As far as I know intel is providing these only to certain system builders...i was lucky, because just having an intel rep won't necessarily help. I was super lucky now that i really think about it.
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As far as I know intel is providing these only to certain system builders...i was lucky, because just having an intel rep won't necessarily help. I was super lucky now that i really think about it.
Congratz man on your skulltrail board :)
I am sitting now and thinking how was I happy when I got mine bad axe 2 and E6700. Now I am deprest because when I see this, I have no comment.
Just waiting for those benchies...
Can i have your full address with appartment number and zip code? Some h00ker is coming to see ya and she takes only new hardware for payment. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9
Pimp....
that badaxe2 board is a great board! nothing to be depressed about. This thing is super overkill in all honesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by railer
I'm gonna use it to process some crazy excel spreadsheets! LOL!
and play some minesweeper!
I would so like do build a dualie (a single GPU one) but I really dont know what I could use it for today to really see a benefit in private use.
Anybody got any ideas that could sway me? :D
For bragging rights!!!! LOL!
that's the only reason why i would ever pay for a setup like this.
Actually, can I give my left one as well in return for two of these? After all, I suspect that they are no longer functional, plus I am done with the procreation business lol :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Actually, is it even possible to run COD4 on one set of SLI and Crysis on another set of SLI at the same time ? rofl
So this morning i got a hold of Silverstone and for some reason this time they want me to pay for a case.....can you believe that? the nerve...LOL!
So i called up my buddies at Tagan for a favor right after and then lookie lookie....20 mins ago they pull up with a very nice Blackpearl case. So the build begins!!!
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...AxMzUuanBn.jpg
no not possible....all for cards will be synced to run one monitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
Just some mental math...
Two cpus = $3,000; mobo =$600; 8 GB FB-DIMMs = $1,200; four 8800 GTs - $1,200; five 147 GB x15.5 SAS drives = $3,000; LSI or Areca controller = $800; X-Fi Elite = $250; Two optical drives.. make one a Blu-Ray = $1,000; four 24 inch Dells = $2,400; one centerpiece 30 inch Dell = $1,100; case = $400; keyboard and mouse = $100 (gotta settle for the budget version lol); speaker = $200; Watercooling = $1,000
That's about $17K.. never mind the downpayment on that new car the wife is asking... college for the kids? college is over-rated :)
Now... tell me again... how do I become a computer supplier or retailer ? First.. I quit my day job, right? rofl...
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
working for a system builder may have it's perks but it definitely comes with it's downsides....trust me!
definitely a dream system! but we're gonna have to make some cut backs cuz $100 bucks for keyboard and mouse ain't gonna cut it...i have to have my tarantula keyboard and death adder mouse! no exceptions!Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
tarantula's are over rated, the adder isn't tho :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9
ok enough about rodents and keyboards, we want benchies!!!!!
I'm most interested in the bios options. Voltage tweaks, etc.
so noone ever answered me, does the skull trail have SAS?, cuz it doesnt look like it to me....
nope it doesn't seem to have sas on the board.
Actually other than it's OC potential, a good sm or tyan ( if they would add oc options in the bios ) may be better
Can't WAIT to see more... you're going to bust some records here for sure with that setup.
Here's a quick shot of my V8:
http://i3.tinypic.com/89vsg0z.jpg
Hey Crazy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9
The 8800GT is readily availible over here in Japan...send me a PM if you want to work something out.
SleazeUSA has the BFG OC 8800GTs for $299 each.
Thanks guys for all your patience in my build! I know this is taking very long but just bear with me. So i just got back home and mounted everything in the case so here are some shots.
I just noticed that tagan had the rear fan mounted backwards so i'll have to change that LOL!
Enjoy!:D
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...nsystems/3.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...nsystems/1.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...nsystems/2.jpg
that looks F'n Good!!!!!!!!!
:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
OMG!
You have to show us some 3DMARK06 and SUPER_PI with that monster!
[]'s
Simps
thats awesome
why not mount those V1 on the other way ?
hey man you may have a problem with 4 8800 gt's, they only have 1 SLI header on the PCB, so you cant link more than two together....
and also you should flip those V1 180 degrees
Are those just regular 9500 Zalmans? Sure look pretty from the top view. Do 9700s fit ?
u should try ur ati cards they will actualy work in a 4 card setup with 2x2900 and 2x3870 since they have the card headers and ati scales better
Pretty sure those are ThermalTake V1 heatsinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
Because when i tried that initally the V1 on the right towards the back of the case wouldn't fit. It would hit the aluminum center divider and wouldn't allow me to mount the motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
So i had to settle with them mounted this way....i know it sucks but oh well!
So thats what was used to make crysis, no wonder no one can run it :rofl: .
not really, Crysis doesnt even support quads, i doubt its going to run any better, and those FB dimms are going to slow the system down....if anything its going to be slower because of latency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkatom
has everyone misside that quad SLI aint gonna work, what is your plan for this crazy?
I am majorly jealous. Where does he get all those parts for testing?
I thought only the GTS and GTX cards are QUAD supported (Maybe the upcoming G92 GTS). I still questioning why Intel chose Seaburg for gaming. They should've stayed with DDR2 to get max OC.
With all the heat from those Dimms alone I would bet that LOX is the only way to go 4+ GHz.
Let the benches begin....
Ya know in all honesty I don't expect it to work myself. Nvidia has been so dissapointing when it comes to crap like this that it seriously wouldn't surprise me if it didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
The fact that they can barely even get TWO cards to work together properly makes it worse!
I really don't have a plan...if it doesn't work then it doesn't work, if it does then great. :shrug:
In all honesty the computer industry is very much like every other industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by threeply
You gotta know the right people. Try to find ways to build contacts at different companies and once you have that established maintain that relationship and don't keep it just business related. It takes time.
But also remember that getting free stuff is great and all...but what's more important than that is information. information will get you into more places than just getting free stuff:)
Curious how 2 PSUs will run in one system :confused:
its not drivers its the cards, the gt only has 1 sli header so it cant be chained but the gts/gtx have 2 headers so that u can chain them like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9
http://www.extreme-pc.ca/imagegallery/CrossfireX4.jpg
while those are ati cards nv uses their new tri/quad system the same way
so how u will have it u will have duel 2 card sli sets so u can play 2 games at once or something on 2 monitors
I'll just go ahead and clarify this so that everyone knows:
I've already seen the way they hardware configure the 4way SLI. I can't describe it only because i'm under NDA.
My skepticism lies mainly in the fact that the system was not running so I can't confirm that 4way actually works. But I have in fact seen the hardware setup and with the way they explained how it works makes sense but at the same time actually getting it to work is another story.
The only reason why i brought up Nvidia is because SLI is nvidia's technology and we all know that it's not perfect by any means.
***ya know while we're on the subject, 4way running on this platform is not new news. Very credible reviewers have been reporting about it for months now. albeit they don't have any evidence to back it but it has been talked about for some time. Just because we don't understand how it will work doesn't mean they can't get it to work.....***
Ok Crazy, when you get that bastage up and running here's my Cinebench run for you to demolish. That I know of this is the fastest Cinebench run out there except for Intels own V8 system shown at Cebit:Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAFiZ
( They beat me by 400 measly points!:rofl:
FYI- Nvidia isn't daisy chaining the cards like that for 3way. All 6 connectors are used from all 3 cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
i'll end my discussion regarding SLI on this board with this. Just something that you guys can start pondering:
"The real innovation in the Skulltrail platform is the incorporation of NVIDIA SLI support. To enable SLI support, Intel incorporates two NVIDIA nForce 100 MCPs which act as a PCIe to PCIe bridge."
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...trail_preview/
I have 4- 2 gig Transcend DDR2-800FBDimms here at my house right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
They are 5-5-5-18
Remember, systems like this run in quad channel.
It isn't going to be a huge factor
What he said :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Very nice......
make that 4 9800gtx's :)
If that system can't max out crysis 2560 x 1600 16aa 16af ultra high settings...
I will go back to consoles!!! :( (shudder)
Movieman, might be of interest, but a bench has been posted here from Boxx systems.
http://www.3dfluff.com/mash/cinebench/top.php
Xeon Quad 5482's running at stock 3.2 ghz XP64
Multithreaded run came to 23,879
RLM
Yea, I've been waiting to hear this.Quote:
Originally Posted by RLM
No way I can compete with my clovers with harpertowns.
No imagine what this guys system is going to do!:up:
Imagining :DQuote:
No imagine what this guys system is going to do!
RLM
If that board used regular DDR2 or 3 i would buy it in a heartbeat......fb dimms are too pricey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
FB-DIMMs have dropped a lot in price. You can get 2GB for around $100. The Transcend dimms that Movieman was testing sell for $85 for 2GB. Also, Intel has tested Skulltrail with FB-DIMMs rated at CL3. These were engineering samples from Kingston.
my understanding is that they aren't required for SLI, only for quad SLI. the Seaburg chipset only has enough channels for 2 16x pcie 2.0 slots, the bridge chips split that out to 4 16x pcie 1.0 slots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9
Given your earlier statement though, and something else FUD or Inq had said about some form of HT link between the chips, i would say you bridge the pairs that are directly connected to their own bridge chip on the board, and the HT link takes care of communication between the bridged pairs of cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9
This would mean that there's a serrious need for some fancy drivers to split the GPU work not once, but twice and each time using a different transfer protocol.
800 Mhz FB DIMMs seem hard to find. Anyone with any links, especially 2 GB sticks ?
These are the ones MM was using.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
http://ec.transcendusa.com/product/I...S256MFB72V8U-T
GamePC also has DDR2-800 FB-DIMMs in stock. But because they are a custom builder, they are going to charge you an arm and a leg.
$70.38 $69.00 Pre-Order
KVR667D2D8F5/2G 2GB 667MHZ DDR2 ECC FULLY BUFFERED CL5 DIMM DUAL RANK X8 $98.94 $97.00 Active
KVR667D2D8F5K2/2G 2GB 667MHZ DDR2 ECC CL5 DIMM 2 KIT DUAL RANK $128.52 $126.00 Pre-Order
KVR667D2S8F5/512 512MB 667MHZ DDR2 ECCBUFFERED CL5 DIMM X8 FINAL SALE NO RETURNS $44.88 $44.00 Pre-Order
KVR667D2S8F5K2/1G 1GB 667MHZ DDR2 ECC FULLY BUFFERED CL5 FINAL SALE NO RETURNS $86.70 $85.00 Active
KVR800D2D8F5/1G 1GB 800MHZ DDR2 ECC FULLY BUFFERED CL5 DIMM DUAL RANK X8 $80.58 $79.00 Pre-Order
KVR800D2D8F5K2/2G 2GB 800MHZ DDR2 ECC FULLY BUFFERED CL5 DIMM(KIT OF 2)DUAL RNK $151.98 $149.00 Pre-Order
KVR800D2S8F5/512 512MB 800MHZ DDR2 ECC FULLY BUFFERED CL5 DIMM SINGLE RANK X8 $52.02 $51.00 Pre-Order
KVR800D2S8F5K2/1G 1GB 800MHZ DDR2 ECC FULLY BUFFERED CL5 DIMM(KIT OF 2)SGL RANK $98.94 $97.00 Pre-Order
SIMPLETECH,
http://atic.ca/index.php?search=buffered&x=0&y=0
FB DIMMS really aren't anything to be "afraid" of. They're cheap enough now, plus, if you can run in quad channel, the bandwidth is enough to feed the chips the data they need.
Certainly it's not as fast DDR2, but then again, it doesn't have to be, everything is relative.
Synthetic benchmarks show a difference, but real world usage is not affected much at all.
As for quad SLI, you do not need all four cards to be "linked" by an SLI bridge.
In fact, you never had to, the SLI bridge has been shown to increase performance by a small amount, but past that is fairly useless and certainly not necessary.
