My dead D9GMH stick has been in freezer for about 70 hours now.
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My dead D9GMH stick has been in freezer for about 70 hours now.
No boot :(
If a DDR2 is fatally broken: DEAD/Trash...
But some time that sticks become kinda electrostatic havoc :confused:
After a while, they properly work again. That's my opinion.
I tried again with the other stick, but it doesn't work, so only one of the sticks recovered.
Maybe a few freeze-thaw cycles are required. Just keep freezing it and letting it come back to room temp, test it, and if still dead, freeze it again. You might get lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by PPInDaHouse
This thread reminds me of people who put their BH5 in microwave ovens back in the day believing it'd improve overclocking :rofl:
I've got a box of dead ram. This will be interesting. I won't get to start freezing until tomorrow evening.
1 stick of dead Team Xtreme D9GKX 512mb , stuck in the freezer for 3 days and boot it again just fine :D , i have done this before with my Ballistics and could recover 1 out 2 sticks on that dead kit a while back. So definitevely this work 50/50 chance on my case.
Weird Stuff indeed but true , it works.
I think this is really how your sticks are broken.
Mine were oc'd with 2.2volts when they died (well started giving errors even in 2.0v and stock clocks/lantencys) and i recovered them bowth with putting em to Dice for some time, and they can do again allmost good as before.
Dont expect to recover your memory if you have used 2.5volts in DDR3 memory.
Shoving my GMH kit back in the freezer now, it shall live there until somepoint sunday :D
OCZ´s 1066 in the freezer for 3 hours and they are back from the dead!!!
I think it would help if the people managing to revive their dead D9s could say what temp their freezer is, there might be a particular "sweet" area.
Revived an old stick by attaching it to a Vapochill for two hours:ROTF:
Sorry for the poor picture
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OK 3 sets tried out so far. one set. No joy. OCZ PC6400 4-4-4-15 2gig set. Plat. Rev. 2Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
also OCZ PC8500 5-5-5-15 Crossfire Edition 2 gig set. I don't think is working.
BUT.... Team Xtreem PC6400 3-3-3-8 both 1Gig sticks. Back from the dead nicely at 900Mhz. :shocked: These were definitely dead. Died in this very same machine before.
That's why I loooooooove this forum! :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
Might be because neither of the OCZ kits were D9, unless the 8500 kit was 1 yr+ old.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
About a month ago, I benched a S478 3GHz Prescott with old mighty Mushkin Level 2 bh5 being harassed @ ~3.6V ... Then I booted my other system with P5K Deluxe and a borrowed E8400 ... I used a Kingston PC2-8500 Hyper-X kit, that according to his last user, was equipped with GKXs ... Unfortunately I was all warmed-up from old good bh5 Mushkins at high voltage, so the max I fed them was 2.6V (fully moded mobo) ... DEAD :D I'll try that method and get back to you with an answer ;)
I got 2 kits in the freezer on day number 2 - getting ready to pull them out - 1 fatbody kit and 1 crucial anniversary series *fingers crossed*
My D9 kit is living in the freezer still, the sticks are beginning to grow frosticles :p:
Actually they are both, I reckon, just more than 1 year IIRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
lol i'll try this to my HZ's to see if they gain more ocability :D
dont have any dead stick at the moment, but a week ago i gave up trying the one stick of my mushkin XP2 :( only if i had read this earlier :(
Is that a picture of a rat :confused:
Just forgot my stick inside the fridge for more than 1 week :D
Let's see if it works or not :D
just put some corsair pc8500 in the freezer...if it works i'll be astounded.... it shouldnt work so it will...lol
lol yes and it's not mine :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ket
I didnt see it suggested but it would be nice if before you throw it in the freezer, test it again to make sure its dead. If it is degraded and still posts, note operating volts and stability then freeze and compare.
at least stick it in and warm it up first
Any particular reason why a rat? :p: I'm hoping theres a story behind it, its one of the more unusual choices for an avatar and unusual normally means theres a story :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vatos_locos
sorry about the OT.
