BIOSTAR TA770 A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX at the Egg

I think you better check what everyone has said since mid-December and knows about Phenom NB and it's limitations and needs of high volts including Sami, gOtVoltage. If anyone knows how to oc or about Phenom, I'm sure you know Sami will. Email AMD support and find out. ;)
Sadly, I have to say your BIOS has a major bug that you guys need to work out. Your NB so far is showing only results of it being very near 1800MHz NB in all instances where only multiplier is used only. :(

You're on X64, your bandwidth should be far far higher at only 2200MHz on NB 1066 and no tweaks whatsoever. Your bandwidth is low for such clocks. Those results our systems can beat with near stock NB frankly, and we know how NB perf. scales with speed very clearly.

Also according to AMD/Sami, those NB speeds are impossible. Even 3GHz/2.8GHz above subzero is impossible. You need LN2 to get such high speeds and damn high volts for. It's like you hitting 6.2GHz on Core 2 on air. Fact is, you'll have to prove it with performance of 2.5GHz NB first. That's why NB was released unsync with the cores, it's hard to clock and causes instability quickly. Absolutely no way you'll even hit 2.8GHz on air with less than 1.55V with it, mark my word. ;)

The only way you can very clearly test NB speed is bandwidth/32M etc. They show your NB speed very very clearly. Like I said you should be over 18k Sandra with only 3.5GHz NB even without linear scaling (it scales pretty much linear).

At this moment, you should try working out what speed you're at by comparing performance of known NB speeds because your BIOS is giving off wrong NB values - most software will then fault based on it. I'll tell you a test for NB: WinRAR :yepp:

It scales very well with NB, no need for CPU speed, only NB speed with 800 or 1066 RAM stock can show the NB speed. You should top 2500KB/s with 2300MHz CPU, 1066 RAM and 2800MHz NB or your real clocks are lower.

Hope you guys figure and test this out better and iron out these bugs, major bugs at that. :D

New Bios! :woot:

222.BST
Date : 22/2/2008

Features:
- AGESA CPU ROM Version 3.1.1.0
- SB600 SATA ROM Version 2.5.15.40.33

Download Link:
http://www.biostar.cn/bios2005/BIOS/...8XA222.BST.rar

Thanks for posting that tictac.

I have to wonder how much of Polygons thread is being co - opted into the BIOS revs that are being released :) :up:

Ok i just installed another Bios 222.xxx Mod bios which uses the new 222.BST Biostar Bios ..

@Cpu2300mhz 1800mhz HT x 2 = HT3600mhz this is running at Mobo spec.

SuperPi 1m @ 1800NB 1800HT = 35.675s
SuperPi 1m @ 6200NB 1800HT = 32.610s

Im so confused that if the NB isnt doing anything why do i GAIN over 2s in 1M performance wise.

Why are the Applications running faster,, Why are my 3Dmark06 scores faster.

It dosnt make sense if its not working...per AMD 6.2g is max for NB

Also how would you bench mark WinRar ? isnt that just a file program like WinZIP.

How the heck would it benchmark?

Also Sandra shows the memory controler @ 6.2g..

Is the NB actually the memory controler speed?

L@@K below @6200NB its 6.2g..Now if i run Default with out raising NB its 1.8g.

There is over a (2 second gain from 1800nb to 6200nb) , how is this possiable then? Im no expert but something is making the CPU faster in all APPS!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...ontroler31.jpg

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

Im so confused that if the NB isnt doing anything why do i GAIN over 2s in 1M performance wise.

Why are the Applications running faster,, Why are my 3Dmark06 scores faster.

It dosnt make sense if its not working...per AMD 6.2g is max for NB

Also how would you bench mark WinRar ? isnt that just a file program like WinZIP.

How the heck would it benchmark?

Also Sandra shows the memory controler @ 6.2g..

Is the NB actually the memory controler speed?

L@@K below @6200NB its 6.2g..Now if i run Default with out raising NB its 1.8g.

There is over a (2 second gain from 1800nb to 6200nb) , how is this possiable then? Im no expert but something is making the CPU faster in all APPS!

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Played with nb multis above 9 via wprcedit and found that the max async latency was different between both setups. after i used the same mal via memset the difference shrank to about 1/3. I could not find other subtimings that differed.
Maybe L3 cache timings (assuming it has ones) are also affected. Do you need higher nb voltage to run those higher multis stable?

Check winrar's menues.

Im running Cpu @1.31volts with NB/SB @ 1.25v and HT @1.3v

Ill dload winRar and try bench with that then.. I just find this wierd..The system does do better,,but like KTE says that its diffacult to run even over 3.0g on the NB so this just seems crazy i know.

Ill try post more later.

It could be Bios bug or TLB fix just makes it run good..What ever it is when i go from(( 1800 TLB fix off to 6200 TLB fix off ))there is over a( 2 second gain,improvement in system speed)..Despite the TLB off mode the only setting being changed is NB! I just need to find exactly how ,why this gains performance.

Aha you see gOtVoltage, things are quite weird and you have to compare to known values. You should always test any setup to know facts. Software reading vs. Physical speed change are two different things. ;)

Have you seen my 14GHz K7.5 benchmarked? :lol2:

I've seen and known about these bugs on both AM2 and AM2+ with Phenom for a long while. They're very constant with AM2 users but easy to catch by the performance. They're typical BIOS bugs. I've spoken and shown them many times.

Keep two basics in mind:
1) Registers can read anything => software which reads registers only, if register is wrong, software which relies on it is wrong.
2) Phenom systems are known to read wrong registers and thus speed values many many times.
3 i) While the actual physical speed/multi of the system can be very different or not changed at all. You can check this by benchmarking only.

Let's take some examples.
You posted this oc 02-24-2008:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...0htcpu2300.jpg

The EVEREST Ultimate benchmarks of it you posted after (02-10-2008): NB 2800 vs. NB 5600

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u.../NB2800mhz.jpg http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u.../NB5600mhz.jpg

Quick comment: your IMC scores are very low even for 1800MHz IMC, the read is too low. Something seems wrong with the NB clock controller and/or register. Your scores should be higher even if those 1800 was real, even more with X64.

Now me and Achim compared MB RAM/Cache/IMC performance at the same clocks/timings. Have a look at these at 2200/1800/800. I'll choose to compare Achim's 9500 770 scores as the 790 boards were a bit better.
M3A results: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=259
K9A2 Platinum results: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=950
PC-AM2RD790 results: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=566

If your speeds were above 2200/1800 IMC, you should naturally have higher L1/L2 and L3 scores and lower latencies by far. You should have lower memory bandwidth and higher memory latency though due to us having tighter timings =>

http://www.abload.de/img/everest-gangedtp4.jpg

If you compare, your results are much lower than a 1800MHz IMC. The results mainly affected are L3 read bw and latency. Both of yours are low for even 1800 MHz (this bug is giving you poor IMC performance, even worse than stock). If you ran L3 latency which depends on read bw, it would be slow for even 1800MHz. If you look at the other's, they're even higher.

Now I'll show you the very obvious difference of real IMC clocks as Sami (AMD worker/pioneer allround overclocker) showed us a while back and how you can see them done in typical mode, not with services/processes/themes disabled but just the AV/FW paused from an everyday OS.


TEST REAL IMC SPEED

1809MHz (9x) vs. 2211MHz (11x)

EVEREST Ultimate (check the L3)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2...2stock2dy1.jpg
vs.
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5...22stockvl2.jpg

WinRAR

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7...6winrarte4.png vs.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2...2211winyq8.jpg


See the glaring difference and perf. gain? ;)
I also have near 2.6GHz real speeds benchmarked and plus 7GHz bugged ones benchmarked. Like I said, actual oc IMC requires high volts and is hard.

Compare the 7GHz benchmark, so you know what a bugged reading looks like (actual speed has obviously not changed from 1809).

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4341/nbbwevta9.jpg

No real change from stock (minor fluctuation is normal).

Re SPi: your score is actually still not optimized and fair slow for 2300/1800/800. It could get much faster leaving all speeds/timings the same. If even you managed 2200 IMC real, your 1M would be much lower.

