Probably for debugging purposes, much like the extra connections on ES CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
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Probably for debugging purposes, much like the extra connections on ES CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
Stupid question....
If its tri-channel, why not 6 slots? I have an old P4 board w/ 6 ram slots. Why only 4? I know its a test board, but hell.... You could get 3 gig kits and eventually upgrade to 6 gigs. That;s overkill for most, but a nice option, especially with vista x64. I hope it doesn't reinforce the fact that tri-channel ram would be limited to 6 gigs (unless they produce GOOD 4 gig sticks).
*IIRC* its cause they will be using a single *side* of a RAM stick as a channel.. so side1 = channelA, side2 = channelBQuote:
Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
I'm not sure but I thought I saw Intel saying Equal to 3 64bit Channels. That's 3 or 6 slots instead of the 2 or 4 slots. I think this board is setup this way for testing. One single channel for debugging and or 3 for everything else. I doubt they could run 4 sticks without screwing up something.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
naw, it's really just a space constraint on the layout. most users aren't going to fill more then 3 slots. If you want to add another stick, it will work just fine just like if you were to fill only 3 slots on a present day board. Makes it so that one slot just isn't interleaved with anything. There's not really room on a good ATX board with the new larger socket to fit 6 slots without cramming some other components close together. I'm sure some of the other board makers will get creative with layout and find a good way to wedge them in.
Isn't that called "bank"?Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
They sure will, just look at the DDR2-DDR3 combo boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
indeed, shouldnt be much of a problem to fir 6 slots on a mobo. But i haope they leave enough space between the slots. (problems with heatspreaders on most highend rams :p: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank M
Some will be EATX but if there is a will, there's a way. Keep in mind that the I saw them talking about Enthusiasts and High-End workstations boards that will be larger than mainstream boards that will still be Dual Channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=9502
Here's the Dual Core version with all 12 slots.
http://www.dvhardware.net/article25413.html
With a grain of salt, I'm told QPI will be 2GHz.Quote:
Specifications of the CPU: Nehalem A1(CPU Frequency 1Ghz ,QPI Frequency 1.66Ghz, Superpi 1M run 3min..)
Another Nehalem board.
http://www.hkepc.com/database/images...5615993465.jpg
hmm the heatsink on the northbridge is really small, i like that. :)
lol - that CPU fan looks comical :rofl:
it makes me giggle too, I guess it's a good thing THAT doesn't end up hitting the market (usually)
That chipset/NB must be cool runner.
It's a bit harder with the larger socket. you do free up some possibilities by not having to be close to the NB, so it can be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank M
but in the linked Intel slide it says 3 channel, all the dual channel stuff will be based off the Lynnfield design with integrated PCIeQuote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
very nice:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
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Originally Posted by Hornet331
That's what you get from shrinking the chipset from 90nm to 65nm and then removing the memory controller.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogPO
What happenned? They forgot 1/2???:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Where's the other socket?:shakes:
:rofl: :rofl: There's one in my links above;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
MSI won't have an excuse for using lollercoaster heatsinks now
Like that have hold them back before :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyNV
sorry for reviving this old old thread but theres much mis-information and i just wanted to clear it.... I found it on google so i read through the whole thing... :)
firstly... PCI-X X-FI cards
http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/60259...announced.html
PCI it going out like the PS/2 ports for KB and mouse... please believe me...
secondly... this... x58 board as they call it was suppose to have 6-dimms... as you can tell in the second power point slide theres 6 memory modules...
thirdly... I was told that the lga 1633 mobos would have 2 sockets.. not sure why movieman is making a joke about it... I really dont understand...
fourthly... if this thing gets released with 2 sockets and 6 dimms... im buying it... i dont care if it costs 500 bucks... i got 10k in student loans sittin in da bank and i'd rather buy a new sweet computer finally then a coach or plasma TV which i was going to do with the money... and i haven't upgrade my computer in 5 years... yes since 10th grade... im now third year of college... stupid p4... and i read the WCing section and have dreams of making the ultimate WCing setup and being able to ACTUALLY upgrade every 6 months to a year like most of you rather then waiting another 5 year... i'm an xtreme hobbiest but im only xtreme on my friends' computers... not my own yet... :(
BTW i got my information about 2 sockets from here:
http://www.dailytech.com/Smack+all+O...rticle9886.htm
please correct me if i stated anything wrong... that guy being called an idiot is one of the many reasons I choose to not reply often...
thanks,
mo
have you been in the forums lately??? this would have been a great line for 5 years ago:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Whokidmo
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Originally Posted by Whokidmo
Students' loans are for buying computers?
Wow, and here I am figuring how to get 100k for a BFA resolved. :p:
Smackover it is, but the 1-socket system might actually run games faster if anything. NUMA didn't do QuadFX much good on games.
If you're gonna play 3DMark though, all is fine.
Technically, a student loan may be used for whatever you wish. Of course it has to have something to do with your studies, and the interest rate might be terrible when you complete college.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
lol yeah but no one explained the memory dimms to me... so it's 6 correct? and will there even be a dual socket? will it be a desktop platform? and how the hell can intel not have 4 16x PCI-E yet? for f**ks sake i mean it's like not having 32mb cache on the WD velociraptor... freakin A... i mean the advantage isn't there but we upgrade for certain reasons, one is performance, second bragging rights lol jk but no seriously though 4 16x lanes would have been perfect for 1 year down the line when nvidia does 4 individual card SLI set up... and plus the 32mb thing would have at least had some performance improvement... not decrease... so would have been more incentive for consumers to buy it... and 15k too but sorry i digress
Gotta agree on the 32MB Raptor...bad mistake by WD, hell they should have thrown 64MB into the mix to be different and have bragging rights!
So what are the timelines for this? And will LGA775 waterblocks fit...
Q4 2008 and most likely no.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiveprime
q4 2008 will be paper launched but some say q1 2009 will actually get our hands on it without the 500 dollar premium on the first 1week-4week of a EE processor release... and it's a DEF no for the lga 775 waterblocks... the CPUs are MUCH bigger and the holes in the MB are bigger tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
It wont be a paperlaunch...and in Q1 2009 you will have 250$ versions aswell. Possible down to 180$.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whokidmo
Don't worry, your not an idiot, just a whole lot of faulty information wandering around. x58 is the marketing name for the single socket high end desktop platform built around the Bloomfield CPU on the LGA1366 socket, and the Tylersburg chipset. There only needs to be support for 3 DIMM slots as a single Bloomfield only has 1 tipple channel memory controller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whokidmo
Also on LGA1366 will be the Gainstown CPU. This is the exact same product as Bloomfield (both using the "Nehalem" product), but with 2 active QPI links instead of Bloomfield's 1, and it will be coupled with the same Tylersburg chipset. In this case the platform is a dual socket workstation and because you have 2 CPU's each with their own 3 channel memory controller, you can use 6 channels of memory.
They are 2 different platforms for 2 different markets distinguished mostly by how many QPI links are active in the CPU's and Tylersburg chipset.
Very end of this year, and no unless they have a very full featured universal mounting system.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiveprime
I was under the impression that Bloomfield wouldn't go below $300 as that would be eating into Lynnfields market, but i could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Lynnsfield are Q1 2009 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
I was refering to Nehalem family as such. He can buy "cheap" nehalems and not forced to buy yorkies etc.
For the enthutiast platform, hell no.
sorry maybe i should have said early q1 2009... most of the mainstream CPUs from the nehalem family will most likely release on like march but you know how intel is with launch dates... they say q4 2008 means december 31st 2008... lol and note the 1-4 week comment i made... i really think they will release about 3 weeks before X-mas therefore price jack up the :bananal:so hence 4 weeks later would me new years :clap:but yah thats how i read it on some forum and i believe it but then again it is pure speculation and maybe i shouldn't have said paper launch, thats completely different :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
[QUOTE=Blauhung;3031251]Also on LGA1366 will be the Gainstown CPU. This is the exact same product as Bloomfield (both using the "Nehalem" product), but with 2 active QPI links instead of Bloomfield's 1, and it will be coupled with the same Tylersburg chipset. In this case the platform is a dual socket workstation and because you have 2 CPU's each with their own 3 channel memory controller, you can use 6 channels of memory.[QUOTE]
so will that server platform have 4 16x PCI-E slots? i read that tylersburg will have 2 16x or 4 8x... but with this platform you speak of, i think theres room for expansion, BtW how much u think gainstown will be? much higher them bloomfield? also does anything know the main difference between server and desktop CPUs? i was always under the impression that server CPUs were just more heavy duty or something along those lines.
I think you are pretty wrong. Core 2 was released in Q3 (July 27th), 45nm was released when etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whokidmo
You just sound like a troll/flamer..
Also Intel doesnt jack prices up. Retail places like newegg does that. Same reason that on July 27th 2006 you could buy an E6600 here for around 320$ where it was over 400$ on newegg.
Server CPUs are usually DP or MP enabled. And the CPUs wont be much more expensive and you will have a vast selections of lower speeds to pick from plus LV version. To compare a 2.5Ghz DP Xeon CPU cost about the same as a 2.66Ghz normal desktop CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whokidmo
yes i remember the 45nm very vividly... with all the delays...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...highlight=2007
And i thank you for your kind words... forums are for discussions and enlightenment... not ridicule... it's people like you which is why i just research answers to my own dam questions and dont have for advice or opinion... next time save yourself some time and just discuss the topic at hand... I didn't attack you I expect the same level of respect...
Servers, mobiles and extreme versions wasnt delayed was they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whokidmo
Q4 2008 is for what again?
And the delay was mainly due to heavy demand in the 2 first segments besides the bug. At worst, you can say mainstream nehalems will be delayed. If they have a heavy demand in the other 3 segments and if they find a bug.
If you expect that from Shintai,then you're in for a big disappointment...He is basically intel/NV fan(b) in whose eyes those 2 companies just can't do wrong,no matter what!Quote:
Originally Posted by Whokidmo
and your only purpose, it the recent time, seems to be, to bash shintai in every thread you post... talk about being constructive. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
BS.I didn't mention the dude in ages.Do you even know what are you talking about or you just make it up along the way?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Wishful called, it wants its thinking back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Remember Core 2 launch? People said the same thing claiming it would cost a fortune. Yet I payed ~320$ in july 2006 for an E6600. I wouldnt call that expensive...would you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
Yup, 320 for a dual core is SO equivalent to $180 on a quad-core that has NB, PCIe and IIRC, IGP too. Even without the extra L3 and QPI, this die will approach 190-200mm^2 sizes already. Go figure how big Conroe was, then come back. Go figure how much Kentsfield non-extreme was introduced at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Perhaps a castrated version, tricore-lynns. But oh, what Paul said! They have TEH GOOD CPUs on TEH GOOD PROCESS!
Dude, you make me ROFL like I've never done before.
But Intel doesn't have slow Quad Core to compare to the $180 AMD chip:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
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Originally Posted by Macadamia
No IGP on Lynnsfield, no QPI and dualchannel memory. And comparing something with 2½ years between is..well. Today the 2x143mm2 Q6600 are already selling around the 200$ mark (Even 2Ghz DP xeons are around that aswell). The non extreme kentsfield was down to about 250$ if Xeons count back then. But today quads hit the mainstream. So its abit wrong to compare the 2. Since you would essentially have to compare a dualcore with a quadcore instread.
Its like claiming a 280GTX would be 1200$ because an 8800Ultra was 700.
Welcome to the fast paced world of semiconductors.
As for Nehalem based CPUs,some new informations here:
We see that Dual Cores based on Nehalem core will fill in the 75-300$ price range.Dual cores.Quote:
The nehalem generation processors will be formally presented in the fourth quarter this year, and they will begin to appear ( on the market) from the lower server part and upper desktop segment.
It was considered that the more accessible lynnfield processors (four cores, LGA 1160) and Havendale (two cores, LGA 1160) with support to dual-channel memory DDR- 3 will appear in first half of 2009. Associate reports that now Intel is assembled to present the indicated lynnfield and Havendale processors only in the third quarter 2009. Dual core processors havendale will fill the price niche from $75 to $300.
http://xtreview.com/images/intel-lyn...ors-rel-01.png
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Bloomfield processors for desktop systems will appear in the first quarter 2009. As it was explained, the majority of these processors will be originally supplied for server segment - for example, in the first quarter ( 2009 ) their portion in the two-processor segment will reach 30%. In this case the portion of analogous processors in the desktop segment will be small.
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In first half of 2010 intel company intends to present the 32 nm westmere processors , which will exceed Bloomfield according to several quantitative characteristics: the number of core will increase from four to six, the cache capacity in the third level will increase from 8 to 12 MB. In this case compatibility with LGA 1366 socket will be preserved.
Thats not news..thats some old charts from pcwatch if I recall right. And then mixed into an article.
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2...gai403_03l.gif
Well if it's not fitting your prearranged view then it must be false :D.Could you at least entertain the possibility it could be true and lynnfield is a Q3 09' product that in dual core variant will be costing 74-300$?
Lynnsfield is a QUADCORE product. Havendale is a DUALCORE product WITH GPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Lynnsfield Q1 2009, Havendale Q2 2009.
I really doubt there will be a Havendale costing 300$. They are heavily value oriented. Lynnsfield however will be in the 180-320$ Perhaps abit more.
And if you want to believe pcwatchs kaigon. Then check the old AMD charts...surely some mistake?
http://members.shaw.ca/virtualrain/n...alem-chart.png
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Originally Posted by Shintai
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2...gai397_01l.gif
2.66GHz Nehalem will be well worth its more than $325 but less than $400. That puts it at or near 3800+ launch price and similar to the E6600. Yes, this chart is old as well.
Yeah ,my mistake i thought of Havendale.300$ is not unreasonable price since it will contain GPU.
Is that mobo a BTX format? I like it. Wish all mobos were like it.
When was the last time you payed 300$ or something for a 780G or G45 chipset (not motherboard) and a lowend CPU?Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
$500.00..and no cpu..Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
http://www.supermicro.com/products/m...00/X7DWA-N.cfm
The one before that, X7DAE: $480.00
Before that, X6DA8-G2: $479.00
Before that, X5DAE: $366.00
For a poor guy I like the good stuff!:rofl:
So Supermicro makes business class IGP mobos now :poke: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman