Thanks for the feedback, i didn't saw that option on specs or descriptions, so the doubt :)
Glad to know it exists.
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well..the TPower I45 has Raid...the other versions might not, so check!
Oh, this image show clearly the option, my mistake, didn't saw it from your first post, i jump directly to the first link (overview) from it specs on Biostars site.
But seems that with the update the site didn't show it as was shown before. My bad, now its totally cleared, thanks :up:
Changing subjects, another question, didn't saw bios chip on pictures. What is it location? Thanks again.
What were your mem settings when you did your 6.1+ on the biostar???
The max I've been able to boot windows is between 550-575.
If I try to run 1M superpi at 575, my computer locks up.
I have some 2x512 D9GMH that's capable of 650 with 2.4ish volts so I'm not mem limited.
If i'd venture a guess, I'd say it was the chip.
I have another chip coming to see if this is really the case.
Well, it certainly is a really good e84.
For 600 fsb - I used rcomp config 2, set PL manually in bios to 10, left timings at auto/spd, boot at 580, then in windows use setfsb to 600fsb. Then once you're in you can drop to PL 9 with memset if you want.
Here's 6.06ghz 1m with e84
http://www.movement-radio.com/super1.gif
I got as tight as PL7 4442 @ 500fsb, but it's not a fast as my p35s with these settings. I'm going to screw with some pmem tweaking and see if I can shave some time.
Screen -
http://www.movement-radio.com/4500mhz1m.gif
wow 1.9v!!
Ace-a-Rue: You mind if i borrow some of your pictures (from bios etc) to post in my own thread at our Norwegian Hardware community?
~ Mortis360
Nice Mrcape:up:
What cooling method on that 1.9?
This Biostar is the little engine that could...
http://www.movement-radio.com/lnrun2/3.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3...cearer3.th.jpg
Gave you the credit as you can see in the bottom of picture.
"Bilder av BIOS er lånt fra Ace-a-Rue @ XtremeSystems" = "Pictures from BIOS borrowed from Ace-a-Rue @ XtremeSystems" transelated from Norwegian! Thanks for letting me borrow them!
~ Mortis360
Ace,
Why do the CPU-Z Memory screens show Memory Type as DDR3?
Can someone run the following test on the Biostar TPower I45 motherboard and post the results? Please indicate bios version.
DPC Latency test:
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml
Would be interested to see result's with Quadcore CPU's i.e. Q6600, Q9450, Q9550, Q9650.
Also do soundcards such as the Asus Xonar D2, Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi series work okay with this motherboard? No reason why they shoudnt just making sure.
I'm guessing previous bugs with graphics cards have now been fixed as their has been a few official bios releases since. :)
I'ts actually a bug with the latest official release of CPU-Z i.e. Version 1.46.0
The latest beta version fixes this i.e. Version 1.46.4
http://www.cpuid.com/download/beta/cpuz.zip
Should also display the correct voltages for people using Abit IP35 series motherboards, as per the CPU-Z forums. Not sure what else it fixes.
The 6 SATA cables thats included, are they soft or are they very hard to bend?
~ Mortis360
"Also do soundcards such as the Asus Xonar D2, Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi series work okay with this motherboard? No reason why they shoudnt just making sure."
i run this board and Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi xtremeusic(the good older 1),works flawlessly.make SURE u go to creatives xfi website then choose your model and get ALL the critical auto updates and install them before gaming or anything else!
once in a blue moon a mobo comes out that blows everything out of the water for price and overclocking ease\stabbilty,this is the 1 in 2008....
i rarely say this about any mobo minus the dfi ultra d skt 939,biostar 965pt skt 775,but this biostar i45 tpower is flawless for $145!!!!
no issues at all,easist board on the planet for cpu\ram overclocking.grab a cheap e8400\e8500 some decent d9ghm or better yet d9ghkx ram and your going to fly down the street like your on nitrous out of the box.also no mods are needed at all for sane ppl who want amazing overclocks with STABILTY for programs to run flawlessly.now insane benchmark dudes i guess will mod this im assuming to break wr,s easy(they are now)....its simply crushing $250-$300+ asus,gigabyte mobos,dfi mobos all day long.gotta love biostar always looking out for the little guy who wants to spend money on other components and not ALL on a friggin mobo.vid cards and cpus should be the price factor in a good rig,not a mobo(what happened here?).marketing,longevity,reputation made some of the other companys feel they could simply up there prices threw the years as there names got bigger,sad but true.look at asus asking prices of the last 5 boards they released,good but mostly beaten or buggy same as dfi lately.dont get me wrong asus is ok on certain models but by no means worth the money they charge these days.biostar is humble and true to the overclocker\consumer.after rd600 dying and dfi 680i lt,im done with them also.the evga sli for the win 750i sli was soooo hyped up i bought it and it was a complete dud.put this mobo in and bam,amazing.
in this thread i seen benchers and casual\gamer overclockers get whatever they want period out this board.no real bels\whistles just brute force silently smashing everything.
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railmeat seems to be very satisfied with this mobo.
im itching to have mine too soon.
you will enjoy it!..it is an excellent board with great overclocking potential....i am disappointed..mine went kaput!:D because of me!:p:
Just ordered one. theres a deal in the newegg thread over at the H if you're a newsletter subscriber
What ram would people reccomend for this board? i.e. 2x2GB is their any that dont seem compatable? I usually go with Corsair was thinking the 8500 Dominators.
Did you try the latest beta version of CPU-Z?
The latest beta version supposingly fixes this i.e. Version 1.46.4
http://www.cpuid.com/download/beta/cpuz.zip
how about the crossfire is there any significant performance compare to x48 or x38?
because im planning to use crossfire in this mobo , please need help
GSkill PC6400 worked very well for me...corsair will probably do well too!
yes, i downloaded the beta from your link, unfortunately, if you didn't see my previous post, i killed the board with a slip of the DMM probe....what gets me, the + probe was taped up down to 3/16 inches just exposed...DARN!:(
i know...i am crying:D
For the people that want a clean case, hard cables are horrible! Ordered some angeled SATA cables from Performance-PCs and they were horrible! Actualy when I tried to bend them, they broke in two pieces! Thanks for the answert mrcape! :)
If anyone are intressed to watch my thread about Biostar, I'm putting a link here (Google Translate used to translate to english, but some words are not well translated). Biostar Thread @ Hardware Norway
~ Mortis360
also can i ask bfor dual super pi 32mb, because it looks like difrent result with my old dfi mobo, dual super pi 32mb run faster with same speed
i ran only a single instance of super-pi..that is what most users do...thought not to try to change that method.
last bench before going kaput!;)
Thanks, what do you think about my logo of the thread?
As a new brand in Norway I have to give it a good reputation with a good info thread!
Translated it means: "The Great Biostar Thread"
I hope they get my card in stock tomorrow, because then I will get it before the weekend!
~ Mortis360
i LIKE it!..NICE!:up:
ace did dual super pi,scan the pages.
few things about this board and benchmarking- i read extensive reviews that included some pretty in depth multiple benchmarks test resulting in hanging with all mobos withing a few points on diff tests.the thing with this board is its simply amazing to overclock cpu\ram instantly,no fudging for hours on end with bsod,lockups etc like other hi end $200-$300 mobos.you put your componentes in and it flys like the wind.im not a benchmark guy at all i simply overclock cpu\ram a few days to get stable and game on it(i actually use it everyday for fun).as far as benchmarking etc goes like i said it gets within a few points of hi end mobos in multiple tests.its not going to win every single benchmark test but who cares. it kicks ass bottom line and can max out your cpu if u can cool it...
@barong-
is your specs "E8400 @ 4250 with TRUE Black 120"
prime 95\occt stable at all(screenies plz)?im curiuos cause i have same chip.if its not stable then no reply needed, if it is plz state voltages\temps.
Ace-a-Rue, not sure if you want to add it but got a link here that maybe useful to people
Biostar Forums - http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
I can't remember how I came across the above website, it's dedicated to BIOSTAR motherboards including modded bios which includes adding extra memory options etc.
PS: Just ordered my Biostar Tpower I45 :D
Was bored so updated this website with new info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biostar will add the Biostar logo when permitted. :D
@railmeat
i'll try to post it soon for the orthos & occt
Guys, I have this mobo too but I've a problem with my Mushkin XP2-8500... I get post code "E1" and it doesn't proceed with the Post.
The only way to get everything functioning is to use another stick of corsair ddr2 to get in the bios, save relaxed parameters and then swap again the ram...
Already tryed to clear cmos etc... is there any way to temporary reset memory parameters to get the mobo to Post?
I remember that in my old DFI Lanparty Ultra.b, if I pressed the "Ins" button before to switch on, it let me enter in the bios with temporary parameters to change and save them...
Hi guys,
loving the thread, nice to see the little guy (biostar) supported.
I have this great board also and I am very pleased with it. Good layout too.
I have managed to boot into windows at 500fsb, but not stabilized yet and have managed to get it stable at 460fsb, this is on a q9300 with a 6x mutli.
At the moment I am just pushing the fsb as high as it will go and then move on to clocking the q9300.
Like I said and has been said all ready, great board and great thread,
thanks guys :clap:
My card is shipped now! Should be here friday, maybe even tomorrow evening (Depends if the card comes to Oslo today)! Can't wait!
~ Mortis360
orthos blend with my rig :D
http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/...dm_f0e8370.jpg
Nice result there barong. :)
Biostar have uploaded the manual to their website today for anyone who doesnt have the motherboard & wishes view it.
http://download.biostar.com.tw/upload/Manual/IP45A-A7P_080813_B.zip
I presume the motherboard has a removeable bios chip right?
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8...5layoutxq6.jpg
i am not clear on the no-post issue...are you saying the board is already at default bios settings and it will not post with that particular memory??
i would stay with one stick of memory in the first slot until you get it pinned down
what bios file is installed on the mobo?
i looked when mine was working and i did not see any removable bios chip...so...i use the external flashing program (afudos.exe) to flash..the latest afudos version does quality checks before flashing.
PS...Nelly, i corrected your download url in my reply...it look liked "HTTP" was in there twice. http://download.biostar.com.tw/uploa...P_080813_B.zip
Looks like Biostar got an Overclocking competition going on at various locations in the world: http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/event/occompetition/
Aye not to worry, besides these features look interesting! :clap: :yepp:
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5...srelifepm6.jpg
do u have the download link for prime , thx :D
In response to the question of Crossfire functionality, I run two 4850's with zero problems on my I45. Love the setup!
My card is shipped now, only been registered in Stokke, lets hope it wont take the trip over to Oslo, and just right to Drammen! The stupid post services send many packages to the sentral in oslo before they go back to Drammen, they would save 140kms just sending it to my central instead of taking the way to Oslo! *prays* Gonna have answer about that tomorrow tho!
~ Mortis360
same kind of thing happens over here in the USA...inefficiency of the Post Office is significant!
Inefficiency is not good, in our biggest northern city Tromsø, if a package get sent from one of the neighbour citys it have to take the trip within Oslo, that makes it more than 2000kms EACH way, that is insane! They could save many millions on not taking it to the main central and instead have county centrals, they do have county centralt, but they are only used after the post has come from Oslo and spread around to the postoffices or "Post in Stores".
Wasted if you ask me, just send the packages to the right county central and be done with it! :rolleyes:
YAAY! It arrived at my local terminal today! :D
Can pick it up later today or sometime tomorrow!:cool:
~ Mortis360
hi all got mine 3 days ago and also a E8500, but i came from a nvidia chip7 and i can´t find any setings to OC my rig, also i don´t understand much how it works the voltages settings , can anyone give me a help on the settings to inpunt on the bios to get o good OC for a stable 24\7 rig
here´s the specs of my current rig
E8500
Biostar TPower 45
GSkill Pi 8800 4 Gigs
HD 4870
PSU Corsair HX 620
some Hard drives
CPU cooled under Water
thanks to all
Hi Ace, the bios is the last posted on the official website, the one from the 10th July 08.
1 stick or 2 sticks in dual channel don't change the situation, It still continues to visualize "E1" in Dual Channel and "d4" in single slot configuration.
Oh I made another try: I used a stick of mine Mushkin in the first slot and a stick of Corsair PC6400 in the third slot... It posted right.
So I entered as usual into the bios, put the ram in 1:1 at 4-4-4-12, saved and everything gone ok.
After that, pulled out the corsair stick and put back the Mushkin in Dual Channel... everything ok.
It seems that the biostar sets something strange that my memories don't want to accept... or viceversa...
Same thing happened time ago with cellshocks and other mobos...
Still waiting on mine, ordered from newegg on Monday, shipped from Edison NJ
on Tuesday and if im lucky maybe here on Friday lol.
first of all...forget the 4-4-4-12 for now...those are tight even at default speeds...Intel chipset really like to work at loose timings like 5-5-5-15 and tRFC of 48, at least...just because your memory worked at those tight settings on another board doesn't mean it will work on this one the same way.
also, have you tried increasing your Vdimm to see if you can hold 4-4-4-12?
Wanted to make my first post something useful (hopefully):
My BioStar TP-I45 will totally corrupt/wipe/destroy bios when any number FSB frequency 450 and up is entered. Code shown will be E9 on readout. Board is near dead at this stage, but can be restored by jumping through a few hoops:
1> Download the latest bios and rename to "AMIBOOT.ROM". Put on a floppy or FAT formatted USB stick.
2> Suggest pulling all juice, shorting bios and removing battery for 10 minutes (at least). 4 out of 5 times the restore would not complete without the battery being removed first.
3> Replace battery/CMos jumper and power on. Readout should show E9, then after a pause change to F something as the USB stick or floppy is read.
4> If you are lucky, your screen will come on during the last stages of the restore process and then it will reboot.
5> Again, if your are lucky, you will get into a fresh bios. If not, readout will hang on 03 or C0. If so, do all the above all over again, but make sure to pull the battery for a good while while shorting bios (15-30 minutes). Even pull the wiring harness from the MOBO. I had to do this 5 times before it "took" the last time, so don't give up.
6> Eventually you should get back up.
Anybody have any thoughts on why the hell this board will run fine at 449 with a 9450 Quad (3.58 Ghz), then totally hose the bios at 450? I do like the board, but this is frustrating. For the 9450 Quad I probably should have stayed with my beloved IP35 and IP35XL.
Btw, I have no problem when using setFSB to run up to 465, so it is not a corruption caused by pushing too far. Also, this occurs no matter the divider. So, 1-1 450 will do it as well 5/6 450/540
Present config: 9450 @ 3.58 @ 1.39 VCore/ 4g Gskill 8500 @ 448 5/6 @ 2.1 v. System is under water. I'll post other settings and voltages later when I get them stabilized.
Thoughts appreciated.
DD
it sounds like your boot block code is corrupted...the only way to correct that is to use this AFUDOS.exe program (compliments of Rebel Haven) and flash from external DOS...i would bet the internal flash does not flash the boot block unless the updated bios has it coded to write over those blocks, like an update is added to the newest bios...the afudos should automatically flash the boot block...just watch the flash and it should announce it is flashing that section...if it does not, do a "HELP" command to find the appropriate switch.
also The Rebels Haven has the latest bios for a quick download.
here is The Rebsls Haven Biostar TPower Bios/Beta page: http://www.lejabeach.com/Biostar/TPI45/
if all this fails to correct your problem, my best guess would be the bios chip itself is defective..return the board for replacement or RMA it to Biostar.
Mmmhhh, my mushkins are rated to go to 5-5-4-12@1066mhz with 2,2v so the problem isn't in the latencies but maybe I think that the problem could be the fact that they request a little higher voltage that the default for ddr2 of 1,8v.
So, unless I put it at 2v (1,8+0,200 in the bios), they don't start...
This should be correct but then why everything goes ok if I don't change any setting and simply put on a stick of corsair and a stick of mushkin?:shrug:
It's not logical...
i presume your 2nd stick of mushkin is not working correctly or requires higher voltage than the other mushkin stick....stick with the corsair.
Thanks. You got me thinking. I reflashed, and while I don't think it was the bootblock, I do think it was some residual corruption. Upshot is my 450 wall went away and I'm sitting at 3.755 ghz on the Q9450 with ram 469/fsb1877/mem 563 (5,5,5,15).
Not shabby on the 9450 and the GSkill 8500 is happy at 2.14 v.
Temps are decent via the water. Core 0 < 60 on RealTemp, but VCore is pumped higher than I'm happy with on a 45 core. Sitting at 1.44 vcore, NB 1.42, FSB 1.42.
All and all not a bad place to be in the early stages. Hopefully I can suck the NB and FSB back down.
No idea, I have beat on the board really hard and never experienced boot block corruption. I thought I had at one point, but it was a faulty cpu. I re-flash every so often, try diff bios etc., but it's been pretty sturdy.
One thing I have not done is test with a quad. Maybe there's something with that chip and this bios.
I'm thinking back to 3am a couple of days ago ... This started when I pushed way too hard and the system would not return from a bad OC. So now that I am thinking about it, I guess Ace was right, it must have been a corrupted bootblock. Odd thing was, before that this board always wiped all settings when returning from a bad oc, now the settings are still intact. I wonder if it was a bad flash from the factory?
Anyway I am happy as hell now. The new flash turned it all around and I don't think my I35P-XL could accomplish the same thing. 3.6 on this voltage was all I could do with it, though it was a quick and casual oc try.
I'm seeing 100 FPS+ from an h264 encode. This really shows off the quad as the 8400 turns about 50 FPS at the same clock. I suppose that makes sense as it is pretty much a half 9450.
I wish we had a SuperPi that used all cores available so we could actually gage and compare the work potential of these setups with each other. A single core benchmark doesn't really make any sense anymore. Is there such a thing that I've missed? Been away from the OC scene quite a while. Circa AW8D with a 930D@4.6 Ghz.
you ask, thy will receive!:D
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=176904
Hey all, gonna be getting this board in the next month or so, along with an E85/86 and I'm planning on going water. Are there any Mosfet WB's available for this board?
Thanks. He seems to be running 4 SuperPi's concurrently so it exercises the cpu cores pretty well, but the workload is not distributed. Still, you got me thinking and looking a round a bit and I think we have a candidate. Plus it is very cool to say the least.
The new POV multithread beta and a real cool render file.
My rig took 4m37s at 1280x1024, AA0.3 (Vista Business)
Btw, this really stesses the CPU. Temps are like Prime small ffts so it might be a good stability check as well.
If you get a chance, I'd love to see a comparison. Clean install and uninstall on this for me and easy to use. Just press load and browse to the render file.
Set the resolution and press run. Read the instructions and do not install for "all" users on Vista http://www.povray.org/beta/
104$ for open box at newegg gogo
http://www.overclockersonline.net/?p...um=1921&pnum=4
On the above review using a Thermalright Ultima 90, it looks like their was problems associated with interference with the Cooler Harbor fan upon installing the heatsink.
Anyone had any problems installing a (TRUE 120) Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 with the Biostar TPower I45?
any insight yet how this board performs with quads? Id like to get a Q9550 or X3660 close to 4ghz on water. Pondering about mobo... this one, P5Q-dlx or Maxi 2 Formula
Certainly looks like Biostar have struck a winner , you reckon it's the P45 equivalent of the Abit Ip35 ?? (apart from the lack of guru :lol:)
That refresh Counter looks interesting , looks like you can change Refresh Period (tRef) like Memset (see value above command rate ) , is that right ??
Only stock I could see available in the uk was 2 on Amazon last night.
Well, I got the board here now, but do not understand a thing about the BIOS.
On my old gigabyte motherboard i hat td the CPU Frequency Setting at 400,
Ratio CMOS setting x8
memory run same speed as cpu
In volts i got 1,375V @ CPU, memory were running at 2,2V.
Any help please?
~ Mortis360
i used the XIGMATEK Direct Touch H-1284, which is a broad heatsink...i had to flip the fan to the other side...it would not line up with the screw holes since the PWM lip interferred...so...i had to raise the fan slightly and use two plastic ties to hold the fan in place...i oriented the fan so the air would blow to the rear, away from the heatsink.
i should add that the raised heatsink was tucked right up against the CPU heatsink (1284)
SURPRISE...they have a Uguru alternative called "TPower2"....you can change alot of things in the bios from windows desktop...let me try to find an image to give you a reference point.
the only thing to mention, the changes have about a 5 second lag so you only want to click once and then wait for the five seconds to see the change has taken place.
Talk about pushing voltages on this board - whew!
Got a clock at 3,4Ghz stable at 1,43V.
Can take it to 3,8Ghz, but then it need 1,6V!
~ Mortis360
Great stuff looks like it has the lot then :) :up:Quote:
SURPRISE...they have a Uguru alternative called "TPower2"..
right!....and...there is a"Bio Watch" which is a review of the voltages and the ability to change the cpu and system fan speed...in the bios you have three controls for fan speed: cpu, system and NB fan...this is where i put my PWM riser add-on heatsink fan...it did a nice job of controlling the speed.
OK, found out something useful with my 9450 quad. My bios corruption, and hung boot problems were coming from what seems obvious now - lack of NB and FSB voltage.
So, if you have a quad don't mess around. Move up the NB and FSB voltages to > 1.50 like so many other boards require. I was trying to :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:foot around 1.39-1.42 v. It has caused me nothing but going half bald with bios restores, hung boots and kicked cats.
For some reason that I don't yet understand, using my Dominator or Ballistix ram really agravated this problem further. No doubt this board likes the GSkill 8500. It seems much less cantankerous with it. Still, it took 1.5-ish to gentle it down and get clean boots above 448. Something happens on this board when you cross 450. I don't get that yet, either.
I hope this saves some of you some aggro.
might require higher voltage, and maybe beyond your comfort zone.;)
can someone post a shot of the cache & memory benchmark test results at 4-4-4-8 around 570-575 fsb 1:1.
going down the "other timings" category on memset
4
25
10
10
10
3
8
4
4
3120T
2T
Thanks!
I think this board has some real slow latency versus some of the other boards... no doubt this is a great FSB board but latency appears to be a bit.... lacking!
i'm getting around 55 ns with strap tweak
I had the same troubles as you, with corrupted bios and not being able to post over 450fsb.
I used the AMI bios recovery method to bring my board back to life.
I thought the same as you more volts needed, but its not.
Changing the MCH GTL REF voltage from AUTO to 0.64xVTT got me over the 450fsb hurdle.
I am at 460fsb, occt 1hr stable after changing that setting, give it a try
NB/ SB voltage at 1.088 (+0.100v added to Chipset Voltage)
FSB voltage at 1.104 (+.0100v added to FSB Voltage)
Honestly mate, try it :)
i think that is what i had in latency but you can not argue with the results when you run a 32M SuperPI bench...i had the best ever bench on this board.
truthfully, it is not about the latency, it is about speed in computation...that is what you really want from a board and cpu.
WOW! I could give you a big old slobbery Dog kiss for finding this! Exactly as you said. My poorly ventilated case no longer smells like I was making coffee in it. Temps across the board have dropped a lot.
What type of ram are you using? I have not tried it again, but before I could not even use my 2g's of Dominator on this board past 400. Perhaps now I'll see something different.
Ace, put this one in the guide book :)
Adjusting gtls for fsb is pretty obvious no?
not sure this is for all users...i had my E8500 in auto for MCH GTLREF...i seem to remember trying several of those settings and i couldn't find a manual setting that made it work any better than leaving it in "Auto"...now...the quad cpu might require more finessing and that is where taking it out of Auto helps.