Hmmm, this is my max at 4-4-4. Does it look okay to you guys? :p:
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Hmmm, this is my max at 4-4-4. Does it look okay to you guys? :p:
Voltage ? ^^
Insane clocks Gautam, hope mine will get that high, will know when my new m/b arrives.
[IMG]http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2...llistixam2.png[/IMG]Quote:
Those markings are used specifically on the Ballistix-line by Crucial.
In this case -18F means it's memory binned at 1.8ns, or 1.875ns to be precise.
1000 ÷ 1.875 = 533MHz or DDR2-1066 or PC2-8500.
For example, PC2-6400 Ballistix has -25F markings (1000 ÷ 2.5 = 400MHz or DDR2-800).
On mine they printed Ballistix higher so d9gmh can be seen.
Mine is printed over on my tracer but i have -18f and it says D9GMH you can faintly read it behind
yup i can make out D9GM the H i cant really make out but i assume its there
Very very good for 2.82V !
Just got mine. Will do some testing as soon as I can. Any requests for 650i and 965p chipset testing? Later...
Here are my initial results. This is with 1.92v in BIOS using my p5n-e sli. 1m stable.
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/684...92v1mpirq4.png
After or before but you are right : same chips D9GMH in PC5300/6400/8000/8500 in Ballistix series
1m pi stable at 2.013v
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9...pi2013vpg0.png
I tend to think that they are all the same chip, only the spd is different, the pc rating is only a gimmic. Micron d9gmh all start their life in Singapore, some of them get put in value ram, others go in uber expensive ram with fancy heatspreaders, and others with ott heatspreadrs like ocz and corsair and sell for much much more. At the end of the day they all had a hubble origin.:D
And yeh some do clock a little higher than others, but that's a luck of the draw, I think, no????
I got this memory on my QuadGT and I can't even hit 600 MHz :( Highest I've gotten so far is 562.5. Do the sub timings on the QuadGT affect it that much?
I've tried 600MHz at 2.4vdimm with 1.55vmch at 5-6-6-18 and it won't boot :(
I can boot 4-4-4-8 600mhz @ 2.4v and run dual 1m pi but thats about it
Here is 2.178v 1m pi stable. This stuff is awesome.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/570...78v1mpipp2.png
4-4-4-8 doesn't want to work on my 650i board at 600mhz. Kinda frustrating. I can't get past 650mhz for anything. No matter what voltage. I think my S3 will like this memory a lot better, but that is for another day. Voltage doesn't seem to help these dimms at all. Interesting.
could be the board or the memory controller holding you back if that's the case... who knows without testing ram you know can do higher mhz or using a different board :p:
Im running memtest stable @ 4-4-4-8 1100mhz 2.3v
That's what I was thinking. It will boot at 1300mhz at 2.1v but if I go 1mhz higher I get a memory error beeb. Subtimings may have something to do with. That or unstable vdimm from my motherboard. I wonder if a maximizer is compatible with this board. I'm thinking of getting an I9N, but who knows at this point. I'll see what it can do on my 965 board that is 2.37 vdimm limited. I need eva2000 or somebody else that knows these nvidia boards better than I do.
Can you guys post your max oc. Im still only able to validate at 680mhz. what are you guys running at?
680 with 1 stick or both dimms in? Makes quite a difference, at least on me board.
thats with one stick, i haven't done much testing with 2.
with the one in my sig, p5b dlx c1
better late than never i guess...
MB: P5B-Dlx (Rev.003 / C1 / 0804)
CPU: E6600 (L629B383)
CPU Cooling: Thermalright Ultra-120
NB Cooling: Asetek Waterchill
PSU: Silverstone Zeus 560W (ST56ZF)
HD: Seagate 7200.9 80GB SATAII
OS: Windows 2k3
Dual 32M as always from me...
click for full size...