HIH. :)

Thank you KTE,, for your input..Explains alot...The crazy thing is that means the STOCK BIOS for TA770 is very slow for Phenom...Using the Mods is the only way that one can really see the speed of Phenom on this Mobo...

Even with a Mod Bios the VideoGraphics links or Bandwidth/HT is even slower than what is should be...Ive tried GTS512 X1550 X1660 3870x2 and even some 1st gen GTS and all have a 10/15% reduction in speed using PCi-E 2.0 on this Mobo with Phenom..They do work at full speed with regular X2 chips..

This shows the Bioses need lots of work for Phenom...I believe Phenom should have its own exclusive Bioses for performance over these dual bios stuff.

Oh well we shall keep trying... ill keep all of you posted...

Thanks again:up:!gOtVolTage!

It's no problem at all, you're very welcome, I don't want users to get confused and not see the real performance increase with oc of all parameters. It's big and it increases with speeds. ;)
Plus I want the developers to iron these bugs out and fix them for all AM2 and AM2+ boards so end users can really get a good taste of oc'ing. Phenom is highly tweakable, quite complex in its running too.

Check my +7GHz NB run compared to the 1.8GHz Nb run, you'll see 7Ghz is actually slower. That's because the registers turn whacko. Your underperfomance looks for that same reason. Leave NB speed at auto or 1800MHz in BIOS, and see how it performs. Other 770 boards are not performing as bad as that nor any other Phenoms so I highly doubt it's the board, it's the BIOS and the BIOS settings you choose. :)

Phenom still needs better BIOSes. MBs which have decent BIOS are missing at least one or two other crucial components either in hardware or software compatibility. Ones that have these lack a decent stable BIOS. No one has it all yet. :(

Hope Polygon can smash something out of this. :up:

Linky

http://www.lejabeach.com/Biostar/TA770A2+/ 228.BST (BETA)not official yet...Stock Biostar

Polygon has a TLB fix already as well..

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000463;p=44

NPTfid and NB working with 9600BE...Thes Bioses still have a long way to go but keep getting better testing the (TLB disabled fix Bios) .. the 228.TBL MOD Works like a charm the NPTfid and NB clocks but memory @ 1066 can be set using 1066divider.. It will default to 800mhz.

NB settings seem to like 2000mhz and lower with HT being set the same...Before this Bios i had to use FSB or AOD to Oc...Now i can raise/lower the Multi along with the FSB:yepp:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...NPTfidBios.jpg

I am on X64bit..that is the only reason why i am not posting Oc's over 2.5ghz..It just isnt 100% possable ATM...It has to do with the 64bitOS and Bios..Those of you with 32bit OS should be able to crack 2.5ghz with out a sweat on the TA770 with the (Stock Beta228.BST) or (Mod Beta 228.TBL..TLB disabled BIOS..

Like always many thanks to :up: Polygon :up: for his TLB work and other optimizations..Funny he is way fast with these updates.

The TA770 can do 270+fsb with Phenom! I maxed out my ram 1080mhz @2.3volts with this Bios or i would of gone more...The Biostar Bioses need to be Optimized more fo Higher ram and CPU above 2600mhz!...The 228 Bios is Biostars latest BETA and Polygon has added only the TLB disable option to it...


The screen is CPU@ 2300mhz(8.5x270fsb) im now using 2400mhz (9x270fsb) havnt had chance to Oc more yet...What is nice is before this the TA770 would only do 230/240 max .....Its definatly a learning process:yepp:


http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...fsb2300mhz.jpg

I am looking for some help. Hope someone can take the time to help as I am a little confused on the Phenom overclocking as I have been out of the loop and was just using simple overclocking with past 5000BE and priopr to that xeon quad which was simple. I have been reading but see there are a few factors with Phenom overclocking, I just want to get to 2.5

I have:

Phenom 9500
TA 770 A2+ running Biostar 125 bios
2x2GB Gskill PC6400 4,4,4,12
Freezone CPU Tec cooler
Antec Neo 550HE

Questions:

1) Should I update to latest Biostar 222 bios or rebel havens beta 228
2) Is the TLB fix auto enabled in my current 125 bios or will it be auto enabled in the new 222 bios? If so what do I need to disable it as I see that appears to be the route pees are going
3) quick step to what I should be adjusting to get to 2.5

Use the 228.TLB from Rebelshaven...PHENOM ONLY BIOS

The 125BST and 222BST suffer bad ...performance takes a hit becuase yes they use the TLB fix.

Install the 228.TLB using stock default settings so you can set up all your hardware drivers what ever...This will prevent most problems...Also Set the correct Voltage for your ram but leave the timing on Auto...Then once everything is working go Back into BIOS to Enable the BooT Lan option and then set what ever timing and multi you may need..

The BootLan ENABLE will Disable the TLBfix in the 228.TLB bios.....

Also turning off CnQ to enable adjustable NB and Multi options...

If you use SATA make shure its set to Native IDE mode ..There are two different Sata controlers..I disable the First Jmicron Esata....and only use the Onboard Sata..make shure its set to IDE mode DONT USE AHCI.

Another Bios should be out Very soon from what Biostar states and is suppose to Fix many 9500/9600 and 9600BE disfunctional features...In other words we should be getting a kickAsss Bios soon and you know Polygon will disable the TLBfix:up:

The performance of the 228.TLB is night and day over the 125 and 222 bioses...

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

Use the 228.TLB from Rebelshaven...PHENOM ONLY BIOS

The 125BST and 222BST suffer bad ...performance takes a hit becuase yes they use the TLB fix.

Install the 228.TLB using stock default settings so you can set up all your hardware drivers what ever...This will prevent most problems...Also Set the correct Voltage for your ram but leave the timing on Auto...Then once everything is working go Back into BIOS to Enable the BooT Lan option and then set what ever timing and multi you may need..

The BootLan ENABLE will Disable the TLBfix in the 228.TLB bios.....

Also turning off CnQ to enable adjustable NB and Multi options...

If you use SATA make shure its set to Native IDE mode ..There are two different Sata controlers..I disable the First Jmicron Esata....and only use the Onboard Sata..make shure its set to IDE mode DONT USE AHCI.

Another Bios should be out Very soon from what Biostar states and is suppose to Fix many 9500/9600 and 9600BE disfunctional features...In other words we should be getting a kickAsss Bios soon and you know Polygon will disable the TLBfix:up:

The performance of the 228.TLB is night and day over the 125 and 222 bioses...

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I really appreciate your feedback. I have not played with overclocking MAD quad in a while and got a bit lazy

Currenlty I am running 125 all auto in the current bios. I will do as mentioned and come back with more questions I have not changed a thing as when I replaced the 5000BE with the 9500 I had issues just getting to boot so once I was able to get into bios I just selected the default settings and have left everything default prety much

I will be back with more questions and hopefully once overclocked I can contribute with some feedback to help others

Appreciate the help, last question when I flashed to current 125 I used the interenet bios method , are we okay with the 228modded bios using internet flash or only via floppy, I can not even remember if windows flashing allows one to select the bios file

I wouldnt use the Intranet flash if my life depended on it:yepp: ...A floppy is safer than that!...What if the connection goes down in middle of flash or some wierd stufff...


I use USBstick or Floppy or Burn file to CD....But never Internetflash ,its real iffy..

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

I wouldnt use the Intranet flash if my life depended on it:yepp: ...A floppy is safer than that!...What if the connection goes down in middle of flash or some wierd stufff...


I use USBstick or Floppy or Burn file to CD....But never Internetflash ,its real iffy..

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I am flashed up to the 228 bios now I just figure where I start,. I ran the tlb exe fix.

I got questions guys. Check my thumbnails out. Why does CrystalCPUID show the cpu running 11x230 = 2520 yet cpuz shows the multi at 5.5 x230 = 1265. I have the tlb patch enabled. I was in my bios I upped vcore by .037 which i plan to drop to either .012 or additional .025. I plan to lower mem timings as well to 4,4,4,12. I have mem set to ddr667 in bios I left the HTlink at 1800 in bios and ht frequency at auto in the TA770 A2+ bios. What is difference between "ganged and unganged"? Should I select a specific value for HT frequency in bios, should I select DDR800 in bios over the 667 setting. System has been priming for last 30 minutes with vcore at max of 42 with my Freezone CPU tec cooler on lowest setting

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5919/cpuzuy1.th.jpg

Well update system primed for over 5hrs rock solid, today i upped fsb to 234 left everything else the same and decreased voltage to additional .025 over default. I disabled the tlb patch and cpuz still shows cpu at half speed that crystal cpuid shows. CNQ/Smart fan optio is disabled in the bios, searching around for throttling to see if there is any setting such as that as well in the TA770 bios but can not seem to find anything, anyone else got ideas?

Do you have AMD Phenom Driver INSTALLED? Phenom Processor driver required for propper funtion of Phenom...You need this even if not using QnQ for the Phenom too run 100%.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._15259,00.html

Keep your ram timing stock 5-5-5 with auto settings for now and use Ganged ....Make shure every thing is stable...make shure Ram is set to correct volts...

Make shure you HT link width is set to (16)
Make shure your GFX setting is set to Autononomus and (16x) i aslo set watts to 175max for stability while overclocking the Videocard.Works for all Cards...have Tested 8800GTS/GT G92/ATI3850/3870/3870x2..


When raising the FSB make shure the NB/SB volts are raised maybe two steps along with the HT volts..This also helps with stability when raising FSB...

Note:2.2HT = 1600mhzHT
.......2.0HT = 1400mhzHT

Example: When FSB raises you need to lower the NB and HT the same so the FSB dosnt raise them above 1800mhz total...You will get a better Oc..

Use NB@ 1600 and HT@2.2 when using 230/240 fsb.
Use NB@ 1400 and HT@2.0 when using 250/270fsb.

This will not hurt performance..You dont want the NB or HT to go above 1800mhz for stability reasons when raising the FSB...

For memory with the 228.tlb bios set the Ram to 400mhz it will Oc as your FSB goes up:yepp: If you havnt noticed the Dividers dont work how they should yet..

Below are afew screens so you can see how the lower NB/HT does when you raise the FSB..It shows how your memory will react as well.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...bvolts1_3v.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...nbvoltsmod.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...fsb2300mhz.jpg

The FSB Oc's easy when correctly done..It takes time...This Mobo has lots of potential and Biostar hasnt even released the Bios that lets us fully tweak Phenom 9500/9600/9600BE...It will be out soon ...The next one is suppose to have many 9600BE fixes...The Bios Polygon has tweaked for use is a Beta version which in no way is optimzed yet...

More too come soon....Need help Just ask:up:

gOtVoltage, I am starting to lose it, take a look at the screen shot. Let me see what I am missing perhaps you can help me out.

I have added the AMD Driver from link you gave me, I was unaware of this. Following each restart after modifying the settings below I have ran the tlb disable exe so phenom is running at full speed and I have tested a winrar file to confirm.

I have made these changes as you mentioned

HT Link set to 16
NB @ 1600
HT @ 2.2 with FSB @ 237
Mem Clock set to DDR 400 not 800,667, or 533

My question, I noticed the settings below can be changed but mine have always been at default

CPU DID options to change to 1,2,4,8,16 default has always been 1
CPU FID: x11 : 2200

I have also changed the GPU settings to
Autonomous Switch and 16x and upped to 175w for vcard overclocking and stability, but just help me get the incorrect cpuz speed corrected before I clock the vcard lol

I noticed in memory timings submenu (I think ) there is:
TMING MODE w options : AUTO or MAX Mem Clock or Manual

I tried manual and Max Mem Clock as well as Auto which is default they make no difference

CPUz version is 1.44.1 Feb 08 version, it still shows my multi at 5.5 and clock speed @ 1300 half what crystalcpuid and coretemp show which are showing correct clock speed of 2.6. I have also enabled and disabled the Onboard Lan Boot Rom setting and does not change this issue. I also loaded AMD Overdrive and it shows the multi at 5.5, the system is running at 11x237 why these 2 programs show the multi and clock speed being half I am stumped, it is an anomaly. I just finished priming for 2 hrs at 2.6 it is rock stable

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1...ocksme3.th.jpg

Cisco Kid: your system is definitely oc'd to the MHz and voltage you chose, but you have CnQ enabled, only that can give you the 5.5x multi at stock.

Open AMD Power Monitor and load the system, and check if each core speed/VID fluctuates on load.

Open CrystalCPUID > MSR Editor, check MSR Number: 0xC0010070 > hit RDMSR and post the EDX/EAX values back, they'll show what CPU multi you're running.
Repeat for MSR 0xC0010062 and 0xC0010064.

gOtVoltage: great going with max HT there :up:

@KTE,, hopefully ill be able to tweak 2.6/2.7 ...The 9600BE clocks wierd compared to 9500/9600 it seems:D Bioses are coming along for the TA770 finally...Thanks to Polygon of coarse:up:

...Found that i can finaly change the memory divider with this bios and BE....


@Cisco Kid,, id check what KTE suggest and also ive listed some things below;) ...


VERY IMPORTANT...if you used a X2 before installing the Phenom!

Make shure you DO NOT have (DUAL CORE OPTIMIZER DRIVER) installed you know the X2 DRIVER ,,,, while running the AMD PHENOM DRIVER...


Also in add remove programs and check that only AMD PHENOM DRIVER is installed ,, not the AMD Dual Core Driver...That will 100% give you that problem if both are trying to run...Been there done that:D




NOW MEMORY TIMING and CPU MULTI SETTING..
Ok a few settings for ya to go over in Bios ...To change memory dividers...


1st,,
go into DRAM CONFIGURATER in BIOS...

set,,Timing MODE = MANUAL...


2nd,,
go into MCT memory timing...

set 1st setting to manual ...
Leave all settings below it on auto and make shure auto tweak is off..EPP enabled if you have EPP memory.

Then you can choose what divider to run 400/533/667/800...1066 dosnt work so dont use it:yepp:


Now to make shure your seting your NPTfid correct and CPUdid.....Boot your system with these settings first before enabling the BOOTLan option For TLBdisable fix...


1st,,
set the CPU Multi to stock...

CPU/NPTfid to 11x 2200mhz is (9500)

CPU/NPTfid to 11.5x 2300mhz
(9600be or 9600...)

2nd,,
DONT TOUCH (CPUDID) it stays (Freq/1..default) all the time...

Reboot your sytem and go into windows with all stock settings you should be able to see that everything will correctly read the CPU Freqency...

You should now be able to confirm your settings are correct in CPU-Z and AOD or CoreTemp ...:D


Note: remeber if your gonna raise the FSB and use NPTfid lower the NB/HT to 1600mhz for up to 230fsb and 1400mhz for up to 270fsb...

Also use a low memory divider seeing the FSB will overclock the RAM..

Example ,,

800divider = 1080mhz ram @270fsb
400divider = 270mhz ram @270fsb

Take your time ,,dont change everything at once ,,its easy to forget even when writting thing down:D

Phenom is not a,,Lets just slap on a Oc chip thing,,You gotta work for it:yepp: ..

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Originally Posted by KTE

Cisco Kid: your system is definitely oc'd to the MHz and voltage you chose, but you have CnQ enabled, only that can give you the 5.5x multi at stock.

Open AMD Power Monitor and load the system, and check if each core speed/VID fluctuates on load.

Open CrystalCPUID > MSR Editor, check MSR Number: 0xC0010070 > hit RDMSR and post the EDX/EAX values back, they'll show what CPU multi you're running.
Repeat for MSR 0xC0010062 and 0xC0010064.

gOtVoltage: great going with max HT there :up:

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Thanks guys for the great and informative reply posts.

I did have a 5000BE chip running prior but I do not believe I had the AMD dual core optimizer installed. I have installed the Phenom driver via link you gave above gOtVoltage.

I have looked for CNQ in the bios I have not seen that setting unless I have missed it I have seen Auto fan which I have disabled whether and it always has been disabled as I am using liquid cooling.

I will d/l AMD Power Monitor to confirm and I will also check CrystalCPUID MSR Editor and post back the values.

I will also go over what gOtVoltage posted, I agree the Phenom overclock is alot harder to get where you wanna go vs my past xeon and C2Duo and 5000BE. So far though I am happy with 2.6, if I can get 2.7 bonus as long as I get good stability :) thanks for help guys and will post back later when at home....

@Cisco Kid,,, Look for (AMD COOL and Qiuet )and (disable it) its also called CnQ:D

Its right below CPU 200fsb setting...:D

This will allow you to use the NPTfid option .

Set Nptfid to 11x 2200mhz boot into windows and CPU-z and all other programs like AOD and Coretemp will read (11x200) 2200mhz...I think youve been overclocking with CnQ on and its confusing the other programs while reading CPU freqency..

hehee Keep us posted...Your also using the 228.TLB bios correct...

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@Cisco Kid,,, Look for (AMD COOL and Qiuet )and (disable it) its also called CnQ

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Okay, CnQ has always been disabled, when I referred to smart fan, I was referring to another submenu where you have the option of smart fan selection of 3 pin, 4 pin connection or automatic. I was asking in reference to that. I have had that disabled as well as CnQ from the time I started overclocking with my 5000BE. I also never had the dual core optimization driver ijstalled , the only driver installed is the one for the phenom you linked above

I have taken another screen shot and I am posting the values of crystalcpuid, it appears that after I hit the RDMSR tab the EDX/EAX values are the same. I installed the tlb.exe file into the same directory crystalcpuid was installed, did I miss something here because everytime I run the patch it says phenom at full speed

But currently I have everything set proper in the bios to place the chip at the indicated fsb of 240x11 = 2640 with DDR set a 800. If you look at coretemp it shows the fsb 240x2 = 480 the HT speed is correct and 480x5.5 = 2640 AMD Power Monitor shows 1100 frequency which is half the stock speed of 2200???

Did I install the tlb.exe correctly? I unpacked the exe file to the same directory that crystal cpuid was installed into and it is from there I run the tlbexe file. The weird thing is the MSR values before the patch and after the patch is run are identical??? Onboard Lan Boot is also enabled in bios and I am running the A78XA228 tlb beta bios from rebels haven site http://www.lejabeach.com/Biostar/TA770A2+/ I do have my shat fairly together, lol

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5943/tlbtb2.th.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3...nie1xk5.th.jpg

Here is another screenshot via control panel, showing 2.64ghz . I do not want to hear a format will correct it all, lol.......
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3...2640tf3.th.jpg

last note, core 0 in Prime benchmark failed after 34 minutes, 1,2,3, are still going, there would be no way a core would fail (well I guess it could is it was defective) if the system was running at half speed. I only have an extra .025 vcore added over default and my freezone cpu cooler is running on nearly the lowest setting

I appreciate the help you guys have given , but where do I go from here please no reformat to star off clean.........

With The 228.TLB bios you should only need to (Enable BOOTLAN) to turn TLBfix OFF .
leaving the BOOTLAN DISABLED will KEEP TLB FIX ON...

Your sytem has me stumped too trust me..



Also ,, Enabled BOOTLAN..AOD will show a yellow circle around the button(telling you the TLBfix is disabled/off)...

If you run Everest or AOD bench it will show a performance gain when the TLB is off(yellow)...

FSB problem seems very wierd indeed...It almost like the CnQ never disabled but is allowing you to use the NPTfid...

Have you tried a reflash at stock settings(Optimized default) then perform the Flash?

It could very well be a buggy flash..Its happen to me before but on XP64bit..
I am now running XP32bit with same Bios ...I have not had that Multi issue and im even flashing VoltMod NBcore Bioses of that same version 228.TLB..

Try unistall the AMD Phenom Driver and reinstall it...you never know...
Ive been lookin into your problem and the only way ive been close to reproducing it was by removing AMD Phenom Driver...But then all the programs would show half clocks not just one or two..

This is what id do...
Remove and reinstall AMD Phenom Driver.....Then remove CPU-Z ,Crystal and any other monitoring programs even GPU-Z that you may have installed...Even RivaTuner...

Then id Reboot and set optimized default for bios....Then reflash the 228.tlb with stock settings ..

After the reboot go back into bios set HT link width to 16x and PCi-E settings and default memory/CPU settings and boot into windows...

Then install CPU-Z and maybe CoreTemp ,,Hopefully they will register normal...If they do proceed ,install the rest of your Monitoring programs and Crystal then raise your clocks back up....Hopefully it will work that way..

This is a Beta Bios and Ive been able to run 280fsb with out that problem and using numerouse other settings....

It verywell may have been a buggy flash...It does happen..

You should not need to reformat......That would be last resort anyhow....


Let me know what happens...

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

With The 228.TLB bios you should only need to (Enable BOOTLAN) to turn TLBfix OFF .
leaving the BOOTLAN DISABLED will KEEP TLB FIX ON...

Your sytem has me stumped too trust me..



Also ,, Enabled BOOTLAN..AOD will show a yellow circle around the button(telling you the TLBfix is disabled/off)...

If you run Everest or AOD bench it will show a performance gain when the TLB is off(yellow)...

FSB problem seems very wierd indeed...It almost like the CnQ never disabled but is allowing you to use the NPTfid...

Have you tried a reflash at stock settings(Optimized default) then perform the Flash?

It could very well be a buggy flash..Its happen to me before but on XP64bit..
I am now running XP32bit with same Bios ...I have not had that Multi issue and im even flashing VoltMod NBcore Bioses of that same version 228.TLB..

Try unistall the AMD Phenom Driver and reinstall it...you never know...
Ive been lookin into your problem and the only way ive been close to reproducing it was by removing AMD Phenom Driver...But then all the programs would show half clocks not just one or two..

This is what id do...
Remove and reinstall AMD Phenom Driver.....Then remove CPU-Z ,Crystal and any other monitoring programs even GPU-Z that you may have installed...Even RivaTuner...

Then id Reboot and set optimized default for bios....Then reflash the 228.tlb with stock settings ..

After the reboot go back into bios set HT link width to 16x and PCi-E settings and default memory/CPU settings and boot into windows...

Then install CPU-Z and maybe CoreTemp ,,Hopefully they will register normal...If they do proceed ,install the rest of your Monitoring programs and Crystal then raise your clocks back up....Hopefully it will work that way..

This is a Beta Bios and Ive been able to run 280fsb with out that problem and using numerouse other settings....

It verywell may have been a buggy flash...It does happen..

You should not need to reformat......That would be last resort anyhow....


Let me know what happens...

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I am thinking exactly along what you are saying. Tommorrow, as it is beddy time for me I will remove monitoring software and the phenom driver, reboot and set stock default settings leaving onboard lan boot disabled, then I will reflash the 228 bios then enable lan boot rom and load some software to check speeds. If all seems normal I will then overclock the settings

Over and out, hope to solve this anomaly, even with 2640 stable I will be happy for the $150ca I paid for this retail chip but like you more will not hurt. hopefully future bios will unleash and correct ram ratios and produce some more performance. I just want to get this quad stable and then see if I can last a while bfore changing gear again lol

Also make shure the SB600 southbridge driver is installed...This also adds a ATI IDE controler in Device manager when its installed...If you dont see it in Device manager its not Installed...


http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...r.php?S_ID=310

Download the CHIPSET driver and Extract to C:\ then install it reboot when done...

This is a reqiured driver and prevents many crashes glitches...All windows Vista/XP installs a Microsoft driver by default ..This means check device manager ...If ATI IDE controler is not there download and install it..(pertains to 770/790 chipsets)

Also use the (Marvel Driver for Lan) from Biostar..The one Microsoft has is buggy for the Marvel Lan controler...

Hmm, A770 is cheapest OCing board out there... the reviews look kinda ghey, but I bet half of them f**cked up the build themselves...
Is this board gonna limit ur OC any more than another AM2+ board, besides things like 4-phase, etc...

I was wondering if they are going to come out with this 770 chipset paired with the SB710 at some point since I am having a hard time deciding between a board like this biostar or getting an EVGA 590 SLI due to all the issues the come from the SB600. But according to gOtVoltage most of these issues are fixed by just making sure the SB600 drivers are installed.

Well things are getting better with this Mobo...Waiting on the Real 9600BE Bios Biostar is working on...they said it would be ready this month over two weeks ago...So im still waiting,, well all i can say for under $80.00 makes a decent clocker so far X2 and is getting better for Phenom with each Bios...

Aight, I might just go with this or the Abit AX78... Phenom 9850 will tell all...

@ gOtVoltage I am flat out stumped. I reset bios to stock clocks, I then removed AOD, and AMD Power Option program, I removed cpuz and crystalcpuid as well as any other benching software like everest. I left the phenom driver installed

I reflashed the 228 bios, control panel following restart confirmed stock clocks, I then restarted and overclocked to 2.61 with all previous settings and onboard lan boot rom enabled. Then installed crystalcpuid and added the tlb.exe files to same directory crystalcpuid was installed which I created. The I checked clock speed with crystalcpuid, it showed 2.61 with the tlb patch disabled using version 1.04 as I was using 1.05 before, I then launched cpuz which again showed half the clock speed and a 5.5 multi.

I then tested using winrar benchmark and it confirmed something is off, as I was getting a speed of 350kb/s not the 1200-1400 I should get at full speed. I am fully stumped and I can only see this being solved with a friggin format which really sux as I will lose game progress.... enough for tonite will come back see what you guys can suggest. By what I have posted have I installed the tlb fix correct, is there something I may have needed to edit, any screenshots needed that may help me prevent a format? I will be pissed if I format and still have the issue.....

Note I had always wondered what ATI SMbus was as I had a read x beside it in hardware control panel, I installed the chipset driver you linked to above hoping it would resolve the issue, still same problem, I am not getting the proper rate with winrar benchmark, the fix does not appear to be taking even though it says it is enabled and I am at full speed upon running the exe file. 5.5 multi still shows up with half clock speed with cpuz and core temp shows each core at 2612.xx (475.xx x 5.5) I am perplexed and enough for now

Cisco Kid: I just checked your ss of CoreTemps and AMD Power Monitor.. it's actually showing something very wrong as in something most likely at boot setting the 5.5x CPU multiplier and 8x NB multiplier even though your HT is high. The fact that Windows is picking up 2.64G tells me there's some big issues there. On load having 5.5x multi is not normal, only if MSRC0010070 is reading 5.5x multi would it be reading that.

There is an easy way to troubleshoot it like I mentioned in my last post. Post back the RDMSR values (press) under EDX and EAX after you type 0xC0010070 into the MSR Number field. Do this again but for 0xC0010062, 0xC0010064 and 0xC0010065. I'd like to see all the returning values please.

They'll show which multi and which P-State you're actually in.
Your system is obviously oc'd at boot but looks to be switching P-States to a 5.5x multi by a "fix" or some code execution after booting at 2.64G. So [maybe] it boots fine at the normal CPU multi but after boot changes to CnQ multi of 5.5x .. maybe by changing C0010062 to read EAX "0x00000001" instead of EAX "0x00000000".

BTW your last ss shows your system booted without the patch. ;)

Format will have nothing to do with CPU MSRs and multis, they're a BIOS/CPU thing entirely. :yepp:

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Originally Posted by KTE

Cisco Kid: I just checked your ss of CoreTemps and AMD Power Monitor.. it's actually showing something very wrong as in something most likely at boot setting the 5.5x CPU multiplier and 8x NB multiplier even though your HT is high. The fact that Windows is picking up 2.64G tells me there's some big issues there. On load having 5.5x multi is not normal, only if MSRC0010070 is reading 5.5x multi would it be reading that.

There is an easy way to troubleshoot it like I mentioned in my last post. Post back the RDMSR values (press) under EDX and EAX after you type 0xC0010070 into the MSR Number field. Do this again but for 0xC0010062, 0xC0010064 and 0xC0010065. I'd like to see all the returning values please.

They'll show which multi and which P-State you're actually in.
Your system is obviously oc'd at boot but looks to be switching P-States to a 5.5x multi by a "fix" or some code execution after booting at 2.64G. So [maybe] it boots fine at the normal CPU multi but after boot changes to CnQ multi of 5.5x .. maybe by changing C0010062 to read EAX "0x00000001" instead of EAX "0x00000000".

BTW your last ss shows your system booted without the patch. ;)

Format will have nothing to do with CPU MSRs and multis, they're a BIOS/CPU thing entirely. :yepp:

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@ KTE

Thanks for your help I have popsted back the values, great to hear a format will not correct as I was about to just start but will leave alone till home from work later and see your feedback/suggestions/corrections. Currently system is returned to default settings for now as I had planned to format, glad to hear may be able to solve otherwise. CnQ is disabled as well as smart fan option also

RDMSR Values:
0xC0010070 > EDX 0x00000000 EAX 0x00003006
0xC0010062 > EDX 0x00000000 EAX 0x00000000
0xC0010064 > EDX 0x800001BD EAX 0x00003006
0xC0010065 > EDX 0x8000018D EAX 0x30003046

Hoping this looks to be my issue on line 2, I am unfamiliar with editing the prog, be back later

thanks:up:

Ok ....This is definatly wierd....

Between what KTE and me and other have said should of fixed that.......


Maybe you Could you try the 125.BST or the latest 222.BST Official Bioses....set the defaults for your Chip...It has the TLB fix enabled but ,,im pretty shure the FIX or TLBdisabled is not your problem in the 228.TLB BIOS....Almost seems CnQ is not Off/disabled in Bios or Windows when using NPTfid even though you have it set to disabled.

It should read normal values of 11x200FSB...with (CnQ on in Bios) . Once you turn CnQ (off with 125.BST or 222.BST or even 228.TLB) it should now show half clocks unless you have NPTfid set to 11x2200mhz with the 228.TLB.

Polygon at RebelsHaven is using a 9500 and same Bios....Im shure if you post in this thread http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000463;p=49 he could give ya the much needed help...

I believe Sam2008 and Orion is using a phenom and TA770 and same Bios as well ...In all its probally something simple were all overlooking;)


NOTE:,,
Also have you tried another NPTfid instead of the 8x...
I was only able to get use of 8.5x or Higher NPTfid and using HT/NB as low as 5x = 1200mhz...

Try the 9xNPTFID with 250fsb = CPU@2250mhz use 1400mhzNB and HT 2gig = 1400mhz...this will make HT/NB 1750mhz...Use a low memory divider like 400/533..

You may have come across a MOBO bug using a certain NPTfid multi who knows...

Before trying another BIos Check the settings in the screens posted...Differance you should have will be the use of a NPTfid Multi ,,FSB ,, Memory divider,,Voltages. For the Most part everything else should remain on Auto except for things you dont use like USB's Esata and maybe the BOOTLAN(TLBfixOFF) ..

If using SATA make shure you Use the ONBOARD Sata in IDE mode...

Hope this helps ya..

DISABLE VIrtulization..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...sierra/129.jpg

DISABLE SmartT FAN

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...sierra/128.jpg

HT link width 16x....

HT 200 = 200mhz ,, HT 400 = 400mhz ,, HT 600 = 600mhz,, HT 800 = 800mhz,,

HT 1gig = 1000mhz,, HT 1.8gig = 1200mhz,, HT 2.0gig = 1400mhz,, HT 2.2gig =1600mhz,,

HT 2.4gig = 1800mhz max 2.6gig is same as 2.4gig...

Note; Raising FSB above 230 you will lower HT and NB the same from 1800mhz to say 1600mhz...and above 240fsb to say 1400mhz/1200mhz..The fsb will bring this value back up....You want to try to keep it around 1800mhz for your Oc..Mobo dosnt like below 1200MHZ with High FSB..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...sierra/127.jpg

TIMING MODE under MCT must be set to manual to allow changing the Memory Dividers 400/533/667/800works and 1066 defaults to 800mhz..Set your RAM DIVIDER lower than 800mhz before you Oc or you could max your ram if it dosnt clock well.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...sierra/124.jpg

MCT Timing i keep AUTO for first boot ..ehn go back and set to manual if you want to tighten timing...

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...sierra/125.jpg

If overclocking and manualy setting the Ram Dividers make shure (AUTO TWEAK and OPTIMAL PERFORMANCE MODE EPP is OFF) It can set Timing too low and Crash the system..i prefer manual timinig anyway..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...sierra/126.jpg

CnQ must be off to access these options Below....

The 228.TLB BIOS Beta
CPU NB-fid ...

CPU DID = dont touch...keep it at 1...

CPU fid...Set value of CPU Higher or lower....
you can use this in conbination of raising FSB/CPUclock...

In the BIOS on boot it will only show what CPUNPT multi freqency your using it will not show FSB..Its Bios glitch...In windows it will show correct clocks or if you use the Memtest in Bios..

last Voltages will vary for some cpu's over others...HT volts will need to go up alittle and maybe NB/SB....its trial and error really.....


http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...sierra/123.jpg

If you have any more qestions or need more screens of other Bios settings just let me know:up: ...

@ KTE & gOtVoltage:


Well I am gonna flash to the most recent Biostar bios. I just dropped the multi to 10x

I reduced 2.2> 2GHZ
1600>1400
fsb > 250
ram default
=2.5ghz

Core temp and cpuz still show the half multi and here is the real weird thing it is the same 5.5 not 5. Onboard lan boot rom is enabled cnq is disabled as well as smart fan option, Control panel system shows system at 2.5 crystal cpuid shows 2.5 core temp shows correct clock speed of 2.5 but beside it shows 454.58x5.5 and cpuz show half the clock speed. Take alook at the screenshot below, somethng is messed up, how does cpuz show clockspeed at 1375.1 with a multi of 5.5 and the other progs show the clock speed of 2.5

I have taken a sceenshot of tlb showing the patch is disabled correct? Why are the RDMSR values all 0's could this be where the problem lies KTE

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2728/screenmb3.th.jpg

I am gonna clock to stock and then flash a different bios any suggestions, original Biostar? Their latest?

Try the Origanal 125.TSB....It does have the TLBfix enabled and wil be slower

I believe you can raise the FSB up to 210/220/230 using this Bios to check to see if in fact the FSB or clocks are working correct...

IE: 210x11 = 2310mhz 220x11 = 2420mhz and so forth...At least That what its suppose to be...

I do know that CnQ disabled will show 1/2 clocks in windows while using the AMD Phenom driver...Also if the AMD DRIVER NEVER INSTALLS Correctly or is corrupt it will always read incorrect clocks....

Also Do you have any program installed that changes the registers or monitors Phenom that may be conflicting in your OS...I mean anything that can access the CPU via reg/MSR...

Its like some program/driver isnt allowing CnQ to operate normal in windows..

One final thing ,,what happens if you go to a KNOW GOOD restore point before you overclocked anything? If its software or driver maybe it will fix it?...

Well i cant think of anything more...I hope something works...

Dang i just noticed that your using the TLB disable tool along with the 228.BST Bios...I thought Sam's tool worked for Vista but not XP...i wonder if its enabling something that isnt suppose too..Seeing the BIOS has its own ENABLE/Disable funtion they could be conflicting..

DONT Flash it yet...i just ran the MSR and its the same....Thats normal....Its something else..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...rra/notmsr.jpg


ALSO with (CnQ ON )stock defaults have you gone into windows and uninstalled AMD PHENOM DRIVER then Reboot and Reinstall the Driver...with 228.BST bios? For some reason it looks like the AMD driver is not working....If i remove just the AMD driver on my sytem the same thing happens....

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

DONT Flash it yet...i just ran the MSR and its the same....Thats normal....Its something else..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...rra/notmsr.jpg

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Okay so if I am on XP with SP2 and prolly 3 should I just be using the onboard lan boot enabled selection to disable the tlb patch? But I would think that you would only cause a conflict if you run the tlb patch Sam created while in windows in addition to the onboard boot lan rom being enabled


Now I think I may have found an issue, I flashed to 228 using the biostar flash utility, I have no floppy in my system and am unsure how to do via usb key. kick me 30 times in the head if using the windows based flash utility may have caused some sort of issue. I will wait for a reply, I do not want to go to 125 bios, before I do that I will install Vista business edition that I have although it is 32bit and I am waiting to go 64

I just checked his thread the tool works for XP but still looking to see if it works with 228 bios and XP

Also ,, i just read his thread too...:up: I wasnt shure....I would only use the LANBOOT to disable Fix when running 228.TLB or other Bios that Polygon has modded for the Fix....

Sam Polygon and me have tested the fix in and out,,with no problems...

Something is not enabling the AMD Driver i think...Its funny is that i uninstalled AMD Phenom Driver to check this very issue and that was two days ago ..I just Uninstalled/reinstalled it and it didnt install the First time.....When the Install manager loaded it disapeared...I though wow that was fast..

I checked in ADD/Remove Programs and it wasnt there...So i Ran it again and it finaly installed..It will show a AMD driver icon in ADD/Remove programs when installed...

So now i guess can you check to see if indeed its installed in ADD/Remove program..Because if it isnt there that may be your Problem....i discovered this last week when i install SP3 it removed AMD driver and a few ATI drivers when i installed it...

Hehee You didnt by chance upgrade from SP1 to SP2 did ya?
..i know but if Sp3 did to me it could Sp2 you...

Any how can ya checK for the Driver,, If its not listed in ADD/Remove reinstall it..

lastly when you press Cntrl Alt and then tap DEL for Task manager does it show 4cpu boxes? For CPU usage History..If theres only 2boxes somethings wrong with the driver or XP install..

..Also if the Flash took and your in windows it should be good..That tool downloads the Bios to the HD and then Flashes it live..If you followed everything correctly it should be alright...

For PHENOM 32bit unless you have a 9850 stick with 32bit,,64bit is still alittle buggy yet for Overclocking B2's

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

Also ,, i just read his thread too...:up: I wasnt shure....I would only use the LANBOOT to disable Fix when running 228.TLB or other Bios that Polygon has modded for the Fix....

Sam Polygon and me have tested the fix in and out,,with no problems...

Something is not enabling the AMD Driver i think...Its funny is that i uninstalled AMD Phenom Driver to check this very issue and that was two days ago ..I just Uninstalled/reinstalled it and it didnt install the First time.....When the Install manager loaded it disapeared...I though wow that was fast..

I checked in ADD/Remove Programs and it wasnt there...So i Ran it again and it finaly installed..It will show a AMD driver icon in ADD/Remove programs when installed...

So now i guess can you check to see if indeed its installed in ADD/Remove program..Because if it isnt there that may be your Problem....i discovered this last week when i install SP3 it removed AMD driver and a few ATI drivers when i installed it...

Hehee You didnt by chance upgrade from SP1 to SP2 did ya?
..i know but if Sp3 did to me it could Sp2 you...

Any how can ya checK for the Driver,, If its not listed in ADD/Remove reinstall it..

lastly when you press Cntrl Alt and then tap DEL for Task manager does it show 4cpu boxes? For CPU usage History..If theres only 2boxes somethings wrong with the driver or XP install..

..Also if the Flash took and your in windows it should be good..That tool downloads the Bios to the HD and then Flashes it live..If you followed everything correctly it should be alright...

For PHENOM 32bit unless you have a 9850 stick with 32bit,,64bit is still alittle buggy yet for Overclocking B2's

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Well AMD processor driver is in the control panel, 4 cores do show in task manager, I am on XP Pro SP2. I downloaded the bios from rebels haven, extracted the bios file to desktop then ran the biostar utility to flash.

I checked Biostar and see there was a newer flash utility however I d/l it and tried to run it but nothing happens. So I uninstalled it and will try again perhaps file was corrupted. If 64 bit is a bit buggy I will leave XP SP2 for now. I have not reflashed 228 yet , I am running a dual boot with XP Pro SP2 and XP64, I should load up software on the XP64 partition and see what readings it shows with the same progs, I still bet it will show the 5.5 multi issue

I need to figure this issue out cause I need winrar to run at full speed as I use it alot and noticed on a 4 gb file it took forever, in addition I want full speed not some gibbled system

Gonna try the flash right now then some tv enough reboots this eve:cool:

Your Dual Booting XP32 and x64XP....Depending on what OS was installed first ...I believe its Suppose to be XP32bit and then install 64bit if i remeber correct...


Your 32bit Os i bet is messed up from the 64bit partition/Instalation maybe

Ive had that happen when i installed 64bitXP pro and Then XP32bit was installed after...

I couldnt figure things out and then Fdisked it all and Ran just 64bit when i first had Phenom...After i found Phenom didnt like X64XP too much i switched to XP32bit...

I will no longer Dual boot those two Os's...

I believe thats what your problem really may be...Is a Dual booting issue!

when you run a dual boot XP32 must be the first system installed I learn't that the hard way.

I have given though to that and I am just gonna do a fresh format and just either use Vista 32bit or XP Pro I am unsure right now. If I go Vista do I want to update with SP1, Thats my last question for tonight.....

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

when you run a dual boot XP32 must be the first system installed I learn't that the hard way.

I have given though to that and I am just gonna do a fresh format and just either use Vista 32bit or XP Pro I am unsure right now. If I go Vista do I want to update with SP1, Thats my last question for tonight.....

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Make shure you use Sams Fix for VistaSP1 and im pretty shure that was tested with 228.TLB...:D

..Hmm sounds like Murphy's Law say's "If you say you arnt reformatting ,,You will be reformatting:ROTF:J/K had too...been there a few times too.


Note: Vista 32bit and DX10 what id do ..Also XP Pro with SP3 runs smooth but no DX10...and no TLBfix is in Sp2 or Sp3 if you like XP..( XP32bitSp3 is what im running ATM) ..

keep me posted...curios.....

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

when you run a dual boot XP32 must be the first system installed I learn't that the hard way.

I have given though to that and I am just gonna do a fresh format and just either use Vista 32bit or XP Pro I am unsure right now. If I go Vista do I want to update with SP1, Thats my last question for tonight.....

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Yes please fresh install XP 32bit SP2 :up:

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Originally Posted by tictac

Yes please fresh install XP 32bit SP2 :up:

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tictac, you usually have some great posts, I went Vista 32 bit ultimate, I hope it will solve my issue as I was just tired of installing and removing software, hopefully if I layer the right shat on my B2 Phenom works proper as it clocks quite well and all I want is 2.7, yeah I know you may be thinking 2.7, why not 3ghz, I just don't wanna go there , frankly I regret getting rid of my x3210 680i system at this point...

but all the love and kind help here is making up for it , appreciate it guys as I usually spend time on oc.com but have been outa the game for a while:up:

Your MSR are pretty screwy there, they're reading 00 for NB VID and 1.25 for CPU VID, which would I've no idea why, but to me it looks like blank rather than any returned value. It looks fudged, either because of OS or BIOS+OS. Flashing a different BIOS will show you if its OS based better and looking at what you've done, new OS is the way to go now. :)

Would be a good idea to see what happens when you change CPU VID/CPU FID to lower and higher using that app. going through P-States.

Testing new BIOS OFFICAL 328.BST ....Download from Rebelshaven ,,There is also one that has the TLB disable BootLan ..Im using it now...This Bios was released to Better the 9600BE performance ....I no longer get any random crash @2500mhz like all the other Bioses..So they did something good..The draw back they took away the MCT timing feature:mad:

The Pro is the NB runs 1000/mb/s faster than the Previous Bios with TLBpatch..

I was hopeing for more stuff from them but ,Im shure well see from the next Bios..This one is lots more Stable with 9600BE and thats what i wanted...


New Bios...Today....
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000463;p=50

Maybe give this one a shot Cisco....:yepp:

Note: XP32bit Sp2/3 so far has been most stable for me as well..Im temted to go with Vista32bit for DX10...But am using XP32bit untill the TA/770 Bioses are More stable from Biostar...They are improving:up:

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

Testing new BIOS OFFICAL 328.BST ....Download from Rebelshaven ,,There is also one that has the TLB disable BootLan ..Im using it now...This Bios was released to Better the 9600BE performance ....I no longer get any random crash @2500mhz like all the other Bioses..So they did something good..The draw back they took away the MCT timing feature:mad:

The Pro is the NB runs 1000/mb/s faster than the Previous Bios with TLBpatch..

I was hopeing for more stuff from them but ,Im shure well see from the next Bios..This one is lots more Stable with 9600BE and thats what i wanted...


New Bios...Today....
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000463;p=50

Maybe give this one a shot Cisco....:yepp:

Note: XP32bit Sp2/3 so far has been most stable for me as well..Im temted to go with Vista32bit for DX10...But am using XP32bit untill the TA/770 Bioses are More stable from Biostar...They are improving:up:

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how those BIOS perform on X2?

Havnt had time to throw in the old X2-6000+:D I may in about an Hour just to see how it clocks with the 3870x2 and this Bios....

Im trying for 2.6/2.7mhz with the 9600BE...These Bioses still limit the Phenon to around 2.58mhz-2.6mhz...So far 9500/9600/9600BE ive only seen 2.58mhz stable with TA770...Im pretty shure its 100% Bios related seeing only half the Options work with Phenom...

On the Other hand the X2 chips reach 300+fsb and still clock to 3.5mhz with Official Bioses ,,so for now it seems Biostar has a lot of work to do yet for Phenom...

So just to confirm if I run the modded 328 tlb bios I use the tlb pact in order to disable/ Is the onboard boot lan rom "enable" still used or does one leave it disabled with Vista 32 bit OS

I flashed before work and the Biostar 328 bios would not let system reboot with stock clocks, it would just hang so I have to fiddle some more

well I solved my issues with a true dos mode flash back to the 228 , tried 328 tlb. now I just have to make sure the tlb exe is working properly with XP SP2 as you noticed before my values were out of wack

will be back a bit later..

Have you done all the XPSP2 updates ,,then Install AMD Phenom Driver and AOD 2.17 if you use AOD...

On the 228TLB make shure you set the HT and NB to be @1800mhz if raising the FSB...

Make shure Ram is running full speed as well..this will affect system speed and overall performance...

@ gOtVoltage

well the dos flash cleared up the half multi issue. However since I have not been able to duplicate the overclock I was obtaining prior. I have some questions if ya got the time great

I have listed below what I have changed and what I am not sure of

Integrated Peripherals Sub Menu
-Onboard Devices
>Onboard JMB362 Sata - Disabled
>JMB362 Sata Type - IDE Controller

-South On Chip PCI Device
>On Chip Sata Type - Native IDE

-PC Health Status
>Smart Fan Option - Disabled

-Overclock Navigator Engine
>Manual Setting
>xCPU Voltage - how much extra?
>Memory - set to 2.2 (Gskill PC6400 4,4,4,12 2.1-2.2)
>HT Voltage Regulator - 1.30v
>NB/SB Voltage regulator - 1.1.70

-DRAM Configuration
>MCT Timing - Manual
>Bank Swizzle Mode - Enabled
>Auto Tweak Performance - Disabled
>Optimal Performance Mode - Disabled

>Timing mode - Manual (but mem timings left at default)
>DCTS - Ganged

-HT Link
>HT Link Width - 16x
>HT Link Frequency - ? (this is what I do not quite understand I see it goes 200/400/800/1ghz/1.8/2.2/2.4 or Auto)

>CPU Clock - 220 (this is what I want to obtain as I was getting 237 before I cleared up my half multi issue and reflashed proper in dos)
>CNQ - for overclocking I have tried enabled & disable see last comment down further
>CPU-NB FID - 1800 for 220-230fsb correct?
>CPU DID - left as is
>CPU FID - x11: 2200 (leave as is when overclocking?)
>Memory - 533 or 800 for the 220-235 range where I would like to get, just help me get to 2.5-2.6 and I am happy:)

And Last
CPU Vitualization - Disabled

I have had no luck at 220-230fsb/ .062 additional vcore , HT Link @ 16x, HT Link Frequency at 2.2/ CPU-NB FID 1800/CPU FID x11:2200/ 533 mem/ tried CNQ disabled and left enabled

The system would post but I would get screen saying system cpu speed changed runnning in safe mode, F1 to continue or DEL to enter bios, if I continued when booting into windows I would be at default clock speed of 2.2 as if the settings changed in bios were not taking effect. At 230fsb the initial post screen would not complete loading all info and a restart would make system hang until I cleared cmos?

Stumped so for now I have loaded optimized defaults for Overclocking Navigator Page

Also
>CNQ - (I tried it enabled & disabled, oddest thing when I left it enabled 220fsb worked but when I entered windows I got the half multi issue again when I ran cpuz so I restarted and disbaled it and could not load windows and had to eventually clear cmos to load optimzed defaults)

New Bios and More settings comming soon from yu Guessed it Polygon....


So far i almost RMAed my 9600BE...oh it just seemed like numouruse problems...The ATI driver reboot problem was icing on the cake..It really made me think my CPU was slowly going ...Seemed it needed more volts was very unstable and would even not go on some times....o i almost RMAed it ..Im so amazed at what a better Bios can do fo a chip...

I know 300mhz over stock ,,woopty dodada sounds like a First run 6000+:D

I Simply Flashed the Bios Set the Nbvid and left ram stock and then set the NPTfid to 12.5x and fsb to 210...

So then Booted it right up:D.....Still going thruogh the New Bios will post link after few more tweaks from Polygon.....

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...a/nicebios.jpg

@gOtVoltage

are you running modded 328 bios now? I flashed to that one but it did not change the success I have had, will just run it for a while and continue trying different settings:confused: what is success on the 790 boards?

Yeah ...this is the SPX Bios though with Advanced settings for CPUvid NBvolts...

I recomend that you get used to the 328.XXX bios...Its has all the same settings except Nbvolt adjustment.....They are both faster then the 228bios by far...More stable too..

328.SPX using 1.31volts on the NBcore....All tweaks are done in Bios and CPUvcore is 1.39v....

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...a/nicebios.jpg

:D Its funny how a Better BIos has my chip above 2.6ghz...Ive picked up Vista64bit /32bit and Xp32bit all becuse of problems not going over 2400mhz..then when i get that fixed there was the ATI driver problem limiting me to 2450-2500mhz Even on water...So Now i get that fixed and run this Bios and im at 2625mhz on Air....

Very complex Phenom is...One never knows whats really in the Box of Phenom untill one gets a good bios....Its a relentless rulet game we all play..

Looks like Biostar needs to release another new bios.. Can only get two cores to operate on my X3 8750 :shrug: Its not an OS issue either..

Worked fine on my gigabyte 780G..

Quote:

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Originally Posted by lemonlime

Looks like Biostar needs to release another new bios.. Can only get two cores to operate on my X3 8750 :shrug: Its not an OS issue either..

Worked fine on my gigabyte 780G..

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Have you Emailed Biostar and see what they say....They are pretty good at getting a response back .They show that thier latest bios is 8450+/8750+ up to 9850+ compatable..Make Shure AMD Phenom Driver is installed and you have the Most Recent BIOS ATM...:yepp:The BST125 dosnt fully support X3 only the 328Bios does.

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...t.php?S_ID=310



I know that another Bios is due soon..So far ive only tested 6000+ and 9500/9600/9600BE . @ Rebals Haven all is good and the 9850BE's are doing 2.8/3.1mhz on this mobo with the Mod Bios..I dont think any one has tried a tripple yet at that forum with the TA770.

This thread has become huge and is the Biggest TA770 thread there is..The latest Bios is very tweakable for Phenom and X2's but ,like i said i havnt seen it used with Triple Core yet...Could be worth a shot if your in to trying Mod Bioses.

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000014;p=72

So has anyone tried this board with K8 chips? Namely the 4850e?

im a total newb when it comes to am2 i have the biostar ta 770& phenom 9500 what do i neeed to turn off&set to overclock it? thanx

Well for starters, Please read the linky below....its very detailed on the TA770...Using 9500-9850.....

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000014;p=74

I encourage you to use a Mod Bios to disable the TLBFix for B2 if you run XP....If runing Vista you need Sams Vista Fix which is mention half way through the thread.. I highly recomend the 328.BST Mod Bios or Higher for all B2's this will give the best Stock or overclocked performance!

Bioses page..

http://www.lejabeach.com/Biostar/TA770A2+/

You will want to FLASH the 328.XXX or the New revised 514.XXX

There is so much about this mobo i will not try to Fastly cover 74 pages of overclocking Info. Instead i though id point you in the right direction and if you choose to flash a New Mod Bios ,Make shure its one of the 2 metioned bioses above.

If you use ANY Official Bios with B2 you will LOSE about 12% performace due to TLB Fix enabled in Bios and Overclocking will suffer!

If you flash to a 328.XXX or Higher Bios ,i can give tell you what to set in Bios ..I will not waste time with a 228 or lower Bios unless you are keeping it stock..

Hope i didnt sound to harsh...
1st
Flash to good Bios and Load Optimized defaults..

2nd
Set your Ram Voltage to its VoltSpec...( Set your ram speed and leave all other Ram settings on Auto/ Ganged ) Reboot then set the The TLB fix DISABLE to ENABLE..This ENABLES THE DISABLE TLBFIX.... Then your ready to start setting Oc...

3rd
Once you do that ,i can then help ya on Bios settings ..

ThanX


gOTVolTage

NEW BIOS MOD AND STOCK BIOS 612

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...14&p=77#001146

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;f=45;t=000124

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;f=45;t=000123

Im testin now and results are pretty good VS all other Bioses...


9600BE @2.5ghz/2200mhzNB @1.20v......L3 = 8800mb/s with 1066 ram...Systems respond better than any previose Bios and even has an Second GFX powerslot setting Hmmmm..They have done performance tweaks this time around and added support for More CPU's...

This budget board can run any X4 to date and is well worth it over any other 770 mobo ..Well besides the TA770SE+ .

the 612 BIOS unleashed some NB/L3power in my B2(it was never stable @1800 while @2.58!!!!!!!!

612.XXX Coretemp CPU-z Everest.(trial version)you can see the BIG differance very easily.

Looking below..
@2583mhz( MAX on the 514bios)while using 1800NB and a whopping 1.32vNB with a huge bump 1.44vcore just to get it stable...Thats alot of Vcore and only 83mhz more from preveouse setting of (@2.5mhz with 1800nb 1.20vNB //CPUvcore@1.23v. this was my 24/7 setting...

Now just by changing to the (612.XXX Bios) 2.6mhz,, 13x200fsb and 2200NB was achieved with little hassle..NBVID was set to 1.20v(1C) and default Vcore!

The sytem increased its speed a fair amount...So with this Bios allowing me to raise the NB 400mhz more than stock and using lower volts 1.20vNB CPUVcore was default Vcore..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...nb_612bios.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...00_612bios.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...ierra/ram1.jpg

LOOK close because even though there is only a (17mhz speed differance on the COREs),,The NB is Running at 2200MHZ with 1066mhz(612XXX)VS 1800mhz and 1100mhz/ram(same timing) as in th (514.Bios)
Even with Ram and FSB@200 with the Old Bios i could not raise the NB above 1880 let alone achieve 2.6 just by using the 13.5 multi..There are suttle diferances in this new Bios which seem to improve the Stability for B2 bottom line..

Note: More Speed ,,less volts and Higher Oc...OMG :40beer: I know i am not doing Extreme benching , Yes this chip is a COLDbuggered one,No boot below 12c with 1.3volts and stock @2300mhz setting was Problamatic with X64!


:D Achieving 2400mhz+ was the goal with this particular chip..2600mhz was well = to going to the MOON for me.. :D


612XXX BIOS @2600mhz//2200mhzNB stock 1066mhzRam
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...00_8840mbs.jpg

514.XXX BIOS @2583mhz//1800mhzNB 1100mhzRam
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...18_2583mhz.jpg