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interesting sounds like non-supporting yorkie bios might think the QX9650 is 1066MHz bus cpu and default to 266FSB strap latencies versus 1333FSB bus cpus ???
also works with qx9770 :D
http://82.173.172.10/Rol-Co/fastpc.JPG
So, changing starp would be the same than doing this=?Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
That is most likely what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Perhaps one can simulate this by booting at 266 FSB and use setfsb to desired frequency.
Has anybody tried yet?
Nope....It's not this......I ALWAYS play on 266 strap.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
not working....you can tryQuote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
tried several settings here with a suported bios but never came close...
in everest you see some diference in subtimings, but those timings you can't find it at the bios.
i think some hidden board timings/settings.
with this, first sub 10 score at 4515.....:shocked:
maybe 266FSB Strap for 1066Mhz bus cpus is different from 266FSB Strap for 1333mhz bus cpus.
It can't be faster consistently unless it involves lowering some hidden latencies somewhere. That's all that can really happen but good to know. Cheers. :)
I think that it has to do with the "instractions" of the CPU given and nothing more.....Maybe it doesn't work it's SSE3 or something like that....Who knows....?.... :)
ah...yes, I remembered, my 5689mhz 7.969sec is done on Blitz Extreme 0804 bios.
but after I update to 0904...I never reached that speed ag. :(
i'm too lazy to flash back the bios :D
Buy a new motherboard :D :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorWang
Ok, no more jokes :D
This thing is weird.
What's making the SuperPi 1M faster ( with older BIOS ) and 32M slower at the same time ?
Instructions can't be, because as far I remember SuperPi uses only the SSE instructions ( the 1.5 XS version ) [ not SSE2/SSE3/SSSE3/SSE4 ]...nothing new here.
What could it be ?
Somebody checked if the same thing happens with a C2Q KF ( KentsField ) ?
Just to check if it's just the newer BIOS degrading the 1M performance anyway.
Only difference i found was:old/new
Read delay phase adjust : +1/normal
dim 1 clock fine delay 7t/9t
dim 2 clock fine delay 2t/5t
dim 3 clock fine delay 6t/9t
dim 4 clock fine delay 2t/5t
but personaly i don't think that is making the difference to the 0.3 sec
@Rol-Co or someone else, can you please take screenshots of MCHBAR sequences for me? If yes, just drop me a pm, and I'll explain how to do.
Dunno but may be I can identify what's going on.
Have you seen 500 fsb yorkie 32mpi stable scores?
I've played with this cpu and get some Vic's comparable scores, (higher fsb, lower ddr3, strap 200). I'll try better ddr3 soon.
500x9 32m pi
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2038/1059532mi1.th.jpg http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4...0453as4.th.jpg
500x8 32m pi
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9733/0959797gd5.th.jpg http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5...1031df4.th.jpg
1m pi don't likes me or I don't know some tweaks, get just near 11,5 at 500x. don't try 804 bios atm.
Nice testing!
Its good to see the FSB 500 :D
small update brought by kielbasa squad. this time the same yorkie, the same mb, better ddr3 (strap 266, 1:2 divider and 7-6-5-18 timmings) gives a 5s better times than few days ago :D.
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5...4625hu2.th.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5...4562wi3.th.jpg
it's not really maxed out yet;).
But it's MB dependant.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeLecT
With X48 driven P5E3 Premium it seems, it's not so obvious like with BE. (i meant FSB500).
Has someone figured out why that particular bios is so much faster?
Anywho, thought I posted these here: graphs from 499 45nm chips (DDR2/3 split up counts 115+233=348 results):
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...S/4100time.png
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...S/DDRsplit.png
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...-/XS/PPDDR.png
Now, I have made a few drawings on some of the graphs as well, as it seems that something rather weird is happening, at least it looks weird to me :).
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...00timeedit.png
This is the graph which shows the Mhz vs 1M information. Normally, all these points should be representated by 1 y= comparison, however it seems that there are two comparisons instead of one.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...man-/XS/PP.png
Performance product. Here we seem to spot two groups of performance products, why?. If you look at the DDR2/3 split up graph, you see it has nothing to do with the ram. It seems like there's an empty space between 45500 and 46000 :confused:
Any of you noticed a difference in memory performance that is related to a boot FSB? Not like a cut-off as it was for P965 chipset, but sometimes a particular FSB, I mean a single FSB value among others gives far more bandwidth than expected...
I have posted it in another thread, but nobody seems to be interested because I've got no reply; BTW it might be something important to look at.
Ok; I experienced that while investigating MSI P35D3 functionning, but maybe it exists for other brands with P35 chipset.
Quote:
Originally Posted by before
I hope its not my eyesight massman, but are your graphs really showing sub 44750 with DDR2? :confused:
Is this only Kev by any chance as well?
