Horrible colour those Asus motherboards.
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Horrible colour those Asus motherboards.
Color does not matter when it performs well and is reliable:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/p5kvm.jpg
Nice look indeed!
It seems the "open-ended" PCI-E 4x slot is becoming popular... Maybe the dream some of us had of full-featured mATX boards (including OC capabilities and more "exotic" GPU solutions) will come true...
Now the only thing missing is an E-mATX board with dual quad-core CPU sockets and true CF/SLI support (or just single GPU, I don't really use dual GPU solutions)... hehehe Hey, one CAN dream... :P
Btw, anyone knows why Asus had the "brilliant" (NOT!) idea of loosing the mouse port? Now I have to get a new mouse and a new KVM switch just to be able to use those new boards...
Appart from that, I think you can expect a P5K-VM Deluxe model (or something like that), with black PCB and the ICH9R. I don't think Asus will let the DS2R take the lead on this one...
Cheers.
Miguel
I have an Asus board that colour and I don't like it.
I have seen people with teeth that colour and its not a very nice look indeed!
anyone have the P5K-VM? Oc-results?
No but I have seen people with teeth the same colour.
:banana::banana::banana::banana: the colour. wee like performance, stability and layout. Loves the mouse-PS2 port is gone > 2 x USB:banana::banana::banana::banana:
As a builder who doesn't build anything larger than SFF boxes, I have been waiting for this kind of board for a long, long time. According to Gigabyte, the boards are going to be released in the US on June 4th. They said all authorized dealers have the boards in-stock but Intel is holding back sales until the 4th.
Not much longer to go!
Abit's F-I90HD doesnt oc too well
Gigabyte's doesnt have 1:1 ratio
Asus's doesnt have raid
Gee, they never listen to us dont they
I'll just wait what MSI will give
But for now gigabyte's is still better
And about the colour, i dont care about it too much
I guess P5K vanilla has that colour and still perform great for the price
-tam2-
Does this come with mobo?
http://multivak.mu.funpic.de/bilder/...33M-DS2R_2.jpg
And where is spdif?
I need to connect it digitaly to my amplifier.
looks like theres the reason for the open ended 4x slot.
the HDMI card ,,, look at it, it only has 4x slot worth of pins,, and the rest is missing the pins so you would need an open ended slot to make the card fit.
i think the size of the PCB is retarded but hell if they are willing to give you an HDMI adapter, more power to them, its just too bad the intel onboard video chipset is just absolutely worthless and even if you did use the HDMI adapter it still wouldnt be worth it.
i just highly doubt its capabilities for VC1 and x264 encoding/decoding and proper video out color, black levels, etc etc..
intel, king of the cpu market cant even make a decent video chipset. lol
Look at mobos 4X connector, it really is opened at factory :)
But I´ll probably go with 8600GT with HDMI.
Is there spdiff bracket with this mobo?
Well, from my personal opinion, all PCI-E slots should be open-ended (except maybe 16x slots, which are currently the biggest ones available... - Anyone ever seen a 32x slot, btw?). Most PCI-E hardware is able to work with reduced bandwidths. I remember reading an article on Tom's Hardware a couple of months back which tested if PCI-E bandwidth was really needed for GPUs, and they configured a X1950XTX as 2x-16x, and it worked with no problems, only reduced performance, in some cases. The same thing is also known to happen with RAID cards, so for me it makes more sense all PCI-E slots being open ended...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
As for the HDMI card, not knowing the board and the add-ons, I must say, though, that Intel IGP chipsets use the primary PCI-E 16x slot (or AGP, whichever the case) for external links, not secondary ones... It would be a very good thing if Gigabyte went around this issue, because that would mean Surround View options would grow a lot...
Anyway, just my :2cents:
Cheers.
Miguel
The open ended PCI-E slot on the P5K-VM is blocked by the battery :rolleyes:
Good luck fitting anything longer than 4x cards in
That's just plain dumb board design... :brick::brick::brick::brick::brick:Quote:
Originally Posted by oohms
Unless somehow a bigger card can fit (or be made fit) even with such an obstacle in its way, there is yet another reason NOT to go with the P5K-VM... Seriously, I AM an Asus fan, but sometimes I don't know what goes on with Asus's board designers... I guess they forgot open-ended 4x PCI-E slots can be used for Crossfire...
