Gotta finish all the measurements before I get these mobos naked :D
Once I start something I can't let it go before I get everything done :p:
Everything should be ready in 7 hours or so...
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Gotta finish all the measurements before I get these mobos naked :D
Once I start something I can't let it go before I get everything done :p:
Everything should be ready in 7 hours or so...
I've tryd to do some 32M results @ 2000mhz ~2.2v but i can't bench it with even 1.80v vmch at 8-8-8-24 1T on my P5K3 Deluxe... i think i was not lucky with this one...
but the problem is not with the Cell's :)
1900mhz 7-7-6-18 1T 2.0v
(time doesn't matter, no tweaks:D)
http://imageupload.com/out.php/i62543_1900cl732M.JPG
hmmm so single 32m is ok but dual 32m no?
bah... can't believe this...
i write upper that 1.7@1.8v vmch helps not much, 2000mhz 8-8-8 32M even don't "stable", look at this:
2000mhz 8-7-6-21 1T 2.20v and with 1.85v vmch, idiot mobo :ROTF:
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/787/2000cl832miu3.jpg
nice one achill3us you can now join 1000mhz club:D
haha, thanks :D
right :) but for every day i don't give more than 1.7v, the thermaltake extreme spirit heatsink what i use on the NB is not bad, but it needs a very fast fan :rolleyes: your NC-06 (or something like that), is better i'm sure...
thanks, now i'm playing with CL9 :D
1M 2060mhz 9-9-9-24 1T 2.0v
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4150/1030sr6.jpg
and max valid was at 2100mhz (same voltage), but i've forget to update cpuz 1.43, so i will try to go higher again... btw, what is the freqency WR on DDR3? 2200 or more?
hehe, today push a bit harder :D
vmch: 1.87v
vdimm: 2.20v / 2.24v
2062mhz 7-7-6-21 1T validation
32M 2000mhz 7-7-6-21 1T ;)
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3...mxtwinzpj3.jpg
very very nice mate, i don't see any of my sticks doing that...now get that 32M time down to where it should be :D
Good to see some nice ddr3 being released. Nice work.
;)
again 32M on 2000 cl7 but with wolfdale :D
vmch: 1.87v
vdimm: 2.20v / 2.24v
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4...2me8400ku6.jpg
what's up guys? no results for a week? wake up and go benching :D
my best 32M made at the weekend of course with the Cell's with just 2.0v, and they was able to run higher of course :) AND finally my P5K3 Deluxe has no coldbug on LN2 i've tested it :p: only this ES chip :( so this result was made on DI...
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9...olat32mtu7.jpg
and a pic together :D
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9151/lapomwh2.jpg
Wow! What happened to your heatpipes? Did you chop them? Plenty voltmods there too I see ;)
Nice results, how far are you going to push your Cells?
Bill where is the LN2 session you promised us ? :( P5K3 dlx on ln2 action, that's what we want to see ;) :D
LN2 session ? ahahahahah :rofl:
That's gonna be a while :D
I've got more than a lot of things to do, no time, and a f***** up schedule.
I haven't published a review still...and it's almost February :(
Gotta speed up things...
I'm just traveling from place to place these weeks :shakes: ...I don't have another option although :(
yep, an accident happend with the heatpipe's so they was choped :)
i've never pushd them more than 2.25v
...
aaaand finally i did it :D
32M 2000MHz 7-6-5-18 1T @ 2.20v / 2.24v w/ 1.90v vmch
(of course at 8*500, it's only c1e bug with 1001 bios and 45nm :rolleyes:)
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9...mxtwinzhs8.jpg
nice! :toast: how did you do it? :D
did you try single channel max?
thx ;) hmm with the more mch voltage? :D the fun is, i've try to go a bit higher with the fsb 500>501 and after the first loop i've got the Pi error :lol:
no, never... should i?
single channel usually runs much better and you need less vdimm to get more results quite often. imo it shows well how the chipset limits the ocs.
how much vmch did you try?
btw, did asus ever fix the bios bug with high fsb speeds?
i cant boot with 2050mhz on p5k3, even in single channel and even with high vdimm and 888 when the stick can do 2025 completely stable with much less vdimm. if i boot at 2ghz and use setfsb i can get to 2050 without any problems...
im still using 0604 i think, whats the latest bios for p5k3 and is it good?
All my tests were performed & booted from BIOS fine.
I used BIOS v0810... but there's a recently released v1001 ( which I haven't tested yet due to various reasons )
i will try single channel soon, thanks to remind me :)
i use for testing always 1.85-1.9 vmch
hmm interesting, i can boot and test without any problems above 2000mhz cas7 or cas8 too (2000 8-7-6-21 is 3dmark stable with 2.20v and 1.7 vmch), but if i use setfsb, i will lose my "stability"
i think 0810 is the best, this 1001 beta for 45nm is crap, c1e bug is very annoy, but memory control seems a bit better maybe...
Sweet job champ ;).
Keep pushing it!
ok, ill try 0810 and 1001 if i can find the time and test if it improves mem/fsb ocing :D
so really, none of you have this bug at 2050mem speed?
i cant boot at that speed on any of the p5k3 boards i have... 2025 is 100% stable but 2050 doesnt even boot. weird...
and has any of you noticed the 1600 memspeed bug?
if you boot at 1600 or 1620 etc, then the board will sometimes not boot even tho the settings are perfectly stable. usually turning off the psu and turning it on again and then booting up works, but with this bug it doesnt. the board boots but the screen stays black. after several psu off switches and boot attempts the bios then shows pciE speed of 150mhz which of course was too much and the videocard didnt work.
i first thought its a vga problem but it only happens on asus p5k3 boards around 1600 memspeed. which is weird since that is the speed many people boot at and run their mem at 24/7...
i also had 1600 memspeed bug with p5k3. haven't tried nor lower neither higher freq if bug was present.
hmm i will try that 2050 boot for you now :)
the 1600 memspeed bug as you label it, i think the bug of the P35 chipset with DDR3, its bug on my P5K3 Deluxe and Blitz Extreme (actually not mine, only for testing but doesn't matter) too...
the black screen, psu off, or double reset sindrome is the same, but pci-e don't go high to me... or i just didn't saw it, maybe that is the reason of the problem, dunno...
i first thought its a vga problem but it only happens on asus p5k3 boards around 1600 memspeed. which is weird since that is the speed many people boot at and run their mem at 24/7
tell this to intel or asus :D hmm just recognised, whats up with gigabyte mobos?
real ;)
Thanks I Haven't Tried Any 3d Benches On Maximus At This Speed Usually Use 1600ish At Tighter Timings I'll Try It,
i didnt really try this 1600 thing on our gigabyte board... i dont like the gigabyte bios :P no cmd 1t and the settings and menus are... weird :P
so the bug could be on gigabyte boards as well actually, so maybe its an intel bug...
heheh, im on the same opinion, hate the gigabyte bios :rolleyes:
yep, but is this bug still in x38?? i've forgot to see this when the p5e3 ws pro was here :mad: have you some board to test this?
Hey guys.
I don't remember any issues at DDR3-1600 for me on the P5K3 Deluxe.
Maybe it's my "memory" ( in my head, not the RAM :p: ), maybe not.
I'll try to replicate the "bugs" that you're talking about later on this week probably.
Can't guarantee you anything, got many many things going on...
and on top of that...I have to do some initial testing for the X48T-DQ6...
Talk to you guys soon.
P.S. I'll reply to the PMs in the afternoon, gotta hit the road again in a bit.
i have a p5e3 but havent experienced the 1600 bug on it yet.
on p5k3 it happened several times and always with low (but high enough) vdimm.
interesting, as i can remember p5e3 ws pro and all of the series has no 1600 bug (not sure) but 1:2 ram delivery don't work on many mobo's...
anyway, i've playd a bit on higher timings, and i can boot easy 2050 cas8 it's interesting that you can't saaya, maybe mobo differences, i've used 1.9vmch...
