Intel Nehalem Working at 3.2GHz Pictured

looks yummy. i want one even tho i dont need it. :p:
i wont be able to afford it anyway :lol:

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Originally Posted by gallag

can we not have one Intel thread without you coming in bashing it?
(living in a glass house and throwing stones?):rofl:

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and he :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:es about shintai. :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by DerekFSE

Strong rumors that F11X is getting 1268.

I cant wait to see these on a 12in wafer!!!

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Not strong rumors, it's gonna happen:

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archi...070226corp.htm

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Originally Posted by _Lone_Wolf_

I'm not having an endless circular diversionary argument about Charlie D.

What prompts me to keep a healthy dose of skepticism is Nehalem will have a third more logic transistors relative to a quad Penryn which will endure higher sustained utilisation under heavy multithreading workloads. It seems unavoidable to having a higher thermal density. The 3 MB cache deficit contributes very little to saved heat output.

To acheive an equal clock to the highest current official speed bin with what is claimed A1 revision silicon under an equivilent TDP would be astonishing. I'll reserve judgement till Intel disclose figures.

(I'd also love to read JumpingJacks thoughts on the subject)

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It is a hard call. One of my criticisms of Barcelona when the first die plots (not shots, but the design plot) were published was the fact that it appeard logic heavy, in that the ratio of SRAM/Logic was low. As such, I speculated that two things would happen, it would be hard to yield and it would be difficult to get high clocks within their thermals.

My criticisms of Nehalem are the same -- looking at the die shots, this processor is also logic heavy compared to say dual core Penryns or even Conroes. So it will be harder to yield than if it had more cache (cache is very redundant so it is easy to fuse out bad columns or word lines that may be defective).

So the negatives in the design are the heavy logic and lower overall SRAM/logic ratio.

On the power side, this is also hard to say ... gODJO makes the right argument -- Intel's TDP specs are set but the actual consumption is much much lower than expected. Meaning that rather than throw out odd or random power bins, Intel simply binned out based on market segment ... the actual consumption shows much lower. As such, if you clocked a Penryn/Yorkie to the clock speed that would still be 'normal' for that power bin, those clocks are actually much higher in reality.

For the same power, Nehalem should come in at lower clocks, but within the same power bin ... I suspect (speculation here) that Nehalem will match to slightly exceed equivalent power bin Penryn/Yorkie parts, but we will probably observe actual power consumption to be higher -- i.e. you are thinking correctly.

Jack

not worth a new thread due to the source, fudzilla claims that there will be a desktop nehalem also in q4 08 link.
A grain of salt might not be enough, but would be nice if true.

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Originally Posted by DerekFSE

No :banana::banana::banana::banana:. I dont pay attention to their public announcements, just what I hear on the floor.

That makes me even more happier. The way I an other co-workers see it, 1266 is good for 5 years, and 1268 should be a good 5 after. So thats a pretty solid 10 years of job stability.

- Edit - Just read the article. This doesnt specifically say 1268 or nehalem, just 45nm. That includes 1266, so until I see something better just a rumor for me.

I believe 1268 will use immersion tools, but that might not be an official requirement for 1268. It would be nice to get newer toolsets because I get to go to places like japan for training, and we get more money for them. Sometimes Intel will just shuffle tools in. So we may just get transfers from places like D1D to fill our fab up, as D1D buys the newer toolsets so Intel can

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Oooops. Sorry, I don't usually connect the process technology numbers Intel uses to litho node.

1264=65
1266=45
1268=32

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Originally Posted by Blauhung

1264=65
1266=45
1268=32

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Thanks, I will write it in my crib sheet.

;) All theoretic stuff - where's SuperPi & 3DMark? Could be published with ES.

what does it matter with the oil crisis on the horizon, like we can afford such rigs=)

kidding, look's cool.

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Originally Posted by strange|ife

what does it matter with the oil crisis on the horizon, like we can afford such rigs=)

kidding, look's cool.

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But the dollar is dropping so fast in price. So electronics just gets cheaper and cheaper here in europe and the oil is same price as always :D

Thanks god we have the Euro or else it would be reaaaaaally bad. But hell soon we will be able to buy 1000 CPUs for 500 Euros (direct US import). Lets see lets see.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

But the dollar is dropping so fast in price. So electronics just gets cheaper and cheaper here in europe and the oil is same price as always :D

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Europe barring the UK anyway. In the UK almost everything (Gas, Petrol, Diesel, Electicity, Water, Food etc) is rising at 2-5x the rate of inslation in some cases higher, rarely lower. My gas bill went up 18% just 3 months ago, despite wholesale prices dropping.

Electronics are actually stagnant as far as prices go in the UK, the only major droppers have been LCD & DRAM.

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Originally Posted by DeathReborn

Europe barring the UK anyway. In the UK almost everything (Gas, Petrol, Diesel, Electicity, Water, Food etc) is rising at 2-5x the rate of inslation in some cases higher, rarely lower. My gas bill went up 18% just 3 months ago, despite wholesale prices dropping.

Electronics are actually stagnant as far as prices go in the UK, the only major droppers have been LCD & DRAM.

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Gas has been more or less stable here for the last 2-3 years. perhaps gone up 105 over 3 years. Electronics get cheaper and cheaper. Its so low you dont think much when buying. Im considering to replace my E6600 with a Q9300 even tho I am waiting for Nehalem. Not really because I need a quad. But for lower power consumption and because its so cheap.

EDIT: 10% that is!

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Gas has been more or less stable here for the last 2-3 years. perhaps gone up 105 over 3 years. Electronics get cheaper and cheaper. Its so low you dont think much when buying. Im considering to replace my E6600 with a Q9300 even tho I am waiting for Nehalem. Not really because I need a quad. But for lower power consumption and because its so cheap.

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That's what I did and I went with an 8400 but came very close to getting a Q9300.:up: I'll look at getting Nehalem by July next year. A bud asked, why not get a Phenom since it's Quad Core? Because an overclocked to 3.7GHz 8400 uses less power than the stock Phenom:D

Nehalem will not be cheap but I expect to sell for less than what X2 did across the whole line. I can't believe some of the same folks talking about $644 X2-4200+ being a sweet deal are complaining about the est $400 for the lowest model Nehalem with 3 Ch IMC:rolleyes: The 2 ch model should be pretty sweet as well though.

how much are the octa-core ones estimated to cost? $900+?

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Originally Posted by Neuuubeh

how much are the octa-core ones estimated to cost? $900+?

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We'll know what they ship! Please note that $800 would be the starting price for something that's similar to 4 hyperthreading enabled dual core processors. Just a though.:up: 8 cores working on 16 threads:shocked: Oh the power. LOL I can see Movieman chomping at the bit for a Dual or Quad socket plarform for them LOL!

"there is no speed-bump nor octa core foreseen in the intel roadmap unless the competitor comes with something unforeseen the only thing they talk about are some specific 1600fsb quads."

LOL

omg lol my dreams were crushed :D

meh :)

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Originally Posted by Neuuubeh

how much are the octa-core ones estimated to cost? $900+?

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remember, desktop systems will not see 8 core chips for a long time. I don't think that is even planned for 32nm. The only way to get 8 cores on a chip is to get a 4 socket server system with Beckton next year, then you are probably looking at upwards of $1500 just for a motherboard.

i wish i could win the lottery.

i don't even play it :(

This is what is known at this time...

http://members.shaw.ca/virtualrain/n...alem-chart.png

More at Nehalem News

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Originally Posted by Shintai

But the dollar is dropping so fast in price. So electronics just gets cheaper and cheaper here in europe and the oil is same price as always :D

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In the year '01 to '02 the oil price was ~20$ to ~30$ pr barrel (CL), today it is about 80$ to 90$ higher.

Even with the lowered value of the dollar, there is no way the dramatic increase in price balancess the lowered value of the dollar. Fuel price affects so many areas indirectly, that it isn't funny or obvious how wide the contingency (?) effect is upon everything, as most goods are very dependant upon fuel price (for countries that don't produce everything they need).

Electronics or anthing else isn't getting cheaper in your country (Denmark), unless you live or observe a total different country than myself (also a Dane like yourself).

It has all become much worse overall since then (2001). If only our economy (and especially the US's) was 5 times stronger than then. But that it isn't the case and prices are rising in our country on many goods (non US imports).

What has really become cheaper now than then? I can't personally, think of a single thing that has actually been effectively cheaper in our country since then, but you're are welcome to point out any flaws in this assumption and feeling.

I hope that the world in general abandons pegging their currency with the US dollar, as it simply too weak and volitile for now and in the near future. The Euro would be a better and more stabile currency in the long term, and in terms of stability (at least perceptive stability). But fear, doubt, uncertainty, incompetence, belief, religion etc., affects the world's economy more than sensible and logic thought.

Could be wrong though, obviously, as this is just speculation and one single point of view. I'd love to be wrong, really.

I just hope Bloomfield won't exclusively consist of the ridiculous 'Extreme' branded chips. If it won't I'm probably springing for one (pending first reviews obviously).

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Originally Posted by bowman

I just hope Bloomfield won't exclusively consist of the ridiculous 'Extreme' branded chips. If it won't I'm probably springing for one (pending first reviews obviously).

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I don't think that's the plan, I believe there will be a few more moderately priced options probably starting in the upper $300 range.

retail chips? August/September/October/November/December/next year?

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Originally Posted by adamsleath

retail chips? August/September/October/November/December/next year?

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Bloomfield will be available in Q4. Mainstream variants in the first half of '09.

Q4
October doubtful
November maybe
December probably

h1'09 - June 30th then.

Can't wait for benchies, even if i won't be able to afford one for a million years.

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Originally Posted by adamsleath

Q4
October doubtful
November maybe
December probably

h1'09 - June 30th then.

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Why the pessimism? Perhaps the current lack of 45nm quad core products? Or is there something else?

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Originally Posted by Blauhung

I don't think that's the plan, I believe there will be a few more moderately priced options probably starting in the upper $300 range.

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Thank goodness.

Although with the problems they have filling up Penryn stocks now I guess I'd have to PRE-ORDER to get one.. :rofl:

Even though it looks really good and tasty as slideware now, my recent foolish AMD purchase has made me a much more skeptical consumer. I'll want to see some nice thorough third party hard looks at it before I put down the cash.

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Originally Posted by Seraphiel

In the year '01 to '02 the oil price was ~20$ to ~30$ pr barrel (CL), today it is about 80$ to 90$ higher.

Even with the lowered value of the dollar, there is no way the dramatic increase in price balancess the lowered value of the dollar. Fuel price affects so many areas indirectly, that it isn't funny or obvious how wide the contingency (?) effect is upon everything, as most goods are very dependant upon fuel price (for countries that don't produce everything they need).

Electronics or anthing else isn't getting cheaper in your country (Denmark), unless you live or observe a total different country than myself (also a Dane like yourself).

It has all become much worse overall since then (2001). If only our economy (and especially the US's) was 5 times stronger than then. But that it isn't the case and prices are rising in our country on many goods (non US imports).

What has really become cheaper now than then? I can't personally, think of a single thing that has actually been effectively cheaper in our country since then, but you're are welcome to point out any flaws in this assumption and feeling.

I hope that the world in general abandons pegging their currency with the US dollar, as it simply too weak and volitile for now and in the near future. The Euro would be a better and more stabile currency in the long term, and in terms of stability (at least perceptive stability). But fear, doubt, uncertainty, incompetence, belief, religion etc., affects the world's economy more than sensible and logic thought.

Could be wrong though, obviously, as this is just speculation and one single point of view. I'd love to be wrong, really.

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Add 7 years inflation. And electronics aint cheap? Thats a joke. Its the cheapest ever. Things like a Q6600 you get for nothing. It cost 1250DKK with 25% VAT! Electronics are sold in dollar, so each time the dollar drops. Your electronics gets cheaper. Some years ago we payed about 7-7.5DKK per dollar, now we pay 4.65DKK.

China released the Yuan from the dollar. The change is already 8% this year between those 2.

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Originally Posted by adamsleath

retail chips? August/September/October/November/December/next year?

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Server/extreme Q4 2008.
Mainstream/Mobile Q1 2009
Value/Lowend Q2 2009

Yahoo!!!! its almost here for me!!

Wondering if their is more information about the Memory controller. Will you be able to use DDR3 bought today (for instance 1800 Mhz kits) in Bloomsfield?
The news post mentions a DDR3-1333Mhz controller specifically, does it mean its locked to that speed?
Would be nice to know when buying memory today, if it will be useless if upgrading to Nehalem. If anyone knows.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Server/extreme Q4 2008.
Mainstream/Mobile Q1 2009
Value/Lowend Q2 2009

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that's a little bit more specific.

Performance per Watt per $$ is what interests me, now.

but Q2 still means June 30th to me.

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Originally Posted by Shadout

Wondering if their is more information about the Memory controller. Will you be able to use DDR3 bought today (for instance 1800 Mhz kits) in Bloomsfield?
The Onews post mentions a DDR3-1333Mhz controller specifically, does it mean its locked to that speed?
Would be nice to know when buying memory today, if it will be useless if upgrading to Nehalem. If anyone knows.

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While I can't be sure, there's really no reason to expect it wouldnt work just fine. The Lynnfield and Havendale varriants on the nehalem core will most likely be locked to JDEC established speeds set through SPD settings, so there might not be support for some of the higher speeds that aren't spec'd out yet.

Bloomfield and Gainstwon on the other hand have a scalable NB that will most likely be setting the base clock frequency that CPU and memory frequency. Just like now there will be selectable multipliers as well. Really the high end desktop and server platforms should be nice and configurable on the memory front.

So in summary, you should be fine with what you have, just don't expect to be able to tweak anything if you end up with the mainstream platform.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Server/extreme Q4 2008.
Mainstream/Mobile Q1 2009
Value/Lowend Q2 2009

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that's official launch time, not volume availability

server volume is Q1 2009 for example so expect all the rest will shift also.