It clear shows members joined on May 2006 are the cultest people over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
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It clear shows members joined on May 2006 are the cultest people over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Q9450 looks a great deal! like the E6600 was for the dual-core chips
Might also be caused by the improved sleep state of Penryn -> hence lowerQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
idle consumption. The total consumption is also better, so I don't see negatives
here.
It is quite tempting to go for it in January but I must hold myself for Nehalem in the 2nd quarter of 2008. I hope my E6600 will last some time till Nehalem comes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morais
Same situation here. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
Maybe for C2Q? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardyMan
Not one of those myself...yet
erm ok :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
yeah maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by Frank M
if that was the case it would be good for sure...as most systems idle predominantly anyways
When? 2010? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Pretty sure Nehalem is a Q3/4 product, not Q2 (unless AMD pulls something out of their a$$ to compete w/ Intel's existing lineup better).Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
whats the dif betwen nehalm and these ?
These are tweaked 45nm Core 2. Nehalem is 45nm Core 3 so to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldor9
that's something along the lines of what I tried to say :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank M
maybe idle consumption is just LOWER than expected and total power consumption is normal.
@ronaldor9
imo nehalem is more of a server product, featuring smt (a reintroduction of hyper threading that is), csi (aka quick path), an imc and allowing 8 core MCM, because it's a native QC.
Core 3 Trio? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
QFT! Same thing I've been hearing what folks at Intel is saying. About this time Next Year for Nehalem. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by mstp2009
Also keep in mind that as more software is optimized for just some of Penryn's new features the performance gap between it and Conroe will widen. If AMD got what they expected out of Barkie, we'd see Penryns right now, if not last month.
Watch OUT! The Green team will be on your @$$ for those kinds of cracks.:rofl: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
Tricore? nah, it will be a "true" Quad :p: :rofl: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
Another Preview with Benchies:
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7711/xspenkensr0.jpg
http://www.hardware.info/en-US/artic...ance_preview/3
Power comsumption is great.
eh... Intel's 4nm prices will be low but what about 65nm prices? I wonder about Intel is going to finish Allendale manufacture or not?
true. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mstp2009
i think i will skip nehalem and buy my next pc 2009. :yepp: (maybe octocore? :D )
What do you guys guess, what will the lower clocked "celerons" be? 1066 bus and muly 6-9?
Any word on EIST? will it now go below 6 multy?
Cause of higher FSB.
Hmm.... so where is my book of dream interpretations... aha!Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
Celerons will be single-core CPUs on 800MHz; clocks: from 2GHz to 2.6GHz; 1Mb Cache L2... No reason for putting Cels on 1066MHz bus.
Dreams also show me the lowest multy (during Speed Step) will be x6.
But remember: dreams are always so obscure!..
Yes exactly same situation here^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
I don't know if I will be able to hold myself back from buying an E8400 x38 etc :slobber:
Fantastic, I love these huge caches. FSB still needs more attention, just like it always has. 1600mhz fsb shouldnt be too much farther away.
:) Hmmm.... if they really make present Celies (aka single cores) on 800 bus and with 45nm tech they will use NO power (I measured 24W lower idle on celly 420 than on 6400)Quote:
Originally Posted by Obscured
BUT I doubt that they will... I thing single core is dieing and will not see 45nm (heres for dreams, 1066 bus and 45nm singles :toast2: :toast2: )
Then AMD will have a great opportunity to grab the whole low-end x86 market with cheap and mass single-K10-core Semprons (Spica, afaik) without Intel's serious competitors. Such CPUs are usually used with integrated graphics... so, AMD will be able to make big money on chipsets and integretad graphics as well. I can hardly believe Intel will let such development.
:up:Quote:
Mobile Intel Penryn Pricing Unveiled
VR-Zone unveiled today prices of the mobile 45nm Penryn CPUs part of the Santa Rosa platform. The new mobile X9000, T9500, T9300, T8300 and T8100 CPUs are set to hit the market in January 2008.
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/07-09...penryn_thm.gif
Source: VR-Zone
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=40671
I don't think so. No matter how great Intel yields are, there will be failed cores recycled into Celerons or similar. Intel will NOT throw the good half of Dual Core in the Dumpster. Just as if some of the Cache is bad, then they'll recycle it as well. There's no reason why a Penryn Core 2 Solo wouldn't run at 1066 since many boards left 800MHz FSB in the dust.Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
It would be counter productive for Intel to stick a third core on the Package and sell a tri-core. They'll be able to sell 4 cheaper than AMD's 3 cores. Again, this is a recycled product. IMHO AMD is SMART to not waste a perfectly fine 3rd core. BUT, trying act as if it is not a recycled product and planned all alone is BS:rolleyes:
It's not like Intel is the White Knight. Since they are ahead, they don't need to get in the Mud. If they were lagging behind though, their sleaze would rear its ugly head as well.:D
Has the server price list also been released yet?