5-5-5-8 // DDR1200 // 2.13v (DMM Measured):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...dual32m-1s.png
5-5-5-18 // DDR1280 // 2.32v (DMM Measured) (timings set to auto in BIOS):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._prime-1sm.png
at 5-5-5 they run pretty damn good. i haven't had the best luck with Ballistix and voltage so i have stayed rather low with this kit but they have done well so far. what is most impressive isn't the 5-5-5 clocking but 3-4-3. on the P5B-Dlx, this memory doesn't really like 3-3-3, but it really pulled ahead at 3-4-3. at the same voltage, 3-4-3 clocked on average 30MHz further than 3-3-3, sometimes as much as 40MHz faster.
3-4-3-8 // DDR890 // 2.32v (DMM Measured):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...dual32m-1s.png
D9GMH as reported by others:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...00/pic-1sm.jpg
the setup as it was running during testing, with a 120mm fan of course:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...00/pic-2sm.jpg
i see this thread is for the 8500s... i ordered the 2gb tracer pc2-8000s from buy.com... think it'll make a diff if i pick up the $130 AR deal of the 2gb tracer 8500s at newegg, or does it really not matter?
thx.
subtimings are in all the screenshots, just scroll to the right hand side hafter clicking for the full-size.
taking heatspreaders off is not recommended. these ballistix were a fight to get off and it shows. the thermal paste is all ripped up and it simply looks like they were pulled off.
Oops, my bad. Good advise on the heatsink. Not worth it just to look at the chip module type. Thanks
Goldman, personally I think you'll get typically the same as people w/8500's, maybe less overclock. I feel at least you'll do as good as the lowest overclock posted in the 8500 forums, but maybe not the top end 640+ mhz overclocks, who knows?
Very impressive . great price too.
This is the highest I was able to go with 4-3-3-5 timings with tight subtimings. It is very odd that it will go to 576mhz at 4-3-3-5, but will not boot into windows at 600mhz 4-4-4-12. I think my chipset is what is limiting me. I need to get another good benching board. Any suggestions?
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/985/5764335ob3.png
anyone else get D9GKX on their 8500?
I just got another set of 8500 with D9GMH, so I will do a shoot out
D9GKX high bin vs D9GMH high bin
heh
That would be very interesting Irev210, I hope you really put that test together and have the time to post results! My kit is arriving tomorrow and I've got the whole day off (YEAH)! I ended up getting the vanilla PC2-8500 Ballistix from the EGG. I'll post IC's and initial results tomorrow afternoon/evning. By the way Irev where did you buy the GKX Ballistix from (or were they sent to you for testing purposes)?
Ah the addiction..... got my fix :D
http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...ix8500_004.jpg
here is my question-- is there a difference between the tracers or the balistix? other then the led's? Im not really into all the flashing stuff-- but love how these are timing...
There is a chance I could be wrong slideways666 but I'm pretty sure there is absolutly no difference between the Tracers and the vanilla Ballistix other than the color of heatspreaders and LED's. The IC's and PCB are the same but set me straight guys if I'm incorrect!
here's some teasers
Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500
@634Mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.3v
Asus P5K Deluxe 0307 bios
Crazy memory to be able to hit 634Mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.3v vdimm for dual Super Pi 32M!
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K..._validated.png
Single 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K...2m57s875ms.png
Dual 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K...i-32m_dual.png
Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500
@620Mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.35v
Asus P5B Deluxe 1101 bios
Put the same pair i tested on Asus P5K Deluxe into my Asus P5B Deluxe (without Maximizer) to see how they do and so far highest mem clock frequency on P5B Deluxe ever for me @620Mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.35v dual Super Pi 32M!
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B..._validated.png
Single 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...4m13s813ms.png
Dual 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...i-32m_dual.png
eh,why not.
400mhz 3-4-3-8,2.1v,orthos stable
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6...hdghth3.th.jpg
600mhz 5-5-5-15,2.1v,dual spi 32m
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/9...mhz2fz3.th.jpg
I guess I am just unlucky.
My new Tracer 8500 do not OC as well as my Ballistix 8000 and Ballistix 5300.
Sorry to hear that superray, I just barely got my kit installed (about 5 minutes ago)! Like most others they are 1.8ns GMH, I'm hoping they will do well since I just sold my Cellshocks to get them! I will post initial results as soon as I'm able to put together some results! By the way superray what kind of numbers are you getting with them (how bad are they)? Also have you been able to reallly test them (CAS3, CAS4, CAS5, etc..)? You are the first person I've heard from who wasn't impressed with these modules. Last but not least do you happen to know what IC's their running?
