Ive topped out at 5.175Ghz for benching, 5Ghz should be 24.7 stable.
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Ive topped out at 5.175Ghz for benching, 5Ghz should be 24.7 stable.
^^^^Fugger I think i have missed ur earlier posts, but wud that be a 45nm QX or a E8400/8500???? In any case thats an amazing performance from a 300$ cooling kit.
i believe its a e8400/8500. im not too sure on its applicaton on a quad core... though it would be nice if it were possible... mabye i can get one and have it re-tuned/modded it to handle a quad... still would be cheaper than getting a mach ii gt or vapochill in the end... and would have better performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebanik
Fugger, what is on that cats head in your avatar? anti cia aluminum foil cap? i really dont know but its friggin funny thought.
Fugger is on E84/8500 last I knew.
Quad results (65nm) are in this thread.
ahh... no new developments then. so ryder, in your opinion would you say that it is quad capable or would further upgrades be necessary?Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
Is it safe to use this cryo-z inside a closed case (modded case of course Lian Li)?
I'm blind and only see 45nm quad results. There's q6600 results?
The only Quad results in this thread are mine and that is with a QX6850 which is 65nm, same as a Q6600: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&postcount=78 and post #61Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
CPU-z correctly identifies it as 65nm as well.
So yes, you are blind :ROTF: :D
No offense intended....
Thanks RyderOCZ.
That is interesting that anything more than 1.45v or so is not stable.
Kind of makes me worry. My q6600 requires 1.55v for 3.78ghz which isn't anything special. That basically translates to my current water cooling set up being better than this unit. 1.58v = 11*C? That doesn't sound good. I'm not interested in moving to a dual core as I'd probably use the phase to benchmark and do some gaming on.
RyderOCZ, don't worry about offending me. This is the internet. Good times for all! I need a break honestly, I can't comprehend anything anymore, lol. I appreciate that post.
soon?
I dunno where you took those info but certainly wasn't from Ryder's test...Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
He used 1.504v for the Prime95 tests and also toped at 1.58v... The voltage you see was due to Vdroop.
His cpu was giving up not the unit.
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Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
I thought that the unit going to 11C was too much load on the compressor?:confused:
What is the upperthreshold of the unit temp wise?
Shouldnt be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
The colder you get the less voltage you need for the OC. So you could prolly get up more 4ghz with the same voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
Thats what I'm talking about, thanks for the post!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet
There is noway a medium to good phase unit can be less effective to a 24/7 or OC setup then a WC kit.
Are you guys kidding?! :yepp:
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Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet
Thanks guys. I'm still learning.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
:up:
I'm officially without my PC now waiting on this unit :rofl:
Sold all my WC stuff and no news on when the Cryo will hit the sales floor :shrug: . Ryder any news from the North Pole?
I hope this doesn't turn out like the last time it was advertised to 'almost' be launched. :shakes:
From Ryder in the News section on this product:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
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I will make sure to get advanced info the day before they are going up on the site.
Ok?
Do not go over there every day this next week or so and look, we are waiting on some certification paperwork.
is it safe to say that if you dont snatch one of these up right away theyll be history? im quite interested but not sure if im ready for the plunge
and how do i get on in UK ??
got the cash just show me where ! 300usd is about 150 gbp aka less than my WC loop cost !
OCZ already said they won't sell a 220v version nor ship to EU. Only in US.Quote:
Originally Posted by yokomo
Otherwise you would have to paypal someone here to get one for you and ship it somehow (30kilos is a lot to ship)!
But the units are not out yet and there is no news on when they can came out.
no fair !
and big shame really as they would sell as fast as they could make them at those prices.
really want to see an in depth review
Charles is working on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoffsthaboss
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=124
bad idea.... i called it in the news thread that we wouldn't see these before the end of april. i think that was optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
waiting still :down: - performance for 300 USD :up: ;) :D
Not that I have seen anything on this specific topic, but has OCZ mentioned anything about mobo prep outside of the online manual? Most people here will probably not use the heating element, and ocz still doesn't discuss the use of dielectric grease. Will any of this come standard or is this unit a "use at your own discretion" thing?
I'm not concerned since XS has a lot of info on mobo prep. I'm just wondering since some people out there NOT on XS might get thier hands on one and lose thier CPU/mobo to condensation in the socket.
Good call man....good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
I'm an absolute n00b when it comes to extreme cooling. I've done pre-built WC kits before and finally have my current computer set up w/ a custom loop. Nothing special, but at least I am making the jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by GripS
I am just kinda worried that someone who doesn't know enough might just get it, follow the instructions, set it up and BAM, fried CPU, fried MOBO! Hell, if I get my hands on one of these guys, I'll probably be the jerk posting 10,000 questions since I've never used a phase unit (If i am so lucky to get one).
I just hope for any n00b's sake that OCZ does give a tube of dielectric grease and whatever else is needed to keep your computer for becoming a very expensive pile of crap.
No dilectric grease is included. If you insulate well, you shouldn't need it.
24/7 phasers would probably want it, you want to be triple safe. I still can't see leaving a unit on while I am asleep, but that is just me.
Benching for 4 hours here and no condensation with good insulation, I could go 8 no problem.
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Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
I don't know what I'm most scared off :ROTF: to brush this thing on the socket or just use stock insulation only:Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/180...insockebz2.jpg
That pic scares the hell out of me too, Jor3lBR. I know that the dielectric grease is safe, but eh, I don't know. Reselling would be a PITA to say the least.
RyderOCZ, I might actually use the phase unit as a main PC once I upgrade from my q6600, which would be 8 -12 hours max a day (usually 6 hours of on time most of the week per day). I'd rather be overly prepared instead of chancing for condensation since the mobo prep isn't very costly compared to the parts. Thanks for the response. I'm still trying to figure everything out and you've been a big help so far. :up:
It rinses right away with water and a toothbrush. Then you just dry the board with compressed air (I do anyway) Just don't let water sit in the socket, the pins will corrode, you want it totally dry before you leave it sit for any length of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
lol have you actually tried thatQuote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
there is no way in hell that will work
and second of all i can guarantee you 1000% you will bend the pins
AMD CPUs had much firmer fins but i could not get the grease off the CPUs with toothbrush and water or any other solvent which is supposed to dissolve the grease
once it's in there you just have to live with it or you could give the whole mobo a soap bath and then bake it at very low temps for an hour or whatever to dry it heheheh (i can show you photos of the second method :rofl: )
Hey Ryder,Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
I saw your post linking FUGGER's new comments on the unit.
So paperwork aside, will OCZ tune the units taking those notes in consideration before ready to ship?
Jor3lBR,
I have no idea right now what, if any, changes are being made based on Fugger's comments.
Thanks for the info dinos22. I would like to see a pic of you backing a mobo!:up: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I guess I should ask a more intelligent question. With stock cooling (say stock intel cooler) will the grease actually cause a problem? I wouldn't think so, but I don't know.:shrug:
Most people you can sell to have never even looked inside a computer, so as long as it won't cause any problems, I'm down. :p:
If it runs with Phase, then it will run with stock cooling... CPU operation does no change between the 2 methods of cooling...accept the speed/temp :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
PERFECT!:up: :D
So please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the consensus is the Cryo-Z wouldn't be ideal to use when overclocking a 45nm Q9550 system, but it would do well on a 65nm Q6700 one, because of voltage/power reasons, yes? TIA!
Other way around if anything ;)
If you put to much or you run the board in a case with the stock cooler the grease will eventually liquefy and run out of the socket due to the heat. When the board cools back down it will solidify again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
Cleans right up with commercial electronics cleaning solutions leaving no trace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
Dry or Until DONE???:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinos22
How long until DONE?...:D
And be sure to use a very soft bristled toothbrush or the cpu pins will look like a drunk plowed the cornfield...
So.... it was coming out last week, then it was coming out this week... and now we're back to no ETA?
Edit: Yes, that statement was made not including all the other times it was "coming out soon". Maybe I got my hopes up thinking this time OCZ really meant it :shrug:
i think ocz bit off a lil more than they can chew on this. it was suppose to be out for awhile now from what ive read and yet its still not here. i had my hopes up but until i see something im not to concerned about it anymore. my modded cool it does a great job for now.
I've been purchasing my fair share of OCZ products over the years and have enjoyed all of them, so I'm not trying to bash anyone or anything here.
However, it seems to have gotten rather ridiculous with all this Cryo-Z information.
Every few months word makes it around that the unit is coming out "very soon"... and then nothing is heard for weeks even months at a time after that. This is at least the third time I have personally read that the Cryo-Z was coming out "soon." Assuming I'm not completely in the loop, I'd have to assume it's probably been more than three times total.
I have to, frankly, question whether the unit will ever be sold publicly. As it is, anyone holding their breath waiting for the unit to be released has long since died.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
On a positive note, "holding my breath" has really kept my wallet fat and healthy. Oh, the upgrades I'd buy if I wasn't waiting for this. :p:
Strange..... I don't recall anybody from OCZ stating when the exact date would be. I'm betting there are several factors still at play here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serra
I'd much rather have a product that's thoroughly and completely tested than one that's rushed to market with flaws.
Exactly...... I believe this is the real reason why we are waiting so long. I'd rather have a product that will work and not ruin my system.Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
Remember people, governments love red tape, and they orgasm over comercial red tape, and that crap takes lots of time!I gurentee you they're pissed at OCz too about it.
The Cryo-Z could NOT be "rushed" at this point. A unit can only be delayed, falsely "launched", and hinted at so many times before it just gets silly.
OCZ is not a stupid company, and they do not have stupid employees. I think they've known very well most of the times they've talked about the Cryo-Z that they had NO intention of launching it and were simply trying to hype it up.
This most recent time, I believed them and I was on the verge of ordering one once they came up on the site.
Now, frankly, I am left much much less than impressed and am simply done waiting. Ordered a watercooling loop. I don't have time to deal with this PR nonsense anymore.
Now don't go and hate on me because you want to suck up to some OCZ reps, please, I won't bother to so much as respond.
I still want an explanation of why this offends so many people?
I know that personally I put off getting a watercooling loop for a very long time, because I wanted the Cryo-Z. I guess after continuing to hear rumors and speculation, in conjunction with the occasional "it's coming 'soon,'" I got frustrated and disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
I like OCZ as a whole, over the years I've purchased OCZ products ranging from CPU coolers, to RAM, to power supplies. All in all, I've been impressed with both the quality and appearance of OCZ's products.
I suppose I'm just bitter about waiting so long for the Cryo-Z. Perhaps I'm in the wrong, but it's simply how I feel.
:shrug: Dang I sold all CPU loop (rad + pump + fuzion) this last week when I heard that it was coming out by the end of April.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
Now I don't know what to do if the same thing happens again! :shocked:
No...I have no more info about when, paperwork is a PITA.
I finally got a 45nm Dually to play with and since I am not much of an Extreme OC'er...I think I did rather well :)
Aquamark:
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/aquamark_244139.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/aquamark_250192.jpg
3DMark 2001:
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/3d01_79834.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/3d01_82019.jpg
The best part of the day :D
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/superpi_1m_8s984.jpg
4M and 8M:
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/superpi_4m_52s281.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/superpi_8m_1m58891.jpg
cOOL Ryder :up: Nice 8.9s Spi!!!
Do you wanna sell me your Cryo? :yepp: :yepp: :yepp:
Nice results Ryder. Your making me miss my cascade :p:
Personally I'm throwing in the towel on this unit. It was announced in '06, said to be out last fall, then almost ready and so on. I didn't want it for 24/7 use. I've had my tagan aplus black pearl case empty since the end of quakecon last year, waiting on this unit. With Quakecon competitions but a few months away, it's time to just order a custom phase unit and begin benchmarking. Good luck to those with time to wait on this unit. It does look promising, but you can't win an overclock contest with hardware you've had a month and this unit looks like it won't be available before summer.
i have a theory on the delays. since ryder keeps saying its "paperwork" i have no reason to believe otherwise as far as the delays. perhaps since phase change units are not conventional pieces of hardware, nobody will insure them for shipment? i work closely with ups and fedex and after reading through the service guides, there is no mention of a phase change unit. do you think that this "paperwork" is an attempt to get a 3rd party insurance carrier? i know that fedex and ups would try to back out on insuring these things at first sight. ups damage claims is a joke and fedex is getting that way as well. mabye ocz doesnt want to lose tons of money shipping these things out through carriers that potentially could damage 30% or more of the shipped units due to their handling?
this is my THEORY and thus i wait.
here is a quote from the fedex ground service guide
section D
"Packages containing all or part of the following items are limited to a maximum declared value of $100:"
part 11
"Any commodity that by its inherent nature is particularly susceptible to damage or the market value of which is particularly variable or difficult to ascertain."
that means that fedex ground is only liable to pay $100 for the insured claim no matter what the insured amount.
can anyone verify that these are the circumstances?
I don't think your reading it right.
That is a disclaimer for when someone ships a fragile item,(i.e. glass) insures it for an ungodly amount and says that it irreplacable. Not for sub-$300 "refrigerators" which aren't "fragile".
If any shipping negotiations are in place, it is to figure out how to ship a 30lb item anywhere in the country for $35.
fedex nor ups will insure glass at all. im not reading it wrong, if a claims adjuster came out and looked at a damaged phase change (any damaged package is subject to inspection), they would go to this exact line in the service guide as a way to :banana::banana::banana::banana: you. trust me, i deal with this so much im going to get a tumor. this is probably why there is so much paperwork to be done. if it were me shipping out mass quantities of these i would get it in writing that it would be covered. its different working as a indepenant builder and as a large corporation. if a phase unit is damaged, it is sent back to you and you fix it. all it costs you is time and parts. a phase that is broken and sent back to ocz costs more money because they have to pay their tech to do the repair plus parts. honestly, if there were a bigger segment of phase users, you would be very valuable to a manufacturer as a warranty repair tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by killermiller
its not hard to ship 30lbs for $35. become an aso (authorized shipping outlet) and you will see that you can get over 60% discount for every package. $35 is about right to ship from california to new york ground + packing materials as the cost of shipment would only be about $18 in reality *hint hint*
aso discounts are based on tier though, and tiers are based on volume. so whoever the agent is that sets them up would have to put them into a good tier level to start out with... though being ocz im sure thats already locked down years ago.
when you go to a fedex store or ups store to ship, or even have a personal account, you are paying between 60% - 80% more than actual cost.
if anybody has any inquires as to how the shipping game is played, pm me as this is a bit off topic.
once again, this is all speculation. but if its paperwork holding these things back, i bet this is the reason.
Obviously you work with/for a carrier as/a carrier/clerk/logistical support but obviously don't work with phase units very much. They are nothing more than refrigerators. Instead of an evaporator coil they have an evaporator block. If built and packet properly these units are far from fragile. I bet money that they wouldn't deny a claim if they damaged a somehow but you functioning refrigerator or other appliance. This isn't some sort of conspiricy theory, trust me.
Paperwork is a broad term and your speculations are assumptions at best. It probably isn't even traditional "paperwork". They could be working on how to pay workers who assemble these. If they can build these, they can just as easily be an apprectice in the HVAC/Refrigeration industry making at least a couple buck over minimum wage. If they pay to litte they get crap people who don't do well at their job and cost warranty returns anyway.
Long story short, you have no idea what the delay is. In the company where I work, if the bossman approves a project and it doesn't meet the deadline the bossman wants to know WTF. Our 3 post haven't even scratched the surface and honestly I hope this thread dies a quick death.
Guys...the units are built. Nobody has to assemble anything. Some of you have seen the photos.... the units are at OCZ in California.
Shipping is handled.
Sorry for being vague...but I am just not going to say more and I shouldn't have to. Everybody wants to know everything about everyone now days... too bad ;) :p: :D
It really is just final details about, how this and when that, ok? :)
So Ryder when you sending me a unit to test? :p:
i manage the 3rd largest volume fedex distributor center in southern california. that includes ups stores and kinkos so you get an idea where im coming from. you dont even want to know what a package goes through before it gets to your front door. 5%-9% of all packages sent will arrive damaged, do you think that that either company could be making the money that they do if they honored all the damage claims for the insured amount? these are not arbitrary numbers btw. this is a figure based upon damage claims vs packages shipped in the year 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008 through our hub w/ a survey of over 30,000 packages per year. 100% of the claims that were denied were due to customer packed packages as it seems the general public does not know the regulations needed for shipping properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by killermiller
take for example. say you send a gold bar fedex that is worth $5000 and you go into a store and ship it with the insured amount. do you know what you would get back if it ended up getting stolen or lost during tranist? exactly $100
as far as appliances go like refridgerators, if they are damaged, they are usually scrapped at the manufacturers expense as the insurable amount is not enough to cover the repair costs. they go to a depot where they are either parted out or repaired and re-sold by whoever owns the depot. i know as i worked for one repairing appliances when i lived in florida. the name of the place is Art's TV and Appliances in Fort Walton Beach. please look it up if you are so inclined (bunch of rednecks anyways... their favorite motto in the shop... GET ER DONE :confused: ) they also serve as a GE and Kenmore depot, where my job was to recieve the damaged appliances and repair them so they can be re-sold for 100% profit minus the cost of parts and wages.
drop a refrigerator from 3 feet and it will break, thus will not be insured through a major carrier. same with a microwave, or most other appliances. have you ever seen a sorting hub? do you know how exactly your packages are handled? to put it short, its a game on how far you can throw it so you dont have to walk.
*edited because im really a nice guy*
you are right this thread should die,and i hope this long and boring pointless post will kill it.
Good results with quality issues again.:rolleyes: I would have thought that any unit ocz sent out for review would have went through the quality inspection we've heard of.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoner
Why is it when these guys, or other review sites for different products, always start out by saying something like...
"It is important to note that this is not a review or a comprehensive analysis, as we only had a few hours to look at the unit in operation, but we were happy with what we saw."
Why do a write up on something when you only have a few hours to look at it. Why even send them a unit if they are only going to give it a few hours.
Another month has past, no additional info or word as to when these units will be available? What about FUGGER? What's happended with yours have you been getting good use out of it??
Holy damn, 8.9?
Nice, nice. (This is starting to my position on retial or custom unit/s. )
O:
It's been almost 6 months with loads of 'now' obsolete hardware on my closet, back then it was top of the notch blocks, rads, pumps, kits etc (waiting on the cryo-z).:rofl:
:rofl:
It's comical even when it's tragical!
I suspect most reviews are written by Enthusiasts with varying degrees of technical knowledge. They provide their opinion based on their previous knowledge/experience & any biases they may or may not have ( I would bet a positive bias gets you free hardware for reviews)(negative bias does not) Now don't throw every one into that boat,Fugger had a OZC and publicly made a few recommendations to improve the unit .IIRC.....it had to do with the controller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye
Actually a company wants to find flaws and defects while in the pre-production stage. changes are less costly. There is nothing more costly than having to make a 100% refund. Then the old saying " you can do 1000 things right and no one hears about it,but 1 failure and the whole world knows" I still believe most people are honest and want to produce a good product. After all thats the foundation for a long lasting successful business.
I doubt not many reviews are written by a Independent Engineer or organization such as UL (underwriters laboratories)using expensive test equipment and hard numbers using standardized testing methods.
Then cooling being what it is ,external environmental factors affect performance. So there's room to fudge numbers a bit. I haven't seen the line "Tested @ Standard Temperature @ Atmosphere" there is a very specfic definition for those words....... Some consumers may buy a product solely on a given spec if is 2 degrees colder than another model.
I thought about getting better cooling and maybe some good numbers :D.
I'm still waiting patiently here, I hope OCZ can get the units rolling ASAP :).
Any updates?
nah... it will be anohter 6 months before the buff comes then goes away for another 6 months...
I plan on playing Duke Nukem Forever before this unit is in stores. Too bad there is no reason to give for the extreme lateness of the Cryo-Z. I imagine it must be something very, very embarrassing for OCZ otherwise why not explain to us why it's been delayed so many times? Also why does OCZ even list it on their website?
OCZ didn't take any customers money in advance,no one is out a penny. The only thing they may be guilty of is raising expetations of a delivery date and not meeting them. Maybe someones feelings are hurt but no ones Bank account is.
In reality the only one out any dough is OCZ themselfs . You guys complaining ,how would you feel if you paid for a unit in full and a year latter are still waiting.......like many others......
Give OCZ a little credit.
Been available for a while now. As much complaining as there has been driving to pick it up shouldn't be a problem.
OCZ Cryo-Z
Yay if its true, love the max stable load of 120W, woohoo for overclocking celerons! :)
I saw several Units at Central Computer's Stevens Creek location in San Jose, CA. So They are out there, And they are in stores.
I might be receiving one of these for review. Right now it's only been hinted in a "what would you think about reviewing an OCZ Cryo-Z" to which I initially responded "why would I review a project that was canned". I'll check tomorrow to see if I can still get my hands on one of these. If so then I'll give it a thorough run-down and then tear it to pieces :up:
I think it would be great for a gpu.
So their hole problem is shipping?! They ship Fridges but they can't ship a tiny compressor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
Funny that Praz new this but OCZ didn't :rofl:
According to FUGGER and Ryder tests they where beating 200w.Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
so even at only 120w capability what would the temp be at 5.0 loaded penryn ??
would it still keep sub 0 ?? -10 ????? anyone..........
lucky me in Arizona but still 200.00 in gas in a cage to get thier
guess could strap it onto the bike for 80 bucks in gas
I got me one of these machines.
2v on qx9650 and it is still frozen at -10c
uh... yes he does have one:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMulta
wow that sounds good ! thx
Pics because it happened.
http://img.techpowerup.org/080830/1264.jpg
This piece is very big, I had to cut some of it off to fit between the chipset heatsinks on my motherboard.
http://img.techpowerup.org/080830/2819.jpg
Those 2 fans IMO put out more noise than this phase does.
:up: thanks for the pic's
That's actually not good, that simply means the temperature setup isn't reading properly.Quote:
2v on qx9650 and it is still frozen at -10c
Well that's inside my bios, and with speed fan.
With real temp it is still frozen and shows no movement I have pics, but they are on my other HDD that decided to die on me....and this chip does not like to go past -10c no more. I need to RMA it.
I'm waiting on a e6700 on loan but it didn't show up today.
In bios? That's a no load shot, really almost doesn't matter what vcore your running then.
well it's the same in windows.
I don't know what the load is off the top of my head, but it does heat up when you start working it. I think it was around 30-40c on load.(I think 50-50)
Best was to run it around 1.6v 1.7 and the quad at 4.5Ghz
This was stable for the most part.
like I said my temp shots are on the dead HDD.
http://img.techpowerup.org/080830/12121.jpg
I did find this one. This is at 1.41 I don't think this is load tho.....
Wait positive 30C?
I digress - i told him that was a no go...
For 800.00 you could buy 2,make a copper spreader block mount both to one CPU IHS and get @ least 240 watts for 800.00. one unit fails you can still run your rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
A lot of guys are charging more than 800.00 for just promises of 240 watts, any many of those are un-kept.
I bet they lowered expectations a little because ambient environment affects temps.
They also say 0 watts @ idle, Well unless the the head and the suction line was in a deep vacuum chamber there is never a 0 watt load........ ever on the head........Even a cpu @ idle has a heat output.A head sitting in air extracts heat.
I don't think they ever intended to make a extreme phase unit,but a introducty one where one can move from air or just plain water. A First step into phase. for a very good price.
BTW: Don't throw Stones if you live in a glass house, Did Confucius say say that ???? LOL. ;)
I've found the trick in the end, is to have all the stones ;)Quote:
BTW: Don't throw Stones if you live in a glass house, Did Confucius say say that ???? LOL.
No the trick in business is never give anyone a reason to throw a stone at you, then you'll do well....;) And you won't have a pile of useless stones . :yepp: And if you work hard and treat people fair, you may even end up with a gold brick or two...........:)Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
:up: thats how it works ok .. at least with me :D
heck a used unit ( chilly's , vapo's ) gets 350 now daze & may not fit your set up without extra money throwen at it .
and a TEC set up after all is said & done will run ya at least 400 bucks ( with the good stuff ...artic spider and meanwell ect...)
to have a good starting unit in ss for this amount is great !
let alone haveing all you need to mod later ;)