more in first week of Januari :yepp:
OCZ knows how to make attention :clap:
You are killing us Tony. I have my four drives pre-ordered and I have hit F5 so many time I think I broke my keyboard. The only think left in my 6 month long build are the SSD'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Tony, you are (inadvertently?) a MASTER at marketing! :up:
One question: will the Vertex drives need to be set up as in the tutorials on your forums re: steadystate and partitioning? Or does the cache solve the problems those threads address?
Not sure why you're pleased about stock issues and product recalls for firmware fixes. Usually that's an annoying thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justifire
Incidentally, I have a friend who had pre-ordered 4 Vertex's who was meant to get them in December... then January. Yesterday he finally canceled his order and will be looking elsewhere for someone who can fill his requirements. I'm not saying this is OCZ's fault per-se (they don't make the things and I'm not sure what Samsung tells them about availability) but... maybe dangling products for so long isn't always the best method.
I just love his lawyerish sentence: "They are available soon"
Where ever should I put that comma?
:D:D
LOL
Apex is my bet, that's what I'm getting...........Quote:
Originally Posted by RealTelstar
Apex SSDs are now available at Newegg!
Sizes they list are 60GB, 120GB and 250GB.
I'm still waiting for Vertex reviews to see how they stack up against each other.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Like Feb 18? Just a hunch:up:
The Apex may be available...but shop around. They are exactly the same as the G.Skill Titan drives...made by the same company.
Check out the reviews which show them opened up. Right down to the revision numbers
(Apex review http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=661, G.Skill review http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/sto...b-ssd-review/1
On newegg Apex = $379 (120g), $829 (256G)
G.Skill Titan = $349 (120g), $494 (256G)
I wonder if, this is going to be exactly the same as with the Vertex
@tomb18 I also read both those reviews and yeah they both look the same. I was hopping that OCZ would adjust their prices to match the G.skill Titan but I guess not. That OCZ Apex 256 for 829 is just insane.
Also anyone know anything about FileMate SSD's? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820161316 220/150 not bad price even better. But wonder if they are the same as the Titans with dual Jmicron controls? Anyone know?
I just saw those filemate drives to! They look like the same specs as the Apex/Titan drives but a whole lot cheaper!
Even more interesting...The filemate has a 256g drive for $550 on newegg, and they advertise 220mb/s read AND write.
Any reviews?
These drives are so new, there's no reviews on them yet.
It's surely a mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomb18
The brand comes from Winitec and you can download a specs. sheet. Not really interesting, but writes are 150 MB/s for all 2.5" models.
It looks to be a brand new model, I wonder whether they created it themselves.
it's really odd how these vertexes will be launched soon, yet there's no early review samples of them yet.
not really, I found Apex in stock before I read a review on them, so far only 1 review is out for the Apex that I know of.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
yeah they both look the same, looks like OCZ just slap on their logo,Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazystang01
but I hope that OCZ has their own special firmware that the others do not have.
Looking at preorder prices the vertex will be almost the same price as the vertex and the 60GB apex will be slower than the 120 / 250GB apex according to the specs listed on the ocz site, so 2x 30GB Vertex in raid seems the best option.Quote:
Originally Posted by RealTelstar
I'm just guessing here, but if the 120/250 drives are faster because of the memory type/density, then the case will probably be the same for the vertex..correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji
i.e. 120GB vertex >faster> 60GB vertex.
I hope it's not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoiler
BTW the apex have higher read speed according to the specs but I prefer to invest to the cache to be completely sure of no stuttering.
they are in production with updating firmware on the go.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
so, even if some samples are out, there havent been time to prduce review, this can be either of, these drives simply smack competition and they dont want anyone to know and get a huge positive reaction when they are out.
Or they just slow in its implemention to get them out ;)
I find the lack of review disturbing also.
However they are out soonish will soon find out.
Going by the spec's on the ocz website:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoiler
60GB Apex: Read 230MB/s, Write 110MB/s
120GB Apex: Read 230MB/s, Write 160MB/s
250GB Apex: Read 230MB/s, Write 160MB/s
as opposed to all vertex models which have identical spec's of 200MB/s Read and 160MB/s Write
That is indeed interesting, but I think we all know not to trust "RATED" speeds don't we? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji
Of course, but I do believe them enough to think the 60GB apex will be slower than the other apex drives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoiler
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomb18
Maybe, but $380 worth ?????Quote:
Originally Posted by dctokyo
The higher density NAND on the Apex, is actually faster, thus, the 120 and 250 achieve better speed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji
So basically it comes down to apex being more suited to hardware controllers while vertex, with its onboard cache, does better with software ones like ICH9 or 10 for instance?Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
That's the theory..... we'll find out soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peakr
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peakr
You just stated the $10 question, we should know once it comes out.
If vertex plays nice with the ICH10R, then OCZ will have my money
Was thinking of the 120G only, the other one is not worth $380 more, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomb18
im stuck between 1 intel E or 2 of these
if they do really well ill go with 2 ocz vertex's
I don't think the Intel E has anything over the M for most people...
Now IF, and that's still an IF (but not a big IF), these (Vertex) perform on par with the X25-M, they would be worth getting 2 instead of one X25-M, IMO. Wuth recent Intel price drops in mind I think they are a tad bit slower, but still acceptable.
Yep, very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
You first :)
Intresting wonder if it can beat the velociraptor???
I guess your Velociraptor wil look like a Brontosaurus :DQuote:
Originally Posted by swale
The velociraptor has only seek times going for it and SSDs are king of seek times.Quote:
Originally Posted by swale
ssd vs vraptor
seektime 70x faster.
readtimes, faster by 2x.
only limitation is random writes.
overcomed by cache and controller interface.
Its the last round for velociraptor...
Not when the new WD 20,000 model HD comes out... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
Yeah, right. Never gonna happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
id love to see a microraptor ssd from wd just to keep the good old name going
hell put i window in it so we can see...um i dont know what there is to see but if it has intels specs then it would be cool
:google: it yourself... It is already in the works but WD is having problems trying to keep the drives quiet.. They scream to loud at the moment..:weapon:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
LINKS
bit-tech.net
engadget
cnet
mechanical drives are dead, the market going down, limited to storage drives, bigger the better.
as systemdisks, they are running out of time.
It be as the old LP platters, old tape drives, floppys.
I think what some company needs to do (be it OCZ or a WD Raptor SSD) is finally make a "desktop grade" SSD in a 3.5" chassis that fits into regular desktop computers. And instead of having a type of 2-drive RAID0 internally, set it up as a 4-drive RAID0 (which you *could* do since you have more space in the 3.5" chassis) and have it use 2 SATA connections to run instead of 1. That way you would be able to get somewhere around 450MBps read speeds, super fast access times, and have a lot of storage space(for a SSD anyway). Some might complain about it taking up 2 ports, but this wouldn't be a drive for regular users anyway, it is for special people who pay lots of money for high performance, who cares if you have to use 2 ports if it gives some pretty insane performance numbers?
And don't tell me you cant fit another connection on the back of the drive, they fit a power and data connection on a 2.5" chassis, you can easily fit another data connection in a whole extra inch.
OCZ already has a working prototype for SATA 3 with even better speed specs. (2xVertex)
So when is the vertex going to be released? I'm really itching for a SSD. Would the Vertex be good for an PII system running on a ASUS M4A79 Deluxe? I plan on getting either 2 30gb's or 2 60gb's to run in raid.