My first set of Crucial Ballistix 8500 on Asus Commando.. at 2.4v bios set
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/Com...3m09s078ms.png
can't get tighter heh
heh, you can definitely get a bunch more mhz out of those though eva. stop aiming for the nice round numbers :lol2:
Got mine :) 955mhz @ cas3, 1185 @ cas4 but limited by board I think.
LOL one look at the neatness of my screenshots you can tell i'm anal about nice round numbers :D
But here ya go :)
@665.8Mhz 5-6-5-9 6-35-8-6-8 at 2.55v which is the highest memory frequency I've done to complete Super Pi 32M on any motherboard. Previous best was @650mhz 5-5-5-18 on Asus 680i Striker Extreme with 2x1GB OCZ PC2-9200 FlexXLC at 2.550v.
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K..._validated.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K...3m26s563ms.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K..._bandwidth.png
Is this good/safe enough for day to day multi-tasking and gaming ?
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2.../TracerOC1.jpg
why not raise it to 5-5-4 and drop the voltage some?
I've got today the same kits what ozzimark have, this memo's looks really nice :D
first result 650mhz cas5 2.4v, Im going higher :yepp:
Your great advice is well taken :D :clap:
I've change the Vdimm down 2 intervals from 2.3v to 2.2v and now it's at 5-5-4-9-3-25-3-3-5.
My heart can rest easier now :)
Ballistix Tracer D9GMHs are not bad for CL5s :cool:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...P5K-DlxOC1.jpg
These are the low binned kind.... actually the the lowest binned....
http://www3.telus.net/luis99/ddr12002.1.JPG
2*1GB Tracer 8500 @ 2.20v + Asus P5K
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=211926
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3746/120022st1.jpg
still the max freq is 690mhz @ 2.5v, but I'm working on 700+ :D
Anyone got these on a gigabyte P35 chipset board. If you do what are your subtimings if you could post those up.
just grabbed a kit of the non-tracers + a DS3P so i will post my results tommorrow and onwards:up:
i know the normal ones aren't the same as tracers, but they use the same chips right? i would think the onyl difference is one has LEDs and the other doesn't. someone confirm please :]
Got my 4x1gb worth of them today. I ordered the regular version and they sent me tracers (oh well).
First run with all 4 gigs 500mhz 5-5-5-13 2.2v on my abit IP35 pro with 500fsb. Went down to 2 gigs and got the usual 600mhz 5-5-5-13 with 2.2v
Testing now at lower speed 550mhz with 5-4-4-9 2.2v. $ gigs is a little harder to oc with less volts. Still not bad for 15min worth of playing.
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/5169/600mhzev3.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8...b500fsbwf3.jpg
System
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 ES - L710A438 G0
- Corsair Nautilus 500 3/8" ID
- Asus P5K Deluxe 0311 bios
- 128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI
- 2x1GB Crucial PC2-8500 Ballistix Tracer dual channel kit #1 in black dimm slots
- 74GB WD Raptor 8MB on SATA 2 port
- Pioneer DVR-08 Burner
- Sony FDD
- 1KW PCP&C SLI psu
- WinXP Pro SP2
Couldn't help myself and got a set or two of 2x1GB Crucial PC2-8500 Ballistix Tracer edition babies as well (photos later :) )
First set of Tracers easily do 651mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.45v and 630mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.20v and 621mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.10v for preliminary tests :)
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K..._validated.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K...4m32s094ms.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K..._bandwidth.png
nice Algeriano.. but image @1MB in size :eek:
Take a read of some tips at http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=2228 to reduce the screenshot image size ;) i.e. my above screenshot only 51.5KB in size :)
it is done ;)
PS : sorry for my bad english, i'm french :(
@eva2000 ...... hey, I am getting favorable results with the Ballistix Tracer 8500 finally now since they gave me a RMA on my board so my question is for day to day 24/7 is it advisable to run this ram at my current 950MHZ 4-3-3-10 2T @1:1
with 475 FSB with the Ram at 2.25V?
Thanks for helping I am new to the new Intel and have more to understand yet although its much easier to O.C vs AMD
With only2.05V
Super PI 1M @ 601 Mhz, strap 1333, boot bios
http://www.enregistrersous.com/image...0629210113.jpg
And with 2.15V
Strap 1333, boot bios, Super PI8M @ 601 Mhz
http://www.enregistrersous.com/image...0629210324.jpg
ah much better image sizes :D
24/7 i tend to keep around 2.1-2.2v with active fan cooling but should be fine
Was forced to remove the heatspreader on one of my 8500 Tracer modules as the heatspreader was installed incorrectly - off center to the left making it impossible for me to install in dimm slots.. looks like Micron D9GMH to me http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=149928
http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...crooked_03.jpg
No 8500 Tracer's in DK:( Hm, the i have to go with the regular Ballistix.
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Hey, guy's wheres that Voltage chart I saw for the Ballistix just yesterday in one of these threads? I have been looking but damned if I can find it!:confused:
Just picked up a pair yesterday and after testing i think i got unlucky this time. No where near as good as my Ocz apha1000vx2 chips. Need 2.3 for 600mhz stable. My alpha chips stable at 2.25vdimm 650mhz. I needed to pull spreaders off and chill them with my flex xlc water blocks to work at 2.3vdimm\600mhz. With normal spreaders the sticks got very hot and needed 2.4 vdimm at 600. I think its got something to do with those damn led's but what do i know?. Was fun testing them anyways.
you mean the one from my review?
http://eclipseoc.com/index.php?id=1,99,0,0,1,0
http://www.eclipseoc.com/image/memor...Tracer/vvt.png
Tanks bro:D
Will be getting my Tracers this Tuesday (should have gotten them last Thursday, but the package came in empty), and this thread has got me pretty psyched. Was kinda skeptical about the LED's...but judging from the picture they look pretty nice. Nice OC's as well. Hope to get similar results as all of you.
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When i started testing this second kit in a pair for dual channel I noticed another QA issue with the other module.. one side of the heatspreader's TIM wasn't making much contact with the ICs.
Tested the heatspreader module at default DDR2-1066Mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.1v first to make sure it worked. And you guessed it, stripped it bare naked as well :D
As you can see the TIM is partially lifted off the ICs.. I tried holding it together to see if it will stick but it lifts off again by itself. So bye bye heatspreader :wavey:
http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...tact_01_tn.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...tact_02_tn.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...tact_04_tn.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...tact_07_tn.jpg
In the flesh Micron D9GMH based 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC2-8500 dual channel kit :)
http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...tact_09_tn.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...tact_10_tn.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...tact_11_tn.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...tact_12_tn.jpg
So talk about bad QA, one module hs off center to left can't install in dimm slot, and second module hs TIM not making full contact!
so did flex blocks oc the modules better than bare modules with a fan ?
System
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 ES - L710A438 G0
- Corsair Nautilus 500 3/8" ID
- Asus P5K Deluxe 0311 bios
- 128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI
- 2x 1GB Crucial PC2-8500 Ballistix Tracer naked modules - dual channel kit #2 in black dimm slot
- 74GB WD Raptor 8MB on SATA 2 port
- Pioneer DVR-08 Burner
- Sony FDD
- 1KW PCP&C SLI psu
- WinXP Pro SP2
Looks like bare naked Micron D9GMH from Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC2-8500 are running more than fine @625mhz 5-5-5-15 3-30-3-3-8 at 2.1v vdimm!
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K...5m07s922ms.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K...ndwidth_tn.png
PC2-10000 5-5-5-15 at 2.1v vdimm :D
Temp probe reading off ICs for Super Pi 32M run read idle = 28-32C and load = 32-35C with 92x38mm Sunon 120cfm fan on medium speed rheobus.