Wow...VR-Zone just got those?Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Appleinsider had them over a week ago!
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._revealed.html
Some knows if the Q9450 can in my Asus P5W DH Deluxe with 2004 bios G0 45mn edition (dont know the name of the maker anymore)
And are the perfomerance more than a Q6600 than a Q9450 ?
(sorry for this nooby's questions) :-(
You need to update the bios and it should work:Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake_Eyes
http://event.asus.com/mb/45nm/
The Q9450 should be a bit faster than the Q6700, cooler running than the Q6600 but could be limited by its 8X multiplier for overclocking on a 975x MB.Quote:
And are the perfomerance more than a Q6600 than a Q9450 ?
(sorry for this nooby's questions) :-
ME WANT Q9450
:drool:
you know I was gonna buy a q6600 but I think the e6600 can hold out till jan for a 9450 or 9550
Wow those gaming benchmarks, power consumption comparisons and heat comparisons are the sweet spot for me. I'm glad I didn't keep my Corsair 620HX cause my Enermax 500W will be able to pimp out the new smaller nm CPU and GPU chips no problemo.
Okay thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by accord99
But why most i update the bios than ?
I use the P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-2004-G0-45nm-Edition (Modified by lawrywild)
Are that bios not good than ?
Does it not support the Q9450 than ?
Its faster than a Q6700 whoow naise i go for the Q9450 than :clap:
So is Intel going to make these 1600Mhz FSB as Last Min changes?
I'd expect Intel to use 1600MHz FSB with Nehalem or its refresh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warboy
not so sure about that as gigabyte's new X38's got 1600MHz FSB splattered all over the case unless it will be much closer and work in these X38 boards :shocked: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
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Originally Posted by Warboy
As far as I can remember reading, Intel will have a refresh of the 775 platform by releasing a final 775 chipset in 2008. So one could expect those mobos and cpus will definetly bring 1600fsb to mainstream.
I also remember them saying that Nehalem will not be a desktop cpu in first.
That means that they will milk C2D for all that its worth, and few months after server Nehalem goes public Intel will drop it into mainstream(4core for sure, 8core:shrug: ).
I guess the 2p guys have something to look forward to (posible 2x8core beasts before desktop users get a taste of 4cores - dream:) )
I can't see even 4 cores being that useful on a typical desktop, much less 8/16. The only reason desktops will have for upgrades/changes now is:
- Lower power consumption
- Broken parts ;)
I´m almost the same place. Just with quads being the endpoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfaunits
Yes, but Common sense says IMC on Intel's Next Processor is not compat with current Sc-775. Yes there might be a legacy models but these will not IMHO have a 1600MHz FSB and I hope I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Oh and I'm more excited about X45 & X48 :eek:
do you mean the "real" 4th sieres chipset a.k.a. eaglelake or just the binned one. (damn, i still refuse to belive intel will call binned x38 chipsets x48... it makes no sense. :shrug: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Q9450 for me!!!!
You might be right, I don't know what Intel will call it. Yet, so far X38 didn't get some of the tech it was supposed to get according to what I read somewhere. The one I'm talking about is after Eaglelake and ships H2 2008:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Here we go again with another transistion product. While Intel's Processor folks have been on the ball, their chipset folks are lagging :rolleyes:D I mean come on Intel, i965 Chipset running hotter than a Dual Core processor?
The condensed version.
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Inte...8.html#Scene_1
Shows ICH9-R/DQ/ and etc.
http://www.hardwareoc.hu/upload/news..._eaglelake.jpg
Shows ICH10 R and etc.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-...ews-26068.html
Not OT but still on Nehalem. Here's how flames start. As the old saying going, "where there's smoke, there's fire". Nehalem borrows from INTEL'S past technologies that were not ready, needed better engineering, smaller processes, OS support and last but not least, software support. I want to stress, Intel's technology, not copying AMD and getting fanbois trying to teach some noob otherwise. Example.
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/int...spx?i=2955&p=3
Shame on you Anand!Quote:
Nehalem will no longer use a FSB but a serial point to point interconnect. Even more revolutionary is the fact that 1> Nehalem will have an integrated memory controller (IMC) and that the number of serial interconnects is variable (Intel's version of "HyperTransport"). Another potentially groundbreaking move is that some 2> Nehalem CPUs will have a GPU integrated (Intel's version of "Fusion"). With an integrated memory controller, new interconnect, and potentially integrated graphics, Nehalem will obviously 3> require a new socket.