1070.7mhz 8-8-8-24 validation at 2.20v / 2.24v
and the fun is, at cas 10 i've got freeze around 1050mhz... it looks very nice, that i've serious mobo limit on that high clocks, i need to get a maximus extreme soon :rolleyes:
try tras 27, it should give you a few extra mhz :D
it decreases performance tho afaik :/
i have all boards at stock, so maybe i need mofe vmch to boot at 2050... i think so...
performance doesn't matter if i see max valids you know :D
if you have all mobo's, why you don't try ME or do some mods on that little p5k3 mate :p:
Hmm, talking about that 1600mhz bug, I wonder if my experience with Blitz Extreme and DDR3 has something to do about it.
I'm not using the Cellshocks though :D, the sticks were OCZ Platinum DDR3, pretested on a P5K3 dlx running at 1600mhz 7-6-5 2.0V easy (stock timings 1600mhz 7-7-7), while on that Blitz they couldn't do anything less than 8-7-7 timings wise at over 1500mhz regardless of voltage and/or vmch set for the board, and maximum frequency for them to post at all was around 1850mhz 9-9-9.
Bala, good to see that you tested a little yesterday...
Keep going :D.
Is PerformanceLvL 5 good at 800Mhz?
I've tested it with 800@7-6-5-15@1,9V and it works....
Screen is on my other hdd, i will post it later.
450MHz FSB ? If yes, then yeap, PL5 is good for that FSB :)
p.s. Just tested all the CPUs that I've got here on the X48T-DQ6 rev1.1 hoping for 1 of them to reach higher FSBs than with the P5K3D...but I got nothing :(
Max FSB 517MHz... :(
Gonna grab a E8500 more than likely off a store this week.
you could run high mem speeds but only with 999?
thats odd... did you use high nb voltage on the blitz?
especially the older blitz boards need 1.5v chipset voltage at LEAST to get high mem clocks. either that or the mem was damaged... but that sounds unlikely as then it wouldnt run stable at high speeds with 999 either....
bala, yeah i know, im planning to mod one of the boards for weeks now but dont find the time :D
nice results robert! what vmch?
lol, don't wait till march mate :p:
thanks Oliver ;)
mrlobber: interesting, i've recognised the same... Blitz Extreme handle ddr3 worse than my modded P5K3 Deluxe, 2000 cas7 32M was a dream in it :rolleyes:
Well, my Blitz should be some special one... after I discovered the issues with RAM, with a friend one evening we organized a DI session with 3 different cpu's known to do 570+ fsb on DI on various 965/P35 boards (including one 8400 pretested at 4.8+ ghz on another Blitz). None of them ran over 540 on that board so it might be one of the worst clocking Blitz's Asus has ever produced.
In frustration, we later covered that board with DI and managed to squeeze out a 606fsb bios screenshot, but that's it, there wasn't anything benchworthy there... Of course, we tried all the voltage ranges, but we observed that actually with voltages from the upper yellow range in bios, the board started clocking worse, not to speak about red values (for example, 1.8+V on the chipset) :shrug:
As with that OCZ RAM, it can run 888mhz 8-7-6-21 @ 1.82V fully stable on the board, which itself is not that bad, but tighter timings or more mhz (with the same timings) ,or more voltage = crash. Go figure...
Just tried to run this kit on the Gigabyte X48T-DQ6 rev 1.1 E.S. to see if I can match the high memory clocks ( DDR3-2020+ ) that I reached with the P5K3 Deluxe, but it seems that this board can't run DDR3-2020+ memory clocks ( will have to test it more thoroughly though...maybe more Vmch, etc ).
Mr. Lobber, Im finding the same problems with my Blitz. I cant hit 1800mhz with any timings but can do 1750mhz 7-6-6 dual 32M, no Orthos, with relatively low volts.
I have a hint that its BIOS problem or maybe my RAM because it hasn't been tested in another board. The reason I think BIOS is because out of the three I've tested each one has different stock timings. Im working on testing all available BIOS's but just have to find the time.
If you find a solution or an idea please post back as I'd like to hear :)
Yeah, 400MHz FSB & PL5 is "normal".
PL6 at 500MHz+ FSB [ 266 Strap ] for example is neat [ but you need lots of MCH volts :D ]
At last, got a chip that does 500FSB+. Next, P5K3 + SS and see how this RAM goes :)
guys, could anybody run his Cell's memtest stable at 2000mhz on P35 mobo (especially p5k3 deluxe or blitz extreme) with any normal timings? (no cas9-10) if yes, how much vmch / vdimm pushed?
couse i can't still at 8-8-8-24 2.14v ... i know there is mobo limitation, im only curious if maybe smbody could handle this for 24/7, and i think more than 2.14v is not 24/7 anymore (for my babys :p:) ...
Should be easy with my P5K3 Deluxe...but you'll have to wait.
There are several things on the top of my 'to do' list :(
you can get it stable in windows but not in memtest?
how do you windows stable? :D
no, i use memtest pro (not the dos version 86+), and no way can stablize 2000mhz for 24/7... i think i need more mch voltage but i don't want to give more than 1.7v :rolleyes:
at 8-8-8-24 2.15v still i've got errors almost in 1 min! hmm you think the memtest lies to me? but on lower clocks like 1800 7-6-5 it's working...
ps: btw blue color fits better to you :D
I gave today a last chance for the Blitz Extreme, but it's don't deserved it :D:rolleyes:
2000 8-7-6-21 / 8-8-8-24 2.10v error immediately as i push the run button...
1.7v+ vmch (low subtimings, full stable settings)
but i can't imagine that my Cell's are not able to do this, x38 needed...
i benched today a bit at cas6 :D
pi time is slow, my test xp need a reinstall :rolleyes:
vmch 1.88v
vdimm 2.25v as always for testing
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8...0cl632mol1.jpg
Yeah, you need to "tweak it out®" m8 :p:
Nice clocks/timings for that 32M :)
I was supposed to... be benching & reviewing this weekend, but the roads are closed because of that white sh1te...erm I meant snow :D
I've got nothing but this PC here :(
Oh, and 1 empty LN2 dewar :p:
haha, thanks mate, i've try PL 5 and 6-6-5-15 (7-52-7-7-5-DDE(0)) but it drops me out after the second loop :p:
you're so unlucky, so long can't run benches :(
can't wait to see your amazing p5k3 scales on ln2 (F5 F5 F5 like dinos will say :lol:)
I've got nothing to do here sadly.
Nothing at all...just killing my time, and e-mailing people :(
No gf, no hardware.
And on the other side, I know that at my place FedEx & DHL will have several packages for me waiting to pick them up :(
As soon as the roads open again I'll go ahead and pick the stuff and get the LN2 dewars filled... and then :p:
Quick test on maximus extreme.:D
vdimm = 2.18v
vmch = 1.58v
http://www.abload.de/img/32m-e85004000mhz_10_s3d.gif
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MB: ASUS Maximus Extreme Bios 1001
CPU: E8400 ES
Ram: Cellshock Blue kit SE
DDR3 1800 6-6-5-18-1T 2.22V Prime Blend All set up at bios
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Cellshock-ES/6.JPG
DDR3 2000 CL7-6-5-18-1T Dual 32M passed 2.26V
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Cellshock-ES/7.JPG
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Cellshock-ES/8.JPG
Haha Andre, nice one, however, that tRFC value leaves much to be desired ;)
What about PL6 at 500 fsb?
The kit won BenchZone's February DDR3 Memory Roundup.
Here's the link to the DDR3 Memory Roundup
If I'm right ( I bet I am :D ) this means P5K3 Deluxe + CellShocks + E8400 = DDR3-2100 Benchable [ dare I say 8-7-6-21 timings ? :D ]
CPU-z Validation: Gigabyte X48T-DQ6 Rev 1.1 BIOS F4d - 520MHz FSB, 400 Strap, CellShock DDR3-2081 8-8-8-28 SuperPi 1M Benchable
Here my PC12800 Cellshocks. It seems to be the limit with that timings and voltage. Had some error while 32M with about 964MHz. Still some nice sticks imho! :)
http://www.abload.de/img/32m_4720mhz9tt.jpg
Nice clocks mate.
Very nice clocks for these timings + voltage.
Hi, my Kit of CellShock DDR3 PC14400, not yet testet over 2.22v, but they have been able to get some nice scores.
On DDR3 1800Mhz:
24/7 7-6-5-15 1T 2.08v supra stable. It´s the Clock i use to Play Games.