Sub 45k:
Edit: I do not have all 1M's of course, so there might be even more sub45k's out there. I have used HWbot's and Ripping.org's data along with some scores of OCX/XS/Cooaler.Code:Name Score Cpu Memory PP cpu
OPB 7,735 5739,4 551,9 44394
OPB 7,89 5657,7 638,5 44639
OPB 8,25 5412,4 563,8 44652
Rolco 11,234 4000,2 640 44938
OPB 7,468 5913,8 844,8 44164
OPB 7,578 5811 1020,3 44036
OPB 7,578 5811,6 715,3 44040 (maybe DDR2, not sure)
Victor 9,469 4750,4 950,1 44982
Coola 7,813 5746,4 44897
Nice tweak Rol-Co, i m going to try it on maximus Extreme :D
... if first bios doesnt reconize correctly the yorkfield.
To be honnest, I'm not surprised to see this :). When testing my DFI P35 (well, I'm still testing:p) I noticed that 500x7 is 32M stable when I boot at 500FSB. When I boot at 399FSB, 490x7 wasn't even 1M stable!Quote:
Originally Posted by before
I reckon the same problem would be visible at 265 and 332 FSB.
hey before i thought my Gigabyte was weird as i started to notice some strange behaviour like that heh :up:
absolute best FSB i can get out of SS cooling and 9xmulti with E8500 and SS
need that half a multi :(
45K efficiency too :D on DDR2
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3...5137mhzhh5.png
Heavy stuff, Dino. Do you still have headroom? You're still not sub45k :D (3Mhz less or 0,06s less)
Damn, my previous drawing was pretty crappy, here's what I really meant by two lines:
of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
i want to break 45K past 5.5GHz ;) :D
if i could only find a motherboard that can handle these RAM sticks it would be soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much fun
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/968...msuperpsw4.png
this particular gigabyte is shaving off 10-15MHz FSB on another board :(
and slot 3 and 4 clock a LOT worse so no dual channel serious DDR3 benching until i find something else
my asus P5E3 DLX is dead :(
to break 45k, you don't need DDR3 ;)
i would like to smash it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
DDR2 is possible to
there are no tweaks there at all LOL in my runs
Seriously? Raw system power at 45k PP? :eek:
yeah man :DQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
but 32M times suck lol so gotta work that out heh
Should do more research, but I reckon it's all about the 570FSB, no?
nahQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
i can do that at lower FSB too
it's this board and bios
Same advantage as the 0401 bios of the Maximus Formula SE? Do you have a higher PP when using another bios of the same board? If so, what's the difference with the other biosses?
So many questions :p:
GB has crap bioses aside from first releases IMO for extreme overclocking
for normal use and stuff they should be similar donno
So F2 outperforms F5 (with updated 45nm support)?
LOL, it seems like bios updates slow down the 45nm cpu's :D
problem is that you can't clock FSB on anything other than F2Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
so if you plan to be stuck around 450MHz FSB on a dual core that can do another 100+ good luck ROFL
clock for clock it was a touch slower too
1M uses CPU cache should it should be some kind of indicator i guess and first bios is just fine
i asked gigabyte for half multies to be added to F2 DDR3 bios and F3 DDR2 bios
if that happens all is good and i will not change bioses after i get the half multies heh
true thatQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1...iciencyzf3.png
not optimised yet
Still no tweaks?
still no tweaks
ran it again
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3...iciencytt7.png
As far as I know, you now are the most efficient bencher behind OPB and Coolaler ... :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
He's just another cheater. :rofl:
Haha, Zeus :)
Just wondering at what PP he would be with tweaks and even better rams :)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
well i have been hanging out at OCX :shocked: :D
anyways here is the problem
no tweaks here either 'cept for LSC of course
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7...16mhz45uv8.png
it could be the case that my OS is just really dirty
did i mention i keep reusing the same install on all Intel chipset motherboards cause i'm lazy to install an OS from scratch :eek: :D
my 1M tweaks are not that greatQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
probably just low maxmem value
i reckon it would probably go down to 44.85K at most
Low maxmem? Why is the real memory a number with 10 digits then?
i haven't applied any tweaks yetQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
i am saying when i bench 1M i just lower the maxmem value and start benching
hey Dinos, you don't have a separate HDD for benching? :eek: Why no perf. level 6/7 @ 513?
this board can't do better than 9 LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
maybe 8 may be ok but yeah it's not that great PL wise
the thing is my 32M times were very nice with E6850 so not sure what's up
Maybe bios related?
this is the same as F3 biosQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
GB techs just added half multies
F3 bios is what i usedwith conroe OCs
but i guess it could be bios related for Wolfdales donno
This thing really is bios related, can't go past that. There are only three (DDR2) motherboard/bios combinations I have seen hit 45k or even sub 45k and those are:
Gigabyte X38-DQ6 - Bios: F2
Asus Maximus Formula SE - Bios: 0401
Asus P5K-E - Bios: 0503
Just checked cpu compatibility of those bioses: none of these bioses support 45nm chips as support has been added in later revisions.
You can add P5E3 WS with 0124 Bios. Hipro was this your BIOS during spi benches ? Me yes (7,891s @ 5733Mhz)Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
Thanks, Jmax, Hipro was using the Blitz extreme and bios 0904.
There seems to be a difference between DDR2 and DDR3 motherboards, though.
Massman they don't need an update because they already support them
Not officially :).
Those three DDR2 boards give awesome 1M performance with biosses before the micro-code update of the 45nm cpu's. With other biosses it seems to be less performant (or I haven't payed attention to it, which could very well be)
gigabyte does not have a single decent bios aside from first release for both DDR2 and DDR3 boards :( (as in poor FSB performance and very buggy RAM dividers)
i can do similar efficiency with DDR3 GB board too so you can add that to the list lol
and i used two bioses this F2 0115 and F3 on DDR2 board
btw massman F2 0155 bios is basically F3 bios with yorkfield/wolfdale support massman ;)
same efficiency
with F6j bios 32M SuperPi is quicker with QX9650 :S
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7...f58f596nl2.png
Dinos22
Its bios related, not supporting bios is fast @1m and slow @32m so newer bios give you better performance on 32m .
@massman
Blitz extreme ddr3 has the same issue....45k on DDR3 :)
http://rol-co.nl/hwi/3600-45k.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rol-Co
It is. @IxTk we are currently investigating this matter. So far, I can only say that there are changes among both MSR and MCHBAR registers. Not sure if we'll find exactly what's happening.
BTW We are looking for dumps done with other motherboards than the P5E3 WS Pro which is the one we actually use. Making comparison with several different boards can help saving so much time.
If you're using Gigabyte X38-DQ6 - Bios: F2; Asus Maximus Formula SE - Bios: 0401; Asus P5K-E - Bios: 0503; or any other one with which the phenomenon occurs... Could you please save CPU-Z registers dumps (.txt) and then send them to me? What we need are 2 dumps, (1) with pre-45nm bios and (2) with post-45nm bios; both done under the same conditions (I mean the same bios settings).
If you wanna help but still have some questions, please feel free the ask me in pm... :up:
i'll help out next time i bench
i will also use X38T-DQ6 (DDR3 board) early bios to see it does the same
Same here with Blitz Extreme :) I was also going to investigate mchbar registers, could be on of the reasons
Thanks guys :toast: Any help will be greatly appreciated! :up:
http://www.ixtremtek.com/images/Asus...PI1M@7,984.png
Working on efficiency here. :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...25#post2746325
You need to shave of 0.145 before :D
dumps coming up,have new cpu and try te get you dumps of maximus formula/blitz extreme/striker II formula
Yeah; thx for your help!
An hardware tweak is needed :) Actually, it looks quite improbable to get sub-45k @ nearly 5.7GHz.
Nobody wants to help? :(
What you guys can get in term of lowest pp with a post-45nm post? Any sub-46k out there?
so far my lowest was around 46.2
Mine was 45900pp; dunno if that's because I've started to play with the right MCHBAR offset, or if that's thx to a well tweaked OS.
45900 with which multi and clock?Quote:
Originally Posted by before
400.4FSBx10 1:2 7-6-5-15 IIRC
hmmm hard to tell, you are on the edge, I can go 460xx, maybe even 46 flat with DFI, but not under it, and can make 449xx with 45k BIOS with Asus on 600fsb 1:1 ddr2. What does runs say if u just playing with mchbar? (leave some win setting and tweaks and just play with mchbar, any different scores?)Quote:
Originally Posted by before
Before, that's 4004Mhz? :)
When I was doing 32M low clock @ 8x500 833 6-5-5 I also did quick 1M (time 11.500) and it was flat 46K or slightly less because cpuz read 3 values - 3999.9, 4000.0 and 4000.1.
Yeah; but 500FSB is very helpful. Anyway; I can't test it more because my cooler master PSU have just died killing my VGA + P5E3 WS Pro... :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
ouch sorry to hear man :(Quote:
Originally Posted by before
My best was 8.860s with 9x570 1:1 4-4-4, so 4545x :) . And archived at not 1M boosted mobo :)
:shocked: :shakes: :(Quote:
Originally Posted by before
What mb and bios?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaSell
45112 with P5K-E (0307), have some interess?Quote:
Originally Posted by before
BTW, do you know if Blitz 965 has the same issue?
Thanks,
:( sorry to hear thatQuote:
Originally Posted by before
Thanks guys for those kind words. :)
Could you please make some dumps with your P5K-E?Quote:
Originally Posted by N3RO
Dunno about the Blitz 965.
Do you mean the 1250Watts Cooler Master PSU?.....If yes, when I show/investigate it, I didn't even bother to test it....so I was lucky I guess..... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by before
Yep; this one... ;) Maybe mine was faulty.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Some preference about CPU freq.? Default is enought?Quote:
Originally Posted by before
Thanks,
P5K pro with some "middle" date bios, don't remember nowQuote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
Lets say 399FSBx10; anyway it doesn't mind at all. Just be sure to boot with same parameters. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by N3RO
New run by Team Serbia :up:
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9...z11469syl4.png
P5K premium Bios 0202 , no optimisation (i did 11.600 with same os and bios > 0202)
http://www.pt1t.net/p5kpremium/4gp_p5k_premium.PNG
http://img163.imagevenue.com/loc912/..._122_912lo.JPG
on P5K-E wifi/ap with 0602 bios:)