1. Look up IBM Summit with multiple North Bridges linked serially years ago. Intel Fabbed Alphas and could have went with EV6 long before AMD did. When Intel bought up the remains of Alpha, they had to promise to not cut off AMD's license for the deal to go through. They have the RAMBUS serial BUS license as well, wink wink!
2. Intel is copying Timna that was their SOC (system on a chip) long before any Athlon shipped with an IMC and Fusion wasn't even an idea in those days. For Intel, this tech was the last thing they planned for RAMBUS. Meaning its older than Intel's support for DDR1 LOL!
http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb030105-story02.html
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG19990528S0030
This is what I mean by mudding the Information Pool. Now Fans at the AMD Zone will take the misinformation as Gospel and flames will follow. It's kind of sad that Nehalem would be downplayed like this and AMD given Credit where absolutely NONE is earned or due. The name of the story could have been, "Intel revisits Timna". Then this version of Nehalem might even ship before Fusion. Looks like VIA beat them both LOL!
sooo...
we will see 45nm cpus in Q4 07, 45nm cpu's with 1600 fsb in mid 08, nehalem around end of 08
and in the chipset department x38 now, higher binned x38 end of 07, a chipset officialy supporting 1600 FSB mid 08 and a new one for nehalem? did i get that right?
looks like i'll be getting a x38 baord + Q9450 and then sit out on 1600 FSB ones and then as next upgrade a nehalem... (in case amd doesnt get to grips till then lol)...
Yes, they can say 1600MHz FSB as much as they like. By the time Intel reaches 1.6GHz FSB, they'll be on a new socket. Or at least that's the way it looks now but that is not set in stone. Intel is bound to build Nehalem based legacy processors for not only Sc775 but the Xeon Based Sc-771, as part of their Stable Platform marketing.Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji
Some said/claimed 533MHz FSB support for the RAMBUS based i850. It became a lie when only the i850E supported 533, just as only the 865 and 875 supported 800MHz FSB. Then don't get me started on all the BS with i915, i925, 945, 948, 955 and etc.......:down: That's another reason I went with an Athlon 3500+ in those days.
quick question:
Will the Santa Rosa chipset in notebooks that currently come with T7xxx be compatible with Penryn T8xxx series?
I.E can I just drop a penryn in my Santa Rosa notebook?
most likely yes, as long as your OEM provides a BIOS updateQuote:
Originally Posted by n91htmare
Then Intel pulled back Penryn as AMD stumbled with Barcelona. Meanwhile, Intel can sell off old but great performing Core 2 D/Q's. They're still eating up server market share like a hungry fat guy or that hot dog eating champ.
They'll be able to load up inventories and supply large numbers of 45nm at launch, this will keep prices down as well. That is the real bad news for AMD who'll still have tight to limited supplies selling for small profit margins.
If AMD begins to stabilize by end of q3 08, then it will mean it'll recover fully by mid 2009, no sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
If that doesn't happen, its recovery could be prolonged well into 2010, delaying its Fusion processor.
Perkam
lol, what retard is gonna buy an e8500 when they can have an q9300
That's a lame view LOL!:ROTF: Everyone doesn't need Quad Cores and that's not a retarded view at all. Sure most of us want Quad. I put off G0 to get Penyrn Quad core later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
QFT!Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
That isn't going to delay Fusion...Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
It will just make it even more important then it might be.
The Timna like Fusion isn't meant to save AMD, its meant to save AMD some money. Fusion is meant to solidify AMD's Business desktop platforms, computers sold to Websurfers and other light uses. The money/market share in Servers and High-end workstations will absolutely go untouched by Fusion. So let's get that out of the way. SOC was always meant to be low investment (low risk)+ good returns (moderate returns on ASP) proposition nothing else. I don't think AMD is even close to betting the farm on Fusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
AMD will need to do something better than selling 3.2GHz processors for a little under $300 to turn their company around.
Take a wild guess as to what percentage of the market that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Perkam
Nothing AMD can fill LOL! We all know that the larger margins are and that's servers. With AMD hovering between 18 to 20% of all PC's sold, they're running 600+ million quarterly short falls, then they borrowed another almost 2 billion. AMD needs higher ASPs not another 2% of the market gained by running up more debt.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Hector Ruiz said it best. Intel made 80% of the world's processors and 90% of the money from a 100% all processors sold. Meaning AMD only made about 8% + 2% for VIA, IBM and etc......
Intel had a large enough Money Army for a war of attrition, AMD doesn't. If AMD has their eggs in Fusion's basket to save them, they're in deep doo doo:D
Anyone have pricing for Harpertowns?
and yet better real release datums...
