Any updates on this? I still want one.
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Any updates on this? I still want one.
I want one also...
I'd be interested in these.
Yeah, and after all my DDC pump top testing this weekend, I have no doubt that you can increase pressure capabilities of a pump top. The D5 is a flow monster, we just need to make a top that pushes the curve to the pressure side and improves efficiency. It's all very possible...
Any new news on this? If this thing was around the $30-40 price point I'd get one for sure.
Ok, I'm too intruiged to see if I can pull it off. I'll buy the piece of delrin, mcmaster is on the same coast as me so I should be able to pick it up fairly cheap. I'll need some VERY precise measurements for initial carving and if it goes well I'll need to borrow someones pump to make 100% sure of clearances. I'll ship it to Martin for testing if he'd like to and whoever lends me their D5 will have dibs on the first production one *IF* they do go into production, at cost. I'll order the Delrin around the 8th of next month as I've got too many projects at the moment but, should be prety much cleared up by then. Any takers?
I'd buy one if it's good, I'll pay the shipping of course.
you'll pay more than shipping for a one off top.:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by SafeFire
DarthBeavis has dibs on either my prototype(after martin is through with it of course) or the first production top. If I'm hand milling every one of them they're not going to cost an arm and a leg but, they're not going to be cheap either. If I get enough interest in them and have them injection molded locally, they should be notably less expensive.
Of course, was meant as in "I'll pay whatever it costs as well as the shipping" ;)
It would be unheard of to expect you to give a good piece of work away for free.
I'll give the design away. And once it goes into autoCAD *if* it ends going to injection molding for production; I'll have the file up for anyone that wants it.
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Originally Posted by SafeFire
Ive given up on d5's to be honest. there just too bulky. The DDC may not be as reliable, but there are so many options for it, its extremely convenient. Also the head pressure on the DDC's are excellent.
I have 2 D5's sitting not in systems anymore. 1 was sent to nol to test out on my TEC blocks, the other is sitting in a drawer. This last one was swaped out and replaced by dual ddc-3.2 which is = in foot print space.
If i had space for a D5, id rather just drop another iwaki rd-30. The Rd-30 is only a tad bit larger. If you compare to two side by side.
ohh, do I sense a change of heart about the DDC ? :rofl: :ROTF: :shocked: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
QFT! I will never go back to a D5. Easy to solve the reliability issue- have two. Either as a spare or in series.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Regardless of all the D5 hate, Im STILL waiting for these tops. Plenty of room in my UFO for 2 of them.
Eddy can you post any pics?
Hi!
First pictures!
Results soon.
Oh! Sexy!
Can't wait for this to be released. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Thanks for the update Eddy.
D5 is alive!
Very nice Eddy EK. :)
cool! :clap:
i'd like to see the D5 with that top
I want it! :yepp:
I am certainly very interested in a D5 top lke that.
will there any improvements after putting the custom top?
One would assume so. Otherwise, what would be the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by bugkalot
I made some suggestions to Eddy regarding adding mounting holes to the final version.
I suggested adding 2 threaded holes (M4) to each of the three sides of the block, like so.
It should make mounting the pump quite a bit easier - you can do anything except have the pump motor on top.
Eddy any chance for acrylic top? Not sure if you answered this question yet.
Even if there is no real notable performance difference, the ability to use barbs/compression fittings and picking which side for the inlet/outlet is worth the price.
OMG~!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Looks like Ed beat everyone to a prototype :shocked:
EK FTW~!!
If this is priced below that Koolance alum version, it should start an upgrading fenzy :clap:
why does it have 4 holes?
Two inlets and two outlets.. pick one of each.
The other two holes would be blocked off with a plug.
Gives you some flexability in choosing fittings and routing the tubing.
Gorgeous! I want 2
I would like a few as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Eddie3dfx
omg, at last!
I see best performance from this setup like this
Inlet
Outlet
Agreed, straightest flow pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Does anyone have any pics of these blocks in an actual use photo vs. one not attached to anything.
I will be buying 2 of those!
Eddy would be the only one so far as that is likely one of the first prototypes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxx103
very nice, due to inlet/outlet holes it's worth the money! i want one :D.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. Hopefully it comes with some nice deep plugs that fill in the unused barb locations and minize losses there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Very nice:up:
you must test it when it go on shops martinm:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
I want! Thansk eddy your the man!
Use one of the extra holes for a temperature probe.
Yea I was justing thinking about that, I wouldn't want to lose any head pressure or flow due to not using the extra holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
But dang Eddy, that looks sick!!!! I'm very interested in getting one of these babes! :D
Could we see it in action? Like the top on the actual pump? ;)
it's done!
*bows*
can't wait for some results
(i hope it won't beat the ddc, as i just bought one *snicker*)
Awesome, Eddy! I'll be ordering two. :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1206615995
Those internals for a machined base is amazingly complex..:clap:
I'm not worthy with my manual mill..:ROTF:
Let me know if you want any independant testing...I think I know someone with a testing sickness..;)
:p martin you are sick, in a very helpful good way.