I picked up 8 x 2gb kingston 667 fb dimms at cl5 for my system, mostly because they are on tyan's compatability list.
i was always under the impression that the bringe was needed, if not only for "enabling" the SLI (aka nvidia being stupid)Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAFiZ
Can't wait to see pics of the Quad SLI up and running, and some performance numbers. :D
Nope, it can be done via software.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
A lot of it is marketing fluff, makes things look better.
You'll see.
A few more notes about FB-DIMMs. They get very hot, even with only 1.8v, and especially when overclocked. I have a fan blowing on my dimms. Also, they do consume more power than unbuffered DDR2. But if you are building an expensive server-type system, the added electricity cost is hardly a huge consideration.
good to know, ill have to set up some fans clearing the air around mine when i get to building the systemQuote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
And contrary to popular belief, server boards can be overclocked, even if there are no overclocking options in the BIOS. Those of us at XS with Clovertown rigs use Systool. Works very well. Even with default voltages, I can still manage over a 30% overclock that's fully stable.
One of the things I'll be interested in when Crazypinoy gets his board powered up is the overclocking options in the Skulltrail BIOS. The boards that Intel showed off at IDF apparently did not have any voltage options in the BIOS, so they were limited in terms of maximum overclock. I heard the production boards will have voltage options.
An excellent point and one I was going to bring up, being lucky enough to play with a "V8" system recently has shown me this very same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
The ram get's INCREDIBLY hot, you can feel it radiating from the heat spreaders it's so hot.
Using the bios information it's not unusual to see the chips sitting around at 45c or more.
A fan is a great help to bring that down.
What for:
2x Thermaltake 1.2KW PSU
???
Better buy one Enermax Galaxy DXX 1000W, it's more than twice enough for your setup. And this PSU have _HUGE_ amount of connectors, there are 24 connectors for only SATA :-D, with 6 PCI-E and two 8-pin CPU :D
Well I'm actually thinking about just dropping to one PSU because two would take up a lot of space. Plus with the case I'm using they would have to be stacked on top of each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiN_EOF
The galaxy DXX1000 is definitely a great PSU, in fact I have a brand new one that's been sitting under my desk that enermax gave me about 6 months ago.
The perfomance i've experienced out of the TT PSU has been pretty great which is why i use them now. Plus they are always willing to sponsor me parts when i need them w/out even asking me questions which is a huge thing.
Why not go PC Power and Cooling?
Best in the bizz... right?
what fan do you guys suggest i use on the memory? something like the OCZ cooler or just mount a high flow 120mm on them?
because it's really hard to get components from them...LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAFiZ
Plus from all the testing that i've seen reviewers make it seems as if the thermaltake performs very similarly.
If i really wanted to get the best then I'd try for the Ultra 1.6KW....read the reviews on this PSU cuz they're supposedly amazing. They supposedly maintain 80-85% efficientcy even at it max rated wattage.
The OCZ cooler is fine, but just mounting a 120mm fan on the RAM would be cheaper...might be better temperature wise also...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9
google " Zalman FB123"
$9.00 with fan:D
Best PSU would be HiPro's 1200w unit ;)
depends on how much money you're wiling to spend, there are top of the line heatpipe ram coolers out there that will allow quite a bit of extra ocing with the right fan on top
http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/m...oduct_hr07.htm
and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835106098
or you could just put a nice copper heatspreader (with some fins would be nice) and put a high cfm fan on top
come to think of it, something I just thought of is you could mount something like this on top as apparently it moves TONS of air with minimal noise
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/28...?tl=g36c15s462
or mod in one of these fans
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g36/...ans-Page1.html
Yup yup... this man speaks the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
And thanks for the PM dude. :up:
The Corsair and OCZ are fine, but the CoolIT RAM fan moves barely any air.
I don't like thermaltake, so I vote for enermax :)
It's much more reliable and 24\7 comfortable for use.