From the vr-zone link posted by red:
L5250 dual core Wolfdale, 3.16 GHz, 1333 FSB, 6 meg L2, 40 W TDP :eek:
Verrrrry nice. Surprised to see 3.4 GHz/1600 fsb wolfdale listed for nov launch?
Low voltage models. It has a $1k price matching it too! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JVguest
Honestly, I´m more excited about this:
L5420, Harpertown (aka 4 cores), 2.5Ghz, 1333FSB, TDP 50W, 380$
Just brutal :eek:
Any indication on CPU temps except that one desktop comparison?
You got that right!Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
I was wondering about default speed only lol. I should have been more clear though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss
Temps?
According to FUD and their sample, 46C idle for the 3GHz 1333FSB version.
4GHz Yorkfield Intel displayed were only phase change possible and even then not stable about two weeks back. So not much to go off.
46c. no way.
For the stock cooler air stuff idle was 36c with ambient around 78F
I was shocked to see the CPU cooler than the NB.
DAMN that LV 5420 is making me salivate for a DP setup.
Funny thing is that just 4GB of FB-DIMM will probably consume more power that 2 of those CPUs.
Thats the only thing holding me back for seriously thinking about it. (I did hear a roumor of 1.5v fb-dimms from Micron, who knows if that would help and how much...)
I second that. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
All of those are making me want a DP setup :(/:D I don't know if I should spring for it though...Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
I also heard about the 1.5v FB-DIMMs from Micron. Hopefully they're DDR2-800...
Hmm...that's low. Can you recall the stock voltage on the model you had?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
What software do you use to monitor the CPU temp.? CoreTemp doesn't work with a Yorkfield. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Those X5450's and X5460's look interesting..
Better than the top one..1333FSB and 9 and 9.5 multi's
Those you can play with using the 800FBDimms..:devil:
Dual X5450's + 9800GTX = mwhahahahaha :eek:
Yessss, it'll be my next cpu :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Morais
1.125v on the DX38BT.
Temp from bios.
BTW I LOVE THAT Sig:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss
When I saw this "L5420, Harpertown (aka 4 cores), 2.5Ghz, 1333FSB, TDP 50W, $380", my wife grab my &$^# and asked "mmmm, been looking :shocked: at p{r}on again?" LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
There is lots of talk about High End Workstation versions of the Server Boards that will use plain of DDR2 and DDR2 Reg/ECC. No way you'd want too much Ram without something to regulate it or do error checks to check its integraty. At least that's the way I learned it many years ago.
There was a lot of talk at IDF about dumping FB-DIMMs...Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Let's hope Intel does release something (non-FBDIMMs) this year unlike... <cough>roadmapper<cough> :D
I want to OC that DP!
ASUS Blitz Extreme - 1.224 - 3GHzQuote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
That might explain the higher in-windows temps. :confused:
LOOOOL :ROTF: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Man I love pr0n :D
Hehehe!Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
this processor line-up is simlpy awesome, I just wonder why there is no 2,4/2.0ghz 1600mhz fsb part. Those high fsb parts completely rape k10 in everything :D (so why not release more of them?)
I am sure as hell there were already some AC/WC 4ghz yorkfields.. I don't expect the air overclock to be lower than current g0, it was already shown that they perform great under LN2, maybe even better than current core 2 duo.Quote:
4GHz Yorkfield Intel displayed were only phase change possible and even then not stable about two weeks back. So not much to go off.
With such a high FSB, Intel will have to go back to X.5 Multipliers. The first time I heard of 1600MHz FSB, it was for a 3.2GHz Model. That might be the last FSB anyway since Intel will go to Common System Interface next year. One IBM guy said it will start at 2GHz. Oh, its Bitwidth will make it about the same as HT3.0 at 4GHz but that's only rumor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacky
SkullTrail is an unlocked 5300VXN chipset, hopefully more boards will be unlocked... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by alfaunits
My main Grrr about FBDIMM is that I can't replace it whenver I want ;) I can get DDR2 anywhere, but FBDIMM.. only a local Supermicro distro (read: wallet-grabber)
Then I might just have simpler needs and a that 2.5GHz Quad Core even at stock would be nice. I have Zero need to two Xeons.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfaunits
What's he mean by replacing them any time he wants? Is it that much of an inconvenience to order new ones from newegg? And RAM isn't something you swap out all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
I live in Serbia, ordering from NewEgg or Mercateo.de is not something I can do any day ;) FBDIMMs are not found everywhere, and they can't be sold here, so I gotta be picky. DDR2 on the other hand is a totally different story.
I don't swap it every day, but if I do decide to swap it... read above.
Speed is a nice bonus of non-FBDIMMs, though ;)
And I actually do need many cores at work.
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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
Ah, now that is a reasonable explanation ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by alfaunits