[RANT]I mean, putting an open-ended slot next to an obstacle? Yeah, right... Not to mention that GREAT idea they had to put the only non IRQ-sharing PCI slot on the P5B Deluxe next to the first PCI-E 16x slot (and similarly with another PCI slot, right next to the second PCI-E 16x slot, all along leaving an 1x PCI-E slot - disabled in Crossfire - always available...) [/RANT]
Cheers.
Miguel
P.S.: Sorry for venting, won't happen again. It's just sometimes I can't understand some somewhat obvious - and VERY wrong - choices manufacturers make...
dude, p5k-vm has lpt!!!!!!!! :)!!!
@BulldogPO:
no spdif bracket nore DVI additionnal card!
I got this baby home a couple of days ago.
The sticks to go with this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146118
..now, I'm really stunned by this combo...the sticks will do 1160MHz on stock voltage..that is 1.8v folks!:D
truly amazing..
Damn, gotta get that bracket somewhere then.Quote:
Originally Posted by pvhk
Don't worry, you can desolder the battery and mount it to the back of the board if you want :DQuote:
Originally Posted by __Miguel_
:rofl::rofl::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by oohms
Nice one, but I'm not really a "soldering major"... lol I majored in law, with minors in law, law, economics and IT :p: Besides, that would kill the warranty, and here in Portugal we have a 2-year standard warranty for all new products (except for batteries - 6 months - and perishable/consumable products - most food products and PC media). Not a very good move to do that... :p:
Also, I simply hate the way Asus went by killing one PS/2 port... Another generation and only the floppy drive will remain... I'm sorry, but NO, I don't like that one tiny bit. PS/2 ports are just fine, and you don't have IRQ problems with them, like you can have with USB ones... Besides, there's not one thing I can't do with a USB mouse that the can't be done with the same mouse and a PS/2 converter...
Ok, did that sound like a rant? I REALLY have to stop venting like this... :p: Besides, I'm off-topic already... Ups...
Speaking on off-topics... Anyone has an idea of if/when the ratio problem will be adressed (sp)? Also, do post more results with this board, it's always a pleasure to see its performance.
Cheers.
Miguel
Let's play now with the fsb!
locking the ratio to 6x in order not to be cpu limited! (e6600)
vddr@2.00v, vMCH +0.2v, vFSB+0.2v
fsb@420
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/420.jpg
:eek2: What kind of CPU is that? 4x420 with NO voltage increase? :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by pvhk
Also, those insanely low voltage increases are also very nice... I mean, that board simply pulverises many low-end P5Bs... Sweet!
Btw, I do have to ask... Those values are with external or internal graphics? I'm figuring external, but it would also be nice to know how much more to expect from the IGP... Can you try running some IGP-enabled OC?
Thanks and nice work!
Cheers.
Miguel
My rig:
7900GS pcie, crucial ballistix 5300 @2.00v, e6600:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b...7935copier.jpg
fsb@440: nothing else change:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/440.jpg
Damn nice board, Wats gone into GB lately?? BTW, MacClipper wats da price for this in SG??
And finally!
fsb@450 with my e6600 (ratio 6x)
vDDR@2.0v (using crucial ballistix 5300 /micron D9GMH)
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/450.jpg
Hey, I just noticed... You're running DDR2-667 memory @ 1125MHz? Either those are tremendous OC'ers or DDR2 has immense ammounts of headroom to OC... Auch...Quote:
Originally Posted by pvhk
On-topic again, 4x450 isn't nothing to sneeze at, especially considering we're talking about a MICRO-ATX board, and one NOT designed for serious OC... I mean, I remember the days when P5B Deluxes couldn't even cross the 400MHz barrier...
Now, anyone knows when the GA-G33M-DQ6 comes out? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Cheers.
Miguel
i 've got some damned killing ram :chips micron D9GMH!:up: (crucial ballistix 5300)
I also have the Cruccis PC5300 CL3 D9GMH:banana::banana::banana::banana:.
Why not give it more cpu clock, it can make 3Ghz cant it? Because im not hunting high FSB get high clock, can the MB handle that
the aim of this test is not to hit the max cpu frequency!
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6553/cropsf7.jpg
it's to search for the max fsb the mb can handle!
And a friend of mine (drazendead) has already beaten the world record with its e6700:
fsb@484
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9205/484hw0.jpg
max fsb on my rig:
fsb@455, ram@562.5Mhz (using ballistix 5300 or crucial value d9gmh!)
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/455.jpg
Wicked! Intel sure did hit the jackpot with the P965 and x33/35 chipsets... These things are insanely fast... Having a VERY OCable mATX board is sweet, and it CAN pack quite a punch when going to LAN parties...
I'm curious to see how much more juice can be squeezed out of the x33/35 chipsets, the power X38 will pack, and how much further future 65nm chipsets (if I'm not mistaken, they're always one step behind CPUs. At least with Intel, that is...) will be able to go... This is a VERY good decade for CPU evolution...
:drool:
Cheers.
Miguel
nice, I hope to see a 4mb cache C2D at 3600mhz, if the mb kan handle it
he most have damn good memories to oc to 485FSB. nice niceQuote:
Originally Posted by pvhk
so is this dman board ever going to come out in the USA or what ?
avalable in little Denmark:D
Does the NB get hot?
little denmark lol.
hmm,, i have a client in bermuda who frequently travels back to their home office in Ireland,, i should ask him to grab me one.
we probably wont see it here for another 2 months or even at all....
yes very hot with the stock heatsink!Quote:
Originally Posted by hot_fifty
that's why i mounted an hr05 on it:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b...7925copier.jpg
with a fan taken from a ct479 kit:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b...7935copier.jpg
no problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by hot_fifty
from my pal drazendead!
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5884/360sh6.png
thx, that was the one I waited for. I have ordered one
What NB cooling does he have, and is it for 24/7 this sys
I wnat the HR on MB but my Noctua NHu
12U-F is too big I guess. I your cpu-cooler Ultra 120 or 90?
ultra 90!
drazendead use the same nb cooler (hr05)...
ok, I dont think the HR05 will fit in the setup:( 120mm cpu cooler:banana::banana::banana::banana:
Which cooling does drazendead have on the cpu?
nice nice, maybe I´ll go for that
we only need to see a Quad in the nice mATX mb:D
anyone know something about the asus G33 MB. Asus P5K-VM, G33, Socket-775?
u wanted to know bout the mem divider of that mobo rite?
perhaps u should try to email them?
-tam2-
I have, but their answer, that the DS2R is a mATX MB not designed for overclocking
Gee, that's it? similar to GA's response then. Sorry to hear that or maybe wanna try one of these:
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/produc...D=en-us0000319
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...=1&cat2_no=170
Maybe ask windwithme for more info bout the MSI
-tam2-
I like the MSI due to the pci ports placement
I get my Gigabyte end of this week
newegg has em for 139 jesus no way 139 bucks for that, i'd rather grab the P35 chipset DS3R for 139.
ony way i'd get it was if it was a beast of a clocker and.. well.. its sketchy
yeah do that, im in for the mATX, remember high FSB, lower multi does give anything, only cpu clock and 450FSB is enough for air/water with E6600 w. 9 multi
Fix whine 170 bucks in Denmark:banana::banana::banana::banana:
Unfortunately, mATX boards have always been more expensive than the corresponding ATX board of the same manufacturer. It seems the IGP drives prices a little up (wouldn't surprise me, the boards in fact have a €30 GPU embedded in them... lol). Well, either that or the fact that mATX boards are smaller (which means they need more time and money spent on circuit routing)... heheQuote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
While I do run my main rig with an ATX board and independent GPU (it's for gaming, after all... :D), I still love smaller form factors. mATX is the most common, but I'd be VERY happy to have a G33/G35-based socket 775 mini-ITX motherboard with a PCI/PCI-E slot. Of course that won't happen, and even if it did happen, it would cost like €200 just for the board, but it's fun to think about... hehe
Cheers.
Miguel
P.S.: I dream of the day we can have mATX boards without IGPs... Can you imagine a P35 or X38-based mATX board with FULL OC capabilities? :drool:
[EDIT]Well, it appears there is a manufacturer that makes ALMOST such a board (mini-ITX with PCI-E 16x slot)... Only thing is, it's based off the 945GME (yuck), does NOT have Dual Channel Memory, and only runs socket 479 CPUs (C2D max). Also, it seems VIA is releasing mini-ITX boards with both PCI-E 16 AND mini-PCI slots, so maybe that's a good indication for the future. But enough with the :off: :p: [/EDIT]
yeah, please come without integreted gfx
got my DS2R. NICE. Running 356 X 9 = 3200 on a E6600 24/7 at 1,2 vcore. Mems on 445 5-5-5-21 at only 1,9
Nice, what mem sticks are u using? no chance to run it @400 cpu fsb?
How high can your cpu go @ default multi?
-tam2-
it is at default multi, it refuse to boot 400, but will try 420 later, maybe a FSB hole or something. Cpu has done 3,8 stable on water-P5B deluxe.
Sig my sig for mems
So is the 1:1 memory ratio still missing?
yeah, but only release bios right now. Maybe other bioses enables the ratio 1:1
I have an E4400, but I am wondering if I do the pin mod to the chip if I can get more memory dividers. I think I saw somewhere that the non-800 MHz FSB chips have more memory dividers. Is this the case / can I fool my mobo into giving me the extra dividers?
I can run my chip all day long at FSB 333, but it craps out around 350 (thats at 1.325 V, extra voltage doesn't help). My D9 ram is crapping out a little passed DDR 1100. I can't really crank the DDR voltage up too much as it is my HTPC and the ram gets bad airflow.
it has been tried without success (bsel mod of an e4400 on this gigabyte)!
Any hints on how to disable Speedstep/EIST? I set it to disabled in BIOS, but that doesn't seem to be working.
I really just want to get CrystalCPUID to work so that I can undervolt. (I can run at 6 x 300 FSB at .85 Volts which is perfect for my htpc when idling)
i can't recall how gigabyte sets vcore if you change it. i think that if you keep stock vcore, you'll be able to change the vid in windows.
otherwise, it overrides it. you'll have to experiment to find out.
also, look into rmclock for vid manipulation as well. i'm using it with my dfi board, so i do 1.48v @ 3.6 and 1.31 @ 2.7
I use RM clock to set the voltage for each multiplier, then I lower voltage in BIOS. (-0.1v)Quote:
Originally Posted by ziddey
This way I lower the whole delta..works perfect!
My e4400 gets fed by this:
6 x 270 @(1.050-0.1)v = 1620MHz@0.950v
7 x 270 @(1.050-0.1)v = 1890MHz@0.950v
8 x 270 @(1.050-0.1)v = 2160MHz@0.950v
9 x 270 @(1.050-0.1)v = 2430MHz@0.950v
10 x 270 @(1.212-0.1)v = 2700MHz@1.112v
It's crammed in a very tiny HTPC/server chassi, with an airduct for exhaust from CPU.
IHS also gone so temps are nothing to even bother writing about :D
Is that with sticks in your sig?Quote:
Originally Posted by hot_fifty
I got this cheapo Mushkins:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146118
The board loves'em!
I get:
1100MHz 5 5 5 17 @1.8v
1160MHz 5 6 6 17 @1.8v
Memtest stable looping #6 and #7
..not bad me thinks.:D
so jealous... my teamgroup won't do anything over 1050. so i'm stuck at 420 x 7...Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint
tried SPD timings? My Crucials PC5300 D9GMH overclocks way more on SPD than manual set. DDR1000 4-3-3-8 at only 1,9
Now that is what I was looking for:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by hot_fifty
Must get me a pair:D
any1 tried memset 3.3 beta2? It works fine here, but cant get it to save the profil at boot.can you? Everybody try set your performance level from the regular value(mine is 9 at 356FSB) to a lower value, (mine is stable at 5). You will see a gain:)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint
Your is also great huh?
Yes, for $89 they are excellent!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by hot_fifty
But they will not go so far on cas4, tops out at 900MHz.
How do you set the voltage in BIOS to be lowered by .1V?Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint
Set it .1v lower than default.Quote:
Originally Posted by XDVD
Haha, sorry... that is obvious. When I set the voltage to anything in bios other than manual and the default settings, I can no longer adjust the voltage with RMCLOCK.
That is weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by XDVD
I have the latest version of RMclock and can set the range of voltage.
I have both EIST and that other powersaving feature enabled in BIOS (can't remember name right now)...and it's all playing together nicely.
On 800MHz CPU's the 4:5 is not available. The lowest seems to be 3:5.
I have a E4400 and with BSEL mod it would not boot (I guess on AUTO the dividers are 4:4 and the memory was running at 1066).
Without BSEL the maximum for me is 280MHz FSB and memory at 933 (I have some cheap Kingmax DDR800).
Do you really think that new dividers will be added with future BIOSes? They released F2 and nothing changed.
it's definitely possible for them to add them. as to why they aren't right now, it seems strange. maybe they have more important things to worry about, and matx gets kicked to the side again
that said, it's strange bsel manipulation doesn't work on this new breed of boards. i remember changing bsel to 333 and it worked fine with p965-ds3 and later bios (it only posted at 266, but that's better than older bios where it wouldn't even post at all).
4:5 is definitely part of 266 strap since it allows for 667ddr operation at 266.
hopefully, if new bios comes out that allows selection or at least opens things up, you'll be able to run at 333strap and use 1:1 even.
guess time will tell
New bios available for download, contains 1:1 divider: http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Moth...ProductID=2534
Now it's clear what mobo I will buy :)
cooool. any input on performance levels?
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Originally Posted by ziddey
Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
This is the most reliable known info & results using the bios. I opted for the ASUS P5K-VM because it seems to clock higher & Asus has been pretty good about bios updates of late.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
For me, seems the only advantage left for the Asus is the working S3 sleep/resume support. Wonder if F4a has improved on that but from experience (pls feedback here, guys), GA isn't too good on S3 support all along.
Just wanted to hop in and post my results with this board (sorry no screenies as of yet, I'm at work now...).
I popped an E6420 in to mine w/ the stock Intel cooler and clocked it straight up to 3.2ghz @ 1.32v w/ some $80 G.Skill PC2-6400. Rock solid.
I'm very impressed with this boards capabilities, I'm loving it!!!
@Caligula: Thanks for that link, looks like I know what I will be doing tonight :) MORE CLOCKIN'!
any updates on the fsb800 ram-dividers?
That's what I'd like to know too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2fink
:up: Hi Lads.
Righty....im running an e6320 at 445 x 7 = 3115mhz with crucial value ram (667mhz) it all seems good but i cant find where to set the timings apart from the multipliers.
is there anyway to access the advanced timings on this board.
Cheers
Gordy!
Press Ctrl and F1 or something while you're ini bios
-tam2-
so ctrl & f1 when im in the bios will open other options?
cheers
gordy!
:yepp:
timings unlocked
Ideal lads...
this is my first gigabyte board so i need to learn all these hot key tricks...lol...
anyway.....im in at 460mhz now but not stable...thats down to ram timings i think.....so time to play a bit........
will keep you posted......
all in all...im glad my f-i90hd failed......
Gordy! :up:
I guess this E6420 has a pretty serious FSB wall, it doesn't seem to be stable past around 410-420 FSB and I know this board is capable of more than that.
I'm quite content with 3.2ghz on a stock cooler however, I shall just leave it be!
http://upload.overclock3d.net/get.php?id=3218&view=1
I dont think it is an FSB wall of your CPU. it seems to be a lack of voltage - all C2D should be able to do more , but you need more Vcore and a better cooling. 3.6 GHZ should be possible.
I might have missed this, but has anyone compared OC results on this board with IGP enabled vs. plug-in card utilized?
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Originally Posted by 2fink
Add me to that list...anybody? Need 1:1 with an E4300 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neon Biker
hi ppl
I choose this board as part of my HTPC :)
I order this list of parts:
E2160
A-DATA DDR2 2*1GB PC6400
to come:
Sapphire HD2400PRO 256MB DDR2
LC-POWER 550W 6550 Green Power v2.0 140mm
Zalman 7000B - Cu
Seagate ST3250410AS 250GB (1 prato)
Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R
what do you think about that system ?
thx
PS: sorry about my english
I tried dropping the divider to see if that was the problem but still a no go. I still think that this chip has a low FSB wall which is a common problem with the "half series" chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holiday
i am also running an e2160. if you want to overclock i would take a fsb266 cpu, because of the missing 1:1 divider with fsb200 cpus.Quote:
Originally Posted by kadinho
for htpc use only, its a great combination!
anyone got some news on 800-divider?
what about 800 divider? I imagine most of us won't want to use it.