As for >1k wattage - just to tell everybody that you have cool megasuperwattaged psu? Or what? :) Your skulltrail, even with 4 Ultras and 10 HDD's will be near 750-800W load MAXIMUM STRESSED :) What for all that megawatt trash? Better spend some money and buy 6 15000RPM HDD's SAS with controller ;)
Nice objective review there ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TiN_EOF
:up:
You sure it's more reliable?Quote:
Originally Posted by TiN_EOF
I can't count how many stories I've heard of Enermax Galaxies failing this past year... :shakes:
go read the PSU section, TT toughpower PSU's are top quality and have excellent line stability and reliability.(not that i approve of all the rest of TT)
You expect thermaltake to be crap due their dodgy water cooling stuff.
You should check out this review
http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=115
I remember reading these reviews a while back, and it was on the strength of them I picked up a Thermaltake back in the UK. Looking at the ripple factor the thermaltake was actually better than my Silverstone OP-1000.
As far as I remember Jonny said that the components inside these psu are actually very good.
RLM
pci placement is really bad for now
itll make sence when auzentech releases their next sound card @ pcie
silverstone OP1200
2x tuniq towers
cm stacker 830 se
areca raid
bunch of little friends
all waiting..
Ok guys i've been making a few phone calls throughout the day and i've got some bad news.
quad sli drivers are in super beta right now and doesn't work properly. The drivers that i have right now only allow 2way.
I will keep you guys update!
Don't worry about the sli yet, there are so many other tests you can do
yeah, we want to see overclocking options! Need BIOS Screenies!
My pleasure..cheap and works..Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAFiZ
You got it..That is what people want to see..Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
And of course if you can get that bastage to 4000mhz!:up:
(Ahh,Crazy, since your stuck with 2 extra vid cards and ahh, well my address is..)
Many thanks !Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Confirm that CAS 5 is as low a latency as they come at this time, and in any event, the quad channels make latency less of an issue. Correct ?
Some more hardware pron for y'all.
Mbob: TYAN tempest i5400xt w/ SAS
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/5310/img0695hz6.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/5599/img0693rg5.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/5653/img0696jx1.jpg
Totally uncalled for, your making me jealousQuote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
This really depends on applications of yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAFiZ
The quad-channel controller in previous version of this chipset -5000X -was so slow that it lags 20-30% behind dual-channel P35 at the same DDR2 speed.
Now split this 0.8 bandwidth between two CPUs and you have only ~1/3 bandwidth per CPU, compared to desktop. Now adds the possibility to use high-speed DDR2 or even DDR3 on desktop boards (for those with bottomless wallet) and you easily get 1/4 difference.
So, this platform really was/is not for bandwidth-hungry applications.
Thats why i am so anxious to see memory bandwidth benchmarks on this new platform.
where can we get 1?
The SkullTrail board or the Tyan board a few posts above?Quote:
Originally Posted by masterg
does that Tyan board support Crossfire?
It should. Both slots are electrical x16.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linus@ncix
These pics are making me drool all over the screen.
Tyan has a 5100 chipset board S5375. Wonder if that board will have better Latency scores since its not tied to FBDIMMS.
5100 chipset has dual-channel controller and requires Registered DDR2 memory. It supports only 1333FSB (officially).
I doubt its memory controller is better than 5000X , surely it cant compete with 5400 MCH.
FB-DIMM latency is not a problem, this series of chipsets is optimized for low latency. The real problem is available bandwidth.
the one I posted is the 5400 chipset and it was a PITA to get a hold of, seriously I was calling wholesalers and e-tailers for weeks trying to find it.
SNiiPE_DoGG
Can you please run memory bandwidth benchmark?
Download RMMA suit from here:
http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml
Find Multi-Threaded Memory test (in the folder there the package will be installed ) and run it. Set amount of tested memory to 20Mb per process or more. Compare total score with 1 and 8 threads.
P.S.
Its interesting to note that Tyan implemented 6-phase design for their server 5400xt board and Intel uses 5-phase for the Skulltrail.. It should be otherwise.
I will in about a week... lol, I have a lot of college applications to do ASAP, so I wont be building until i have time to mod the case for the radiator and get my order from petrasQuote:
Originally Posted by Cronos