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Auzen should be mad then, not Creative.
Awesome! Where can I get this unlocker?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
They probably are and got onto Creative Labs.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
By the way this is a good read on the story and I agree with Hilbert.
Guru3d report that door is slammed on Driver modder
John
The title of this thread is totally misleading !!
Nobody sued anybody, title should be changed.
I really hate the hysteria this is causing. It says very clearly in the letter that they were perfectly ok with him adding vista support to cards.
As I've seen it described elsewhere; the features he enabled were features available on those cards in xp and features Creative used in their sales pitch of promises of functionality in vista, which makes Creative totally in the wrong and their story about licensing to Auzentech irrelevent, as they had already sold the rights to use these features to these owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
I agree :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by BigKriss
Should read Creative get their panties in a twist over driver modder?
Not meaning to sound like I am taking sides, but did anyone remember when nVidia did the same to OMEGA for his drivers?
There was nowhere near as much web attention... I just think Creative are being picked on, as nVidia said exactly the same to OMEGA and UGO. They even theattened UGO with legal action because of their SLi Unified drivers (Drivers which allowed SLi on non-nForce chipsets).
John
Users have been unlocking video cards forever and I think it has proved good for video card sales. If Creative really does not want features enabled they need to physically disable them.
89 pages http://forums.creative.com/creativel...ending&page=89 :ROTF:
awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by hollo
i'm happy with my audigy2 (with winxp) for ages, but the vista support of all their products is the worst thing i've ever seen.
it's about time the customers realize how creative threats them.
creative has 2 options now: to actually READ what their customers have to say and drastically change their business, or ignore the customers and drive the last missing nail into their own coffin.
i'm never buying creative again. if my onboard audio worked i'd destroy this sound card, wich does not work in x64 xp or server x64 2003.
edit -
here's all the drivers i tried to make it work in the x64 environment last year
http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/...tm_e3928a9.jpg
No they're not. Asus will have to pay Creative use its tech=P I too wish they'd hire DK and all YouP_Pax folks as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
Personally, I'd take an Audigy 2/ZS or 4 over the XPlosion any day:up: It's not in the same class as the X-Fi and dewd that wasn't upgrade, it was downgrade LOL!
Please also note, there are legal issues here. Vista was created to implement DRM via Protected Multimedia paths. Breaking it is like stealing Cable TV or using you neighbors wireless. MS, RIAA and everyone else can easily say since Creative allowed Daniel K to help folks they must be backing him. So MAYBE Creative has to at least appear to Give a D@mned!
:rofl: :ROTF: Very good one!Quote:
Originally Posted by halo112358
Got one for MS's HDCP?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapdog
Everybody's favourite news site The Inquirer also has it's own take on Creative and their drivers.
Creative's Drivers Ate my :banana::banana::banana::banana:
Hah nice to see the Inquirer is still true to form.
John
Can't defend them lately, but at least nvidia has actually made some good products over the years. Maybe people weren't bitter towards nvidia to begin with?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
Daniel_K's Dolby Digital unlocker for X-FI. And Creative Alchemy for Audigy Cards 1.00.8 Universal.
Linky
124 pages now...
511 signatures on the online petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/crtvlabs/petition.html
It was 503 as I was signing it...
You don't do a petition where a lawsuit is warranted. A petition is naive.
There's some funny comments too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollo
PG 94:
HAHAHAHHA HOLY **bleep** CREATIVE
look what you just did.... 93 pages of HATE, absolute pure hate for your products. You just tied your own ropes baby. The only thing that is left is for you to kick the chair out from under yourselves (which may be easier than waiting for us to do it by never buying a single creative product ever again).
Got links to other places where I don't have to download $hit managers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peakr
Newegg has spoken?
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To Whom it May Concern:
While it is not our place to condemn the decisions of Creative regarding this issue, our customers come first. That being said, it has come to our attention that many of our customers are not happy with the products Creative has released nor the support for those products. To wit, we have processed nearly 5,000 return orders within the past 48 hours. While it is not normally in our best interest to publically comment in a manufacturer's forum, the overwhelming concensus has left us little choice. As such, effective tommorow morning newegg.com will suspend sales of the sound cards in question, particularly those indicated as "Vista compatible", pending an investigation into the matter. Those of you whom recently ordered such a card will still recieve your product as indicated in any relevant conversations. While we regret this abrupt decision, it has been deemed neccessary to protect the interest of our consumers. We welcome contact from Creative as soon as is possible so that we may resolve this issue.
Thank you,
Newegg.com
That....is.....awesome. Think Creative will listen now? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SoulsCollective
The registered email of the newegg poster is webmaster@newegg.com and that forum requires email confirmation and activation so I'm thinking it's legit, unless someone else has access to webmaster@newegg.com.
I'm content my x-fi (which i got used for $40) now that I replaced the crappy stock opamps, but Creative's had it coming ever since they maliciously sued Aureal out of business and bought the Ip for dirt cheap after Aureal was forced to file for bankruptcy due to litigation costs (even though it won the lawsuit). I still have my Diamond MX300 somewhere, and A3D 2.0 pwned anything EAX. They also killed Soundstorm (I miss my Nforce 2), the best on-board sound ever made, with hardware acceleration and real-time DD Live encoding, with a malicious lawsuit against Senasura (Soundstorm was based on licensed Senasura tech), forcing the company to shut down due to litigation costs and sell their IP to Creative. Nvidia was forced to abandon Soundstorm development.
Now we find out they intentionally cripple their Audigy series Vista drivers to disable key features which work just fine in XP and are listed all over the shiny box and their website, in an effort to force obsolescence and make their loyal customers buy X-FIs, all while telling people that the features don't work due to incompatibility issues with Vista. That my friends, is called fraud. If Creative manages to survive this mess, you can bet there will be a class-action lawsuit coming.
Good riddance and :banana::banana::banana::banana: you Creative.
Don't think you need the manager just put in the 3 digit code and click the download button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
I think this whole Daniel_K thing was the straw that broke the camel's back and unleashed the floodgate of hate for Creative. It's a bold move by newegg to boycott their products. Perhaps they will see the light and mend their ways. But judging by their history it seems unlikely.
It's an unusual spectacle, but 5000 returns in 48 hours makes it a necessity to boycott their products. Returns cost Newegg money.
some on the creative forum are saying the newegg post is probably fake... Don't know if it is or not, and it got hard to read later because the site wasn't loading properly (text would run off the center part behind the side borders).
I think it could be fake because the three link on the bottom of their sig are wrong.
The links are right, they're just somehow prefaced with this "wlmailhtml:{803ED5BC-E8D2-439A-BE8D-119C35FD9F19}mid://00000081/!x-usc:" crap. Now, I'm not a web genius so I have no idea what's going on there, but this is probably a function of the general messed-up nature of the Creative forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
The fact that the e-mail address is webmaster@newegg.com and that the forums require you to activate with a link sent to your e-mail is pretty damn compelling.
that's exactly what I thought, so I checked the poster's profile and the registered email address is webmaster@newegg.com. Is it possible someone not officially posting for Newegg is using that address?Quote:
Originally Posted by DerekFSE
They're speaking to their customers though to let them know what they're doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DerekFSE
I applaud newegg if it's true :clap:
http://tinyurl.com/35qda6Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Just look at the comments...
5k returns of creative soundcards in 48 hours, ouch thats going to hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulsCollective
I can fully understand the egg's decision to not sell anymore of those cards and I hope more people will return their creative cards due to that.
I should have done the same back then, but I trashed mine.
Should we start taking bets on how long until creative goes the way of the dodo? personally I don't know anyone who would miss them.
Holy **** @ NewEgg!
I already knew they were the best hardware purchasing site on the net, but I just fell in love with them over again!
Good idea but not true. Try ordering Sound Blaster cards of Newegg and you will know what i mean.
I may have missed it but I'm not a Torrent user but I'll try when I get home, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathReborn
i don't know about the creative forums but commonly a user can change his email address. so maybe the person regged with another emailaddress, clicked the activation link and then changed his email-address in his profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by shiznit93
AnyDVD HDQuote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
It is amazing how mis-information can cloud folks' judgment. A3D wasn't sued out of Business, they just like 3dfx took the money and ran. I was an Aureal Fan and was disappointed after cheering them on. They jumped at the offer Creative made them when they bought them out, Frakkin sellouts:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by shiznit93
The second one, you're wayyyyy off on as well. Creative didn't kill SoundStorm, from what I understood nVidia did that themselves. In FACT Creative and nVidia are two of the main Partners and Forces behind OpenAL.
Then some of Creative's problem is all of the DRM Vista brings to the table. For Protected Multimedia Path to work, everything had to be moved from Hardware Mode, to User Mode.
Question, have 5000 customers purchased the Card with-in the return period? Something seems fishy here. Their return period is only 30 days. Or do they mean over a certain time period?Quote:
Originally Posted by DerekFSE
It turns out the Newegg thing was probably fake, Audigy cards are still on sale on their site.
Donnie, my judgment is just fine. I remember those days very well, Creative destroyed Aureal with lawsuits and shady business practices (bullying devs to use only eax and such) so chill out. Soundstorm and Nvidia's Xbox sound hardware were based on Sensaura tech, which Nvidia couldn't use after Creative bought the company, the fact that they are partners on something else is irrelevant.
I signed.
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Did you think I was trying to jump you? No, you chillout! Aureal won the court case after filing Chapter 11. They did prove Creative was in the wrong. They settled out of Court for 28 Million and Creative stock. So, yes, until the stock decline, Aureal was still making money from Creative's stock. That's not how Donnie27 feels, but the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by shiznit93
nVidia tried to use OpenAL before they'd partnered with Creative:) id pulled the same stunt, twice LOL! NOTHING is stopping nVidia from doing another Soundstorm=PQuote:
Creative Buys Aureal Assets
by Maarten Goldstein Sep 22, 2000 6:25am CST tags: Creative
Yup, it's happened. After a lot of speculation, Aureal announced that Creative will be buying the company's assets for $28 million in cash and additional Creative stock as well. The sale will also settle the lawsuit between the two companies. Aureal filed for chapter 11 around March of this year. Guillemot was also in running of purchasing the Aureal assets.
Not always. I quickly signed the petition for Creative lying about 24bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by keiths
Is there an online petition against online petitions I can sign?
//Andreas
The only goal of Creative's suit agains Aureal was to bankrupt the company with high litigation costs. Yes Aureal won the suit but they spent so much money on lawyers and didn't have enough coming in, so investors pulled the plug. If Creative hadn't maliciously sued things might be different.
Cool, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything:) Prior to filing Chapter 11 Aureal was loosing about 5 million a Quarter without counting Legal fees.Quote:
Originally Posted by shiznit93
http://gamedevelopment.com/newswire/...ex20000327.htm
Near the bottom of the page:
Back on Topic. I can't believe users of the DRM ladened Vista are complaining about Blocked features!Quote:
Aureal Turmoil
Poor fourth quarter financials are only the beginning for Aureal, as the company now faces the mass resignation of all executive officers and senior staff members. Aureal's fourth quarter operations generated a net loss of $9.5 million, a large increase from last year's fourth quarter loss of $3.5. Loss for the year as whole reached $26.9 million, compared to losses of $18.5 million in 1998. Aureal attributes some of this to $6.4 million in legal fees related to it patent suit with Creative Labs. Resignations followed the financials by a day, with President and CEO, Kip Kokinakis, Chief Technical Officer Scott Foster, Chief Financial Officer David Domeier, Chief Operating Officer and General Counsel Brendan O'Flaherty, and the senior staff of Aureal announcing their departure. The Aureal Board of Director has announced that it is considering all options, including new management, a sale of assets, or the cessation of operations.
It is impossible for Creative or any company to condone features they have agreed to block, unlocked.
There are such things as Regulations and Laws. What if Creative Labs said. "Nice work Daniel K! We couldn't legally circumvent Protected Audio Path. We didn't want pay the Extra costs of DDL and DTS to keep costs down. Now we can sell for the same price, you can add the feature and this will equal more sales to at least the Enthusiast market." The whole DRM World would be on their @$$es in a Nano second. Conversely In or No Action taken is seen as approval.
Even if Creative Labs LIKED what Daniel K did, they COULDN'T appear to approve it. Come on folks, surely you guys understand Laws better than that, right?
hmm, you have a point ....
I wasn't offended or anything, no worries man. I don't mind being corrected on things, especially if I don't take the time to properly research something.
So Aureal's losses amounted to more than legal fees, how much of that was because of Creative pressuring developers to go with EAX only?
Back on the Daniel_K topic, there seems to be a lot of confusion. Yes what he did was not entirely legal, and I have never said that Creative doesn't have the right to stop him, especially after he made DD Live work on X-FI w/o a license.
But his work has also exposed Creative's illegal fraud of loyal customers, who bought "Vista Ready" Audigy cards, only to find out the driver was intentionally blocking key features, and Creative was telling these people "those features don't work in Vista, nothing we can do, buy X-FI". This is the problem.
Based on what I've read from Ars Technica's blurb on this, if this situation doesn't change, I'll never buy a Creative card again.
So far, I've owned the following:
SoundBlaster 1.5 (back in 1992)
SoundBlaster Pro
SoundBlaster 16
SoundBlaster AWE32
SoundBlaster Live!
SoundBlaster Audigy
SoundBlaster Audigy2
SoundBlaster Audigy 2ZS
SoundBlaster X-Fi XtremeGamer
This isn't counting the cards people bought due to my recommendations.
I've not always been happy with some of Creative's decisions, and they've made some dumb marketing moves and stretched their advertising farther than it ought to have gone. Still, I felt they made decent cards, and EAX was important to me among other things. At this point, though, they've got the gun pointed straight at their feet, and the safety is off.
I don't believe this is about protecting intellectual property --fact is, driver-hacking would sell more of their cards, not less in this case, due to the additional features, and Creative wouldn't even have to provide support for them, and could disclaim responsibility. I think it's more about exerting control. And what with EAX no longer being in an option in Vista, and Vista breaking making many features of the X-Fi (assuming it isn't just an excuse on Creative's part), Creative isn't in a good financial position to use the heavy hand. Their profits are down, and a move like this is going to do them more harm than good.
here's a stock price update
What alternatives have we got for gaming?
Asus Xonar D2X 7.1 PCI-Express Sound Card, I've read this can use Eax 3, 4, 5 via emulation.
Anyone got any other gaming reccomendations, I dont want to buy the Auzentech Prelude as thats still using X-Fi chipset - I refuse to put anymore money in Creatives pockets.
No Problem Bro! I'd much rather talk than yell or try to belittle anyone. Sure Creative didn't help Aureal any and I hoped Aureal would survive. I was wrong the other day about Intel IGP in all of their Chipsets and thanked the guy for the correction.Quote:
Originally Posted by shiznit93
I agree Creative made some claims they couldn't back, but name me a clean company who hasn't? If I purchased computer parts based on how honest any company is, I'd not have a computer=P
I'd bet they thought they'd have all of their issues worked out quickly. I missed that about the Audigy Cards. Creative even admitted they're appreciative of Daniel K's assisting its customers, work in fixing the Drivers and etc... They are the ones who should have sent him a check for that. But clearly that is NOT what the dispute is about unless I totally missed it.
My point is there should be a petition to "Pay Daniel K for helping Creative Customers" then they could call it a goodwill gesture, Donation or whatever else. It seems that would be more productive. I signed the petition on the 24bit lie that was truly fraud, I'm just not so sure about the current stuff since I don't have Vista installed. I have very little experience with it. EVERYTHING worked as advertised in XP.
Last but not least, Vista is the main vehicle for DRM. To be certified, all hardware makers have to comply and work with that DRM. OEM's still buy the majority of products sold and many will NOT use uncertified products=P
Do you think it would be cool if a 3rd party reintroduced an HAL to Vista? How about totally crippling HDCP so an HD signal can be sent to any target device? Sorry for length of the post!
Asus said it would have support via software in a later Emu software pack or something. It doesn't have support right now. All indications are that it is a great sounding card. I'd love to have one for my HTPC I'm 4/5 finished with. But Sorry, I'm sticking with my Prelude and Platinum Pro For gaming, I'm not having problems with either card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelly
Thanks!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by i found nemo
An official statement has now been made by Creative, which backs up excatly what I said earlier in this thread (and on their forum), that the whole "thing" was caused by Daniel_K's Dolby Digital Live "hack" which belongs to Azuerntech (or however you spell them).
Here is a quote
Dale-CL issues statementQuote:
We have read the strong feedback about Creative's forum post regarding driver development by Daniel_k and other outside parties. Creative's message posted on our behalf by our Company spokesperson tried to address our concern about the improper distribution of certain software which is the property of other companies. However, we did not make it as clear as we would have liked that we do support driver development by independent third parties. The huge task of developing driver updates to accommodate the many changes in the Vista operating system and the extensive testing required, including the lengthy Vista certification requirements for audio, makes it very difficult for Creative to develop updates for all past products. Outside developers have been very helpful to Creative and our customers by developing updates for many of our Sound Blaster products, and we do support and appreciate these efforts. This however does not extend to the unauthorized distribution of other companies' property. We hope to work out a mutually agreeable method for working with Daniel_k in supporting his efforts in driver development. Going forward, we are committed to doing a better job of working more closely with third parties to support their development for our products and our customers.
John
Ahh so that explains it, ok I was a bit confused.
I figured that soon as i read about Azuztech however i have to admit i did enjoy the public bashing Creative has gotten over this, even though it is because of a wrong reason. What can i say, i just enjoy revenge lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
;)
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Originally Posted by Nelly on Creative Forums
Well looks like Creative not bothered with X-FI or prior models anymore because they are going to Release a SB X-Fi 2.
http://winqual.microsoft.com/HCL/Pro...-Fi%202&oid=24
http://winqual.microsoft.com/HCL/Pro...d%205.1&oid=24
As taken from a post in the Creative forums it looks like they will be Windows XP & Vista certified.
I for one will NOT be buying an X-FI 2, I suggest that everyone else does not as well, the silly thing is if they had given support for current soundcards I would of been interested in X-FI 2.
QFT!Quote:
Originally Posted by DerekFSE
For their own drivers and apps, offering incentives wouldn't hurt either, look at all of the support savings(money)?
What I'd been trying to say! But DerekFSE is right, they should have made direct contact with him right from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
u can get an maudio revolution 5.1 or 7.1 with the via envy chipset, u dont need eax, open al is becoming prevalent and asio with open al is better than eax even with my sba2plat pro its better than eax especially with vista its better than xp with the custom dk driversQuote:
Originally Posted by Nelly
I am getting D2X as its PCIe card and it seems to have good driver support. ASUS has managed to create ALchamey of their own that seems to work much better as it isnt game specific. The only down side of D2X is that it does only support EAX1&2 due to EAX3/4/5 being Creative cards only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelly
And according to the Asus forum their DS3D wrapper doesnt work right in the Source engine yet, so I'm forced to wait. I'm not the biggest Creative fan, but Alchemy and CMSS work really well for me. Now if only I can get Daniel_K's modded driver running for DD Live...
Syn, might wanna take a look at the Zonar DX $90 card, it seems to be on par with the D2X except the fancy shield.
tehy dont look the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by shiznit93
http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=25
but they may have the same spu, IMO ur better of with the via envy chipset i havnt gamed on one but they sound great and their virtual surround is better than creatives for dvds, and via updates drivers regularly (ive used both consumer grade m-audio)
I cant get Source based games to use higher then 2.1 setting with my AC1, its due to Vista and Valve not really being that good with sound technology. At least ASUS is trying to create their own way to make everything work.Quote:
Originally Posted by shiznit93
DX is the budget card so everything about it is cut down. I already spent around £150 on my last two sound cards (X-Fi Fatality/Razer AC1) i dont really mind doing it again.
Now i just found something interesting. It seems like that Xonar cards do support up to EAX5 but as its through the DS3D GX2.0 it is missing the EAX AdvancedHD option. But seriously thats nothing due to such low use of that tech.
http://usa.asus.com/999/images/produ...ectsound3d.jpg
Source: ASUS
The GX-2.0 software will have to be license by Creative. There is a question about just how much EAX 5.0 can be done this way but they can't do any of it without Creative's approval=P I'm hoping they can pull it off because more than just picking Creative for Games is a VERY GOOD THING:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn.
I also read that Xonar DX2 has better hardware than both the old D2 and the new PCI-E cards. Yet, at 116db puts in at least the Creative X-Fi Elite Pro class. Finally something for those unused PCI-E slots:up: The price point is also a move in the right direction. Oh, this is the leading card for my HTPC I'm building. I don't care about its game performance.
Fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulsCollective
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7594.htmlQuote:
In the whole driver modder debacle, posts made by someone who claimed to be from Newegg, said that Newegg had received return orders for as many as 5000 cards. The poster used an e-mail address which looked authentic and put a lot of work into making it look real, but it is not. It's nothing but pure slander. Newegg has not cut Creative from its partner list, it has not made any comment on the quality of Creative products, nor will it. After talking to Newegg, we got an official response;
"It has come to our attention that a recent post on the site claimed Newegg had severed its relationship with Creative. This is a false statement and was not issued by an entity authorized to speak on behalf of newegg.com. Newegg does not and will not comment on product quality or provide product reviews. For this we count on you, our customers, and our online forums like EggXpert."
While we do agree that Creative executed this very poorly, someone is putting a lot of effort into making it a lot worse. Newegg is still working with Creative and have no plans on cutting ties.
//Andreas
SourceQuote:
Daniel_K, the Creative Labs fan who fixed the company's broken Vista sound card drivers only to be threatened by the corporate brass, just e-mailed with his side of the story.
"My name is Daniel Kawakami and I'm Brazilian," he writes. "I'm NOT a cracker, a hacker, just an enthusiast modder with basic assembly knowledge and very persistent."
Kawakami's expertise allowed him to enable advanced features in sound cards that Creative advertised as Vista-compatible, but which did not perform as well under that operating system as they do under Windows XP. After tolerating the distribution of his unofficial drivers for a time, Creative's vice president of corporate communications, Phil O'Shaughnessy, ultimately asked him to stop, and accused him of "stealing their goods." O'Shaughnessy also wrote that whether or not it cripples its Vista drivers is a "business decision that only we have the right to make."
The rest of Kawakami's e-mail follows, verbatim, after the jump.ALchemyQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel K
How deep is the Creative Labs Hate, let me not count the ways, it would take too long:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by NH|Delph1
Just like the cheap @$$es, here's what stuck out to me.Quote:
The current situation
DDL encoder and Crystalizer were not publicly released.
I've deleted the P17 to Xtreme Audio mod and ALchemy from FileFront (where I store the files).
I've been told they will allow me to continue with my mods, except the "forbidden" ones.
I'm also allowed to receive donations.
Download of my mods
http://hosted.filefront.com/braziliantech/
While I did ask for donations, once released, the downloads would be public.
I do recognize that I deserve some criticism for that.
To date, I've got $146, with amounts ranging from $1 to $50 (this value is still uncleared).
To date, the Audigy Vista Support Pack was downloaded about 20,000 times.
I've not downloaded any of this but damned if those most folks are cheap @$$es:rolleyes: I only blame Creative for not contacting DK in private and NOT donating to him themselves, yes they're a bunch of Cheap bast@rd$ as well:down: So if there are 20K Audigy downloads, I'm sure there are at least 25 to 30K X-Fi downloads. Any of these folks swearing to like DK are FOS! Except the folks who donated the $146!:rolleyes:
Probably, which makes these fake Newegg posts just plain unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Creative's own actions is enough to make them look bad, but when people do these kind of things, it has more of a counter-effect.
//Andreas
QFT! As a Goodwill gesture, Creative should offer him something.Quote:
Originally Posted by NH|Delph1
I'd love to see a Hardware site test out these unlocked features. I've seen unlocks that appear to work, but either partially worked or didn't at all. Example. Can you really make a 32 hardware Voice card magically increase to 128?
I think the deal is that creative cards are like X86 processors they all interpret software the same way (basically...). So even if the silicon evolves, pretty much any of them can run any functiion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
The hacked drivers were there before Daniel K and they enabled Audigy functions on SB Live cards etc. He's been good at making Creative cards work properly and at 100% in Vista.
I'm 100% convinced that what he says is true, it's been known for a long time that Creative purposely locked certain functions from certain cards through the drivers so that customers would buy more expensive ones...
so my driver is p17 .... so i could have had x-fi sound quality? ..... shyit.
Installed WinXP on a Pentium 100MHz and 32MB of RAM. Would you say that really running XP? Hint, it took about 52 mins to install.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nano2k
Those old cards had to do Software SRC. That's why folks did crazy crap like kill most of their features with Craptacular KXDrivers:rolleyes: I do get it even if we think Creative is lying and the X-fi has only a 1GHz Processor's processing power, (they say processes like a 3+GHz) I have doubts. I could be wrong. Hell, I'd rather be wrong. I don't see Audigy pulling off the same feats. If Creative did, I'm on that Petition just like I was on the 24bit lie Petition. I still have an Audigy 2 ZS, I refuse to use Vista though.
I have ZERO doubt DDL from my Auzentech X-Fi 7.1 will work my Creative X-Fi, hell, other AC3 hacks have been out there forever. I still ask, how does the weak SBLive (32 voice), the Audigy (64 voice) pull off EAX 5.0, I mean 128 voice, Game Voice and all. Unless they're using the C-MEDIA Software 128 voice hack? Then I'd like to see CPU usage if that's the case.
I'd love to see Tech-Report, FUGGER, MaximumPC, Anand, Kyle, Tom's, PC Perspective and etc.. do just a 5 page review to confirm some guy playing an EAX 5 game and getting full EAX 5.0 effects with an Audigy 2.
The legit argument has more to do with Audigy not having its stated features under Vista. I didn't know, they didn't have Time Scaling (something I use a lot to mix music), Karaoke (I don't use) and etc.... But here again, Vista's protected Path crap sucks as well. I wonder how much of this was done to satisfy Microsoft and how was purposely broken to get folks to upgrade.:rolleyes:
they put up a reply
http://forums.creative.com/creativel...read.id=121513
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We have read the strong feedback about Creative's forum post regarding driver development by Daniel_k and other outside parties. Creative's message posted on our behalf by our Company spokesperson tried to address our concern about the improper distribution of certain software which is the property of other companies. However, we did not make it as clear as we would have liked that we do support driver development by independent third parties. The huge task of developing driver updates to accommodate the many changes in the Vista operating system and the extensive testing required, including the lengthy Vista certification requirements for audio, makes it very difficult for Creative to develop updates for all past products. Outside developers have been very helpful to Creative and our customers by developing updates for many of our Sound Blaster products, and we do support and appreciate these efforts. This however does not extend to the unauthorized distribution of other companies' property. We hope to work out a mutually agreeable method for working with Daniel_k in supporting his efforts in driver development. Going forward, we are committed to doing a better job of working more closely with third parties to support their development for our products and our customers.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=168Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
yay, creative admits to not being able to complete compatible drivers with vista. Take your thumb out of your a** creative and actually make drivers that work.
thanks I guess the lack of sleep does affect one lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn.
Can anyone confirm if the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude is fully compatable in Vista 32/64bit?Just noticed they released drivers dated April 2008 for Windows XP SP2 & Vista 32bit & are currently working on 64bit drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
As mentioned in this thread:- Click HereThey are also working on Vista 64bit drivers - I think you can access beta drivers by joining their M-Audio - Beta Test Program:- Click HereQuote:
April 2008
M-Audio Announces New Drivers for Revolution 5.1 and 7.1
Updated drivers offer compatibility with Windows Vista 32-bit
M-Audio is pleased to announce the immediate availability of new drivers for Revolution 5.1 and Revolution 7.1 Surround Sound Cards. The updated drivers offer full compatibility with Windows XP SP2 and Vista 32-bit.
Along with several bug fixes and performance enhancements, a new sample rate select drop down box has been added for improved control.
Download the new drivers here.
I noticed that the M-Audio Revolution 5.1 was released after the 7.1 & has better DAC - AKM 4358, which is used on their Audiophile 192 card.
H'mm so either Auzentech X-FI Prelude, M-Audio Revolution 5.1. . hmm:rolleyes:
I won't buy the Asus Xonar, I dont like Asus crap customer support & terrible RMA service.
I didn't realize who was Daniel K until now, but I remember him in brazilian foruns some years ago always trying to help with his modded stuff, bios and etc... I don't think he was doing this for profit or for something against creative, as he says, the donations where for buy just new cards... creative sucks...
so his driver works better? for xp as well? any one have a copy.
http://files.filefront.com/SBXF+VTDR.../fileinfo.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by DerekFSE
http://files.filefront.com/SBAXVSD+P.../fileinfo.html
If these don't work, here's a page with other links.
http://www.computerbase.de/forum/sho....php?p=4019494
Oh, crap, you're right! There has to be others lurking:(Quote:
Originally Posted by DerekFSE
I saw that on one of the threads that got deleted. I should have copied it. See if you can find Stormy on Guru3D, he might be able to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by DerekFSE
no one has told me yet if the drivers he modded improve things on xp.