haha yea gotta have something to drive them to fix something.Quote:
Originally Posted by redmodel
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haha yea gotta have something to drive them to fix something.Quote:
Originally Posted by redmodel
Yeah bad performance is probably due to the missing snoop filter option in Bios.
I have it crunching now BTW, out put isn't too bad (about half of what it should be)
Snoop Filter its a option for Web server mostly , i have done some reseach with Tyan X5400 with snoop filter enable and the same cpu , mem , etc and the performance again its not the same , Z7S-WS again slow. I will install today red hat enterprise to see any benefit in web server , ggggggg
Just a little Update, I had some talks with Asus Tech support and they forwarded all the information to Taiwan, hopefully there will be a new bios soon.
I also changed the memcoolers for some aftermarket ones ("Alpenföhn Rambock", don't make me translate that :ROTF: ) - they are passive heatpipe-based coolers and seem to work fine, ramtemp is holding steady at 50C under load w/o any airflow :)
Oh, and I bought a "home" for the rig now, so that it doesn't need to lie on the table any more :D
What I got for it is this - will be able to house the 8 HDDs I have planned + more...
Got a good price, considering I don't need to mod the case for watercooling (wouldn't have time atm anyways)
hmmm... it won't let me look without reg.
it is a "Yeong Yang Super Cube Server Case" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
Ah that's because it's in the buy/sell department, sorry.
But I will post new pics next week anyway so stay tuned...
Mein Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut.
Ok so I got a picture of my new ramcoolers for you guys, check it out:
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilder/rambock.jpg
They should manage to keep the ram within operating temps all the way to 1,9V - without a fan, yay!
Looks nice! :D
those look great jcool! bear copper :up:
Funny thing is, they are dirt cheap. Like 10 bucks a piece ^^
:shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Ok, time for you to get into exporting!
Wouldn't mind a good dozen of those myself..:up:
Doesnt the buffer chip stick out further than the ram chips?
Yeah it does, pain in the ass to mount. But the ramcoolers come with 4 heatpads, 2 thick and 2 thin. I used a thin one for the side w/o the buffer chip and cut the 2 thick ones so they covered the rams left and right of the buffer chip on the other side. That way, the rams + heatpads are about the same height as the chip. I used Arctic Silver on the chip itself, even though there is a good amount of pressure on the chip and I was kinda scared it would break - well, it's tougher than it looks, obviously. :up:
will they work with dimms in slots right beside one another or do you need a empty slot in between?
cut a tube off each (alternating) and you would be able to
They are nice looking, like the ones that OCZ had..Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Yes, easily. No need to cut anything off, as you can remove or relocate the two tubes any way you like, plus you can nest the fins into one another so they will fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
You'll see soon, as I have ordered another 4 gigs of these wonderful FBDimms (and I have to put them in the last 2 white slots for quadchannel to work)
If it works with OCZ Reaper, it works a 100 times easier with these (the fins aren't nearly as dense)
http://database.he-computer.de/kundensysteme/trisli.jpg
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
You know Movieman, I guess I could send you a few over as a "gift" (meaning bribe, so you won't call me :D :rofl: )
But,But I want to practice my German..Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
einz,drei, fier,fumph,(??)sieben,acht,neun,zein..
Damn, thats all I can remember..:rofl:
Not really, lol ;) Eins, zwei, drei, vier, fünf and so on.
Seriously, sending sth to the U.S. is friggin expensive... I'll have to check other postal services if you guys really do want them (or anything other from here around the corner, like Mips/Watercool/Aquacomputer stuff)
How strict is customs these days, anyway - think they would allow for 20 ramcoolers to go as a gift :cool:
Thanks for the German lesson.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I looked at a book "Elementary German" back in the late 60's and thats all I could remember.. Tough language, all in the throat.
As to US customs, they are pretty cool.
I've had clovers come in from overseas and other items and never charged but shipping costs from Europe to the US are a Biatch. Not bad from here to there though.
Depends on weight really, I can get a 2kg package sent to the US for 12€ which is okay, but anything above that and it gets evil (35€ for 5kg).
And yeah, German is a tough language to learn, wouldn't wanna do it - had enough trouble with French, but sometimes it pays off to speak a lot of languages.
Lets see, at todays valuations 12 euro's is probably $1,274,739.00 US..Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Nope, can't do that..:rofl:
excellent! i want a pair too xD hahahahaha. They look fantastic jcool.
keke :up:
Hmm how much to send a couple of those over here to Aust? Thermalright HR-07's are about AU$30-50 a pop (say 17-30 euro), which is a bit steep for RAM coolers.
Eller
wow that is pretty expensive... I am currently selling my pair away haha but you are in Australia. Bah,,, unless you plan on waiting till july for the pair xD.Quote:
Originally Posted by karl_eller
Great news guys: Asus finally released a new Bios fopr the Z7S WS just this morning.
Will flash asap and tell you how it goes. Hopefully my Dual Harper can now unleash its full potential.
Edit: Wow, some cool new features there, including an option called "SF Bypass" which is the dreaded Snoop Filter, yay. Now I only need to find out if it has to be enabled or disabled...
awesome jcool! Hope it does unleash the power of your rig. Good luck :up:!
You bet it does :D
First run Cinebench R10 @ 3,00Ghz gives me 39s :up:
congrats... hopefully everything runs fine and you can unleash the power completly!Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
39s, nice! makes me even more jealous hehe. if this bios fixes most of the problems i think it would be a hard choice between it and Intel's SK, especially since it's $170 cheaper here in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2fink
Most of the problems? I had no problems whatsoever, except for the lame performance. And now that the performance is fixed, too, I just love this rig :)
HCC WUs complete in ~3:20 at 3,2Ghz which seems about right (considering it's crunching 8 simultaneously :D ) and Cinebench is down to 36-37s.
Benches/1st Post Edit and so on later/tomorrow when I get the Yeon Yang cube.
Nice!!! So the Z7S is going along nicely. Now, you better not take it off the grid! Normal maintenence is only once every 50,000,000 points!Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
hahaha! and jcool, very nice :clap:!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
The rig has been lying on a wooden table for the past weeks, crunching all the time. I can see some strange burn-like traces on the table already :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
So I think she deserves a day off, don't you :ROTF:
I think you should mount wheels xD
Some benchies:
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde.../CBR10_fix.jpg
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...arper/NC_3.jpg
Now that's what I would call 0wn4ge :D
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...per/sandra.jpg
All benches at 430*7,5 which is my 24h stable crunch setting :)
That IS 0wn4ge! You, my good sir, are XTREME. :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Congrats on such an awesome system! Also, you can give her a day off... but only this once! Get her in a case, and then she'll be even better!
Thanks for the heads-up :)
I must say I am really pleased with the setup now and I would recommend it to anyone who is able and willig to spend that much. Of course, two Q6600@3,6Ghz are equally fast and cost less, but where is the fun in that :D
Also considering the points-per-Watt ratio of this setup, it seems hard to beat. Gotta think about the environment, what with all those freaks and their phase units :wasntme:
8 WUs in 3:20h average with ~570 WCG points claimed per result totals about 1425 WCG points or 203 BOINC points per hour of runtime, with a power drain of ~250W running HCC, so that makes 5,7 WCG/0,812 BOINC points-per-Watt or 34200/4885,7 WCG/BOINC points per day/6KW.
Is that in any way remotely correct? I hate maths :shrug: :rolleyes:
looks good to me..:up: :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
glad to see it working for you:up: are you going to do any direct benches against skulltraill i would like to see that
We need vcore mod!
Did you receive a new bios from Asus , ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by klajd
Excellent jcool. Glad to hear that the new BIOS definitely and for sure... increased your performance. The fact remains, I am still hearing voices to go out and purchase a dual quadcore setup -.-...
hahahaha. :up: :D
This is great news, I have mine sitting in a box waiting for the new bios.. but I can't put it together for another couple of weeks until i finish my current project.
Is that cinebench 64 or 32bit?
I think i was getting worse numbers on the dseb-dg board with dual e5450s. Although, that had 667mhz FB-Dimms. Which I am thinking i should probably sell and replace with 800mhz now.
Did you have hardware Prefetcher off too?
it also doing a quick glance, it looks like I can put on the HR-05/FX cooler to replace the northbridge, and not have to mod the HR-01-Xs
but the cooler on the NB is pretty hardcore looking as it is. It'd be a waste not to use it on something else.
Maybe if Wes has some time, some day :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by msimax
Even though ST can't handle that kind of FSB as it seems :p:
That wouldn't help me I'm afraid. I tried yesterday with mult 7 if I could go higher and I can't. Prime smallFFT reboots, which means my CPUs are at their FSB limit. Small wonder considering they only get 1,07V VTT. So me, I'd need a VTT setting to go further.Quote:
We need vcore mod!
@klajd: No, but I sent the Asus Techsupport everything we found out (about the SF and such) and it seems we were heard. Friend of mine discovered the file on the Asus ftp yesterday morning and thankfully, he told me.
@redmodel: No, both HW prefetcher options are set to enabled. I tried again with the new bios and couldn't find any differences in Nuclearus, Cinebench etc. so I left them on. Just set SF Bypass to enable and you're good. I also have EIST/C1E enabled, so it goes down to 2560Mhz and 1,05V or something :D
Bench is 64bit like it says in the screenshot ;)
The HR-05 IFX will fit the NB with unmodified HR-01 X, but its bottom plate has a surface area vastly smaller than the IHS of the 5400 northbridge. Friend of mine uses it and says it works well, but I'm not a friend of small coolers on large heatspreaders.
On another note, it seems that my Z7S is NOT cheating about the mem speed, benchmarks indicate there is no throttling or wrong divider involved. :up:
However, a friend's Z7S is cheating somehow. He runs his 667 FBDimms at a reported 412Mhz (which can't be true obviously) and gets horrible ram bandwidth benches, less than me at stock 333.
So be careful with clocking 667 FBDimms too high, at some point the mobo will reduce performance. However it seems to generally be able to clock the mem higher than other boards.
these results are really good. with some nice watercooling and a good 360 radiator the rig would be very quiet and could be used as a daily workstation.
Yeah, I thought I needed wc too, but in fact, I don't.
Everything runs passive except for 2 Noisblocker XE1 120mm fans at 1000RPM max, which is already very silent when put in a case.
So actually, I will have a wc setup solely for the raidcontroller and the HDDs for now :lol: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF:
JCOOL , thanks for the great info , the link that you provide dont work, can you send by atach in my email klajdis@yahoo.com
I have to check the real performance in 3dmark 2006 , and 3dmark vantage ...
Thanks for the info!! It is really appreciated!! I'm looking for this setup to replace my P4!!
Heh.. yea I've been really busy. Not to mention ST is half ripped apart right now, still trying to figure out that SLI issue. (Its not my memory, only happens when both cards are installed, but each card works perfect by itself.)Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Either way, let me know what benchies you guys want and i'll see what I can do.
I just checked it and the link works perfectly fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by klajd
Just go to the Asus ftp and browse your way through, the new bios release is the only one that's currently on their ftp site.
ftp://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/s...1/Z7S_WS/BIOS/
@Wes: For an easy comparison, you should set 400*7,5 as your clock, that way we both have the same mhz essentially and it all comes down to the mobo. Cinebench, Nuclearus and other stuff people are free to suggest.
If you can get the FSB higher for benches it will be even better, I can bench at 440 max.
But first get your problems sorted out, I'm really feeling for you man :(
for 1 month finaly a good test with this board , Thanks JCOOL for the bios .
Tomorow i will run some other test to share my expericence , maximum for today is 3200 MHZ , and imposible more , 400 FSB x 8 multi
Just be careful. If you overclock your hamster too far bad things can happen.
its just a 9600 gt for test , this system go with 2 x 3870 crossfire oc 24,533 on 3dmark ...
My "Hamster" is running stock volts, meaning 1,14V Vcore and 1,07V VTT, no damage done so far :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
@klajd: Good to see it works for you, too.
This makes me so jealous. I see that you finally found a replacement card (looking at your sig).
Wait till you see the home it's getting (hopefully today) :D
And yes, I replaced the PCI vid card with a cheapo-ATI that I got for 10 bucks from a friend. It's not too bad, has some basic 3D functions, both vga and DVI output and enough memory to display nicely on a 24" screen.
Increased my power drain by 10W over the PCI GFX card though...
Omg... just went through the ordeal of removing and re-installing the HR-01 X like 5 times in a row. :rolleyes: :eek:
Every time I had them mounted and the mobo inside the case, something was off (mobo bending/HSF not making good contact/etc)
Took me 5 hours to put a few parts into a case... which I would normally do in like 10 minutes. Damn how I hate aircooling :mad:
Anyway, at the end of the day it's working and looking good even, I also replaced the NB cooler for something more fitting and capable (you guessed it - another "Alpenföhn" product :ROTF: )
Will upload some pics later, gotta get some sleep now to try and regenerate what's left of my nerves.
Wow 5 times. Excessive hahaha. Anways looking forward to those pictures. ^^
Yup, I've had that. Ever since I always mount as much as I can outside of the case, check everything three times and only then put it in the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
That's exactly what I did and what caused the problems :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Martijn
I couldn't see the bending with the mobo lying flat in front of me, only when mounted in a case the upper right edge came down etc :rolleyes:
But now I got it ready and running, crunched all night w/o fail, temps are good and the rig is extremely quiet, too (only 4 120mm Noiseblocker XE1 fans at ~800rpm).
I guess I won't go WC on that one, except for a single rad that will cool the Adaptec 5405 raidcontroller (lasts not even 5 minutes with the stock passive HSF :ROTF::mad: ) and the HDDs...
How cool is this build
Sick Jcool
makes 24/7 4.2+ phase quads look Dare i say it normal !!!!
I want one
Credit card in hand help me !!!!!!
Thanks man :up:
Even though my SS unit seems more sick to me :D
Anyway, for a cruncher it's unbeatable, especially considering Power-per-Watt.
BTW I forgot I promised you guys new pics... gonna shoot some real quick now :rolleyes:
Edit: here we go :cool:
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1019.jpg
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1020.jpg
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1023.jpg
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1025.jpg
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1026.jpg
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1028.jpg
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1030.jpg
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! :up:
booooteeeefulll. nice rig :up:
Thanks guys :)
As you can see it's prepped fo some heavy duty watercooling... could house a Triple, Dual and two single 120mm rads as it is.
Strangely enough, I won't need any of them except for one single 120mm for HDDs and the raidcon as I said earlier - the rest is already well cooled :shrug: :yepp:
Oh and ignore the dust and missing screws, this is just temporary :wasntme:
Very nicely done!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
( but I'll have your ass in cinebench before midnight my time)
:wasntme:
Yeah, but you won't keep being in front of me as long as you don't lay 2000 bucks on the table for some Xtreme Quads :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
:owned: What a come back! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
If Dave didn't have to spend so much time and money taking care of "Dear Old" he would have a rig able to melt your socks. :D :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Well. That's probably true too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
I really don't wanna know who "Dear Old" is, now do I? :D
^ Negative, soldier. :)
Thats his mother. :stick: And by all accounts I'd say she'd kick your a$$ for disrespectin' Dave. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Dave is a very good son and takes care of his mother and all of her health issues. He was brought up with a very good work ethic and a strong family commitment and sometimes taking care of her interferes with his trying to make a living. But that is what good sons do. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Ah ok. I didn't know that expression, I'm sorry. Thought it might be his wife...
Nah, I've had two of those..:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Yea, Dear Old is my Mother.. She'll be 78 in July, bad hips and knees but the mind,lungs and heart are good.
Would rather see her in her home than in "a" home.
We all do what we have to in this life and this was my decision.
I do have my days but in the end it was a good decision.
Yea, Sig is right, at times it does get interesting making some $$ but I get by.
Speaking of which, off to work..:D
My grandma is 98, she's been living with my parents for a few years now, so I know what you're dealing with some days. I moved home temporarily to help my Mum dealing with all the work and we really love granny of course, but sometimes it just gets too much, especially for one person alone.
I'm off to work now, too - cya guys later :)
hey I recognise that case! is that from servercase.com? is it the... crap, cant remember the two diff sizes.. which size is it?
It's the big one. A Yeon Yang B0420. But I got it like that from someone at the German HWluxx forums. Looks a bit used but I don't care, was cheaper than a new one + I really wanted the top cuts for exhaust fans or watercooling later.
i love big arse cases :D
http://www.servercase.com/miva/miva?...ode=Adv+Server
http://www.servercase.com/miva/miva?...ode=Adv+Server
I didnt know its a yeon yang - thats so cool! :cool:
They look very similar, but these links you posted are NOT Yeon Yang. Dunno about that brand :shrug:
But I love the cube design, too - so handy :up:
Hi,Jcool:D;), just here to tell you i have ordered a q6600:ROTF::up:, gotta.....have...mmm...ore power, closing...too.f..fast(my d**:mad:n q9450 were delayed again,nooooooooooooo:shocked:), ill race you:up:
oh, im so envious of you octocaine,Jcool,hmm, what.., what did i just say,ooops
How much would that pc would be worth piece by piece?
Without hard drives or video card, maybe $2500-3000 USD..Quote:
Originally Posted by DFectuoso
Ow... I think you just hit me where it hurts... my wallet.
2500-3000 USD you say? *gulp*
Other then that, you get the processing power from it which is fantasssstic :up:
I know its well worth it. I didnt ask to exhibit your addiction, but to undertand how far can mine go....
I'll sell it for 3 grand any day and rebuild... no I wouldn't :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
But I would make a good deal - costs are on page 1 ;)
Even though they are not realistic for people who don't buy hardware for five-figure amounts of € every month.
Oh and yeah, it IS worth its money. I have been away for a week now and shut everything down but the Dual Harper - and does my output look weak? I don't think so - even with my main quad and laptop down I am still at a 6k RAC :up:
Damn thats quite powerfull... i need to get me some of that
Welcome back..I was busy while you were away.:hrhr:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Can I get a prime screen please :p:
Nice CPUs and score - I'd beat that easily if I had an 8x mult though :cool:
Sexy harpers. :D
I don't do prime..Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
You can do 450 on that board?:confused:
Yes, I can even pass memtest. Problem is CPU VTT like I said, not even Vcore. CPU's won't do more than FSB 430 prime (hence I don't run them higher). FSB 400 CPUs probably have a higher default VTT, mine run at 1,07V. Do you have a readout for VTT?
Dave, can you post pictures of your 8 core rig?