Beautiful work Eddy!
Now for a dual D5 top :D
man, that is a real pron man!!! will get myself one of these when it release damn so hawt!!!
:shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by SafeFire
:yepp: yes please!
Looking at the pictures, I'd guess the dimensions of the square portions of the top are roughly 90 mm wide, 100mm long, and 15-20mm thick.
I bet two or three of these could fit real well in the empty space between the dual 5 1/4" bays in my MM UFO case..
Horizontally, with the inlet and outlet on the narrow edge of the top..
oh my that looks great! eta?
i was about to invest in new pumps but this looks like a much better investment!
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Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
any news? pictures? info?
you guys think this will outperform the DDC 3.2 + XSPC res top?
Metal barbs :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bugkalot
Scroll up ;) Check page 2...Quote:
Originally Posted by stoner
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Originally Posted by NoobCake
Who knows, but atleast we will be able to use 3/8 barbs or compression fittings. I wont need to stretch the hell outta my tubing to put it on either.
What no front mounted reservoir :D :D :D
ehmmm on page two of this thread i can't find anything..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmer411
the last Eddy's post with pictures was this one one week ago
Whats the ballpark price on these?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilikon
That is my concern also. I would have preferred a single center inlet and the left outlet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
I'm new to all of this so I don't know, but what would compression fitting or a 3/8 have over 1/2? All I know is that tube sizes are different.
Could someone please share of bit of their knowledge?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=54331 read stickysQuote:
Originally Posted by yooN
Thank you. However, I still don't fully understand the benefits, unless the only difference is just lower noise level and flexibility with the 3/8.Quote:
Originally Posted by crackbag
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=151627Quote:
Originally Posted by yooN
sorry this will give you a better understading.
I dunno really but i can venture a guess it's 30-40$ for the aftermarket top (or we should say side).Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
any word? i do want 2 of these!
Hey.
Zbogorgon is testing them.
So far we have about 15% flow increase compared to stock top.
Looking forward to better performance boost.
Cant give you more accurate data ATM.
its ok. we still love you! but keep us up todate!
more pressure?
I havent ever touched a D5 nor do i know how it's designed, but why isent the top round with a smalle tab for the fitings, it would make it way smaller.
Is that 15% maxium flow rate or in a loop with a block and radiator?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Sounds promising:up:
Well, that's an impressive gain in flow.....but that was never a problem with the D5.:ROTF: I'm more concerned about the pressure.....if you can increase the pressure by half of that, I'd say you've got a DDC w/top killer. :yepp: Well, except for the size. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
I mean no offense and am not attacking anyone here, just thinking out loud and hoping for someone to disagree with me.
If it's a 15% increase in flow then, it's likely the internals were opened up and bore aligned. If thats the case then pressure on the lower end has likely gone down. :( that's no bueno IMHO. Seems to me it's rather counterproductive to what the pump really needs.
Eddy: send one to MartinM! :P
Sounds about right to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtosDracon
I'd be happy to test for a sample. After going through the DDC roundup, it's very clear to me you need to plot the full curve to know what performance you get.
Nice efficient tops tend to have a much more rounded curve which may or may not correlate at all to the maximum pressure or maximum flow rate points.
Or at a minimum I would suggest recording the total pressure head (outlet - inlet) at 1.5GPM or 2.0GPM, that's where it counts.
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Originally Posted by ArtosDracon
The pump really needs interchangable barbs ;)
I could care less about flow and pressure, Im running 2 in series :D
Eddy mentioned that this result was in comparison to the stock top. For years, we have drilled and tapped the top of the DDC inlet line to provide a direct suction side source into the pump rather than the 90° turn on the stock top. I know Coolermaster did some tests on this and an old website name "cooling system" or something like that also showed the mad and a huge increase in performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
OK, I found it:
http://coolercasesuk.co.uk/showthread.php?t=10
I would still like EK's top just for the barb change-out alone.
Don’t get me wrong as i’m no expert on this but if I understand Martin correctly, it looks like chocking the outlet may make the D5 have better head / flow basically by whacking as much water into the inlet as possible but restricting the outlet – pretty much like you would by nipping the end of a hosepipe to increase water pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snyxxx
Like everyone else i'll wait and see what the experts say and come up with :shrug:
Oops, I meant Coolmiester and not Coolermaster. I had my old Wavemaster case on my mind. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snyxxx
Remember the "first" aftermarket tops for the DDC pumps made by Radiical. The problem with them was the outlet was too big which reduced head pressure. Then the alphacool and others came with a smaller outlet hole and gave better pressure results.Quote:
Originally Posted by coolmiester
I am still kind of scratching my head over Martin's results when he eluded the opposite.:shrug:
i think you messed up snyxxx. he said that closing the end/outlet you would increase head.
OK, maybe I read it wrong.
i think martinm and arctos have a few designs up their sleeves were not seeing yet.
You mean me? I've dropped all my designs to date besides the most current in DarthBeavis D5 top thread. I've been doing them there as DB send me his pump to build the top off of. I've just recently picked up a perty new digital caliper and got all the measurements taken. My old one was only SAE and only accurate to the 1/10th of an inch. I picked up a new one thats good to 1/100th of a mm and 1/1000th of a inch. Also, the locking screw on my old one was broken so I couldn't hold measurements. I've got everything recorded but, I left the sheet at home, I was going to upload the measurements here for everyone to have. I also completed a new design based on the updated sizes. I was pretty close on them all when eyeballing. The furthest off was on the impeller inlet, I was off .025" at .525". The design is essentially identical to my last one with the exception of updated sizes on the impeller as well as a cross-section of the top added. Unfortunately my new milling slide was damaged in transit(god damnit I hate fedex) so I sent it back and will just be buying a whole new mill. My old one was a floor mount drill press thats about twice as old as me with a milling slide attached. My new one will be a bench mount on a custom bench I'm building with a 5" slide with no rotation as the plate on my new drill press will rotate so I don't need a rotary slide anymore :) Not as accurate but, I also have a very nice lathe for if I need to be too accurate with rotations. I've sent the current design to my AutoCAD guy to see what he can pull together for me then the CAD design will be off to my CNC mill guy for a prototype and if testing goes well from there, I'll have an injection mold priced out so that production costs will be low beyond the initial investment. It's not going quickly but, it's going.
Sweet, that's exciting. I can't wait to see how it turns out!
How about a better impeller for the DDC 3.2?
sounds promising, i have to build a watercooling setup, i am still int he market for a pump, i like what i see here.
thats going to depend on how it's mounted. The D5 is a mag drive pump with the impeller actually epoxied to the magnetic core so it's pretty out of the question. I'd have to see how the impeller is mounted to the DDC. To be honest, the impeller on the D5 is pretty well laid out, the veins are a bid wide and far spaced but, again, the pump wasn't designed for water.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidNJ
From what I've seen on the net, the impellers are very similar in design.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtosDracon
To quote Laing's site
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Acceptable media: Domestic hot water, heating water, water/Glycol mixtures and other media on request
was that on the D5 or DDC site? The D5's design suggests to me that it was designed around a lower viscosity fluid than water. specifically in the pump housing though, the impeller is a fine design for water, I just think that thinner veins more closely spaced and about 1 extra vein could produce better pressure without sacrificing peak flow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
I would like to note that the feed holes for lubricating the bearing are probably creating a lot of turbulence at the edges of the impeller inlet, though a necessary evil unless they were to design a fully floating mag drive pump like the danner series.
I guess I'm just too picky :p: I've e-mailed a couple sources to see if I can get my hands on the 3/4" plastic and the brass union pump housings for some variation in factory design. I'm really just at a loss on the design of the standard top on these. The clearance around the impeller is just gargantuan. I really think that you could pump jello with the D5, it'd only be good for about .5gpm and have no head but, I think it could do it with the ~1/2" lateral clearance on the pump. The cavity at the output is possible what baffles me the most though. All the pressure the impeller does manage to build up is going to drop off to nothing in that large a cavity, the only thing I can figure is the 90* bend for the outlet was intentional to try and re-build pressure where a straight outlet with that size cavity wouldn't be able to. I guess we'll see when martin gets an EK top to test as they have a linear outlet with a large cavity similar to the stock pump. Without a side by side with the stock top I just can't tell what the lateral clearance on the EK housing is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Will this top work for the D5 basic or just the vario?
not positive but i have both and looking at them they look identical so i would assume it will fit bothQuote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
Yes, both is identical and the only difference is the speed adjustment in the Vario vs lack of one.
QFT. the basic is locked at setting 4 internally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilikon
Hey fellas, I've been intrigued by the challenge of redesigning a pump top. First of all, it's a bit out of my specialty. I've got a mechanical engineering degree, and my career so far has been as an automotive refrigeration engineer. I mostly have been on the R&D, product development and testing side of the biz. One of my best assignments was developing an automotive evaporator for production, v305 is the one that made it into production after ~1 year of working.
I don't really know what to expect on how difficult this pump top will be. Here is v1...let's hope there aren't another 304 versions until it's ready!
It's clamped to the Laing motor instead of using the buttress thread. I'm not really sure I like it being clamped, since it will require more parts, and thus more cost (screws, washers and a flange). It does allow a volute that is fairly well in a single plane as opposed to the Laing volute.
Screwed like the Laing mounting is lower cost, especially since the nut can be reused. I think likely I'll try both bolted versions and screwed versions.
Anyway, I guess I'm formally throwing my hat into this race! This piece was fairly easy and quick to machine, probably economical to produce as is, and with some development geared towards it's manufacturability, should be profitable (which means I would actually do it :up: ). Obviously I'm going to need a lot more development towards things like a mounting arrangement to keep it quiet and make it easy to deal with.
I'm surprised, frankly that v1 could be any good at all :shrug:
Awesome for first! Almost same performance - but the options for smaller barbs!!
You rock! :D
Any more progress made on the EK top?
Im lookin forward to these hitting the retail market :)