But unless the chips are your baby super overclocking chips, why not just RMA them since most of them have lifetime warrenty?
Because the replacement won't be D9s ;)
:down: And there is no logical explanation - at least for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
I killed mine with 3,2v - I'll try that "tweak".
The seriously high clocking, tight timing RAM used "Micron D9" ICs, normally D9GMH or D9GKX. Those insane little ICs haven't been made for well over a year now, so your replacements will probably be PSC or similar - not all that marvellous for benching.
PC2-8800 Gold XTC
5.0-6-6-18 @ 2.2 ~ 2.4V
Micron D9GMH (B6-3) (only if produced before 2008)
Just bought another set - no D9's any more :( (And sold it even faster)
Now you understand the logic :up:
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
then i guess im lucky cuz i have all these to pick from
:rofl:
All but the Patriots i believe are D9's. I understand what you guys are saying, i keep 3 benching pairs ready. :rolleyes:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0892.jpg
:wasntme:
Still id think a working stick is better then a non working stick no? :p:
I dont know about you guys, but usually i do throw my kit on freezer after heavy bench session :S just after i shut down pc, ill just throw them there, no logic here, maybe trying to keep them alive little longer. doing this since BH-5 days
Wee it worked with my good old Corsair bh5
no logic in it you were verry lucky you did not have the reverse affectQuote:
Originally Posted by KeZzZu
i only throw in any electronic part it when they dont work or stop workin not just ram
ram likes cold when runnin its the connections that need the cold when broken
im curious how long these revived sticks will work though...
would be annoying if they need to be thrown into the freezer every other week :lol:
Mine's still happily shunting away :)
First attempt - no luck. I put them back to freezer and will forget their existance for some time. Mayby I'll have more luck next time.
My Team D9GMH dies on a fairly regular basis (i.e. when ever I stress them at over 2.35v for a protracted period of time and then encounter and error or shut off the system). To all tests, one or both DIMMs appear dead. No system will post with the RAM, and clearing CMOS, pulling the battery...nothing.
I wrap them in aluminum foil and put them in the oven at just under 400F for 20 minutes...it's resurrected them three times in the last 12 months.
I figure the rapid cooling they go through (from about 70C to 25-30C) when an a stress test locks up, or is canceled, might be breaking one or more of the solder balls holding the ICs to the PCB and that the heating in the oven is just enough to reflow the solder and get them working again. Or the solder connections themselves could be more prone to electromigration than the ICs, and partially reflowing the solder removes the traces of electromigration damage.
This freezer idea is interesting, though I cannot for the life of me come up for a plausible reason why it should work.
I was about to ask if you're "cooking" mad then I remembered that this is XtremeSystems, not XtremelyAverageSystems
400F is 204*C, that's quite hot, although the foil would somewhat shield it. Good to hear it has worked for you though.
The reason I used foil was to hold everything firmly in place, so when and if the solder did become weak, components didn't just start falling off the dimms. I also did not want the direct radiation from the heating element heating the dimms, or the dimm itself would have gotten a lot hotter than 400F before the air in the oven was that temp.
400F/204C is not any warmer than what they were exposed to during manufacture, and since the dimms were not powered on there was little risk to the ICs. Still, I would obviously not store them long term at such a temp.
They do smell like burnt plastic now, as the thermal pad team uses is some rubberised gapfiller that apparently has a lower melting/ignition point than any other part of the ram.
I put them in the freezer and forgot their existence ... turns out, that they are GKXs so Vatos_locos, no RMA for me ;) Anyway, I don't know what their exact problem was 'cause the only thing I did, was suddenly feeding them with 2.6V ... Normally they shouldn't die, even if GKXs do get really hot ... Well, in conclusion, they are now working like a charm :) :woot: ... I have them here, on the P5K Deluxe with an E6600, running memtest without the faintest problem :yepp: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by George_o/c
Thanks Oj101 for the tip :up: These Hyper-Xes are not the greatest modules I have, but still worth being alive :) I was planning on using them for 3D benching, 'cause I'm afraid of murdering my "killer" ballistix :D
i just threw my pair of crucials 667 at 3-3-3-8 2.2, they did 640 with something between 2.32-2.38(can`t remember).
they we`re getting me errors at 535 with 5-5-5-15 at 2.36, so i had no other choice :))
we`ll see in a day or so
Woohoo my Balistix are back :D
Gona try if this works on GFX's too.
i pulled out my fatbody kit and forgot about testing them since i've been putting my patriot power chips through the ringer - any one else try this trick on an old fat body d9 kit???
It works as well:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by ieatrawbacos
Because elephants break the furniture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
something like this :D
2 days ago i rmaed my team D9gmh, because the degraded(couldn't do 4cl) and took some a-data :banana::banana::banana::banana:..... :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
I am sure i could get them back to where they were...shame:shakes::shakes:
I think it worked on my 8800GT SSC, it can do 2000MHz on the ram again :D Or at least i have played a bit of L4D and FC2 without any problems.
The ram on it degraded or :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed op so taht they could max run 1870Mhz, 12H in the freezer and it looks like it MIGHT fix it, but im not sure yey, gona game some Crysis i run a 3Dmark to test.
I have 3 broken WD drives hare (ironically they died because of cold...)
I'll try to put them in the freezer for like 21h, maybe I can cure them;)
2 weeks later and my sticks are still working. :)
yes...lets hope most is bench-mem....then it wouldnt realy matter :DQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
My kingston kit is still working fine, as far as both memtest + benching is concerned :yepp: Can't believe it, honestly :D
I thought my stick had died, then I found sellotape on two of the pins :rolleyes:
My D9s are still in the freezer :D they will probably live there for some time as I cant be bothered with removing my XTC mem cooler to test :p:
Woooohoooo! Worked with two sticks I tried. Put them into the freezer yesterday for 24h. Took the out 2h ago and let them sit at room temp (21°C)... To be sure they are fart-dry I was using a hairdryer afterwards.
Now both sticks - 1 512MB Mushy XP4000 UTT and 1 512MB OCZ VX4000GE UTT now running memtest win or 32m SuperPi.
The Mushy sometimes did not boot up (boards been beeping), and then was working like hell again after letting it sit a while in a box. The VX was suddely dead a few weeks ago. Dunno why, but I refused booting in any board (nf3 or nf4) @any voltage/clocks. Now it's back and strong like before it seems. :up:
I'll just have an eye on them though... but I am really impressed! Thanks a lot. :D
One of my old D9GMH Mushkin sticks (which was in the retirement home ie. backup rig) started throwing up errors yesterday.
I'm going to try this!
1 Cellshock pc6400 stick died last week, tested on 3 mobos but no boot, 24h in the cold and its working again :up:
WooHAA! One of my dead D9 sticks is alive again :D it used to refuse to boot with anything less than 2.2v, now its booting 1.8v @ 800MHz 4-4-4-12 :up: other stick needs a little more freezing.
how long did you put it on a freezer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
thanks :)
They lived in the freezer for about 2 weeks @ -25c :p: I really abused this kit though, 2.55v 1180MHz 4-4-4-12, no active cooling :D If this kit can be fully revived I'll take much better care of them.
thanks bro! :)
i will do the same thing if my mems voltage didn't back to normal :D
Bump. Hows everybodys sticks after all the freezing? Any random deaths?
Didn't work for a DOA OCZ FlexXLC 9200 D9GMH stick.
didn't work for my stick either. Mushkin XP 8500 5-5-4-12. I totally forgot about it. Stick was in freezer for over a week and still has lots of errors.
well i didn't expect anything else but it was worth a try.
Try wrapping it in tinfoil and putting it in the oven at 200'c for 20 minutes, it's worked for me :up:
lol people are trying to save sticks, not mass-murder Oj :p:
they bake them @ higher temps so no danger
do you think this would work for my new kit of mushkin 2x1 pc8000 redlines that arrived with one stick that wont boot. or is this stick just no good. since it never worked?
Ket, someone mentioned it a few pages back. Freezing didn't work on one of my dead sticks so I put it in a hot place with no fire escape and it works again :D
I really can't see how flash-frying a mem stick would work.. all it does is cause the solder to melt to an extent, maybe entirely depending on if the solder is crap, silver based etc. In doing that solder could potentially just "splodge" all over the ball solder points underneath the ICs.
can you show us some pics how you did that? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
thanks! ;)
Sorry if this has already been asked, but does this work for non D9 IC's. I put 1 of my dead DDR1 value sticks in.
Just read the thread, it already worked for several non-d9-sticks.^^ :p: (my dead Winbond UTT stick was just revived this way)
I have no idea why or how it works but if freezing doesn't work what do you have to lose? :D
I'll post pics next time I have a camera, but there's really nothing to it. Cut a piece of tinfoil large enough to envelope the RAM and wrap it tightly :up:
It works for probably every ram.. tested on PCS, ProMOS, Elpida. And nothing to loose, if you dont forget to dry it before use. :) Im just curious how it works.. some kind of silicone with thermal memory?
Confirmation for Hynix too :up:
Sorry but I have better things to do instead of reading 8 pages on a thread, and thanks. I'll see if it worked for in like 8hrs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAE
It would of helped just to read the last page to get it.... sorry for wasting your time.
I remembered my ram in the freezer.
Before:
I'd put it in and the mobo would just beep and not boot.
Now:
I put it in and it post and loads Windows, but it stops of the welcome screen but i can still move the mouse.
I now its not 100% fixed, but it at least posts now. BTW this was a DDR1 Corsair Value stick and I have no idea how it died.
Shove it in the freezer for a few days, I bet it'll work then :up:
Surface tension seems to keep things together, they don't use that much solder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Find this thread while i was hoping to do something for my crucial GMH dead because of motherboard.
Sticks are on the cold
results after 24h :D
Mine are still going... 2 months later. :)
My Mushkins are doing fine in my dad's A64 now. Running at 400 and low volts though, but that's one of the things they could not do anymore before our freezing action. :D
I just removed my GKX kit from the freezer after being in there like 4 hours @ -25c. Getting some weird issues I'm trying to work through atm so figured some cold cant hurt :D :up:
Mine are still A1 :up:
Not memory, but gonna try freezing my dead mobo, see if this trick will work with other hardware.
Report back, its interesting. Im thinking about freezing CPU, wonder if that can help.. but its silicon still (AMD).Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddHawk
Negative, 23 hours in the freezer and nada. Still won't POST. :(
It did fix the power-up error though, where the mobo would immediatly start up soon as AC power was applied to the PSU. Now the standby power led comes on but the system remains dark until the power switch is hit. :)
Guess you can call it mixed results at best. :shrug:
Well I put my D9 stick in the freezer. But forgot it in. So it's been a week. Will try later if it helped :D
Will try this method with my PC28500 Mushkin/Micron D9GMH's then report back :shocked:
I might give this a try as one stick of my G.Skill F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ recently died w/o overvolting (Gave them 2.1V max.), and I've never tried to push them to their limits, last time I had them running they did 550 5-5-5-15 @ 1.8V only, and all of a sudden my system wouldn't boot anymore:mad:
those pats are D9 if they are the same kit i have CL5 DDR800 extreme? mine are a BU rig @1.9v 1066 4-4-4-12 on some G31 ECS POSQuote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
now its to bad that freezer can't fix this
http://img.techpowerup.org/081203/1203080019.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/081203/1203080020.jpg
they were some nice ProMOS 1066 4-4-4-12 2.36v
Maybe we should put you in the freezer :ROTF: