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CellShock PC2-9200 CL5 KIT is the best 2x1GB memory on the planet.
I'm really getting crazy... today I spent 4 hrs getting my comp to boot with both Team Xtreem ram sticks and then I switch to ram slot 2 and 4 and it boots on the first try? Why is all this happening to me ffs. The weird part is once I get it to boot it works all good but booting is really difficult. I did need 2.25v tho or it wouldn't boot. If I use 2.225v it won't boot, and if I use 2.25v it will boot and superpi, memtest etc doesn't report any problems... what's up with that? I mean if the RAM stick is bad then why wouldn't any stability tests show any problems? I somehow don't think it's the ram slots that are damaged either as it works if I put the ram stick in that doesn't have any problems booting and is stable etc and with the Cellshock kit it boots always at first try if I use slot 1 and 3, then again that kit has screwed up on me too after a week or two or so usage, and I do see a reason to try put them in slot 2 and 4 for testing's sake but then again after 4hrs of trying to get the comp boot with 2 ram sticks, I don't feel like taking the risk and turning it off again.
I won't shut down this comp EVER again, dunno if it will boot again or not. :rofl:
I've already applied RMA for the Cellshock PC2-8000CL5 kit I bought and as a replacement I suggested Team Xtreem PC2-6400 4-4-4-10 with D9GMH chips... I'm done with D9GKX... If also the new kit will fail I'll prolly move on to powerchip or something and leave the buggy but o/c friendly micron sticks alone.
Whatever it's bugged ram sticks or motherboard I don't know yet... a mobo replacement just in case is getting more and more interesting though.
I had the same problem with my HZ's a few months back, it would work perfectly when its on, but once i turned it off I could not get it to turn back on unless i tried for like 50 times. Turns out the RAM was dying as a cheapo pair from staples booted just fine. RMA for a new pair of HZ's and now i dunno what to do with it as I sold my computer parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
On topic, I've got some 2,5v 700c5 32m stable sticks :D Validated up to 775 so far ;)
I gave up on my Zombie RAM after a power surge shut off my computer and they wouldn't boot. Here is the RMA lowdown...Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
See my post:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&postcount=16
And the next one
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...3&postcount=17
I know Team RMA sucks ass I wouldn't bother with it. :p
Well these Team sticks are early D9GMH from 2005 (had another owner b4 me though) and I run my comp 24/7 almost so they've been in use for a while. On the other hand the CellShocks only lasted like 1½ weeks. :p:
Also a BIG plus is that the sticks are more stable than for a long time now I think after switching to slot 2 and 4. Even UT3 hasn't crashed today and I played it for nearly 3 hrs. Despite being Orthos stable 7hrs+, superpi 32M and memtest passes for hours and hours without errors, UT3 still has crashed on me quite a lot for a while now which I figured might be due to slight ram unstability despite stress tests doesn't show it but somehow UT3 doesn't seem to crash now either.
Looks like I'll have to give up my quest to find a kit that can do 600MHz CAS4. I've tested my Ballistix 6400 CAS3 (two kits), Dominator 8500, CellShock 8000 CAS5, Geil 9280 CAS4 and just-received Team Xtreem 9600 CAS5 with no luck. I pushed VDIMM as high as 2.60V. I don't see how this guy got his CellShock 9200 CAS5 that high with only 2.40V set in BIOS...
Bad luck about the dead ram guys. Always sucks when sticks die. The reason they will run fine but not boot is because they are damaged in such a way that they need more than stock voltage to boot up. Some can still boot at stock volts but can't overclock as high, some are like yours & are still basically the same but need more volts to boot, and some get lots of errors and cease to function properly. Electromigration causes different effects in different situations.
I'd say your board has some major ripple/bad vdimm regulation if it killed cellshocks in 1.5 weeks, unless the modules were already faulty.
GenAn - What will you sticks do CAS 4 at 2.6v? It may be the board needing a lot of vNB (vMCH) to hit that high CAS 4. What board are you using?
I want some of those cell shockers. I think I'll replace my mushkins with em. I havn't noticed any slowdowns with 2GB from 4 tbh. A higher speed mem will ease my oc of it. :) thanks for the thread.
I have a Maximus Formula flashed to a Rampage. I think I tried VMCH as high as 1.65V in tandem with VDIMM approaching 2.6V. I have some new Team 1200s to play with, but so far they haven't been able to manage CAS4 very high. I could just be my inexperience in overclocking, haven't been doing this very long.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
some d9 just like cas 5Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
my best sets crazy on cas 5
I got my replacement aXeRam 1200 kit today. I didn't even bother to open the package, I can tell from the letter after the barcode they aren't Micron - there is an "E" there, indicating Elpida :sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by nicepun
DDR2-1200 capable Elpida? What's the world coming too...:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
There seems to be some speculation as to what these are, as the kit is clearly single-sided but no one knows anything about Elpida making 128Mbit ICs, but there's the whole "E" at the end of the barcode. Confusing.
[EDIT]I noticed these have a slightly different model number than the D9 kit. These are TX1200QLU-2GK, the D9 kits are TX1200QLJ-2GK.[/EDIT]
On an unrelated note, I managed just under DDR2-1300 with my Team Xtreem 1200 kit on my P5B Deluxe, which doesn't normally clock RAM very well :up: :D
I read the full thread searching for an answer: GMH or GKX.
I have two options:
2Gb CellShock DDR2 PC2-6400 800MHz (4-4-4-12) Dual Channel kit
http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...400cl4kit.html
D9GMH
56.43€
2Gb CellShock DDR2 PC2-8000 1000MHz (4-4-4-12) Dual Channel kit
http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...c28000cl4.html
D9GKX
69.13€
My E8200 doesn't go much higher than 4000, so I think better timings is the way to go. Which pair do you think will get better timings at 1000Mhz, maybe 1100 when I change my HS? I'm still with the Intel lol.
EDIT//I finally bought these D9GMH:
2GB CellShock DDR2 PC2-8500 1066MHz (5-5-5-15) Dual Channel kit
http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...00dualkit.html
61.87€ w/shipping
I realized it's better 1200 5-5-5-15 than 1000 4-4-4-12, right?
Nice ram, they should be good. I just bought 2 kits of the PC 8000 4-4-4-12 (GKX) Cellshock.
Intel rigs do have better bandwidth and performance using higher clocks & lower latency. Do some tests and figure out what works best for your system, at voltages you're comfortable with.
My CellShock PC2-9200 CL5 KIT can do 4-4-4-3 with 2,08 real @ 1000MHz (Full stable, benched with IntelBurnTest). These sticks are made with D9GKX
Nope. CAS4 with fsb:dram=1:1 is MUCH MORE better than CAS5 with more dram freq.Quote:
Originally Posted by mursaat
I would have to disagree with you WaterFlex. On 400FSB for instance, I get higher bandwidth and lower latency on my Maximus formula with memory at 600MHz CAS5 PL5 than with it at 400MHz CAS3 PL6.
No it isn't. Higher MHz with loosen latencies are always better than lesser MHz with higher CL on Intel chipsets. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterFlex
You always get higher bandwidth with 600MHz CL5 than with 500MHz CL4.;)
DDR2-1200 5-5-5-x would have a bit higher b/w than DDR2-1000 4-4-4-x and latency should be around the same depending on ur fsb config. But DDR2-1000 4-4-4-x is a really good 24/7 DDR2 ram config anyways. DDR2-1200 is usually harder to reach and it's more stressful for the mobo too. I wasn't able to run DDR2-1200 on my config with 8x500 using divider 1.2x and voltage 2.3v or less with either the Cellshock PC2-8000 5-5-5-15 (D9GKX?) sticks or my Team Xtreem DDR2-667 3-4-4-8 (D9GMH) but my Team clocks better and was able to do it in single channel at least so it might just be my mobo that have probs with dual channel in DDR2-1200 (tried upping NB volts quite a lot too) and the Cellshocks didn't seem to like this board or maybe the bios version possibly (will switch back to the older and faster bios when I get the new CellShock sticks from RMA).
Running 500x8 1:1 DDR2-1000 4-4-4-8 25-11-11-5-5 Performance Lvl 7 w/ BIOS v14 on my IP35 Pro I get ~9950MB/s read and ~49ns latency in Everest benchmark which I'm quite satisfied with. At 1.2x divider with 500 fsb DDR2-1200 5-5-5-15 I'd expect it to be around 10050 ~ 10100 MB/s read and 47~49ns or so.
I have problems with the Cellshock 8000 CAS5 reaching DDR2-1200 myself. It was easiest on my Striker Extreme. However, my Ballistix 8500, Reaper 8500, Dominator 6400C3, and Team Xtreem 19600 can do 1200 with about 2.15V real on the Maximus, and VMCH at 1.45V for PL5 on 266 strap/400FSB.
Yep, you are right. I`m totally agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
I bought the 8500s because:
1) I get 1066Mhz guaranteed
2) Were cheaper than GKXs 8000 (11€ with shipment)
3) Never had a pair of the famous D9GMH lol
4) I thought that being higher binned from factory than the 6400 GMHs, could be easier to get 1200, but I know nothing's for sure.
5) GKX like more voltage, GMHs never more than 2.24v.
Anyways, at those prices, I can get a pair of GKXs if what I get is not very good :)
I can't tell much of a difference between my higher-binned GMH and GKX with regards to voltage scaling.
Some D9GMH sticks are even better than D9GKX but good D9GKX can be really great, as always YMMV depending on the RAM stick samples and motherboard, either D9GMH or D9GKX should yield a good result anyways. I wouldn't be the least worried about picking D9GMH over D9GKX, it's not a garantuee the D9GKX will be better.
yup lol just got a pair of d9gkx doa :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
What's up with all d9gkx lately. :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
BTW, nice setup u have.
*steals CPU and the micron goodness* :rofl:
In case I'd buy a new mobo, do you think the DFI P45 DK would be a better pick than the P35 regarding mem performance etc, do you know anything about DFI P45 if it allows any low PL's or if P35 is better in this matter which seems to be the case with other brands at least.
consider thisQuote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
my ut p35 is better and faster than my x38
and x38 faster than p45
so far dfi has fastest p45 not highest fsb
i dont beleive them pl levels 10 might =12 lol
i dont care for highest fsb i care for the one that can do high fsb for longer than a month lol
the dfi p45 plus is interesting but...i can wait till it proves itself
i think i'll wait for ut version i dont need more that 535fsb for 24/7
but i doubt there is any ddr2 to match the ut p35 yet in terms of pure performance
btw i collectin micron not usin em lol
how u like this i'll try better when i get more time i need to break 12000mb/s if i had 780 board would be easier but i just cant stand no nvidia chipset
OMG that's some sick clock for clock performance on DDR2. :eek: :clap:
My Abit IP35 Pro gets a hard time going above 500 fsb on 8 multi with this E8400, 500x8 that I use is really on the border to what's possible to run stable. 512x8 craps out in matter of a few secs in orthos for example. :p:
It shouldn't be a big difference between DK-P35-T2RS and UT-P35-T2R right? Cuz I'm a bit interested in swapping to the DK P35 for 129 EUR. There's only one shop in this country that got it and the expensier UT-P35-T2R one goes for 200 EUR. :/
get the lt you dont need the transpiperQuote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
first thing i did was take that heatpipe crap out
I just picked up 2 x Cellshock PC8000 CAS 4 (D9 GKX) sticks. They test fine, so hopefully they go well.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
They do 1113 MHz 5-5-5-12 at 2.05v no problem, that was my 24/7 setting with the Teamgroup. They also POST'ed fine at 1202 MHz, but I didn't load windows at this speed yet, as I just got my board last night.
I have to say, the cellshock run hot, much hotter than the TG at the same voltage/clocks. I don't know whether this is because they have thermal paste and better contact between the IC's and the heatspreader or not.
Well I'd get more worried if the heatspreaders doesn't get any warm at all. CellShock uses Arctic Silver-like thermal paste, not the typical thick white pad thingie so the heat transfer is better on Cellshock's than typical offerings. I always use 2x80mm fans on my sticks so I'm not afraid of hot sticks. :up:
I would be happy to get some sticks capable of good speeds at 2.2v or less though to be able to keep them for a while, otherwise electromigration might become an issue. :rolleyes:
my d9gkx run hotter than my ballistix its normal cause they need more juice;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
I mean at the same voltage & speed as the TG, they feel much hotter. I wasn't giving them more voltage. If I was giving them more voltage than the TG, sure I would expect them to be hotter, but I wasn't.
The TG get warm running 2.2 - 2.3v, but no where near as hot as the cellshocks, and the cellshocks wer only running on 2.04v.
I think the cellshock must have excellent thermal contact between the IC's and the heatspreader. There's really nothing else it can be. Almost makes me want to pull the heatspreader off my TG and try to reseat them using some non conductive thermal compound instead of that thermal tape they use, and if they wont stay on due to clearance or lack of adhesive, I may run them naked. Not sure what to do yet.
Perhaps just removing them and running them naked would be better, as if I had to rma, i could just put them back together and send them away (assuming I could even get an RMA authority from them in the first place).
ive working for 3 months for getting a team rma and im just now getting authorized to get authorization for an RMA#, and im guessing that they will say "we no longer make that kit", "how is some 800mhz cas4 dark 2GB", and then i have to go through the no they arnt the same adn i have a 2nd kit and eventually ill get R bin powerchips in a 4GB kit. but im still hoping for some GMH since they still ship the 1200/1300mhz stuff i know that they have it
and how would u do the spreaders with thermal paste, use binder clips to hold it on?? with them off and fan it should be better
Yeah I know they have the D9 kits still too, I just bought some :D Unless it's just the distributors that have it still? Couldn't say for sure unless you bought it direct from them.
My heatspreaders are screwed together and too thick to flex using binder clips (see my avatar), so if once screwed down they didnt hold, I'd have to run them naked. I dont really want to ruin my chances of RMA by wrecking the heatspreaders, so I think I'd run them either just stock or naked.
Best Team heatsinks are the ones supplied by Thermalright, on 9600 modules.:up:
DAGNABIT one of my Team 1200 sticks has gone bad in less than a week!!
Damn mate. What motherboard and power supply are you running?
Mine TG have been running between 1.96 - 2.3v for 6 weeks and they are still as good as when I got them. Perhaps your board/psu is killing them or it may have been a bad stick.
I tested them on my Maximus Formula and P5B Deluxe. I know the MF overvolts by about 0.05V and the P5B-D undervolts by the same amount. They tested fine out of the box, I tried some high CAS4 clocks and finally gave up, then went on to try 1300 CAS5 which passed Memtest with no problems and that's where I left em. Noticed weird application crashes today with my P5B-D system and decided to run memtest...Red all over :mad: There must be something else going on besides voltage, as I always compensate depending on what the board puts out, and I've lost quite a few sticks, but never this fast, which makes me think there was just a bad module. I have an Antec Quattro 850W in the MF system and a Thermaltake 750W in the P5B-Dlx box.
[EDIT]Okay I don't know what's going on. I took the it out and put in its packaging for a spell, then decided to try it in the Maximus Formula. Set the VDIMM to 2.46V (I know, I know) and ran memtest expecting instant failure, but as of now it's on test #8 and no red. Is it dead or not???[/EDIT]
What board was it in when it gave errors in memtest?
Try this, set around 1000 - 1100 CAS 5 @ 2.0v and memtest it in the maximus. Does that give errors? If not straight away, leave it testing for awhile. See if they come back while using only a low voltage. It may be damaged though......
Neither of your PSU's are bad with ripple (Thermaltake is <100mv) so I'm leaning towards the board. However I had a P5B a year ago, and I ran my D9's in it at 2.13v (real) for 8 months without any issues.
Maximuses (Maximii?) have been known to kill D9, not sure what theyre like personally never owned one.
Well it looks like electromigration has taken effect on the one module, as it will fail memtest unless the voltage is set to above 2.40V in the BIOS. I've never heard of it happening this quickly before. It fails in every board with lower voltages, no matter the speed/timings.
Thats why I said to try low volts, shows it up better. Dammit mate, bad luck there, RMA time.
Have you run other D9 in those boards for any length of time before? Also how high did you do on the volts when OC'ing them?
I've lost various D9 in my P5B-Dlx (Ballistix 667, Dominator 6400C4 V1.x), deceased P5K-E/Wifi (Dominator 8500C5 v1.x, Dominator 6400C3) and the Maximus (aXeRam 1200). I babied the aXeRam and the Dominator 8500 kits too, never fed them very high voltage. The only common denominator I can think of is those were kits I ran 24/7.
Thats a lot of dead ram. I would strongly recommend getting a new board before you loose any more. It's getting harder to find these days. I hope my M2F doesnt kill it, nor my P5Q-Deluxe. Time will tell I guess. Hope you get a timely replacement.
Well all of that got RMA'd and replaced, though not always with D9 unfortunately. I'm 3 for 6 with RMAing D9 and getting D9 back. What could be the issue here if not voltage? I've checked it with a DMM so I know how to compensate, and I run a Dominator fan over them to keep the kits cool. As for your low clock test, the kit won't even boot with voltage set that low. Well, the problematic stick anyway, the other one is just fine.
The major issue is probably poor vdimm regulation, be that spikes above the set voltage, or ripple. Either one can kill ram fast. That's one of the reasons I have gone for 2 boards that have 2-phase vdimm power - hopefully it is cleaner and more stable. Have you read the D9 Electromigration thread? A lot of knowledgeable people discuss the possible causes of the degradation/death.
One thing I guess that I do that not many people do, is run a continuous power filter (CPF) from the power point the pc is connected to. It filters out any spikes in the house power, making it much cleaner than usual. Perhaps that has something to do with the fact I have never lost D9, even at 2.1 - 2.2v 24/7 even using my old P5B without good active cooling (i ran an 80mm fan at 5v pointed down from the top of the mobo, not directly over the sticks). I have no real evidence that this has helped though, there's no way to test it, so I don't know for sure.
IMO the best thing is to get a board with good vdimm circuitry, & a good low ripple PSU. Your thermaltake is a good psu in that regard. I don't think it's possible to test a boards ripple without an oscilloscope, and I don't have one of those - I'd love it if someone with one could do some tests if it is indeed possible.
Well, my Maximus Formula has 2-phase DDR2 power, I compensated for overvoltage, and I still lost the aXeRAM 1200 kit. As for power, my boxes are connected to UPS devices that should filter spikes from the wall socket...
As if to mock me, I've been testing the one good stick out of the kit, and it only needs 2.05V real for 600MHz CAS5 on my P5B Deluxe :horse:
That must be irritating. If I were you, I'd do some xtreme overclocking with that good stick, using 2.5 - 3.0v :D If you kill it, it's going back with the other stick anyway, may as well try to get your monies worth because if they send you a 'Dark' kit in return that would be a shame to say the least. You've spent a lot of cash, you deserve to have more fun than you have had.
Shiranui Gen-An> Sounds like same happened to you that happened to my Cellshocks, got bad very quickly and started requiring more and more volts, first 2.2v, then 2.25v and then 2.3v and then it would require even more in the end so I RMA'd them. The sticks pretty much sucked though in OC so no big loss here.
Now if same thing will happen with the new sticks, I'll buy a new mobo without hesitation, Abit IP35 Pro isn't a fun board to have anyways for serious bios/mem tweakers. I miss the DFI BIOS. :)
What about the P5KE/Wifi? Is a good board for mem OC? I dont really know if its 2-phase vdimm.
Anyway, I don't think I'll pass 2.24vdimm, shipping cost from Spain to memoryc can cost me more than the RAM in case I need some RMA :(
I paid around 6 eur in shipping to Ireland from Finland when I sent them on RMA. Sending as a letter won't cost much, I think it was priority maxi letter or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mursaat
Damnit, now I can't seem to get the bad Team Xtreem stick to boot again at whatever settings I try and up to 2.35v was tried after I visit my parents over the weekend and left the pc off. Hope the new CellShock sticks arrive from RMA soon. :/
Strangely enough, I was able to back down my BIOS voltage from 2.46 to 2.42 and get my Team Xtreem kit to pass memtest. Did the stick need some continual voltage for a spell or something? I'd been running the sticks pretty much all since last night.
I honestly doubt it, if it degraded at all, it's damaged. I doubt you could still boot it with 1.8v at SPD rating, or overclock as high on the same volts or run stable at a reasonable speed on low volts. You shouldn't have to run 2.4v+ to get stability. Keep trying and see though.
I think I'm also gonna order a Cellshock PC2-6400 4-4-4-12 D9GMH kit since they're still available and costs 51 EUR only in case the D9GKX simply doesn't work well on this board, can't be arsed to use 1GB ram for an extended period as I'm playing in a UT3 clan (it's a stuttering hell with single channel 1GB) and then either sell or keep one kit as backup or use em all when I'd need 4GB.
EDIT: Ordered, will keep you informed how it turns out.
I sent my Team RMA to Taiwan on 9/5 (since Team USA no longer has 2x1GB DDR2 667 3-3-3-8). Still waiting....:shrug:
Here's a kit of XMS2 8500 Rev1.3: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=280269820087
I thought about buying but I think I need to stop this obsession :rofl:
Ordered a new mobo, getting tired of this Abit board which cannot even boot to dual channel DDR2-1200 no matter what kit (I've tried one that is capable on another board).
DFI LanParty UT P35-T2R Rev. A11 with exchanged thermal grease for better on the heatpipes and better sealed heatpipe. 590 FSB on air capable. Paying 110 EUR incl shipping, new in stores over here it costs 200 €. :(
Will try and push this CPU to 533x7.5 as my Abit dies after 500 FSB+ unless 7x or 6x multi is used it can go a bit above and with high NB voltage it can reach 540 or so. Can't wait! :up:
More goodies :D http://cgi.ebay.com/Crucial-Ballisti...QQcmdZViewItem
you gonna love the board enjoyQuote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Received an email that Team has shipped my RAM...probably on a slow boat...tick, tick, tick....:yawn2:Quote:
Originally Posted by 18 is # 1
I RMA'd my Team kit to MemoryC since it was still less than 30 days. Tracked my package and it arrived in merry Ireland this mornin'.
I just RMA'd my PC2-9600 to Taiwan. It took 2 1/2 weeks from when you mailed to when they mailed. So, it takes about a month total. That is a long time. I might just sell mine when I get it back. I tried some Kingston HyperX PC2-9200 and they lasted for a about a day before I got a C1 error. I could only get them to run at 1069MHz too. But Newegg rocks as they came me a full refund, including return postage.Quote:
Originally Posted by 18 is # 1
Yeah, the Egg done me right several times. I like doing business with them...even if it does take three days to ship to Dallas.Quote:
Originally Posted by doakh
This guy got some crazy clocks with D9GMH Team Xtreem 8500: http://happy.ap.teacup.com/occ2/128.html
Hey guys! What is the best kit today? I was wondering de CB .16DF5 but in my country that's imposible to find...
Thank you ^^
That`s mine lovely Shocks:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4...9416vu7.th.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6...b500pl8do1.png
can you run that speed @ trfc 28 pl7 pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by WaterFlex
Hmm, where to start....
I got the new mobo DFI UT P35-T2R today and it didn't meet my hopes. Well the most annoying about it was the quite loud high pitched noise during load (windows startup, orthos etc.). Then it didn't like the Cellshock kits at all, I'd say it was even slightly worse than the Abit board. So it's not only D9GKX chips it doesn't like, it doesn't like Cellshock kits at all for some reason. I wasn't even able to get 4-5-5-10 DDR2-1000 @ 2.2~2.23v stable.
The guy I bought it of was nice and accepted that he will return the money I paid for it as I'm going to send it back. It's a shame as it really looked like it would be a board I'd love and I liked the heavily configurable bios too.
BUT then I decided to give my old Gigabyte P35 DS4 a try that has been resting for like 8 months or so I think (when I was still using a E6750 cpu) as I wasn't sure if it was screwed up due to bios flashing or if it was infact incompability with the Team Xtreem ram with latest bios and to my suprise it booted up just fine with the Cellshock PC2-6400 4-4-4-12 D9GMH kit. Now I tried of course see how this board clocks the Cellshock kit and finally it seems I've found a mobo + ram that plays well together. It seems like this board runs the ram at 1000 4-4-4-x at pl7 even (abit board needed pl8 for this kit) and a voltage of 2.15v set in bios (+ Gigabyte P35 DS4 overvolting) ~= 2.21v. I haven't tried to see yet exactly how low it can go on timings or if it would do even go towards 1200. Mem performance is a notch better than on the Abit board too but it's only by a small margin.
I nearly ruined the OCZ Vendetta 2 cooler when I was installing the components quickly on the Gigabyte board as I nearly ruined one of the push pins that I had to bend back and then also managed to get a little piece of it breaking but it doesn't really affect the usability though. Was a bit upset after the DFI board didn't meet my hopes, so wasn't as calm and careful as I should be. I don't know how this board clocks my E8400 either but at least it does at least as good job at the Abit IP35 Pro board but I think it might even clock slightly better but that remains to be seen. It's late now, will have to try more tomorrow.
somethin verry wrong with the board good he takin it backQuote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
dfi never liked d9gkx i got 4 sets just collectin dust now:mad:
i think i gonna get a p45 soon;)
i lost 6 sets of d9 only in gigabut boards so gl :rofl:
At least I ran the Team Xtreem sticks just above 1 year in that board just fine at 2.21v. I have wanted to return to this board before, it's a really a stable board that did around 550 FSB with my previous cpu with only NB voltage upped slightly. Between Gigabyte P35 DS4, Abit IP35 Pro and the DFI UT P35-T2R the Gigabyte board is clearly the one that impresses and works best for me. I've also used a DS3R for a couple of days but it sucked (voltage regulation was way worse and unstable) and it's not even close to as good as the DS4, the DS4 is a lot more close to a DQ6 board in quality. I might have to order the Cellshock 1000 cl4 kit as it would prolly fly with this board but I'll see what this PC2-6400 can do first. The only prob I have with Gigabyte is the BIOS support. The boards are really good but the bioses and everything around it are buggy.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
As far as the high pitch noise goes, it seems to not be so uncommon these days which can also be an issue for graphic cards too. It's coming from the voltage controllers. Must be more common issue for digital vrm boards I suppose. Some ppl might not even hear the noise (doubt my parents would for example as they wouldn't hear when an old TV had a constant high pitched whine either) as it's very high pitched and for others the fan noise or comp case might be blocking it but I'm not using a comp case and have "fairly" silent rig (not by a silentpc enthusiast's view tho of course :p). I can deal with the constant blowing fan noise but I can't deal with a variated high pitched whine.
Well at least it's clear for me now that it's all about finding a RAM kit + mobo that works well with each other. That it clocks bad in one board might not mean it will clock bad in another. :p:
EDIT: Yay my cpu just passed 5 hrs orthos priming over the night at 1.375 voltage, I needed 1.39~1.4v on the abit board to be stable for couple of hrs. Used to need around 1.36v (for 500x8) at first with the Abit board but later on I had to up the voltage a bit, at 1.375v on the Abit board now I'd been aprox 10~15 mins stable for comparision. So this DS4 board totally rocks, next stop 1.36v. Seems like I've to try if 513x8 can be stable later on. My Abit board wouldn't let me do that without getting unstable no matter how I'd play with the voltages.
Yay CPU passed 5hr Orthos at 500x8 1.36v too (load-> 1.34v)! Man that's a huge improvement comparing to the abit board which needed 1.395~1.4v for this clock. wonder how low I can go really but I'm prolly gonna push it a little more instead.
This is the best config I could get the ram to at DDR2-1000 cl4 2.21v which also blows the abit and dfi board out of water and is almost same config as my Team Xtreem ram was capable of, still not bad for a 51 EUR kit though. Maybe I'll check if it can do DDR2-1200 but I doubt it. Need to order the Cellshock 1000 CL4 kit now if I'm gonna push cpu a little further I could run 4-4-4-x at a little above 500MHz speeds or 600+ cl5.
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Nice results mate, well done :up:
I'll be damned, the kit did boot up just fine at DDR2-1200 at 2.21v with the very slacky timings I put and so far memtest has run without any errors. The performance is significantly worse at this config as expected but I'll see if it can beat the CL4 config that had been damn sweet. Gigabyte + Cellshock the pwn, remember, this is only the 51 EUR PC2-6400 4-4-4-12 D9GMH kit.
EDIT: Now we start talking, this isn't the best possible config yet, just a stability test stop-gap. :up: Too bad the latency shoot up slightly, will see if I can get it to around 50 at least.
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Wasn't able to get the latency much better since PL7 won't work at this config and PL affects latency quite a lot. But yeh I'm still very satisfied what this cheap kit is able to provide. I might be able to go even slightly lower on some settings like tRFC, tRRD, tRDWR, tRTP etc but I'm satisfied like this and it has run 20mins memtest stable so far, will check longer another time.
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RPGWiZaRD your trfc is too high
1000mhz cas 4 my trfc is 24
1200+ my trfc is 30
after 1250 i loosen it up a but
Well different kits clocks differently, with my Team Xtreem I ran at 25 at 1000 cas 4 and at 22 - 23 for a while but this kit won't do it but maybe 30.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
EDIT: Yep I think 30 is fine.
Can't decide whatever or not to order the 1000 CL4 kit now, I already got good enough speeds that satisfy the 24/7 setting. But the fact that they cost only 63 EUR for among the very best kits it's hard to refuse. But then again it's more fun to have a PC2-6400 kit that runs at DDR2-1200 than having a kit that runs nearly at it's rated speed too.
You should be able to drop the PL and some of those timings, your read should be a little higher than mine here (in screenie) as you have a P35 whereas mine is P45. You must be really happy that you can finally have some fun clocking ram now :)
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CryptiK
Well done! I have the same results :D
I don't understand that. As you know, the MCHBAR is locked on an Abit Pro. My Mushkin 2x2 run PL6 and my Team Xtreem ran PL5. Why was yours so high?Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
It wasn't locked with a modded bios that allowed you to adjust it. Basicly comp wouldn't boot at PL6 and was unstable at PL7 with that kit on that board. And like I've said several times Abit IP35 Pro doesn't seem to like Cellshocks kits at all after testing 2 different CellShock kits and both giving less than mediocre D9 results. I've never been able to run at lower than PL7.Quote:
Originally Posted by 18 is # 1
Good to know. This is my first OCing rig and I bought the Abit (over Bloodiron and Asus P5K Deluxe) because so few had anything negative to say about it. It's been a great board to learn on.Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Great results guys! Cellshock and Team Xtreem mems really kick some arses xD...
Good and bad news for me. Yesterday I picked up my new E8500 and the TP I45, but for my bad luck, the stupid Zogis 8600GT died a few days ago, and maybe its going to take 3 weeks till the replacement card is coming home, so, they are packed and locked in my closet ^^
Cryptik, what mems do you have in tested in the last screen? The Xtreem's¿?
I ordered the CellShock 1000 4-4-4-12 kit, couldn't resist having one of those especially for 63 EUR. But man I need to stop buying new ram now I already have a decent CellShock PC2-6400 kit too and another CellShock kit sent in for RMA. :p:
There is quite a bit of D9GMH on US Ebay right now, mostly Ballistix but some Dominator stuff too.
RPGWiZaRD
Why didn`t you order CellShock 1150 ?
RPGWiz, I think you'll like the CellShock 8000. I couldn't be happier with mine, it keeps surprising me all the time, mostly how little voltage it takes to hit good speeds. I am pretty sure I could keep DDR 1302 stable with a little more voltage, only thing is I still haven't installed a fan to keep it cool. Currently @ 577MHz on only 1.90v. PL7, all Pull-Ins enabled, drive strength at almost max. Setting drive strength to max doesn't seem to make any difference, for some reason?
I would think something like 2.2v would keep 1302 stable, so that's a goal for later.
Not in stock and costs 90 EUR on memoryc as opposed to 63 EUR for this CL4 1000 kit. Besides I like black color more and CL4 1000 should be at least as good bin as 5-5-5-x 1150 which is more common as there's even up to DDR2-1200 kits while there's no higher than 1000 for CL4. Basicly I don't think the red devils clocks much better, varies from sample to sample I guess. If it would do up to 1250 on 2.21v I'm more than happy. Would be nice if it allowed PL7 at 1200 but it seems CAS5 doesn't play well with PL7 as it wouldn't be work for me at a lower speed either if using CAS5 but if I used CAS4 at 1000 it worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterFlex
As for ram cooling, I use 2x 80mm @ 25CFM fans that sits directly on top of the sticks in my open setup so I'm not afraid of ram getting hot at least. Still I wouldn't wanna go higher than the current 2.21v setting either as I'm afraid of elecromigration that happened to one of the Teamgroup sticks also at 2.2v but they were in use for quite a while though, maybe 2 years (and another owner b4 that).
Nice you should like them a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
I also went for the PC8000 CL4's, reason being I wanted GKX that was binned as GKX, meaning highest possible frequency and lowest cas latency. The 8000 CL4 kit is the highest binned GKX CL4 kit available. Also they will easily do 1150 CL5 like the 9200 CL5's, and are markedly cheaper. I think the 9200 CL5's are GKX binned like GMH (higher speed CL5) and I already have 2 kits of nice GMH so I wanted GKX that behaved like GKX if you know what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterFlex
I haven't tested it but 2.2v would be close to stable at 651 MHz, but I think more like 2.22 - 2.25v would be closer to the mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee
Yeah that was my TeamXtreem in that screen, although my CellShock are as good, even slightly better in fact requiring less voltage at lower speeds, but the Team's just keep going, I had them POSTing up to 700 MHz on my P5Q-Deluxe on only 2.3v :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pekalion
Here's my Teams at 2.3v, but I think the CellShocks would also easily do this.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=133
Once my 525W Enermax Modu82+ comes back from RMA I should be able to have a play xD. Currently have the Cellshock PC8000 kit on me as well as a D9GMH set of Crucial Ballstix Tracer 1066 in my DFI DK P45 T2RS Plus. MemoryC seems to have the PC8500 D9GMH Cellshocks now too? I don't remember seeing them before
No they were not there when I purchased my 8000 CL4 GKX kits. Be sure to show some benches when you get you rig together :up:
I running Team Xtreem PC2-9600 at 1201MHz with 2.27v (2.22 actual).
doakh
I think too much Vdimm...
Hey this is Xtreme Systems, for some the performance > safety. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterFlex
What is too much vdimm is a personal opinion too. Some thinks 2.3v is safe, some want 2.1v or less, big deal, whatever makes YOU satisfied. Besides this kit is rated for 2.35V-2.45V, he's using LESS than rated stock voltage.
2.3v is nothin for d9gkxQuote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
but i wouldnt put no d9 in a gigabut board even @ 2.1v:rofl:
D9 GKX is made from the same wafer as d9 GMH and they are built on the same process, and are simply different speed/timing bins of the exact same IC. According to that, they have equal tolerance of voltages. It's like saying an e8500 cpu can handle more voltage than an e8400 45nm cpu. The process defines the upper limits of voltage tolerance, and in that regard, GKX and GMH are identical.
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Originally Posted by WaterFlex
I needed 2.27v to pass Orthos blend. It passed Memtest 2.01 at around 2.05v; so it all depends on how one defines stability. If it fails at these voltages: 1) I could go to a lower voltage and everything seems to work fine; 2) I will have to RMA to Taiwan.