Tested with Spi 1M, AquaMark and SisSandra MEM Bandwidth.
6-5-5-15 1T 2.22v
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h5...ArD/1800C6.jpg
On DDR3 1900Mhz:
Tested on Spi 1M, AquaMark, SisSandra MEM Bandwidth and Memtest.
7-6-6-15 1T 2.18v
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h5...8V-memband.jpg
On DDR3 2000Mhz:
Tested on Spi 1M and SisSandra MEM Bandwidth
8-7-6-21 2T 2.22v, Still not been able to do 1T
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h5.../DDR320002.jpg
Sorry for my bad English. :up:
nice! what chipset voltage?
whas the max you can run with 1t?
1800Mhz - MCH 1.62v/1.64v (for benchmark), 24/7 7-6-5-15 2.06 and MCH 1.56vQuote:
saaya
nice! what chipset voltage?
whas the max you can run with 1t?
1900Mhz - MCH 1.68v/1.72v
2000Mhz - MCH 1.85v (First tests, with less system became unstable even with 1.83v. Have to give it another try :up: )
1T max i get it stable, was 1966Mhz 7-6-6-18 1T 2.12v, with 1.74v MCH (if i´m not wrong)
Over that it simply crashes during Boot Screen with 1T
I hope Tomorrow i have the time to make a second run of 2000Mhz to get it more calibrated.
very interesting... keep in mind that more vmch works different on channel1 and channel2!
same as vdimm, it also works different on channel1 and channel2.
so far ive seen the best results with channel2
EDIT: here is a graph:
1 = no boot
2 = freeze
3 = memtest/orthos errors
4 = memtest/orthos stable
http://www.abload.de/img/vmchvsvdimmvsslotsi4e.png
Damn Sascha :D
You posted just some secs before I intended to :D
Just wanted to post that this kit is still clocking like a champ.
Got it to bench at 2060+ 7-7-6-21 on the Asus Striker II Extreme, and probably have more juice, just need some more...thorough tests.
More to come...in the following weeks, gotta get some reviews done now.
nice :D
btw bill, i re-ran some of the freaky results and now it worked fine...
it seems during bootup the memory is somehow adjusted... or maybe the memory controller adjusts itself to the stick somehow...
sometimes this works well, sometimes it doesnt. as a result sticks will sometimes clock bad, but when you power off the system and turn it back on again, cold reset, then the same stick might suddenly clock a lot better. weird huh?
anyways, here are the results:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=181096&page=7
http://www.abload.de/img/board2vs3im9.png
as you can see, there should be a 150mhz gap between cas7 and cas8 results, if there is a smaller gap, then most likely the board is limiting you.
considering we keep seeing 2000+ cas7, its only a matter of time until we will see 2150+ cas8 i think, as the boards/bioses and chipsets improve.
what is your max cas8 on 790 bill?
amazing cas7 result btw!!!! :toast:
how stable is 2070 cas7? :D
what vdimm?
did you find that 790 hates cas6?
i keep hearing it clocks at least 50mhz worse at cas6 compared to intel chipsets?
tCL 8 doesn't seem to go a lot higher than 7. But I'm not gonna say I'm 100% sure, because I'm not. More testing to be done soon.
2070 C7 is 3D Marks & AquaMark 3 stable, and also Spi 8M stable :D
That's with 2.3V exactly.
tCL6 on Striker II Extreme sucks balls.
You've seen my sticks running Pi32M @ DDR3-1800+... yet, on the S2E even DDR3-1768 is unstable... not even a complete Pi 4M run.
Looks like a BIOS or mem ctrlr issue.
Just did a quick test on previously tested ( the second day :p: ) settings ( the ones I had a screenshot available, my notes are a big mess here :( ) to make sure that they didn't degrade by benching at 2.20V+ ( up to 2.32V ) regularly.
And they didn't :D
http://i30.tinypic.com/2jg57hw.jpg
hmmmm well id guess your limited by the board/mem controller... maybe a pll mod like the one raja on anandtech did will help you :D
from the memory, you should be able to run 150mhz more with cas8, at the same voltage and stability, compared to cas7. if you get a smaller boost from cas8, then im pretty sure its the chipset/board limiting in almost all of those cases.
well, on all 790 boards, right?
kinda weird... cause 790 seems to be tweaked for maximum perf at low mem clocks... yet it doesnt work well with cas6 at all...
but with those cas7 results, who would complain :D
OMG, Guys. My PC can be faster and cheaper than yours with DDR3.
Xeon E3110@500x8@1,232V
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/4095/cpubf0.th.png
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3...ctrtju2.th.png
4-4-4-4@1000MHz@2,1V
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5056/4444qq1.th.png
4-4-4-3@1000MHz@2,1V:cool:
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8475/4443xg2.th.png
Not really m8.
Your bandwidth & latencies are way lower than good DDR3 results.
However in most real-life apps there's no difference in performance between DDR3-2000 7-6-5-21 and DDR3-1333 9-9-9-31 and DDR2-800 5-5-5-15... so once again, faster depends on what you mean.
[QUOTE=WaterFlex;3046324]OMG, Guys. My PC can be faster and cheaper than yours with DDR3.
Xeon E3110@500x8@1,232V
QUOTE]
Not very good :(
I set performance level from 10 to 8. Still 2,1V.
Now, i have faster ram and less latency=50.
My PC is better than yours :)
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7...mseteh9.th.png
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8338/pl8ww0.th.png
Let's feed the trolls.. :p:
http://www.abload.de/img/eve_stanni2xyq.jpg
My third rig pwns your main rig! :eek:
Don't feed the troll man.
Next time he craps the thread he's getting reported.
Sorry, but i couldn't resist.. :(
Why are you so angry...:(
The only thing i try to understand is does DDR3 worth its money?
I think until DDR3 will not work @2000@5-5-5-15 (for example) it doesn`t worth it. What do you think about it ?
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/263...9320eh1.th.png
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/125...3126xv1.th.png
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/144...ememcb7.th.png
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1...9266zh9.th.png
You are continuously posting Everest Bandwidth tests with a DDR2 kit that you have.
You claim that you're getting better scores with your DDR2 kit than we do with DDR3 which is not true.
I and lots of people with DDR3 can reach 12000Mb/s easily with DDR3.
I've told you in my previous post that in real-life a system with DDR2 against the same system but with DDR3 instead will perform equally.
So, if you were wondering if DDR3 is worth it for normal everyday usage, you already have the answer, it does not worth it.
Now, please stop pissing people off by posting "nonsense" stuff.
This is a thread about CellShock's DDR3 kit, not about piss poor DDR2 vs DDR3 flame wars.
sorry but i could not resist, but with ddr3 i can get more bandwidth than 10k or 11k, i don't understand what is our problem do you think you are more smart than other people
were is some result with Maximus extreme + blue cell shock 1866 + Q6600 and it's very easy to get 12k
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/787...1864777ix4.png
Guys please drop it.
Everybody knows pretty much how big the DDR3 scores in everest are...
Let's get back on topic please.
Show us s'more of that 1000+ C7 sexiness Bill and everyone will forget about Everest as anything more than a mountain. :D
Will do m8.
I'll purchase some E8500's this weekend ( yeah, looking for a good chip once again :D ) and hopefully get some high FSBs out of the Striker II Extreme to "take advantage" of the CL7 overclocking capabilities of the CellShock kit & the nF790i Ultra SLI memory controller :)
I'll give the E8400 a final shot later on, but it doesn't look like it's going to get well over 540MHz FSB on the S2E :(
Got any reference boards on hand? I had the same experience with S-II. I've got a couple of chips that do 585-590 under LN2 on the right reference board and about 560 on air. On the striker ii they only did 550 stable under LN2 (never tried air, but it seemed like temperature didn't affect it) and wouldn't even POST at 560.
Oh.
I should've bought a P5E64 WS Evolution already to check the chips max FSB.
I'll check the new chips on various boards ( and also try to get a eVGA 790i as well ).
Imagine this RAM at DDR3-2070 7-7-6-21 1T most ( nearly all ) sub-timings at minimum and FSB 550/600 :D
http://i27.tinypic.com/2dkpj8.png
This is at Linked/Synched mode with the FSB ( low FSB damn it )