Really so the IC itself was shorter than the rest ? Might take a closer look to see if that was my case but i think mine was just the heatspreader was crooked
Looks like it's stable, maybe raised TRFC to 30 was the key? Given 2.2v is good enough for them to run at DDR2 1175 :)
Will confirm the result once again with Orthos by tomo, now I want to let it rest.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...0335Stable.jpg
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JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclocking: Manual
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Strap to Northbridge: 266
FSB Frequency: 470
PCI-E Frequency: 105
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1175
DRAM Command Rate: 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
RAS# Precharge: 4
RAS# Activate to Precharge: 7
TWR: 3
TRFC: 30
TWTR: 3
TRRD: 3
TRTP: 5
DRAM Static Read Control: Enable (Lower latency and greater Mem BW)
Transaction Booster: AUTO
Boost Level: (only displays when Transaction Booster is set to Disable or Enabled)
Clock Over-Charging Mode: AUTO
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Voltage: 1.4650
CPU Voltage Reference: x0.63
CPU Voltage Damper: Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.7
DRAM Voltage: 2.2
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.40
North Bridge Voltage: 1.55
North Bridge Voltage Reference: x0.67
South Bridge Voltage: 1.2
Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
C1E Suppport: Disabaled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabaled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabaled
CPU TM Function: Disabaled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
PECI: Enabled
USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support: Enabled (need to enable it to detect USB flash drives & Keyboard as well!)
yeah you may need substantially more vdimm for orthos stable with tRFC = 25 than 30 or 35 so loosening them has the same benefit for stability :)
Yeah this is the best pair i tested so far... others needed 2.15v for 625mhz 5-5-5-15 3-30-3-3-8 so better by 0.05v vdimm - maybe being naked with adequate cfm cooling helped ? :)
Still testing this 2nd kit which bare naked now, but I inspected the 3rd and final kit I have here and again another module in the pair isn't making full TIM contact with ICs but no where as bad as this 2nd kit's one module pictured here.
It seems one side of the module's LED controller (middle square chip) is slightly taller in height than the other side's middle square chip meaning the HS lifts slightly off the ICs in the middle on either side of the LED controller chip. The heatspreader on that side is clearly at a slight angle like the picture here but not as bad.
Solution: No stripping of heatspreader necessary ?
Instead of stripping this module's heatspreader going to try another method, grab one of those strong paper clips, 2 pieces of cardboard and trusty hair dryer.
Place one piece of cardboard on either side of heatspreader, use the paper clip to clamp both sides of the heatspreader using the cardboard as protective layer to prevent scratching on the heatspreader. Now using hair dryer to heat up the heatspreader while leaving the heatspreader clamped down to making contact with ICs.
I'm hoping this heat and clamp method will allow the heatspreader to bend back inward towards the ICs to allow better contact :)
End Verdict:
The clamp and heat method seems to have worked, the heatspreader's TIM has made firm and full contact on the ICs and seems to have stayed for now. Guess have to wait until I get around to testing the 3rd and final kit :)
Eva... On my P5k deluxe would booting at 500fsb and clocking up help the overclock of these sticks? In the past i have booted at 499 and clocked up in windows. This is my stable overclock with these sticks and a pic of my ghetto rig lol:D
if the strap change exists @500FSB with your P5K DX bios then yes it might help get higher mem frequency clock.. same reason why you can clock mem higher on 5:6 and 5:8 dividers as that is on 1333FSB strap compared with 4:5 and 2:3 on 1067FSB strap IIRC
But you'd loose performance so would be better at <499FSB :)
Thanx Eva I will try.:up:
Here's my Tracer 8500's. Set at 2.1v they seem to be rock solid. Still playing around with them, I havn't had time to max them out or play with timeings any more. Will post more later.
those seem to be consistent results with these dimms. I personally like this memory better than any I've ever purchased. They are voltage friendly and they take numerous timings very well. I've found that mine like cas5 better than anything else. When I get my p5k I'll be able to finally see what these can do.
Later
I got 668.5mhz on a suicide run. Can't get anything over 595 stable though :(
eva2000, do you suggest running these things naked with a nice fan blowing on them? Also, any way to monitor their temps in windows?
Unfortunately there's nothing to read out mem temp in windows afaik.
If you mobo has a sensor input or you have a fan controller with a sensor hookup then you could put a sensor on the ram module and get your temp readins that way.